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Charter Has Moved Millions of Customers To New -- And Often Higher -- Pricing (arstechnica.com)

After Charter closed the acquisitions of Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks in May 2016, it moved 30 percent of the customers it acquired onto new pricing plans, resulting in many people paying higher prices. "Before the merger, Charter had about 6.8 million customers; afterward, Charter had 25.4 million customers in 41 states and became the second-largest U.S. cable company after Comcast," reports Ars Technica. From the report: Charter came up with new prices and packages, and many customers saw their bills rise when their previous discounts expired and they were switched to non-promotional pricing. Now, 30 percent of the ex-TWC and ex-Bright House customers are paying different -- and often higher -- prices. Charter CEO Thomas Rutledge provided the update in an earnings call last week (hat tip to FierceCable). According to a Seeking Alpha transcript, Rutledge said: "In June, we finished the rollout of our new pricing, packaging, and branding across our national footprint with the last launch of Spectrum in Hawaii. We now offer a simple, straightforward, high-value product using a consistent and uniform approach across our 50 million passings under one brand, Spectrum. The new product is succeeding with consumers across our footprint. In the second quarter, our customers and PSU [primary service unit] connects were higher year-over-year. And as of the end of the second quarter, 30 percent of Time Warner Cable and Bright House legacy customers were in our new pricing and packaging, up from 17 percent at the end of last quarter. In areas where we've had Spectrum in place for at least three quarters, 43 percent of our residential customers have Spectrum package products."

84 comments

  1. Degradation of the U.S. culture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    U.S. companies seem to be competing with each other to be more and more abusive.

    1. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by darkain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about internet access? Which other companies are available within these monopoly markets for them to switch to? And considering that basic internet access is a requirement for job applications nowadays, there is no serious way to simply "live without"

    2. Re: Degradation of the U.S. culture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most have. Too bad the cable companies usually control the best internet in town.

    3. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by Sparowl · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure "competing" is not something they are interested in - hence the merging of companies.

    4. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure you can, with your obama phone. However for most who are in this situation they are already covered. Most providers have hardship plans with bare bones services that cost like $15-20 for those on most forms of public assistance.

    5. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So cancel. Television is not a necessity. You can live without it for a while. If enough people cancel, they will be forced to lower their prices.

      If you aren't willing to do that, then you deserve to pay more.

      Television? What the hell are you talking about?

      We're talking about the cost of cable internet here. Nobody gives a shit about television.

    6. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

      We did.. before TWC got bought out.

    7. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, my cousin's internet price went DOWN with the switch from Time-Warner to Spectrum, and he got a huge speed boost too. He was paying $70/month for 25Mbps from Time Warner. When he called Spectrum, he found they were offering 100Mbps for just $65. And that's not promotional pricing either. That's the regular rate.

      Of course, I still get to brag that I have fiber. So I can still rub my speed in his face. But he's getting a lot closer to where I'm at, and for $5 less than what he was paying. No complaints about Charter/Spectrum from him!

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    8. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I dunno. If the previous discounts were set to expire, I don't see what the big deal is.

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    9. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      That was my thought. When the discounts and promotional rates expire, what do you expect?

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    10. Re:Degradation of the U.S. culture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expect there to be competition. So that when my 'deal' expires I can see what the competition is up to, and maybe switch over to their system for a better 'deal'. That's how it's supposed to work.

  2. That's crazy talk by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Funny

    everybody knows mergers increase innovation which lowers pricing while improving service. Charter told me so before they merged.

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    1. Re:That's crazy talk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking liberal cuck. I hate you.

  3. Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Charter came up with new prices and packages, and many customers saw their bills rise when their previous discounts expired and they were switched to non-promotional pricing.

    Clearly, the nature of cable conglomerates is chaotic evil, but it seems likely on the order of tomorrow's sunrise the same customers would've been subjected to rate increases at their original cable providers when their promotional discounts expired.

    We're talking about an industry where the only sure method of getting discount rates involves switching providers. No one gets great rates staying with their current provider.

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    1. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking about an industry where the only sure method of getting discount rates involves switching providers. No one gets great rates staying with their current provider.

      This is what I do too. Fortunately I have two worthwhile options where I live so that I can do this and always be a new customer. I'm not aware of any other industry which rewards its customers for being not loyal. But hey, I don't make the rules, I just play by them (usually).

