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Maybe Americans Don't Need Fast Home Internet Service, FCC Suggests (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader shares an excerpt from a report via Ars Technica: Americans might not need a fast home Internet connection, the Federal Communications Commission suggests in a new document. Instead, mobile Internet via a smartphone might be all people need. The suggestion comes in the FCC's annual inquiry into broadband availability. Section 706 of the Telecommunications Act requires the FCC to determine whether broadband (or more formally, "advanced telecommunications capability") is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. If the FCC finds that broadband isn't being deployed quickly enough to everyone, it is required by law to "take immediate action to accelerate deployment of such capability by removing barriers to infrastructure investment and by promoting competition in the telecommunications market."

The FCC found during George W. Bush's presidency that fast Internet service was being deployed in a reasonable and timely fashion. But during the Obama administration, the FCC determined repeatedly that broadband isn't reaching Americans fast enough, pointing in particular to lagging deployment in rural areas. These analyses did not consider mobile broadband to be a full replacement for a home (or "fixed") Internet connection via cable, fiber, or some other technology. Last year, the FCC updated its analysis with a conclusion that Americans need home and mobile access. Because home Internet connections and smartphones have different capabilities and limitations, Americans should have access to both instead of just one or the other, the FCC concluded under then-Chairman Tom Wheeler.
The report goes on to add that with Republican Ajit Pai as chairman of the FCC, "the FCC seems poised to change that policy by declaring that mobile broadband with speeds of 10Mbps downstream and 1Mbps upstream is all one needs." Furthermore, "In doing so, the FCC could conclude that broadband is already being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion, and thus the organization would take fewer steps to promote deployment and competition."

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  1. There is a difference by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    Considering something adequate for federal policy is different than 'all people need'.

    1. Re:There is a difference by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

      When the FCC decides that mobile data speeds are all the bandwidth anyone needs, they're basically saying large parts of the United States are fine with the same level of bandwidth to be found in large portions of India.

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    2. Re:There is a difference by CAOgdin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is for the benefit of Verizon. The current FCC Chair is Ajit Pai, who took leave from his lawyer job at Verizon to mastermind this kind of crap (and, he's being the Net Neutrality destruction effort.

      We gotta VOTE the kinds of maniacs OUT that appoint these kinds of soulless minions to public office. More "TRUMPcare..." this time, for Internet standards and prices.

    3. Re:There is a difference by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The previous FCC guy was Tom Wheeler:

      President of the National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA)
      CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association (CTIA).

      ..and surprise, he supported dumping public money into both.

      The new FCC guy is Ajit V. Pai:

      Associate General Counsel at Verizon Communications Inc.

      ..and surprise, he supports dumping public money into cellular broadband but not any other kind of broadband.

      I dont understand why you suckers dont follow the money. We knew when I was growing up that the FCC was bad. Two generations later you guys got no clue at all, but we told you. We told you when net neutrality was spinning up that the FCC was bad and shoudn't be allowed to make internet policy. You were warned.

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    4. Re:There is a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll use my parents as an example as to why this FCC statement is nonsense.

      My parents live about 10 miles outside of a medium sized city in Texas (Waco).

      They have NO data over mobile. They barely have voice connections for cell phone.

      They can't get ANY decent broadband. They use HughesNet, which is essentially modem speeds of 25 years ago for upload, ping times in the seconds, and download speeds at about ISDN levels. That is the ONLY provider that serves their neighborhood (others have come out, checked signal strengths, and told them they're out of luck).

      My dad drives to a McDonald's about 5 miles away to use their pathetic internet connection (by most people's standards), and my Mom goes to a StarBucks in town to get a better internet connection when she wants to do anything other than read text email.

      Regardless of what the FCC currently says, they do NOT have acceptable internet.

      They aren't poor. The service just isn't available in rural Texas (or, I suspect, most rural parts of the USA). We are essentially a 3rd world country, w.r.t. internet, when you get 10 miles away from the city.

      Meanwhile, in Austin, we have Google Fiber.

    5. Re:There is a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not so much, they are also saying that mobile broadband, the MOST EXPENSIVE form of data access is a-ok, and that there is no need to support land-lines which provide lower cost, faster speeds, more reliability, etc... are not necessary

      Frankly this will lead to a scenario where families will have to decide if they want to spend their bandwidth supporting junior's school work or watching game of thrones

      it will hurt the poor more than the wealthy

    6. Re:There is a difference by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Acceptable to whom? The ISPs? You betcha. Their customers? Want to discuss it with them or do you enjoy retaining your body parts?

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    7. Re:There is a difference by un1nsp1red · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it will hurt the poor more than the wealthy

      Doesn't...everything?

