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Discord Bans Servers That Promote Nazi Ideology (theverge.com)
A popular video game chat service with over 25 million users announced today that it had shut down "a number of accounts" following violence instigated by white supremacists over the weekend. Discord, the service "which lets users chat with voice and text, was being used by proponents of Nazi ideology both before and after the attacks in Charlottesville, Virginia," reports The Verge. "We will continue to take action against Nazi ideology, and all forms of hate," the company said in a tweet. From the report: Discord declined to state how many servers had been affected, but said it included a mix of old accounts and accounts that were created over the weekend. Among the affected servers was one used by AltRight.com, a white nationalist news site. The site's homepage includes a prominent link to a Discord chat which is now broken. The company said it does not read private messages exchanged on its servers. Members of those groups reported messages in the chats for violating Discord's terms of service, the company said, and it took action. "When hatred like this violates our community standards we act swiftly to take servers down and ban individual users," the company said in a statement. "The public server linked to AltRight.com that violated those terms was shut down along with several other public groups and accounts fostering bad actors on Discord. We will continue to be aggressive to ensure that Discord exists for the community we set out to support -- gamers."
Here, let me help you with this. It's called False Equivalence: a logical fallacy in which two opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not.
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White nationalists: we have a clear message of nationalism and family unity.
Internet: nobody cared 70 years ago, and you're about to find out no one cares now.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Yeah, because when I think of peaceful revolutions, I think of the Nazis. It's not like they silenced dissent when they were in power, or that their entire ideology is based on the genocide of anyone deemed genetically inferior?
Does it still count as a peaceful revolution if you plan to commit terrible violence after you're in power?
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Much in the same way the Taliban destroyed statues if the Buddha, destruction of history should always be opposed, or should we tear down mt Rushmore?
No, not like that at all. They don't want to destroy the statue of Robert E. Lee, they just want to put it somewhere else, e.g., in a museum.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
An insane majority of us aren't.
So you condemn the violence that occurred, right? Because that's the problem in the Muslim world (I'm an ex-Muslim atheist, FYI).
Even reasonable, or secular, Muslims are often apologist towards violence or terrorism because a part of them feels it's justified by historical events (Western foreign policy, propping up dictators, toppling legitimate democratic governments, etc.). I have often told my Muslim friends that it was predominantly white Christians who fought and died to defeat the Nazi's, and so it must be Muslims who must unite to defeat Islamic Terrorism. The problem is internal to the group, so the group must fix it.
Muslim terrorists are terrorists. White nationalist terrorists are terrorists. Can we agree on that?
You describe yourself as a "white nationalist", and I'm not going to read into that in any way, it's just a label. All I'm asking is that if you are truly not violent, then don't turn a blind eye to those on "your side" who are.
Like with Islam, you may quickly find that if this minority becomes large enough (which can still be very small) it will usurp your movement, and you will find it very difficult to separate yourself from them. Similar to the secular/moderate Muslims, you may find your legitimate concerns or grievances being constantly overshadowed, and you will be unable to gain any real traction in achieving the change you want.
And, again paralleling Islamic Radicalization, you may find that you are their first target. The people who primarily suffer from Islamic Terrorism are other Muslims. I guarantee ISIS hates me more than they hate you, because I am an apostate. The first thing radicals do is eliminate the moderates within their own group.
Tread carefully, my fellow American. I mean that in all sincerity.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
I don't approve of either the Scalise shooter's ideological faction or the Charlotteville driver's faction but I don't remember this guilt by association purge being enacted all the times leftwing violence was committed.
There is condemnation, for sure. And sometimes the media is not quick enough to report on it. And I am also happy to have seen more and more Muslims taking direct action recently. It pains me very much to watch my culture and my history be maligned and vilified, and I do not take this position lightly.
I am not lying, there are many secular/moderate Muslims who are the way I describe. Some are within my own family, who are highly educated (often in Western countries), and highly secular. They call themselves Muslims, they participate in Ramadan (generally), but they drink alcohol, don't pray 5 times a day (or even at all), and generally are like most Christians in the west. Like me, if they actually thought about it, they would probably become atheists.
Often they will make arguments along the lines of "The US invasion of Iraq was an act of terrorism, and that was much worse than ." Again, very similar to the right pointing the finger at BLM or whoever in response to what happened in Charlotte. It's not that they are right or wrong, but rather that it doesn't matter. You can't deflect from your problems by pointing out others' problems.
The War in Iraq was wrong. 9/11 was wrong. What happened in Charlotte was wrong. Period. Moderates on all sides must condemn violence in all forms, without hesitation and without caveat.
Many people are familiar with the Bill Maher/Ben Affleck/Richard Dawkins argument on radical Islam. After that episode aired, I showed it to my very devout (but completely OK with my apostasy :D) friend, Mohamed. He is like a brother to me. At the end of the argument, the comparison was made between fundamentalist Christianity and Islam. Bill Maher said (paraphrasing) "One is herpes, and the other is cancer." That is a very strong statement, and my initial reaction was to take offense, even as an atheist.
After that, Mo and I discussed the issue at length. It was very heated, although we weren't arguing against each other, per-se. At the end, he looked at me, his eyes misty, and said "I'm mad. But I'm mad because they are right."
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Wow, if you think that Hitler's rise to power was peaceful, you need to seriously take a refresher in history. Ever heard of the brown shirts? Or the burning of the Reichstag?
Also, Communism is 'widely' accepted and tolerated? Where? Even in China they're Communist in name only.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.