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Discord Bans Servers That Promote Nazi Ideology (theverge.com)
A popular video game chat service with over 25 million users announced today that it had shut down "a number of accounts" following violence instigated by white supremacists over the weekend. Discord, the service "which lets users chat with voice and text, was being used by proponents of Nazi ideology both before and after the attacks in Charlottesville, Virginia," reports The Verge. "We will continue to take action against Nazi ideology, and all forms of hate," the company said in a tweet. From the report: Discord declined to state how many servers had been affected, but said it included a mix of old accounts and accounts that were created over the weekend. Among the affected servers was one used by AltRight.com, a white nationalist news site. The site's homepage includes a prominent link to a Discord chat which is now broken. The company said it does not read private messages exchanged on its servers. Members of those groups reported messages in the chats for violating Discord's terms of service, the company said, and it took action. "When hatred like this violates our community standards we act swiftly to take servers down and ban individual users," the company said in a statement. "The public server linked to AltRight.com that violated those terms was shut down along with several other public groups and accounts fostering bad actors on Discord. We will continue to be aggressive to ensure that Discord exists for the community we set out to support -- gamers."
They should have checked with some three-letter agencies first. They might have appreciated leaving them up a few days.
Didn't you read the article? They already closed your account.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Here, let me help you with this. It's called False Equivalence: a logical fallacy in which two opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not.
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White nationalists: we have a clear message of nationalism and family unity.
Internet: nobody cared 70 years ago, and you're about to find out no one cares now.
Good people go to bed earlier.
I'm no fan of these idiots, but any time we start stifling free expression I think we're on dangerous ground. I know Discord is a private company and it's their right to do it. However, I think there's value in letting it go. Let these fools demonstrate what fools they are. At least everyone will know who they are and what they're all about. Censoring them doesn't change their mind it just forces them underground.
I don't believe in karma, I just call it like I see it.
https://tox.chat/
Seem like a good option.
https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/...
Likely safe from "we know better than you" trash-people.
https://wire.com/en/
Maybe?
https://about.riot.im/
Maybe?
http://www.teamspeak.com/en/te...
Guess running your own server removes the issues.
https://ring.cx/
Seem like it could work.
https://www.evolvehq.com/welco...
That's the stuff which came with AMD drivers before? Likely not safe for your freedoms.
https://app.twitch.tv/ .. Anything owned by a company like that I guess want to act like the anti-white globalists and their followers in idiocy want so .. likely not a good option? Unless one already use it and they haven't fucked around yet.
Curse was direct competitor to Discord before. But Twitch
that you made an argument that white nationalists are not violent
An insane majority of us aren't.
If we aren't supposed to threat Muslims like genocidal terrorists then white nationalists definitely aren't either.
Now go fuck yourself.
Have you ever met a real Nazi? I have. And they aren't like in the movies. They are by and large likable people who love their country. I would never be a Nazi myself. For one thing, I'm not a joiner. But it is unfair to demonize them. They are just every day work-a-day Joes. Leave them alone.
Yes, they're people. We don't have to hate them to hold them accountable for what they support. We don't have to give them protection from being removed from a private company's service, either.
Reality is a slackware box running on a 386 tucked away in god's sock drawer.
Yes, yes, we get it. Everyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is a nazi. Now go play with your toys and let the rest of us discuss the issues rationally.
There's an elephant in the room that no one's talking about.
"Unite the right" was not afforded the protection of law during their rally.
Furthermore, law enforcement purposely directed the rally-goers into the antifa crowd, putting them in significant danger.
The Antifa crowd was flinging urine, poop, and one ralley-goer suffered permanent eye damage from having acid (!) thrown at him. The police were widely observed as doing nothing to stop the fighting.
Think about this for a minute: The government withdrew the protection of law from a group based on their political ideals. The state governor and the mayor simply decided not to enforce the law for an ideology they don't like.
This is a profoundly scary thought - that a political faction within the government can simply decide not to enforce the law in order to promote their narrative.
