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We Print 50 Trillion Pages a Year, and Xerox Is Betting That Continues (fortune.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: For most of its 111-year history, Xerox has been known as one of the tech industry's most innovative companies. Now the legendary copier company is reinventing itself. In January, Xerox made the bold decision to split itself into two, spinning off its business services operations into a separate company called Conduent. And Jeffrey Jacobson, a Xerox tech executive, was tapped as Xerox's new CEO. Speaking with Fortune's Susie Gharib, Jacobson says Xerox is still "one of the top patent producing companies in the world" and he's counting on that scientific expertise to pivot the company to be a leader in digital print technology. "If I look at the things we're looking at with the Internet of things, artificial intelligence and bridging the digital and physical," he says, "that's what I think we'll be known for."

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  2. Re: I did print a lot; now, almost never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You must not work for the government.

  3. Bullshit by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    50 trillion pages would be more than 5000 pages per person per year. Most of us won't hit that lifetime. My yearly total might hit 20 this year. I don't buy that being even remotely real.

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    1. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I work for a local xerox core company and can say it's probably a bit low. Every small office in Iowa has at least one if not three or four printers. Over half of what gets printed ends up in the trash within a week I would bet though.

    2. Re:Bullshit by mhkohne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I just looked at the data from the printer at my office. Small company (~15 right now), and our test results and much of our documentation are printed out so they can be stored forever in a filing cabinet (medical device). Among our printers, it comes to something shy of 5 pages/person/day average, which is about 1825 pages/year.

      But Xerox doesn't just do relatively small stuff like that. Think of a financial planner, printing out 400 page reports several times per year for each of their clients. Is that shit useful? Absolutely not. But it's pages printed.

      Or think of someplace that still sends paper bills- I know I get a paper bill every month from my utility company. At Nthousand customers, they can REALLY push up the average if they are running Xerox gear for that operation.

      So yea, you and I don't print anything like that. But then someone else pushes way up on the average.

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    3. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50 trillion pages would be more than 5000 pages per person per year. Most of us won't hit that lifetime. My yearly total might hit 20 this year. I don't buy that being even remotely real.

      I work in a team of 5 people and we get through a ream of paper (500 sheets) every 2 days or so. That's upwards of 65,000 pages just for one small department.
      Most of the world still runs on paper, especially when it comes to shipping goods across borders. I can easily see that figure being accurate.

    4. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not bullshit at all. You don't work in the right industries and don't see the paper usage. There are some very paper heavy industries that are easily taking care of the entire population of California and New York combined in terms of paper usage.

      At my work we get nearly a pallet worth of paper ever couple of weeks. At another office with more people a few years ago (same industry) we were getting going through that ever week. There are over 40 people in my office and about 20 printers with 100,000s of prints on each printer. We print a shit ton of paper and this isn't changing anytime soon.

      Paper usage is going down for some on a personal level and still decades off to even start slowing down for others. Xerox is betting correctly for now. That may change in 20-30 years, but for now it's not going to change or even slow down.

    5. Re:Bullshit by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      How many catalogs and such do you get in the mail? Those are often printed on high-volume industrial printers, bound up and mailed to you... Doesn't take too many of them to reach 5000 pages per person!

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    6. Re:Bullshit by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      Let do a little Googling and a little arithmetic.

      A sheet of 8.5x11 paper weighs about 6 grams (100 grams per square meter) so 50 trillion pages is 300 million tons of printed paper.

      In 2015 world paper production was 400 million tons, so this is 3/4 of the world's paper being used for printing.

      Seems high - there is a lot of paper used in packaging and other uses, but possible the printed fraction is this high. But it would include every sort of printing at all: books, newspapers, magazines, advertising circulars, legal documents, etc. Xerox does not have a presence in all of these markets I expect.

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    7. Re:Bullshit by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      50 trillion pages would be more than 5000 pages per person per year. Most of us won't hit that lifetime.

      During my snail mail days of submitting 50+ manuscripts each month, it took six years to go through the 50,000-page duty cycle of the drum on my laser printer. Four years ago I replaced the old printer with a new printer because it was cheaper than replacing the $200 drum. The new printer also printed faster and had wireless support for iPad and iPhone. I've only printed ~2,000 pages since then. Manuscripts are submitted via email these days.

    8. Re: Bullshit by guruevi · · Score: 1

      A lot of (I would say most) packaging is still printed on. Pretty much every box in the mail has a logo of some sort. There's also a lot of plastic being printed on.