    2. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

      >> the nature of cable conglomerates is chaotic evil

      It's lawful evil. As in:

      Step 1: change the law to be evil
      Step 2: be evil, but within the constraints of the new law
      Step 3: PRRRROFFFFIT!

    3. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The story itself is misleading. I wasn't in any promotional period and I saw my pricing raise by 40%. Even worse, when I called to find out the reason for it, I was on hold for 3 hours then gave up. Never called back. I just pay a shitton more and there's really nothing I can do about it since there isn't any other providers.

    4. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The story itself is misleading. I wasn't in any promotional period and I saw my pricing raise by 40%. Even worse, when I called to find out the reason for it, I was on hold for 3 hours then gave up. Never called back. I just pay a shitton more and there's really nothing I can do about it since there isn't any other providers.

      I've had charter for years, and my bill only went from $59.99 to $64.99, so nowhere near 40%. more like 9%.

      Anyway, it's getting expensive enough that I'm considering the smaller internet provider in town, even if it's slower, since I don't really care that much, as long as it's 30Mb or so.

    5. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were probably in a TWC or BHN promo plan, many people were and did not even know it. Keep in mind charters more expensive pricing is itself a promo. Read the fine print on the adverts they carpet bomb everyone with weekly in the mail, or their website. Get ready to bend over and grab your ankles in a year.

      Copied from https://www.spectrum.com/

      Complete offer, savings and restriction details:

      1 Savings claim based on free DVR service on one box or discounted 2-4 boxes to $9.99 for year 1; standard rates apply after year 1; Triple Play required. TV: Equipment required and is extra; DVR receiver required for DVR service and is extra.

      ^ Limited time offer; subject to change; new customers only; Triple Play required. Bundle price for TV Select, Internet, and Voice is $89.97/mo. for year 1; standard rates apply after year 1. Free DVR service for 1 DVR is for year 1; standard rates apply after year 1. TV: Equipment required and is extra; channel and HD programming availability based on level of service. INTERNET: Available Internet speeds may vary by address; no additional charge for modem. VOICE: Taxes and fees included in price. Other equipment, install, taxes, fees & surcharges may apply. Services not available in all areas. Restrictions apply. Enter your address to determine availability.

        To qualify for the contract buyout program, a customer must order and install a qualifying Triple Play or limited Double Play promotion; offers not available in all areas. Offer available to qualifying customers only who have no outstanding obligations to Charter. Check amount will be determined by the early termination fee on the final bill from the previous provider, not to exceed $500. For contract buyout qualifications, go to Spectrum.com/buyout.

      * View all customer disclosures here.

    6. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wrong. TWC routinely gave out promotional deals over and over to keep customers in areas where there is competition (e.g. FiOS).

      but go ahead and blather about things you know nothing about.

    7. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Actually, when you call to cancel, most customer retention departments will renew those offers.

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    8. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Actually, when you call to cancel, most customer retention departments will renew those offers.

      Speaking of "Retention", does anyone here have a good story to share about what happened when trying not to simply "cut the cord" on Spectrum, but rather to simply go from Cable TV (formerly Brighthouse) + High-Speed Internet (formerly RoadRunner) to simply High-Speed Internet (what Spectrum now calls a Tier 1 Customer)?

      I I go to the Spectrum site and put in my Address, it won't give me an online answer for Internet Only (their basic 60 Mbps service would do me just fine); it says "Call your local Spectrum office" (where they can play "retention" games with promotional pricing/bundling, threats of stealing my dog, etc.). So I would just like some "ammo" to lay down the law with on Internet-Only pricing. They can stuff their $160/mo they are sucking down for "Well, nothing on that's worth watching tonight, EITHER!", and their "All Infomercials after midnight".

      If DirecTV Now can give me 90% of the "cable" channels I want to watch for $35/mo (and I just got an email that they just added REELZ) non-promotional pricing (which is actually $10/mo for me because I am an ATT wireless "unlimited" customer), then why can't Spectrum do the same thing?

      Seriously. Most of the "HD" channels on a typical CableTV carrier like Spectrum are ACTUALLY VOD Streaming sources (which your cable box/DVR nicely makes LOOK like "channels"); so, from Spectrum's POV, why should it cost more than a service like DirecTV Now?

