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FBI Tracked 'Fake News' Believed To Be From Russia On Election Day (cnn.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNN: The FBI monitored social media on Election Day last year in an effort to track a suspected Russian disinformation campaign utilizing "fake news," CNN has learned. In the months leading up to Election Day, Twitter and Facebook were the feeding grounds for viral "news" stories floating conspiracies and hoaxes, many aimed at spreading negative false claims about Hillary Clinton. On Election Day, dozens of agents and analysts huddled at a command center arrayed with large monitoring screens at the FBI headquarters in Washington watching for security threats, according to multiple sources. That included analysts monitoring cyber threats, after months of mounting Russian intrusions targeting every part of the US political system, from political parties to policy think-tanks to state election systems. On this day, there was also a group of FBI cyber and counterintelligence analysts and investigators watching social media. FBI analysts had identified social media user accounts behind stories, some based overseas, and the suspicion was that at least some were part of a Russian disinformation campaign, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.
OK. What did they find? Or is the answer to that question (maybe even the question itself!) "fake news"?
targetting the Trump campaign too?
Y'know the stuff that was played out here on slashdot as well? Or are we only running this as a propaganda campaign that anything and everything attacking Trump was true but everything attacking Hillary was Russian fake news?
Exactly which points of disinformation were being spread that are provably false? (No, obvious lunacy like being a satanic blood drinking whatever don't count.)
What makes them say it was a campaign of influence rather than clickbait for ads?
...many aimed at spreading negative false claims about Hillary Clinton.
Trump and Clinton were arguably the two most hated presidential candidates to run in US presidential election history. They didn't need the "help" of fake news to have material on which to attack each other as there was no shortage of negative true information about them.
The key difference was that every little thing Trump did was held up by the media (and the Republican establishment) as a harbinger of the end of modern civilization if Trump were to get elected.
On the other hand, every thing that Hillary did (and there was lots: evading federal records laws, flipping on "don't ask don't tell", flipping on gay marriage, colluding with the DNC on debate prep, colluding with the DNC on subverting Sanders' campaign, the highly questionable financial arrangements of the Clinton foundation, etc.) was largely treated as non-news by the same media.
So, in summary, there was absolutely no shortage of negative news on Clinton, it was just getting ignored by the news media.
Another wonderful use for scrapebox. Or did that end with the panda update...
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CNN is talking about fake news again.
oh the irony!
"His name was James Damore."
As consumers of news, how can we be sure that this news story isn't an example of "fake news"?
The article says
The FBI declined to comment for this story.
And it repeatedly includes stuff like
Sources say
and
according to multiple sources
and
according to two sources
and (once again!)
according to multiple sources
The lack of concrete details and information leaves me very uneasy. It makes it very difficult, if not impossible, to independently verify what is being claimed.
Should I play it safe and assume that this article may just be "fake news" until proven otherwise?
CNN and the DNC have been claiming that Russia was responsible for John Podesta's falling for a phishing scam, which gave hackers access to his account which contained information that lead to further DNC hacks. How can the Russians be responsible for the foolishness of a single American? It's time for real facts, not the ongoing BS, which is repeated enough that it becomes circular and self sustaining.
`Russia` is a distraction.
The real evils are not even indicted.
Where is Hillary? Loretta? Dick? Herbert? George? The list goes on!
If they're less bad than we know they will not be jailed.
The real problems are way closer to home.
The real problems get no policy.
And the empire declines even further.
At some point the arabs will stop using JUST dollars for oil.
At some point the many, MANY military bases around the world will have to be evacuated.
Those are the signs that the rest of the world recognises the TRUE situation.
Why else is the goldprice so manipulated? To make the dollar look good.
Same for the inflation, jobless claims, etc.
I still read it for the tech stuff, but the obvious shilling for globalist with well selected climate change propaganda and continuing the completely proven as bullshit Russian narrative is not only spreading fake news, it's not even technology fake news.
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That sums up this whole witch hunt.
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What you're describing really boils down to average Americans in general getting sick and tired of the leftism that has been forced on them recently, especially over the last decade or so.