      And does your figure count just tree-paper production which is typically what you'll get from most estimates but you should also add recycled paper to the mix.

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    9. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry mate, as someone who works in print I personally print ~200,000 pages a year, along with an assortment co-works who do far more. If you consider things like newspapers, and countries that are still very much in love with print media (i.e. Japan) I don't think Xerox's numbers are too hyperbolic.

    10. Re:Bullshit by acoustix · · Score: 1

      Based on what my company still prints on a daily basis for invoices, new employees, and other items I would think it's right. My company struggles to go paperless which drives me nuts. It's costly to print, and slows the business process down. We try to force some of our customers over to electronic invoicing and EDI, but there's a lot of push back there too.

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    11. Re:Bullshit by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Over half of what gets printed ends up in the trash within a week I would bet though.

      When Sony came out with the PlayStation 2, they were updating their standards do quite frequently and 40+ testers at the video game company I worked for printed out a copy. When the standards doc got updated weekly and everyone printed out a copy, we ran out of paper by midweek after Monday's office supply delivery. Management decreed that only one copy per bullpen (four people) would get printed. We went back to individual copies after Sony started updating the standards doc once in a blue moon.

    12. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked for officemax for 9 years, in one regional print center alone we averaged about 1 million prints per week all on Xerox machines. Thats one location out of 5 pre-merger, now after merger theres about 8. I could see this being very reasonable. Tech manuals, training guides, common core books for students, City/State government flyers and pamphlets, colleges. Im sure Office Depot, OfficeMax and Staples make up a huge chunk of that alone.

    13. Re:Bullshit by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Last year, I got exactly 1. I complained, though, and don't expect to see any this year.

    14. Re:Bullshit by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I was in a conference room at a law firm last month. Across the hall was a printer the size of a large refrigerator. It was printing and collating continuously for the entire two hours I was there. It looked like it was printing several pages per second.

      I wonder if a human eye will ever look at even 1% of those pages.

    15. Re:Bullshit by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      The company I work for has a similar problem, but opposite-like.

      I get my paychecks direct-deposited, and have access to my stubs electronically. And yet they still insist on mailing me a 100% worthless printed stub every pay cycle. I tried to get them to stop, but eventually gave up.

    16. Re: Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been unsuccessful in even slowing down the number of useless catalogs and advertisements I receive. And I hear the USPS has been delivering these at below cost.

    17. Re:Bullshit by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

      I was in a conference room at a law firm last month. Across the hall was a printer the size of a large refrigerator. It was printing and collating continuously for the entire two hours I was there. It looked like it was printing several pages per second.

      I wonder if a human eye will ever look at even 1% of those pages.

      Those that are looked at, will be looked at by lawyers...so 1% being seen by humans is still way too high.

    18. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looked like it was printing several pages per second.

      It probably was. My high school bought a Risograph (think: modernized mimeograph) machine back in the early 90s. Slower and more expensive than a regular copier for a single page, but could churn out over 100 pages per minute once started. Fascinating to watch, really.

    19. Re: Bullshit by epine · · Score: 1

      I just measured my fairly stiff and robust home stock at 5.5 g per US page. Many offices use paper half this robust.

    20. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah. i think I see the issue here. Let me try something....

      50 trillion IMPRESSIONS would be more than 5000 IMPRESSIONS per person per year.

      I work in the ink-on-paper printing industry, part of one of the companies which made up the corporation that Xerox was rumored to merge with in 2016. When printing people say "pages" what they really mean are the impressions on a piece of paper. We actually call these impressions because we can print dozens of impressions at a time on the very large presses.

      Now, you, as an individual, may not print out 5000 impressions (that's 2500 pieces of paper or five reams (packages) of paper) but most offices will go through five reams of paper in a week in a single multi-function printer/copier. A large office will have two or three of these devices and a production plant with an office attached (like the ones I oversee) will have twenty five or more printers, all churning through paper.

      We don't all need to print the Encyclopedia Britannica to go through that mach paper and toner. The inefficiencies and politics of modern companies, each demanding "printed proof" for every step, will do that for you. Even if the word PAGE actually means a piece of paper and not a side, this still works out.

    21. Re: Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously we need robots to scrutinize all those printed pages, marking them up and filing them.

    22. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " they were updating their standards do quite frequently"

      Do? Is that another farming thing?

    23. Re:Bullshit by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Paper is everywhere. Just off the top of my head:

      Novels, Comics, textbooks, journals, lesson plans, instruction manuals, warranty information, contracts, flyers, bills, advertisements, receipts, photographs, the list goes on.