    9. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      If DirecTV Now can give me 90% of the "cable" channels I want to watch for $35/mo (and I just got an email that they just added REELZ) non-promotional pricing (which is actually $10/mo for me because I am an ATT wireless "unlimited" customer), then why can't Spectrum do the same thing?

      Because DirecTV Now is not paying your ISP fees or maintaining the wire to your house. Because DirecTV Now is not paying the local broadcast fees because it does not carry the local broadcast channels (my area can get Fox from a local station -- so there is one broadcast fee, not six or more). Spectrum has a lot of infrastructure to maintain while DirecTV Now uses stuff maintained by others, and to whom you pay for that maintenance.

      Seriously. Most of the "HD" channels on a typical CableTV carrier like Spectrum are ACTUALLY VOD Streaming sources (which your cable box/DVR nicely makes LOOK like "channels");

      Not on Comcast. I don't know what Spectrum does but I suspect it is no different. Making every channel a streaming VOD means you cannot do a channel scan on any tuner to see what channels are valid, which pretty much eliminates all third party products, including things that use CableCARDs.

      Even then, the cable carrier has to maintain the wire to your house; DirecTV Now has nothing.

    10. Re:Wellll, this is a wee bit misleading... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      If DirecTV Now can give me 90% of the "cable" channels I want to watch for $35/mo (and I just got an email that they just added REELZ) non-promotional pricing (which is actually $10/mo for me because I am an ATT wireless "unlimited" customer), then why can't Spectrum do the same thing?

      Because DirecTV Now is not paying your ISP fees or maintaining the wire to your house. Because DirecTV Now is not paying the local broadcast fees because it does not carry the local broadcast channels (my area can get Fox from a local station -- so there is one broadcast fee, not six or more). Spectrum has a lot of infrastructure to maintain while DirecTV Now uses stuff maintained by others, and to whom you pay for that maintenance.

      Seriously. Most of the "HD" channels on a typical CableTV carrier like Spectrum are ACTUALLY VOD Streaming sources (which your cable box/DVR nicely makes LOOK like "channels");

      Not on Comcast. I don't know what Spectrum does but I suspect it is no different. Making every channel a streaming VOD means you cannot do a channel scan on any tuner to see what channels are valid, which pretty much eliminates all third party products, including things that use CableCARDs.

      Even then, the cable carrier has to maintain the wire to your house; DirecTV Now has nothing.

      My local DirecTV Now feed passes two local channels (ABC and Fox). But I Understand your point. Spectrum has 5 local Channels (plus a few of their sub channels) to deal with.

      As far as maintenance goes, TFB. Spectrum didn't do the initial build out; that was at LEAST TWO corporate sales ago. Spectrum didn't even do the upgrade to Digital; that was at LEAST ONE corporate sale ago, too. So as I see it, Spectrum has no more overhead than DirecTV Now does. DirecTV Now has servers and other IT infrastructure, bandwidth, network (channel) licensing fees, etc.

      I know that those cable channels I spoke of are not what we think of as VOD; but they are in some way presented (or tapped-into) by magic in your carrier-provided cable box/DVR, in a way that is closer to streaming than to classic "frequency division multiplexing" although "tuners" are still part of the system. But they don't actually have a dedicated frequency-band for each and every "channel" your cable box can "tune".

  4. deja vu by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Charter came up with new prices and packages, and many customers saw their bills rise when their previous discounts expired

    So, just like Comcast, then.

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  5. Fuck Charter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a miserable company to work for. I worked for one of the companies that got bought up. Let me tell you how much the corporate culture changed. Way too stuffy and corporate like. And horrible policies, talk about regressing corp culture 20-30 years.

    I rode it out, took my severance payout and glad I am no longer there. Feel sorry for the coworkers that actually accepted packages to stay. though of what I witnessed most of those that accepted packages to stay were those with no marketable skills and didn't want to brave the job market. So basically you're left with a company of low skilled workers, everyone else bailed.

  6. Get a retention discount! by dex22 · · Score: 1

    Simple. Call and cancel service. They'll put you through to the retention department. That department offers the best discounts. I cut my $120 cable bill to $70 that way.