These average Americans are tired of the hypocrisy and contradiction that leftists continually exhibit.
Average Americans are tired of seeing huge numbers of illegal aliens flow over America's borders uninhibited, and they're especially tired of the economic distortions these illegal aliens bring. Average Americans are tired of the crime these illegal aliens commit, beyond their original crime of entering the USA illegally. Average Americans are disgusted by how leftists think all of this is acceptable, if not to be encouraged.
Average Americans are tired of constantly hearing about transsexuals from the media and from leftists, despite transsexuals making up far less than 1% of the population.
Average Americans are tired of being mislabeled as some kind of "-ist" or "-phobic" by leftists just because they don't want to constantly parrot the tenets of leftist ideologies.
Average Americans are tired of seeing armed and violent criminals portrayed as "innocent" by leftists when these criminals physically attack police officers, and the police need to respond with reasonable deadly force in self defense.
Average Americans are tired of seeing classic movies being remade by leftists just so that the cast can be more "inclusive" or "diverse", even when doing so makes absolutely no sense given the story being told. It isn't just limited to movies, as well. Many other aspects of American culture and history are being revised by leftists.
Average Americans are tired of being told by leftists that these average Americans need to be more "inclusive" and "tolerant", yet leftists rabidly attack anyone who doesn't agree with leftist ideology.
Average Americans are tired of the censorship they fall victim to on various social media sites, perpetrated by leftists.
Average Americans are tired of seeing academia become less about real education and real research, and more about leftist indoctrination. Average Americans are tired of seeing the STEM subjects and the classics forced to becoming a tier below questionable leftist subjects like "Women's Studies", "Indigenous Studies", and "Sociology".
Average Americans are tired of being threatened with carbon taxes or other environmentalism-driven restrictions by leftist "environmentalists" who generate massive amounts of greenhouse gases by living in large mansions, driving SUVs, and flying their private jets around the world to give speeches about how generating greenhouse gas emissions is bad!
Average Americans are tired of the crocodile tears so often exhibited by leftists. Today's "cause" is forgotten by tomorrow afternoon. Sometimes tomorrow afternoon's cause actually contradicts with today's cause!
All of this hypocrisy, contradiction and outright disrespect results in these average Americans voting for the political right. This is happening at the local level. This is happening at the state level. This is happening at the federal level. There is a widespread rejection of leftism by a huge portion of the American population.
And instead of recognizing that leftism is being rejected because it's so ideologically hypocritical and toxic to most average Americans, we see the leftists going on and on about "Russians". It's absurd.
WHEN DID THIS FUCKING START??
I'm still getting my $5 million from Nigeria, right?
I'm a politician. I am an elected member of the State Level Executive Committee of the Texas Libertarian Party. I don't come to Slashdot for politics.
I absolutely hate all the fake news about Donald Trump.
Trump isn't a Libertarian - he's far from supporting my views, but I find myself defending and supporting him constantly. Why? BECAUSE OF ALL THE FAKE CRAP ATTACKING HIM.
I'm a crusader against bullshit. I really, really disliked Obama, but there were occasions when rumors circulated on the right about him that weren't true. I defended him in those instances. With Trump it's nearly a full time job.
The whole Russian thing is completely made up. There is some justifiable Russian narrative, but only when applied to the Hilary camp and uranium dealings - which the news isn't talking about. The Don Jr. thing was a frame job where nothing really happened. Yes he met with that lawyer who was here without a visa because she was let in specifically for this purpose, but they're not exploring that publicly. Every president in my lifetime has talked to Russian/Soviet leaders. I can remember as far back as Reagan doing it - I was born during the Carter administration.
I am personally against a wall and am for open borders with a catch - we have to shut off our freebie system first. Fine you can come here, but the rest of us aren't going to support you. Donald Trump is pro imminent domain, I'm very much against that. He hasn't pulled our troops out of foreign conflicts yet, I have a problem with that. The Donald is not my man, please quit making me defend him. By attacking him with bullshit constantly you're drowning out legitimate criticism that needs to be addressed. Notice nobody talks about the imminent domain stuff or the troops where they don't belong part because of Russia, Russia, Russia!
