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Intel's 8th-Gen 'Coffee Lake' Core CPUs Will Be Revealed During the Great American Eclipse (pcworld.com)
Brad Chacos, writing for PCWorld: Intel's response to AMD's disruptive Ryzen processors is soon to get its time in the sun. Well, sort of. On Tuesday, Intel announced plans to livestream the launch of its 8th-generation "Coffee Lake" processors on August 21 -- the same day that the great American solar eclipse casts its shadow across the United States. Intel's throwing shade. Eighth-gen Coffee Lake chips will be built using a revised version of Intel's 14nm process technology for an unprecedented fourth time, following in the footsteps of Broadwell, Skylake, and Kaby Lake architectures. You'll probably also need a new motherboard to use them. But most notably, Intel claims 8th-gen Core chips will be up to 30 percent faster than today's Kaby Lake processors in some applications. Intel chips haven't seen a performance leap like that in years. Beyond that, little is officially known about Coffee Lake, though the churning internet rumor mill thinks that Intel will up the core counts this time around to combat the threat of Ryzen.
This CPU will deliver phenomenal performance but only during solar eclipses.
"Coffee Lake" barely beat out "Man Bear Pig"
Given that just yesterday, Intel announced a product release for September 25th isn't it a little early to talk about what comes after? We haven't had the chance to see how their current compares to AMD's offering which isn't due until later this month.
Guess Intel is afraid of something. Maybe AMD has given them some much needed competition.
Eighth-gen Coffee Lake chips will be built using a revised version of Intel's 14nm process technology for an unprecedented fourth time
Intel is switching to complete 14nm FinFET here. The reason is that some of the competing fabs that stayed with FinFET are now manufacturing 10nm FinFET while Intel spent 3 years now trying to make 10nm Tri-Gates economical and have failed miserably. The Tri-Gate lithography is just too expensive: Too many steps, and the yields too poor.
When Intel beat the world to 14nm it didnt matter so much that Tri-Gate's were not as economical as FinFET because Intel beat the world there by a big margin and didnt have to compete. Now they not only have to complete against 14nm FinFET but also 10nm FinFET and it wont be long until 7nm FinFET is in production by at least the companies that skipped 10nm on purpose (they are not the same fab companies as the ones producing 10nm FinFET's today)
Companies that beat Intel to 10nm (so far):
Samsung, TSMC
Companies that absolutely will beat Intel to 7nm:
Global Foundries, TSMC, Samsung. I predict that this is the order that it will happen in. GloFlo skipped 10nm on purpose to be the first to 7nm.
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During all the hype about Ryzen I kept telling people that I imagine Intel has something sitting on the shelf they'll bring out now. They just didn't have a reason to until challenged.
Surely people didn't think their designers were just sitting on their hands while they were milking the the current lines?
Good to see some competition heating up again though..
Intel's 8th-Gen 'Coffee Lake' Core CPUs Will Be Revealed During the Great American Eclipse
Quick! While nobody's looking!
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Has there ever been a new generation where the promised increase wasn't "up to 30%" ? Because I've never heard any other number used.
Also, am I the only one that finds Intel a wee bit histrionic this last month or so? They've been throwing everything they can (including the chairs) at the wall, but nothing seems to stick so far.
There's part of me that wonders whether Intel knows its offering is going to be underwhelming, and is therefore choosing to release it on a day when a lot of tech/science types will be somewhat distracted.
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They're only manufacturing the CPUs during solar eclipses to give them supernatural powers.
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I'm gonna buy 10 copies of that tabloid for my muthah
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Will there be a decaf version?
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Just to clarify, 10nm refers to the "process" and not the actual pitch of any of the resulting elements. Each fab implements it differently which results in different densities for the same "process". For example, the TSMC 10nm process has a gate pitch of 66nm and and interconnect of 44nm while Samsung's 68/51 respectively... the end result being that TSMC 10nm chips are denser than Samsung. Intel's is supposed to be 54/36 which is actually the same pitch as Samsung's proposed 8nm process and slightly smaller than TSMC's and Global Foundaries proposed 7nm processes (54/40 and 56/40). Intel's numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt, Samsung and TSMC both initially fudged their 10nm process pitches and Intel may be doing the same. However, the process size is slowly becoming a marketing gimmick.