      One example of massive printing is Aircraft Manuals and other related stuff. A car manual and such are likely 100 pages max, but there's one per car. Aircraft manuals and Technical Orders can be on the order of 800+ pages, and they *must* be accessible in the aircraft (at least, DoD regs say so). Most of the older DoD systems have tech orders that are only in paper form, and can only be requested in paper form.

      Not to mention all the bills, advertisements, junk mail we all get. My house likely gets 50 pages of junk a week, some more than others.

    24. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many weeks does it take you to go through 50000 rolls of toilet paper?

      You're the first tenant that had to get the holder replaced because the bearing wore out!

    25. Re:Bullshit by tempest69 · · Score: 1

      That's 15 pages per day of printed material... I think that is pretty reasonable I get a bunch more than that in my mailbox alone. But I'm in the US, so I suspect I should be in the higher end of paper use. That said, I rarely print.. Though I can burn through a ton of paper getting a publication to look just right on a page.

  4. Recycled paper and laser-burning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    directly on the paper, without ink. That's the future in printing I believe.

  5. Laser printers? We don't need no laser printers? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    Xerox is well-known for missing the significance of what they had at PARC back in the day, and letting Steve Jobs ransack the place to develop the Mac. One of the lesser known stories, mentioned in "Dealers of Lightning: Xerox PARC and the Dawn of the Computer Age" by Michael A. Hiltzik, was how Xerox dismissed the laser printer as they didn't want to cannibalize their copier sales. A delimma that most technology companies encounter when they have a cash cow product and a newer product that would replace it. HP came out with the first personal laser printer in 1980 and turned toner cartridges into a cash cow.

  6. No printing here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never print anything. I save to pdf when needed. I have all my documents electronically so I don't receive statements and bills in the mail anymore. I don't buy paper books.

    Not sure who is doing all the printing or why. Maybe construction drawings? Newspapers? Advertising?

    1. Re:No printing here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Catalogues? I get tons of catalogues I don't want from companies I've only ever bought online from, no obvious way to stop them.
      Free newspapers? They're a big thing in the UK (Metro mainly - but there are quite a lot of local ones as well) - Metro prints 1.5million copies per day, with about 32 pages, 5 times per week (32*5*52*1.5 million= 12.5 billion pages per year). That's 1/4000 of the total world paper use *just* for one freesheet in one country (though it depends what you call a 'page', e.g. I suppose a 32 page newspaper might really only be 8 sheets each printed as 4 pages - but it still shows where a lot of paper could go).

  7. Well.... by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    I don't know why any company would be proud of NOT being green and eco-friendly at all. Think of the number of trees killed to produce this paper.

    1. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we stopped printing it would kill way more trees. The trees are grown for paper and when they are cut down they are replanted. If we did not use the paper then those forests would be gone and turned into farmland or something else. Printing does not mean less trees but more trees.

      If we stopped eating steak how many cows do you think there would be? (Well plenty because of milk but the point is the industry drives the population)

    2. Re:Well.... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      i-84 in eastern oregon is an example of this btw. there's a tree farm near Boardman that produces poplars for paper production. It's about 5 -10 miles long across the freeway, and easily another couple miles deep.

      Farms like that are where your paper comes from (or it's simply recycled).

    3. Re: Well.... by KGIII · · Score: 2

      See, trees are pretty much the definition of renewable resources.

      If you don't like logging, try wiping your ass with plastic.

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    4. Re: Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or better yet, wash it with water. That way it'll actually be clean.

    5. Re: Well.... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I live in America. We don't use that communist bidet stuff. I bet you use metric, don't you? Filthy heathen.

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    6. Re: Well.... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      I have it worse. I live in a country which imports water. I use toilet paper imported from the US.

    7. Re:Well.... by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      I have seen those 'forests' so many times. They are the weirdest looking things, strait rows. They put up a big sign when they harvest one, I don't recall exactly what it says, I haven't been on that route for several years.
      A grand sight, the poster child for renewable resources.

      And beautiful in their own right as well.

      Now I've a desire to head down to Multnomah falls next weekend as I love the drive down US30. Top off, wind in your hair...maybe up Mt Hood the next day....sorry, off-topic daydreaming, but it's so damned pretty.

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    8. Re: Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn straight we use metric. How else are you going to measure toilet paper? You need metric ass-tons for that. Imperial ass-tons are just too weird.