Russia isn't even our enemy! Once the Soviet Union broke up they've been sort of neutral and someone we've done some dealings with. They're like that guy we've worked with on a couple of projects but he doesn't come to our house for Thanksgiving or anything.
There needs to be a collective head-ass removal in this nation where reality is concerned.
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And please don't forget that this whole thing revolves around proving russia attacked the democrats by exposing DNC corruption. The DNC is responsible for their demise, and for Trump, all wikileaks did was expose their corruption to the public.
Both Clinton and the DNC are even less popular than Trump.
I'm not American so maybe I've missed something despite my best attempts at following the events in the US closely but I am under the impression that there are several investigations underway into the Russia thing. So how come it's possible for people to claim anything to be proven, one way or the other, when the guys looking into it (Muller, the senate committee, etc) have not come out with anything yet as they're still gathering data?
I've always considered /. to be a place of (mostly) rational, science-oriented people who understand the importance and value of due process and following the evidence, but yet people from both the left and the right alike are proclaiming that they know the end result of the investigation(s) before it's even remotely completed. What the fuck is up with this shit?
The presence of this kind of rhetoric to me is worrisome because it reeks of 3rd world pseudo-Orwellian BS. People in their own little bubbles with insane amounts of confirmation bias absorbing blog posts masquerading as news and becoming convinced that they know the truth ahead of time, so that when the investigation(s) finally conclude, no matter the result, half of the people will be up and arms and shouting 'Conspiracy, conspiracy, I know the result is false, I read so at [insert news/blog outlet of choice] several months ago, clearly the establishment/'deep state' is [out to frame the innocent president/corrupt and in the back pocket of a corrupt president and lying to protect him]".
Democratic systems require an informed voter base to function. Once that is gone, once the public can be spoon fed tailor made propaganda and manipulated with relative ease into believing nearly anything without hard evidence, then the entire concept of accountability goes out the window, and truth stops mattering, by which point you might just as well elect a king and be done with it.
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I don't get it: why does anyone care. Foreign government has an opinion, published propaganda pieces supporting it. Opinion happens to be about another government's elections.
Tell me the US government doesn't do this. Tell me just about any country on earth doesn't do this. This isn't news, it isn't even interesting. It's just the continuing progressive drumbeat, as they try to not let their "fake news" Russia stories die.
tl;dr: Hillary didn't need any help losing the election.
Also: For anyone who hasn't figured out why Trump won, and why those of us from flyover country have decided to stop humoring the progressives, read this rant. If you're from flyover country, you will nod knowingly. If you're not, maybe it will give you some insight into the foundations of the alt-right.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
How did political biased news get on slashdot. This is a complete waste. I'm so sick of reading this type of news and it infiltrated the technology news source I use. Whoever submitted this pulled a biased news source of CNN for an anti Trump article. What a great job publishing an article. The posts are getting worse. There was an article just the other day about a billboard hacked that was just a conspiracy and it seemed the writer of the summary didn't even read the article as the edit time of the article was prior to the publishing time of the slashdot story and it listed as it was just an ad campaign if you continued reading. These articles should be flagged or removed.
Nope, just corrupt and unrepresentative.
Political parties have a right to set their own standards. But both parties have a flawed primary system, and so does the presidential election itself. Not to mention the various legislative seats, which are grossly imbalanced.
I'm coming to the realization that the Democrats are actually corrupt(*).
I was reading about the DOJ slush fund(**) and it struck me just how deep and insidious the corruption has been in this country.
This is paired with the IRS selecting conservative charities for intense scrutiny, 11 California counties have more registered voters than adults, all the leaks and outright disobeying of executive orders from the WH.