I'm going to have to side with the ACLU on this one. Hate speech is protected speech, and UniteTheRight should have been allowed to peaceably assemble.
Yeah, because when I think of peaceful revolutions, I think of the Nazis. It's not like they silenced dissent when they were in power, or that their entire ideology is based on the genocide of anyone deemed genetically inferior?
Does it still count as a peaceful revolution if you plan to commit terrible violence after you're in power?
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Much in the same way the Taliban destroyed statues if the Buddha, destruction of history should always be opposed, or should we tear down mt Rushmore?
No, not like that at all. They don't want to destroy the statue of Robert E. Lee, they just want to put it somewhere else, e.g., in a museum.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
An insane majority of us aren't.
So you condemn the violence that occurred, right? Because that's the problem in the Muslim world (I'm an ex-Muslim atheist, FYI).
Even reasonable, or secular, Muslims are often apologist towards violence or terrorism because a part of them feels it's justified by historical events (Western foreign policy, propping up dictators, toppling legitimate democratic governments, etc.). I have often told my Muslim friends that it was predominantly white Christians who fought and died to defeat the Nazi's, and so it must be Muslims who must unite to defeat Islamic Terrorism. The problem is internal to the group, so the group must fix it.
Muslim terrorists are terrorists. White nationalist terrorists are terrorists. Can we agree on that?
You describe yourself as a "white nationalist", and I'm not going to read into that in any way, it's just a label. All I'm asking is that if you are truly not violent, then don't turn a blind eye to those on "your side" who are.
Like with Islam, you may quickly find that if this minority becomes large enough (which can still be very small) it will usurp your movement, and you will find it very difficult to separate yourself from them. Similar to the secular/moderate Muslims, you may find your legitimate concerns or grievances being constantly overshadowed, and you will be unable to gain any real traction in achieving the change you want.
And, again paralleling Islamic Radicalization, you may find that you are their first target. The people who primarily suffer from Islamic Terrorism are other Muslims. I guarantee ISIS hates me more than they hate you, because I am an apostate. The first thing radicals do is eliminate the moderates within their own group.
Tread carefully, my fellow American. I mean that in all sincerity.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
You know those aren't just movies, right?
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if a service dropped a BLM or antifa channel.
Hilarious, it is left wing racists that have murdered far more people in the last 40 years, destroyed property, glorify living like a savage.
Do you just have a feeling that should be true because it fits neatly into your world view or do you have any type of evidence?
Then the worthless fucking neo-nazi pieces of shit should be loving it.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
I don't approve of either the Scalise shooter's ideological faction or the Charlotteville driver's faction but I don't remember this guilt by association purge being enacted all the times leftwing violence was committed.
I'm not sure I understand your point? There are other dictators who aren't Nazi's therefore...? Profit?
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
I am not arguing that there was no left wing terrorism, but in the modern context your statement is either vacuous or incorrect. The violence you are talking about was a generation ago, entirely different groups with different causes in a different political landscape. If you want to count 40 years back, we could include Timothy McVeigh on the right-wing side and he alone would outweigh all the deaths on the left. But I don't because, again, that was a different political climate.
Today, you are just being ignorant or stubborn if you honestly believe that there is more violence from the left than the right. I am not saying there is no violence, so don't throw that straw man at me, but to claim that the left is equal to the right (let alone vastly outweighs as you say) is just wrong.
Much in the same way the Taliban destroyed statues if the Buddha, destruction of history should always be opposed, or should we tear down mt Rushmore?
No, not like that at all. They don't want to destroy the statue of Robert E. Lee, they just want to put it somewhere else, e.g., in a museum.
Really? I guess that's why they broke off a chunk of it and spray painted it red?
There is condemnation, for sure. And sometimes the media is not quick enough to report on it. And I am also happy to have seen more and more Muslims taking direct action recently. It pains me very much to watch my culture and my history be maligned and vilified, and I do not take this position lightly.