    1. Re:Get a retention discount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I complained I had to cut my speed from 300mb to 100mb to keep the same pricing.

    2. Re:Get a retention discount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that Charter essentially closed the old TWC retention depts and prohibited the long standing practice in TWC from giving out such retention discounts.

      When did you cut your bill from $120 to $70 and was this with Charter? For the same service?

    3. Re:Get a retention discount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Charter? They would rather see customers go than give any discounts. As Tommy boy called it TWC and BHN were running a turkish bazzar where customers could haggle over prices. He set away to clean that up. Now you cant make any changes to your account without getting roped into one of their newer higher priced packages that provide fewer services than the legacy TWC and BHN packages provided.

    4. Re:Get a retention discount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind charter's more expensive with fewer services offered new plans are themselves promotional pricing. Get ready for more outrage in less than a year when people get smacked with charter's full pricing when the 1st of the people to go on these plans exit their promos.

      And if charter sticks with their plans, there will be no calling in to a CSR to haggle your way into a new promo.

    5. Re:Get a retention discount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is against Charter's policy to offer discounts or new promotions to retain customers or to allow 'promo hopping" and it is rare to be offered anything, especially anything substantial. They shut the door on that years ago. Charter's has officially and fully embraced "fuck the current customer". If you threaten to cancel Charter you better be prepared to follow through because they WILL let you walk. Either go without for 30 days after paying your last bill to requalify as a 'new' customer, or switch to a different provider for their own promo deal, then switch back when that one is over. Rinse and repeat.

    6. Re:Get a retention discount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple. Call and cancel service. They'll put you through to the retention department. That department offers the best discounts. I cut my $120 cable bill to $70 that way.

      Charter is not TWC (or BHN). While there are always certain exceptions, Charter does not offer (and has been very vocal about stating that the practice would not continue) of retention discounts (and yes, there are still ways to try to beat the system, but those ways are more complex, and require additional hoop jumping).

      The rack rate (when promos expire) of TWC (and BHN) tends to be higher than the Spectrum rack rate for equivalent services, so many people will choose to move to Spectrum plans when their promo expires, but both are higher than the promo rates that many TWC (and BHN) customers were used to obtaining year after year after year.

    7. Re:Get a retention discount! by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      If the price is fair, I prefer that to AT&T / Xfinity's requirement that you call every 6 months to get a new special if you want a reasonable price.

  7. Why the outrage? by Nutria · · Score: 2

    many customers saw their bills rise when their previous discounts expired and they were switched to non-promotional pricing.

    FFS, the whole point of promotional discounts is that your bill increases when the period is up!

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    1. Re:Why the outrage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference that is happening now, under TWC and BHN when your promotional offer ran out you could call in, make a few changes to your account and get locked into a new promo discount, you could wash rinse repeat this yearly and perpetually stay under promo pricing so long as you wanted to call in and haggle with a CSR.

      Charter has ended this practice, and their newer more expensive packages themselves are promotional pricing, get ready for even more complains in less than a year when these promos run out and people are smacked with the real charter pricing.

    2. Re:Why the outrage? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      AT&T isn't in your market? (Not only that, but the threat of me just *dropping* TV service has been enough for me to get a discount.)

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    3. Re:Why the outrage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only options in my market are Charter, DSL (a fucking joke, checked my address a few months ago 7mbit down/1mbit up is the fastest) or a cellular hotspot with it's bandwidth caps.

    4. Re:Why the outrage? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      This is why you rip off Charter in a different way - double connections for the price of one.

      Because their techs are too stupid, go one month with the low-tier internet + phone package. They give you a crappy large modem. Next month, just upgrade the internet to maximum speed. They'll have to send another tech to your place 'because that old phone modem can't handle the speed of the full connection,' so they install another modem JUST FOR THE INTERNET. It has no phone plugs on it. You'd expect a new phone modem.

      Well, you still the have phone service - so they never bother with deprovisioning your phone modem. It's still hooked up.

      But guess what? That phone modem DOES handle their maximum speed. Now you're sitting here with two IP addresses, and two (back then) 100mbit/20mbit lines for the price of one + phone service.

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  8. The Invisible Hand by Sparowl · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Invisible Hand of the market clearly lead to this. People must've been paying too little for the services provided, so the market has self corrected and brought everyone in line. If Charter is charging too much, then people will move to a competing product, right?