    8. Re:There is a difference by deck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see the Anonymous Coward's from AT&T, Verizon, Spectrum and all of the other big ISPs and Internet backbone providers have joined in the fray to support the Governments endorsement of their price gouging oligarchy. Ajit Pai is a first generation descendant of people from the Indian sub-continent; anything good enough for the folks over there is more than good enough for the U.S.A. I don't like the man as he is a raging Corporatist. As to affordability, the major players in the game have an informal cabal to control access to real broadband on the internet. And pricks who say move to where there is decent bandwidth because the cabal is trying to more than maximize their profit is a Libertarian Jerk. And these big companies use the government to prevent new entrants in the market who would like to provide affordable internet.

    9. Re:There is a difference by Xicor · · Score: 2

      i have absolutely no problems with my mobile data speed( which is like 120mbit/s), my issues are A. latency(which is 100+ms) and B. my 2gigabyte data cap...i use between 600 and 1k per month.

    10. Re:There is a difference by rnturn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the point is that major ISPs who own copper (or fiber) and can offer much higher speeds might have an advantage over those--like Verizon--who only provide wireless. I thought Pai was a former Verizon lobbyist. This rule would be a boon to his former employer. Or, given the revolving door for lobbyists in DC, probable future re-employer.

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    11. Re:There is a difference by Wycliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Welll if fucktards waste their money on entertainment instead of food/education it is their problem. Government doesn't need to regulate access to entertainment. All they are trying to do is ensure access to essential services and what is needed to work. For the vast majority of jobs 10Mbps will be fine because you can easily VPN/RDP into your work computer have a teleconference etc.

      It's not about the speed. It's not even about the cost. Currently cell phone companies even though they now have unlimited plans, they cap tethering at 10G/month. A family could easily burn thru this on a home computer just doing school work especially if that school work included any educational videos. Having internet for only part of the month each month is not an acceptable solution. Until cellular hotspots have a much higher monthly cap, it is not a good alternative.

    12. Re:There is a difference by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Yes, but who would consider this "acceptable"? ISPs would gladly consider 300 baud modem dialup "broadband access", no doubt about that, but would you?

      What we're dealing with here is the classic "we can't reach the standard, so we lower the standard" bullshit. Actually, worse, we could, but it would certainly endanger the bottom line.

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    13. Re: There is a difference by Mattcelt · · Score: 2

      1) No one said it has to be a monopoly. The local municipality could build a fibre network and allow competing ISPs to lease bandwidth on it.

      2) You're comparing apples to oranges. Mobile broadband is orders of magnitude more expensive than terrestrial broadband. Unless the cost, reliability, and true speeds of mobile are brought in line, it is not an acceptable alternative.

    14. Re:There is a difference by Nikkos · · Score: 2

      At least Wheeler came around and took actions directly against the interests of his prior masters in supporting Title II

      The Obama-Appointed-Republican Pai is still firmly in their pocket. Don't forget that Pai was on the NCTA's legal team for the BrandX case which completely gutted the Telecom's open-access provisions, and he was against the increase of the definition of 'Broadband' from 4mbps to 25mbps just a couple years ago (because 4mbps was enough for a whole family...)

      Anyone who wants to see the twisted Orwellian bullshit this guy writes should read this: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_pub...

    15. Re:There is a difference by Shompol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With one exception, a progressive tax system, which hurts the wealthy more than the poor.

      I am yet to see a "hurt" wealthy person. Sales tax, lower tax on investment income, and some creative accounting more than compensate for the progressive tax system.

    16. Re:There is a difference by pnutjam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You used to seem like you had a brain...
      Did you recently move to a more rural area or is this just natural age related cognitive decline?

  2. Maybe by Ryanrule · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Americans don't need life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

  3. Moving goalposts by thegreatbob · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like my internet to move at least as fast as your goalposts, at all times, Pai.

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  4. Easy Fix by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you wanted to improve broadband speeds in the U.S. the best solution would be to make it illegal for states or cities to sell monopoly rights to various cable companies or other entities and to allow for cities to form their own municipal providers or networks if they want to.

    1. Re:Easy Fix by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The intent of the FCC policy in the article is not for improving speeds, but rather increasing access to broadband at at defined minimum speed.

      And that minimum speed is pitifully low by Western country standards, and now lowered even further, at prices people cannot afford.

      I have to attend video meetings from home, or drive in to work in the middle of the night. Not fun.
      I also bought a 4k TV. But speeds are too slow for me to get the 4k programs from Netflix and Amazon.

      I'm so proud to live in these United States of America, where we put a man on the moon almost fifty years ago, and now can't even lift a man to orbit. Where we still use checks, and phenomena like homeless people and disenfranchisement still exist. And where "up to" speeds of 10/1 Mbps are considered high speed.
      Anyone who hasn't figured out that USA is on the decline and has been overtaken by a great many countries already are blind.