That is so true.
As of late, Intel has been abusing the "up to" gimmick like there's no tomorrow.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
It isnt really AMD that is making Intel bend over.
Its Samsung and TSMC.
Intel was a generation ahead on process tech with AMD's last iteration.
Now Samsung has sold time to AMD for 14nm production (Ryzen)
and TSMC has sold time to AMD for 10nm production (PlayStation and XBOX console chips)
AMD has always had the better CPU design. What they didnt have was access to matching process tech for about 8 years or so.
AMD is not even close to Intels rival. The other fab companies are, and they are ahead and pulling away now.
"His name was James Damore."
Once in a lifetime for people in the path. Lord I ain't traveling for that shit.
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... because their claims can't stand the light of day.
My understanding is this eclipse should be blocking a good deal of the sun all over the continental US. So no matter where you are, you're going to have a pretty damn good show. Go buy your eclipse viewing glasses.
Fuck glasses. I just wait until the eclipse happens to look at it.
AMD is still contracted with GlobalFoundries (which was previously completely owned by AMD) for CPU production.
Hynix makes the HBM2 chips for their Vega GPUs.
Samsung and TSMC get overflow and second bidding.
AMD is targeting 7nm with GloFo for 2018 on a "performance" node (the Zen architecture is on the "low power" node). If this pans out, late 2018 and early 2019 will be very interesting.
Further, Intel doesn't earn money by leasing its manufacturing out to others (I believe they actually do some of this now, but it's a drop in the bucket). Intel makes money by cutting out the middle man (the 3rd party fab) and selling their chips at high prices, keeping all of the profit.
What's happening now is AMD is coming out with many-core chips that scale perfectly. Intel can't make many-core chips without sacrificing clock speed and throttling to shit. AMD is still at a significant disadvantage when it comes to single threaded performance. But for most people the performance is more than adequate, the price is great, and the multi threaded performance is amazing. You also get the stability of an AMD platform (no need to change motherboards and sockets every 6 weeks), and you don't get the "fuck you"s that Intel loves to dish out (restrictive number of PCIe lanes, heat spreaders with paste instead of solder, anti-overclocking behavior and lockouts, etc.).
They've even doubled down on the "up to" for clock speeds.
There's a base clock, TurboBoost 2.0 clock, and a TurboBoost 3.0 clock.
To be fair, AMD does the same thing now, I believe, with the base clock, all core turbo clock, and max, single core turbo clock.
I ask because I can't think of any other reason why you'd intentionally introduce a product at a moment when it's guaranteed that almost nobody will be paying attention.
And I'm taking vacation days to go down to the Kentucky/Illinois border to photograph the eclipse.
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New socket but no added pci-e or faster DMI?
Will Coffee Lake-X also be 2 ram channels and only 16 pci-e as well?
Intel has long sold spare fab capacity - Reticon relied on Intel. The problem was, if you didn't have a long term contract guaranteeing production of your chip, and Intel's requirements increased, you were screwed.
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Only Windows 10, not Windows 7.
Linux kernels 3+ are affected AFAICT, but I can't reproduce the problem on 2.6.39 on my Slackware box.
Can't trigger it in my Hackintosh but it hits FreeBSD.
That's not a hardware problem, that's an OS problem, specifically with newer SMT handling code.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
To boot, it's only Ryzen, not EPYC or Threadripper. HotHardware says a kernel fix is coming. Yea, sounds like software problems to me.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
It's almost as if Moore's law has slowed down. Tick-tock-tock-tock...
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Covfefe lake processors have only the best cores. Believe me, it's true. And they're fast. They'll drain the process pool for you so quick, you've never seen so quick. No CPU respects threads like Covfefe processors do, it's unpresidented: it grabs them by the stack frame, programs let you do that, you know, when you're a Covfefe multicore CPU. Howe many cores? I'll keep you in suspense. Do Covfefe CPUs support hyperthreading? Yeah, I guess so.
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That is false sir. There is a Ryzen bug but it only effects HIGH workloads, something average users don't do. The Bug is being investigated and will be repaired. FYI.
"It was a dark day when Coffee Lake entered the world."
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