    What? There is no competition? Impossible. Everyone knows that the market encourages competition and companies to work for the good of the people, not to collude in order to increase their own bottom line.

    Barriers to entry? Listen, son, if you want to get ahead in the world, you need to pull yourself up by your boot straps, overcome the paid for barriers that other ISPs have put in place, and create a multi-million dollar infrastructure by hand. Go ahead, all you need is guts and determination!

    (rides away on piles of money) AMERICAN DREAM!

    1. Re:The Invisible Hand by rogoshen1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Business logic:

      Government acting in the interest of consumers: "That's anti-competitive, anti-freemarket. A free market is what made this country great."
      Government acting in the interest of business: *crickets* ... "A free market is what made this country great, and we're job creators. We're simply acting on our fiduciary duty to maximize value for our share-holders"

      The double talk coming from these types is positively awe inspiring. On one hand decrying government intervention while simultaneously engaging in every conceivable manner of rent-seeking.

    2. Re:The Invisible Hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way to ensure that a market remains competitive is to ensure that none of the contenders ever win.

      Or to smack them back down once they have won.

      There is no other way.

    3. Re:The Invisible Hand by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      From the horse's mouth:

      The new product is succeeding with consumers across our footprint

      They are literally saying they have their boot on your necks.

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  9. And requiring cable boxes by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://www.wdrb.com/story/3605...


    There was a steady stream of traffic going into and out of the Spectrum cable office in St. Matthews Thursday afternoon. Sekou Davis had his arms full of electronic equipment, including a phone modem and a DVR box. He was turning it all in, and cutting the cord after more than 20 years with cable.

    “For one, the cost of the service, and, two, just the quality,” said Davis.

    Davis says Spectrum's latest change is the last straw. The company is encrypting, or scrambling, its signal in Louisville. It means customers must now have cable boxes for every TV set. They can no long plug cable-ready TV sets directly into a cable outlet.

    To be fair, the boxes will be free, at least for a while.


    Spectrum is offering customers two free boxes for two years, and five free years for customers on Medicaid. After that, it will cost $5.99 a month for each box.

    Well isn't that generous of them.

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    1. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cable companies are doing this everywhere. They are dropping the old analog channels they used to carry to make more bandwidth available for high speed internet and other digital services. Yes many operators were still carrying analog. The old analog channels are grossly inefficient use of the bandwidth available on the coax.

    2. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Nutria · · Score: 1

      The company is encrypting, or scrambling, its signal in Louisville. It means customers must now have cable boxes for every TV set. They can no long plug cable-ready TV sets directly into a cable outlet.

      Cox did this a few years ago, and there's been no sign of a monthly fee.

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    3. Re:And requiring cable boxes by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Are you saying newish cable ready TVs can't decode digital signals? OTA has been digital for a long while now and my six year old Samsung has no probems with it.

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    4. Re:And requiring cable boxes by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Comcast did this in my area some years ago. Initially, the additional DTA boxes were free, but at some point, Comcast started charging for them.

      Keep a close eye on your bill. The charges will eventually show up, just about the time that Cox believes people have forgotten about any promises to provide the adapters at no cost.

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    5. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likely not, they're probably also streaming higher compression codecs than the basic QAM tuners in TVs can handle.

    6. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying newish cable ready TVs can't decode digital signals? OTA has been digital for a long while now and my six year old Samsung has no probems with it.

      This has been the case for years everywhere. I didn't realize there were still places with analog cable as an option.

      As for new TVs, no of course they can't decode the signal from the cable company. What the hell does OTA have to do with cable? They are literally opposite things.

    7. Re:And requiring cable boxes by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Forgive my ignorance then, I cut the cord over a decade ago and didn't realize things have gotten even worse when it comes to cable.

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    8. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Are you saying newish cable ready TVs can't decode digital signals? OTA has been digital

      OTA digital is ClearQAM, unencrypted. Comcast, for one, used to be ClearQAM as well, but switched to encrypted a few years ago here. The modern TV does fine with ClearQAM, with the obvious issues of poor signal resulting in really unviewable channels instead of snowy ones.