    2. Re:Easy Fix by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      I dunno about that, seems we're ahead of most of the EU, and most of the rest of the world.... Sure, there are 12 others ahead of us, but that is a far cry from being "pitifully low by Western country standards".

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    3. Re:Easy Fix by Kjella · · Score: 3

      Actually the US is up to 10th place in the 2017 Q1 figures. It's unevenly distributed though, the US is 37th in >4 Mbps adoption. Even Russia got you beat in 33rd place. And I think that's reflected in a lot of the discussions here, either you got competition and it's great or you don't and it's terrible. By the way, Akamai's figures are way below the national statistic on what people have. Here in Norway I see it reports the average connection as 23.5 Mbps. According to the national statistics the mean broadband connection is now 59.5 Mbps, the median 31.5 Mbps. Here 44% of the population is now on fiber and increasing rapidly, though the normal speed tier is still 100-150 Mbps. Gigabit is still very rare, even though it's available for quite many.

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  5. Can't fall behind by Gabest · · Score: 2

    If the rest of the world has gigabit fiber at home, services will be optimized for that, and you will be excluded with your mobile plan.

    1. Re:Can't fall behind by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Khajiit Pai has services if you have coin.

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  6. I'll take it! by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I for one would take reliability over speed. Reliability is a big problem with our current 1.4 choices of providers.

  7. A case of changing the problem... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... to fit the lack of solution.

  8. It's easy to Make America Great Again! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just change the definition of "Great".

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  9. Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The FCC board members should be required by law to use the speed they deem "adequate" for others at home and at work.

  10. Re:"From each according to his ability by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Karl Marx you halfwit.

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  11. Cable company conspiracy? by qzzpjs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it possible that this is the cable companies lobbying the FCC to try and make sure people don't have the bandwidth to stream all their TV shows and cut the cord? The funny thing is, these cable companies are the same ones providing the Internet in most cases so they're not actually losing the customer.

  12. Why does the FCC hate the American people so much? by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Internet access in the US is already a joke compared with most other industrialized nations, and has been for years now.

    Not content with showing their contempt for the citizenry with their net neutrality positions, now they're arguing that the US should remain in the backwater as a matter of official policy?

    This is ridiculous. We already pay more for less than other nations, and the FCC wants us to pay even more for even less.

  13. Ajit Pai. . . by Idou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is a PoS human being. I mean that in the most apolitical way possible. He does not just suck at his job. . . he sucks at being an individual member of our species. The less he "tries" the better off the human race will be. . . Seriously, we would be better off just paying him off at this point to not do anything else (I guess we would have to pay him more than what he currently is no doubt collecting to screw us over. . .).

    "Ajit Pai" should now be the technical term for extremely painful and angry jock-itch between the upper thigh and testicles. . . We've got a real bad case of Ajit Pai. . . something really nasty. . .

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    1. Re: Ajit Pai. . . by WheezyJoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Ajit Pai" should now be the technical term for extremely painful and angry jock-itch between the upper thigh and testicles. . . .

      a lovely thought, truly, but the world also needs "Ajit Pai" as a term for a political ass-kisser who happily accepts a position of authority over something, only to deliberately cripple that thing... yet still say with a straight face in public that he's made it better.
      No conscience, no sense of irony, no imagination, no moral compass, no sense for potential, and fuck-well no thought for making life better for anyone other than himself. Not a fucking thing, so long as he's first in line to catch the scraps off whatever politician he's sucking up to.

      That's an Ajit-Pai. Easier to pronounce and less elitist than "sycophantic hypocrite", and with more meaning.

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  14. didn't I hear this from Bill? by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates, Seattle, 1981

    But hilarious comparison aside, these clowns are just trying to find a way to justify the universally-hated stance that we don't need net neutrality. Mr T's just in the business of appointing yes-men that either always agree with him or get replaced immediately, Pai's just one of the team - there's no point in trying to reason with that, you'll never get anywhere. Not with facts, not with evidence, not with contrary public opinion of any magnitude. These people haven't been hired to be experts or critical thinkers, they were hired to be yes-men, and none of your facts matter.

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  15. Re:AH NO !! by JohnFen · · Score: 3

    No! No! No! Everyone should contact them and encourage them not to do this.

    They have shown that couldn't give less of a shit what the people actually want. Telling them is pointless.

    At this point, the best option is to constantly raise hell with your congresscritter. Congress can absolutely force the FCC to do the right thing, no matter how much the FCC doesn't want to.

  16. Mobile network latency is terrible by doug141 · · Score: 2

    Three times worse than cable internet. Matters for gaming.

    1. Re:Mobile network latency is terrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Matters for video and voice as well.
      Good luck telecommuting when you're choppy as heck and way behind on the conversation.