I am not lying, there are many secular/moderate Muslims who are the way I describe. Some are within my own family, who are highly educated (often in Western countries), and highly secular. They call themselves Muslims, they participate in Ramadan (generally), but they drink alcohol, don't pray 5 times a day (or even at all), and generally are like most Christians in the west. Like me, if they actually thought about it, they would probably become atheists.
Often they will make arguments along the lines of "The US invasion of Iraq was an act of terrorism, and that was much worse than ." Again, very similar to the right pointing the finger at BLM or whoever in response to what happened in Charlotte. It's not that they are right or wrong, but rather that it doesn't matter. You can't deflect from your problems by pointing out others' problems.
The War in Iraq was wrong. 9/11 was wrong. What happened in Charlotte was wrong. Period. Moderates on all sides must condemn violence in all forms, without hesitation and without caveat.
Many people are familiar with the Bill Maher/Ben Affleck/Richard Dawkins argument on radical Islam. After that episode aired, I showed it to my very devout (but completely OK with my apostasy :D) friend, Mohamed. He is like a brother to me. At the end of the argument, the comparison was made between fundamentalist Christianity and Islam. Bill Maher said (paraphrasing) "One is herpes, and the other is cancer." That is a very strong statement, and my initial reaction was to take offense, even as an atheist.
After that, Mo and I discussed the issue at length. It was very heated, although we weren't arguing against each other, per-se. At the end, he looked at me, his eyes misty, and said "I'm mad. But I'm mad because they are right."
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Are you really trying to imply that a private company that chooses not to allow people they don't like to use their servers is in any way like fascism? Really?
Karma: Terrifying (mostly affected by atrocities you've committed)
Maybe it's more like not putting up a statue of Erwin Rommel in a Jewish neighborhood? You know, Lee didn't just fight on the losing side, he fought to enslave the ancestors of people who walk past that statue every day.
You mean after the Nazis ran protestors over, the remaining people who were still alive were a little pissed? My goodness.
Maybe you ought to work on your analogies.
If you don't want to be outed as a Nazi, don't march with Nazis. At least the KKK had enough wits to wear hoods. Not that they often had to worry, since in many places the local government was either sympathetic or out and out members.
Still, if you're a proud White Supremacist, how could you possibly have a problem with your family, your neighbors, your boss and coworkers knowing that you espouse those views? I mean, aren't you on the right side of history believing that America is white and working to get rid of all those brown skinned people who are perverting your precious bodily fluids? Why on earth would you have a problem with people identifying you?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
No, it proves you can make a strawman argument, and stick by it for a hundred words or so.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Wow, if you think that Hitler's rise to power was peaceful, you need to seriously take a refresher in history. Ever heard of the brown shirts? Or the burning of the Reichstag?
Also, Communism is 'widely' accepted and tolerated? Where? Even in China they're Communist in name only.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
That's the point the radical conservatives in this country don't get. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all came from the same religion to start with, and share a very large portion of their beliefs and teachings. Christianity and Islam have the addition of having their messiah return already, as apparently the Jewish messiah ain't quite got here yet. Thing is, the beliefs of conservative evangelicals in the US are more strongly based in the old testament than the new, and in many of the evangelical churches a lot of what they teach is exactly opposite of what Jesus taught.
I would have modded you up if i had the chance, because your question hits at the crux of many of the problems we're facing.... but you knew that already.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
It's hard out there for "white male discontent".
I'd say free speech is taking quite a beating.
Hard fascism and hard socialism are not the same, but both are authoritarian. This puts them in the lower part of a Nolan chart, the upper part of a Pace News chart, or the right side of a Pournelle chart.
It's not like they silenced dissent when they were in power, or that their entire ideology is based on the genocide of anyone deemed genetically inferior?
Does it still count as a peaceful revolution if you plan to commit terrible violence after you're in power?
If we are basing this on violence done in the name of revolutions , the communists and socialists have everyone else beat hands down. So using your logic they need to be shut down, their groups outlawed and demonstrations broken up.
You willing to call for outlawing socialists and communists ?