And let us not forget after the election, leftists pleaded with the EC delegates to be faithless, then pleaded with the supreme court to invalidate the results, then pleaded with the U.S. military to step in and prevent the inauguration (wtf?), leaked secret and sensitive information - not to expose crimes, but for political slander, and rioted for weeks. They thought all this was OK, if it somehow got them to their goals. For example, Hillary made no statements condemning the riots, and most of the left blamed the rioting on Trump.
All this *in addition* to the Sanders thing, and getting special treatment in the press and for the debates, blocking reasonable voter registration, and suppressing the military vote.
There's a sub-conversation on the net that holds that the Democratic party *won't survive* once all the corruption has been rooted out. The Democratic ideals are so far from what people want that they require all the extra boost they get from a tilted playing field.
I'm not sure I believe that bit about the Democratic party not surviving, but after reading about the DOJ thing, and knowing the level of effort we're putting into the Russia probe while ignoring some seemingly obvious evidence on the Democratic side, it makes me wonder...
(*) Whether the Republicans are also corrupt, or have a different level of corruption, is still an open question.
(**) DOJ plea-bargains where the offending company pays its fine to charity, but the DOJ only chooses charities that promote left-wing causes.
What percentage of CNN stories are fake? Do you have some examples of them consistently publishing fake news? Seems more like you've just bought into Trump's "don't trust anyone" rhetoric.
Here I sit without mod points. Thank you for posting this.
Trump isn't a Libertarian - he's far from supporting my views, but I find myself defending and supporting him constantly. Why? BECAUSE OF ALL THE FAKE CRAP ATTACKING HIM.
That's not a reason to support Trump. It's a reason to support the truth. You're not inherently defending Trump by attacking fake news.
On the other hand...
The whole Russian thing is completely made up.
That's a stupid thing to say, and you are a stupid person for saying it. Trump and his relatives and his cabinet have lied at every turn about their various ties to and meetings with Russia, and not by accident, either. They couldn't have been accidents. If they have nothing to hide, why are they lying so much?
Russia isn't even our enemy!
Russia is not our enemy on paper, which is why what Trump has done is not treason. You have to be aiding the enemy, and Russia is (on paper) our ally. We are the left and right fists of the UNSC. But Russia is not our friend. Russia is a competitor.
They're like that guy we've worked with on a couple of projects but he doesn't come to our house for Thanksgiving or anything.
And he's got a penchant for poisoning people who disagree with him, and he's fond of spreading a lot of rhetoric about what assholes we are. You wouldn't actually invite him to dinner, at least, not if your kids were going to be home. And you'd lock up your valuables.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
(*) Whether the Republicans are also corrupt, or have a different level of corruption, is still an open question.
Whether the Republicans are also corrupt is only a question an idiot would have to ask at this point. If they have a different level of corruption, it is not apparently significantly different, so that question is not already answered, merely irrelevant.
Your first response is to name calling.
It's interesting, because I've always held that the Republicans were cold, selfish Scrooge-like people who don't care about others.
Coming through the election, I've just now realized how poorly based that opinion is. When I mentally gauge the amount of hate and loathing from the left to come up with a "compensation" metric, and if I apply this metric to some of the widely-held beliefs that I've been told over the years, many of them evaporate.
Republicans are more charitable than Democrats, for instance.
Apply your own metric to well-known memes about the Republican party, and what do you come up with?
And then look up some actual statistics. You may be surprised at the results.
I remember election night. I knew who was going to win, but I turned on the computer, poured myself a drink, opened the political sites, turned on news radio, and waited for the fait accompli bloodbath to commence. Everyone knew who was going to win. Because we'd been told in poll after poll after poll.
Similarly with Brexit. We knew it was going to fail, because poll after poll after poll said so.
Very suspicious. That's the real fake news.
If the Russia story is made up, why did Flynn lie? And why did Sessions lie? And why did Trump Jr. lie? And why did Jared lie? All about meeting with Russians?
You'd think if it was such a fake story that they wouldn't keep lying about it. They'd just tell the truth.
I don't know the percentage but they have been blathering on and on and it's getting tiring.