      When that change happened, I protested to the local office. I spoke to the technical manager. I asked him, if there is only one base level of digital service, why not leave the base level channels clear and either encrypt only the upper tiers or use filters which have been SOP for cable for decades. The guy told me that filters were not good enough to block digital signals -- which is absolute nonsense. It's not like anyone gets a snowy analog signal when a filter is marginal (and I didn't see any marginal filters in all the decades I've had cable), they get NOTHING.

    9. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      As for new TVs, no of course they can't decode the signal from the cable company.

      No, it isn't "of course". It is an economic decision of the cable company, not a technical one. The TV doesn't care if the signal is OTA or cable if it is ClearQAM.

      They are literally opposite things.

      Not when the technology is the same.

    10. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe there are some places in the world where you can receive more than one channel OTA, but out in the sticks in West Texas where I live, if you don't invest in a high quality antenna mounted in your attic, you are lucky to pull in one OTA channel. I don't have any neighbors or friends who have tried it, and I don't want to risk $300-400 on doing all that on the chance that I might be able to pull in the broadcast stations.

    11. Re:And requiring cable boxes by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Are you saying newish cable ready TVs can't decode digital signals? OTA has been digital for a long while now and my six year old Samsung has no probems with it.

      This has been the case for years everywhere. I didn't realize there were still places with analog cable as an option.

      As for new TVs, no of course they can't decode the signal from the cable company. What the hell does OTA have to do with cable? They are literally opposite things.

      Back around 2004, when I first switched my BrightHouse service over to "HD", the tech was having trouble with one of the new cable-boxes. One of the troubleshooting steps he performed was tuning to a particular local channel, which he explained was still analog. That was when I found out that all cable channels were not necessarily distributed the same way.

      The second time I got an addendum to the first lesson was when I was looking for a third-party DVR, and found that, without a "secret decoder ring" card that I had to RENT from the Cable Company, none of these DVRs could "tune" a lot of the (can't remember the name of the standard) essentially video-on-demand "channels". Mind you, this was NOT part of the cable company's VOD service; but rather, it seems they just save overall cable bandwidth on lot of the HD channels by actually Streaming them to your cable box.

      So, there is actually a lot more black magic going on in that cable "tuner" box/DVR than meets the eye...

    12. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      When Comcast in this area (and all of this is specific to this area) added digital service, they added a set of ClearQAM channels above the old analog, and encrypted for premium services.

      When they went "digital", they dumped almost all of the analog channels except for two. One was channel 2 which displayed a large text screen saying "you need to get digital service", and whatever it was CSPAN was on. It turns out that CSPAN is/was the go-to channel that all cable boxes turn to when there is an EAS alert. Something like that.

      Then they started encrypting it all.

      The CableCard is not what handles the video on demand. It does decrypt and tune it, but the handshaking takes place in the set top box. I have an HD Homerun and it cannot handle the VOD.

      And no, standard distributed cable channels are not streamed in the normal sense of that word. They are broadcast. They show up in a fixed place as a fixed data stream all the time. How else can a tuner know what channels are available to it, or be able to do a channel scan for valid channels?

      The VOD WAS a special case stream, with the data being sent as one of one or more data streams in a normal ClearQAM channel that was otherwise unused. That was what made things fun. You could rescan for channels every so often and find the VOD channels and watch what other people were watching. I remember one night watch a particular racy part of some movie that kept rewinding and playing over and over.

    13. Re:And requiring cable boxes by Alpha232 · · Score: 1

      Filters require a tech/truck roll to remove, you would loose the "self install" option and would see the return of setup/install fees for most services/changes.

  10. At Least Their Business Service is Cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have a number of former TimeoutWarner and DimHouse cable connections as backups. Spectrum's no-contract non-promotional business prices are About 1/3 of TWs, for twice the bandwidth. Our former BH line dropped about 30% and the bandwidth doubled. They're also not enforcing any contracts we previously had.

    I was starting to feel like we had a new, good, cable company on the scene. At least they haven't given up screwing general consumers.

  11. Telstra does this too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You can't cancel Foxtel. You need to move to another bundle first"

  12. destroying the competition by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Merging is done to destroy competition where regulatory constraints prevent easy entry into a business. Municipalities are often the guilty party on preventing internet and cable competition - e.g. "can't cross our right of way", etc.