I think I would be reconsidering my affiliation with "white national"ism if I had a problem with what happened. You don't protest dressed up as Nazis (or the president while chanting Nazi slogans!) If you're peaceful. At a minimum, the ideas of Nazi Germany and how it ended up at the Holocaust and WW2 are a very clear warning. It is not a peaceful movement. Only now there is no longer any pretence
Tolerance is a peace treaty, it only works when all sides accept a live-and-let-live attitude. NAZIs literally define themselves by their unwillingness to let others live (here). They won't abide by the treaty, so they don't get protection under it.
And since, historically, their tactics have been murderous - punching them in the face is a very restrained response.
When somebody wants you dead and you ONLY punch him in the face, I admire your peaceloving nature.
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A problem for the AltRight movement is that it's been infiltrated by actual Neo-Nazis. I think it's similar to the problem GamerGate had, in which their message got mixed in with sexist and harassing behavior of women who posted their feminist-slanted treaties on videogames and culture. Those treaties were, in my opinion, at best pondered as an interesting discussion point, and at worst simply ignored. Whatever sort of "ethics in journalism" message GamerGate had was far overshadowed by those who used the GG moniker to commit sexist acts.
The left *tried* to poison the image of the Tea Party movement, but only partially succeeded, because the movement was more about tax reform than overly ideological (hence, the name), and most of the members were reasonably well behaved. So, "Tea Party" is really only vilified by the left - but then again, so are normal conservatives and Republicans in general, I suppose. But here, we have actual, avowed white supremacists associating with and endorsing the movement. I don't see how anyone can view that movement as anything but fatally poisoned.
BTW, I self-identify as a generally right-leaning, conservative Republican with a sprinkling of liberal or libertarian views on some topics. So, I hope you don't dismiss this as someone who actually disagrees with many of your core concerns. But I'll be damned if I ever get anywhere near the "AltRight" moniker myself.
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We have been trying to warn you about the actual Nazis who are in your midst, but you keep having little fits of rage like that one.
It's in your own interest to acknowledge this problem and try to deal with it. This rally and the violence from the literal Nazis who where there has damaged both the alt-right and Trump. Is that what you want?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
If there were nazis that marched but didn't actually commit any violence, should they be denounced?
Yes. Because they are FUCKING NAZIS.
Well, they did rise to power peacefully, and might even have remained so had they not been so focused on the whole "genocide" thing.
Yep, except for a never ending string of violent rallies, attacks on the government, special powers introduced to defend pro-nazi functions from dissidence, and the arson attack on parliament with a few people sentenced to death here and there. Other than those *minor* details the nazis were perfectly lovely people until they gassed Jews.
Take a history lesson and also apply a bit of logic. When in history has a disenfranchised nation peacefully handed over absolute power to a government.
I'm not labeling people. I'm labeling an idea. People choose to adopt an idea and can choose to abandon it again.
But they cannot choose the things that idea labels them on. They cannot choose their color or their country of birth.
That makes using such labels evil by default with no possible redeeming value. But labeling ideas is inherently good and fighting evil ideas is called heroism.
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Assaulting people because they have different ideas to you is an evil idea.
Be a hero, punch yourself, you bigoted ignorant twat.
You can't win a debate with the willfully ignorant. I do wish you luck, however.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
A bunch of angry people with fasces and swastikas shouting "blood and soil" oh and killing people and I'm supposed to, what, assume they are there for a fucking kumbaya singing and a drum circle?
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I like a nice conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but Hillary! supporters aren't exactly the core of the hard Left.
ALL americans get rights, even the wackjobs like the nazis or the wack jobs like the SJWs or the wackjobs like (insert whatever wackjob you wish here)
you cant just assault people for having differing views
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
So all we have to do to remove rights from groups of people is stick them with arbitrary labels?
Neat. I can see no possible downside.
How about you, Mr. Neimoller?
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
It started with a woman that harassed a man, with the help of many in the media.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
So what? When did I say I was a part of or supported those groups or even that I was anti-Trump? Also, smear the Nazis? I'm pretty sure their reputation speaks for itself.
Unless of course you were also "smearing" the Communists?
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.