  17. Re:Why does the FCC hate the American people so mu by DogDude · · Score: 4, Informative

    The FCC is run by a guy who works(ed?) for Verizon. That's why. Simple corruption.

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  18. What fantasyland do you live int, summary writer by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are suggesting people who use cellular for internet are getting lower speeds.

    Well obviously the ones whom this pertains to are the rural users, right? Since in larger cities you can just get a cable modem or DSL lines...

    Well I am here to tell you, for truly rural users where MAYBE they can get a DSL line, cellular internet is a godsend as it is 10-100x faster than what they can get today.

    My mother lives not that far outside a major city, but all she could get was DSL - a weak line that often capped out at something like 50k/sec.

    That's no typo, that's not MB/s, it was literally at times about like using a modem.

    It was so slow she could only use a very old Netflix client on the original AppleTV because modern players would just give up.

    I finally ended up getting her a T-Mobile hotspot, because it tests at her house my phone was getting 2 MB/s download. The actual hotspot does an even better job, getting more like 3-5 MB/s download and a respectable 2MB/s or so up.

    After just a month of testing both, she scrapped the DSL line (which cost about the same as the mobile hotspot per month).

    Now there is a downside - A fairly low data cap compared to most cable modem or DSL plans, she has about 10GB of data per month after which the connection slows. But that has been enough to stream all the Netflix she wants and do occasional device software updates.

    So do not claim you are some champion of speed by scoffing at cellular internet. For rural users I am now convinced it is the final solution rather than running expensive cable that will never be maintained well. Instead work on regulations for something like mandatorily higher data caps for those that truly live in remote locations and have to rely on cellular for internet,

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  19. Australia said this by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    Australia used this excuse back when they were number 38 in the global internet speeds. Where are they now? No one knows because Akamai only publish the top 50.

    Just came here to visit. Currently staying 4km from the city center of 2.5million people and downloading at the blazing speeds of 10mbps, only 1/5th of my *upload* speed back in Europe.

    Don't cut the cord yet Americans. Netflix doesn't do well at these speeds.

  20. Counter-argument by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    My mother lives about fifteen miles outside of a major city.

    I got her a wireless hotspot because it is 100x faster than her DSL line was. The DSL speed was not going to change anytime soon...

    Also, how do you know your parents cannot get cellular data than where they are? Have you tried a wireless hotspot? They offer better caption and transmission than smart phones do. There are even re-transmitters you can buy - expensive, but if you want faster speed...

    There is no question in my mind now rural users are better served by cellular internet. You can choose providers (unlike DSL or cable). You have faster speeds than any poorly maintained last mile out in the hinterlands will ever grant you. The ONLY downside is data caps but that is where the government could mandate relief if it so chose, and I would be in agreement with anyone living outside of a major metro area getting mandatory larger data caps for internet from mobile tethering or a hotspot (even if your plan has no limits they often have limits on allowed tethering data per month - usually the same as the hotspot maximums).

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  21. Methodology by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    My parents live about 10 miles outside of a medium sized city in Texas (Waco).

    They have NO data over mobile.

    ...have you tried a high-gain antenna aimed directly at a high-speed cell tower, and a hotspot, for the computers in the house?

    If you're ten miles from Waco, and if Waco has high speed cellular emanating from a tower that is local to the city, then you can definitely get it ten miles away.

    You'll need a directional high-gain antenna, and perhaps a little height above ground, but you can certainly do it if those two ifs are true.

    The antennas in cellphones are, in a word, hilariously poor performers. You can do considerably better fairly easily and inexpensively (plus, it's a one-time cost.)

    Having said that, likely you can also put up a high-gain wifi antenna as well and catch some decent wifi from... somewhere within line of sight. So higher is, as always with this kind of thing, better. This approach is questionable, ethically, unless you make an agreement with the wifi owner, and may be illegal as well. Technically, however, it's not a big deal. Hams do this kind of longish distance wifi with old cans and a wire probe connected to the wifi modem. Works great.

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  22. Re:Why does the FCC hate the American people so mu by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    Internet access in the US is already a joke compared with most other industrialized nations, and has been for years now.

    I see that claim a lot, but the data seems contrary, in that the US is ahead of most of the EU, and most of the rest of the world.

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  23. Fine... by Timothy2.0 · · Score: 2

    So, most customers don't *need* blazing fast speeds...The thing is, people *want* it, and in a capitalist society, you service the market. The problem is, the big ISPs have lobbied to crush any competition, meaning the market that desires blazing fast speed can't get it. They can't even *set it up* to offer it to others. THAT is the problem people have with the big ISPs.

  24. Pitch forks for sale! by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 2

    Get them while they're sharp!

  25. Twitter by golodh · · Score: 2

    Come to think of it, mobile internet access is adequate for Twitter. And that's all anyone should need, right? Case closed.