  13. I would ban Ecrypted QAM. by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

    If I had the Congress of the US to back me, I would pass a law proactively banning the use of Encrypted QAM.

    Beyond that, everyone who can Cut the cord should.

    1. Re:I would ban Ecrypted QAM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not even encrypted QAM, providers are switching to more efficient codecs just like everyone else on the internet. Sucks having a TV locked into a 2 decade old technology don't it? Keep that in mind when you buy your next "smart TV" Just give me a damn monitor, ill put all the tuners and smarts into external upgradable boxes.

    2. Re:I would ban Ecrypted QAM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had the Congress of the US to back me, I would pass a law proactively banning the use of Encrypted QAM.

      Beyond that, everyone who can Cut the cord should.

      Sure... cut the cord. I did. Sort of.

      Guess what my options are for internet here? Cable (50Mb) or DSL (1.5Mb)
      So, yeah.. still paying Comcast, just not for TV service.

      I don't think they care. The cost of internet + Netflix is higher than the cost of Internet + TV from Comcast... If I am willing to play games with the "customer retention department" people every 6-12 months to keep getting the "introductory pricing" it is actually cheaper to have Comcast internet+TV+phone than it is to just get internet.

    3. Re:I would ban Ecrypted QAM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're probably getting better value for your internet + netflix anyways. Who the fuck watches linear channels anymore? and their on demand is lacking compared to netflix, and anything good that is on demand is usually an extra rental fee on top.

      Netflix you get all you can eat for one monthly fee.

    4. Re: I would ban Ecrypted QAM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      College football season. *Mic drop*

    5. Re: I would ban Ecrypted QAM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then you can keep your cable. The rest of us that don't care, don't feel like subsidizing your sports coverage. Enjoy your higher rates as more of us who could care less cut the cord.

  14. Well duh! by kenh · · Score: 1

    many customers saw their bills rise when their previous discounts expired and they were switched to non-promotional pricing.

    Quick show of hands, who expected their rates to go DOWN when discounts and promotions ended?!?!

    What a huge non-story.

    "My two year discount rate ended after just 24 months - those bastards!"

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    Ken
    1. Re:Well duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that charters new HIGHER prices are also a promo for rolling into one of their Spectrum Pricing Plan packages. In most cases the charter plans are lacking compared to their legacy TWC and BHN plans, fewer channels, lower bandwidth all for an amazing HIGHER promo cost!

      Read the fine print in their adverts, all pricing is for the 1st year only. Next year bend over and grab your ankles, they're gona fuck you HARD!

      And when your promo with charters new plans expire, don't think you're going be able to call in to get back into a new promo rate. They have killed that idea, they would rather see you walk than give you a discount. So you had better be prepared to walk, cancel your service for 30+ days to qualify as a new customer when/if you come back to get promo pricing again.

    2. Re:Well duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a huge non-story.

      The issue is that TWC (and BHN) customers were so used to getting their discounts retained (as they were used to) by calling in and asking for a (new) discount and are now surprised to find that the practice no longer exists. After a while, customers start to feel entitled, and will be up in arms over having to pay retail. Those that do not want to pay Charter's retail rates should cancel service. That way everyone wins.

  15. Municipalities are often the guilty party - NOT by Geodesy99 · · Score: 1
    Municipalities have been granting easements and other uses of government property for several hundred years in this country for private enterprise for all sorts purposes - it is a very well defined process, and almost always the denial is because of some common sense reason - like denying others use, potential for damage, costs for removal after sun setting, environment, but most important there is some not so obvious cost shifting to the public to the private sector - essentially a subsidy.

    If you want some detail into those factor, look through the comments in "COMMENTS OF SMART COMMUNITIES SITING COALITION" ( comprised of individual localities, local government associations, and local agencies responsible for roadway safety which collectively represent more than 1,800 communities and nearly 30 million residents in 10 states. ) at https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1...

    These deals with micro-cell deployment, but it is pretty typical>

    "Notably, the primary cause of delays in application processing continues to be the failure of applicants to submit complete applications. For example, as a routine matter, Mobilitie has submitted cookie cutter proposals for 100-120 foot towers in the public rights-of-way, without doing any meaningful field engineering, or making any significant effort to comply with state, federal or local requirements – imposing significant cost on communities."