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-- j0uSt
US fake news is not a result of solely government action. It's primarily a result of heavily biased private media. The US government does not have an official news organ (PBS is, to some degree). US fake news is primarily a result of private media and business interests aligning with a political party, which are wholly private organizations (which many people often forget and the illusion of being public entities is pushed heavily by the parties).
Other country's fake news comes straight from the government, as a result of their governments having official and unofficial news organs.
I think the net result is the same: a successfully misinformed population.
The mod you were looking for is "flamebait". When I give my actual opinion, that is not trolling, and if you think it was, you do not know what trolling is.
This comment is "offtopic", not a troll or flamebait. HTH, HAND!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Because that's when right wing trolls flood the comments section of such stories with their drek and moderate all other posts into oblivion.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
It seems a fair question: the US has a long history of interference in the democratic processes and/or governments of literally DOZENS of other countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change). So why are people so upset if a foreign power plays that game on their own soil?
It's only a 100% chance once the ballots have been counted. Up until election day (or at least a few days before), Clinton still had the better odds, but she did not enjoy perfect odds. You do understand the nature of probability, right?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Apparently congress is never popular. Presidents can be, but usually it doesn't last.
What she did was unwise but in the end not worth prosecuting.
Someday, when Russia really *does* do something, nobody is going to believe the reports about it.
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And please don't forget that this whole thing revolves around proving russia attacked the democrats by exposing DNC corruption. The DNC is responsible for their demise, and for Trump, all wikileaks did was expose their corruption to the public.
You're right, and you represent the typical view of /. readers. But if you read the comments on YahooNews, (judging by "like" ratio) less than half agree with you. The general public believes what they are told to believe.
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So a big fat 0%. Nice.
Originally, people talked about fake news like "Clinton has brain tumor and only 6 months to live" or "Birmingham in the UK is a 'no-go zone. Something that's been made up and has no basis in reality.
That's quite a bit different than being mean to Trump or a false story that was retracted and the people responsible were held accountable.
Now I won't say they have the highest quality stories, but they're a fare cry from the absolute lies that you'll see from right-wing sources.
She'll be too sick, Chelsea is a non-starter.
I think they nominate Warren and she loses. A sane VP though, for 'balance'. Either way, they pivot left. Exactly wrong.
That's all predicated on them (Ds and Rs) not being triggered and dumping the dirt on each other. If that happens, we've got a half dozen parties fighting it out.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
The allegation is that Russia colluded with Trump to influence the election.
Russia has tried to influence every American election since the end of WWI, and vice versa. You might have heard of: Voice of America, Pravda, Communist Party USA etc etc etc.
Ds like to charge 1, prove 2, then act smug. Like they've proven something in dispute.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming
Trump won, move on!
In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
It's easy to spot Soros funded narrative control, especially on Slashdot when you can just AC instead of creating a bunch of sock-puppets.
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.... got really low.
Every single government uses propaganda against other countries, even friendly countries (BBC publishes sneaky anti French articles on a regular basis)
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
You're wrong. The Russians are already here. And the guy in the White House is laundering money for them.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Never implied otherwise. You're just attempting to discredit everything I say based on a perception you're attempting to weave based on a stretched implication. Was your reply funded or a genuine AC?
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And what the Obama administration did in Isreal, that doesn't count, right?
Murphy was an optimist
The big "fake news" event that CNN ablsolutely RAN with when they should have known better was the Trump "pee party with prostitutes" bullshit that they should have attempted to vet. They didn't. They believed what they wanted to believe, even though they ought to have known it was just too awesome to be true.
Most news organizations reported on the dossier (though many left out the contents). Much of it has been revealed as true, but I haven't heard anything about it in months
It's not like they were going on about how Clinton was responsible for a terrorist attack for years, even after she was cleared of wrong doing.
Sure they have the occasional story that's not well sourced, but it's nothing compared to the right wing "news" organizations that push out lies.
Sure. But pretending it's still the cold war or blaming him for literally everything bad that happens in the world or relentlessly isolating him internationally isn't helping anything.
It's not the Cold War anymore? So certain of that, are you?