    I've seen companies turn essentially blank pieces of paper - obviously attempting to throw it over the fence so they can claim 'progress' and meet some deadline - then gripe because they are being 'held up'.

  16. codey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    plugens fer cody get you just-ice. break back. if that fails you can literally cut chords. Every blox or so.

    Desert the infrastructure. cull the pol

    fix life for others. Without permission.

  17. Degradation of the argument. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well that and it really requires no more to fill out an application than it took to post to this website. People really like to exaggerate but for the majority of what the internet is used for not a lot of resources are required.

  18. Get a "I NEED YOU" discount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe people need to readjust their broadband expectations and go with wireless (whatever form is available) to satellite, or even DSL if it's available. But nothing will change as long as people keep telling themselves they NEED any particular cable company. Simple as that.

    1. Re:Get a "I NEED YOU" discount! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Or maybe people need to readjust their broadband expectations and go with wireless (whatever form is available) to satellite, or even DSL if it's available. But nothing will change as long as people keep telling themselves they NEED any particular cable company. Simple as that.

      Because of the way my city is wired, DSL is essentially a joke here. Satellite Internet? Yeahrightsure. And the only way for me to "choose" a "particular cable company" in my city is to MOVE. And that would move me from a Spectrum-monopolized area to a... wait for it... COMCAST-monopolized area! Think I'll continue to take my chances with Spectrum!

      Yeah, it's my fault alright... Gimmeabreak!

  19. The Invisible Foot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're simply acting on our fiduciary duty to maximize value for our share-holders

    A common deception; I've even heard the argument used in slashdot, and other places, commentary. But I have one book that blow holes in that "fiduciary responsibility" argument.

    The Shareholder Value Myth : How Putting Shareholders First Harms Investors, Corporations, and the Public by Lynn Stout.

  20. I got a free modem by ChadSmith4920 · · Score: 1

    My internet bill went up $5 but there is no longer a modem rental fee. SCORE!!

  21. Cut the cord by Coldeagle · · Score: 1

    I ran into the same issue that is outlined here, went ahead and changed my plan only to get significantly degraded. Most of the shows I wanted to watch didn't record. They said "Oh it's your equipment! Let us roll a truck to you (for 49.99) and we'll fix that problem right away!" It turns out I'm not the only person experiencing the issue. My Grandmother had the same exact issue, and only after Spectrum took over. Wow, I wonder what it could be? Instead of arguing with them, I went ahead and just dumped everything but internet. Signed up for PS Vue and now I'm paying $50 less than I was with 95% of the channels I wanted (the other 5% I can get through on demand apps from those providers). Screw 'em! I just wish there were more high speed options in my area, then I would cut them completely. I have the option of Spectrum (300 Mbps) or 1 Mbps DSL (for almost $50 a month to boot!). Hopefully wireless spectrum internet will come through sooner than later.

  22. Others are doing the same thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast is deeply involved in similar tactics. Add to that, "contracts" -- I mean, who ever heard of a "contract" on a regulated utility? They get you enrolled, then it's pretty much shit after that -- especially in regions where they enjoy a monopoly.

  23. Oligopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

  24. Well, I'm a happy customer by chudnall · · Score: 1

    Since these things all tend to be an orgy of piling on the awful cable companies, I thought I'd share my very good experience. I was stuck on TWC's pretty mediocre 20 mb internet for $80/mo, with no realistic alternatives, unless you count centurylink crappy 10mb dsl (ha!). After the merger, I was offered the spectrum plan for $20 *less*, and I am regularly getting 70 mb downstream. The difference is night and day. This is for internet only, no phone or TV, so I can't speak to that part, However, the wording of the summary implies a lot that may not be happening. "Many people paying higher prices." Were they forced to pay higher prices? Maybe the new packages offered more so they were willing to pay more. I didn't have to switch plans, it just would have been stupid not to. Also how many is "many people"? Another (just as correct) way to say "many" is to say "some". Presumably there might also be "many people", like me, who are paying less. New formula = some win, some lose. Am I saying that there isn't gouging, or that the service might be even better? No, I think if we actually had any real competition, I'd probably be getting a lot more for a lot less. But as it stands, compared to what I had before, I have nothing to complain about.

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  25. Paying more after promotion expired? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That never happens anywhere! Ever!