    9. Re:Well.... by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I have seen those 'forests' so many times.

      That's because they can't really be considered "forests". They're tree farms. The two are very, very different.

    10. Re: Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you don't have a water supply at the toilet or it's cut off? Do you settle on covering your hand in shit?

      Try it : wipe your ass with the right hand and wear underwear. Wash hands when needed (e.g. before preparing food or eating, unless you don't do that because it's a Jew thing, and then you're stupid from ignoring biology and hygiene). Congrats! you can then function in a Western country.

    11. Re:Well.... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      this guy can't see the forest for the trees apparently? :)

  8. 20+ years in the industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've spent 20+ years in the transactional / EDPP print industry helping to support an operation that produces 300+M pages of output annually with equipment handling over 1400 unique pages / minute. I've debugged PostScript jobs in excess of 2GB in size and over 1M pages, and PDFs of similar scope and scale. Worked, advised, and consulted with the key leaders in the industry including Adobe, Xerox, Oce, Konika-Minolta, Kodak, HP, Xeikon. My point to the street cred is that here's what I'm seeing...

    Statement print is not dead, but is slowly and steady declining. E-delivery of statements, especially through secure trusted third-party systems such as Dropbox, is enabling this transformation. The area that will continue to see print is in durable copy requirements. Right now physical media (paper, plastic, etc.) is the only one that can meet the specific needs of this industry segment. Physical print is also the only proven medium for ultra-long-term archiveability. Yes, there is millennium disc, and similar technology. However, the printed page only requires two things to interpret it - the ability to view the document in some manner (e.g. light), and knowledge on how to decode the symbology. Everything else requires more steps, and a higher level up the technology curve.

    That isn't to say that we should abandon e-delivery for physical print. There are a large number of transient items that e-print is more than perfectly acceptable for - including most monthly/annual bills and statements, receipts for most items, etc. And having an electronic version for searchability just makes a lot of sense in the modern age - books, congressional bills, executive orders, etc. But, the final, unmuteable, version should be on acid-free paper or parchment.

    As for packaging print - it will never die. Not until someone can deliver my Honeynut Cheerios electronically - there will still be a need for this technology.

    Regarding the OP - Xerox has had two major problems... converting their lab work into sell-able items. Xerox PARC invented PostScript (which beget PDF through project Carousel at Adobe), GUI, Ethernet, and many of the other inventions that made modern technology use able. 2) They have a really, really hard time keeping their equipment up to current technology, outsourced all their engineering. Not just shipped it overseas, OUTSOURCED IT!, and refuse to let new technology cannibalize market-share from their existing installed base. For example, PostScript (initially called Interpress) was found to possibly "compete" with their LCDS and Metacode languages. Rather than add a third, they deep-sixed it. John and Chuck took it, started Adobe (name of the creek behind John's house) and it became Adobe's first product. Xerox attempted to play catch-up, but never could. Eventually LCDS, Metacode (and IBM's AFP) started to become more and more relegated to narrower and narrower workflows as PostScript and PDF have taken over the marketspace.

    Good luck to Xerox in getting their cranium extricated from their arse. But, I expect them to end up much like Kodak (which invented digital photography)

    Fred in IT
     

    1. Re:20+ years in the industry by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I've spent 20+ years in the transactional / EDPP print industry helping to support an operation that produces 300+M pages of output annually with equipment handling over 1400 unique pages / minute. I've debugged PostScript jobs in excess of 2GB in size and over 1M pages, and PDFs of similar scope and scale. Worked, advised, and consulted with the key leaders in the industry including Adobe, Xerox, Oce, Konika-Minolta, Kodak, HP, Xeikon. My point to the street cred is that here's what I'm seeing...

      Statement print is not dead, but is slowly and steady declining. E-delivery of statements, especially through secure trusted third-party systems such as Dropbox, is enabling this transformation. The area that will continue to see print is in durable copy requirements. Right now physical media (paper, plastic, etc.) is the only one that can meet the specific needs of this industry segment. Physical print is also the only proven medium for ultra-long-term archiveability. Yes, there is millennium disc, and similar technology. However, the printed page only requires two things to interpret it - the ability to view the document in some manner (e.g. light), and knowledge on how to decode the symbology. Everything else requires more steps, and a higher level up the technology curve.

      That isn't to say that we should abandon e-delivery for physical print. There are a large number of transient items that e-print is more than perfectly acceptable for - including most monthly/annual bills and statements, receipts for most items, etc. And having an electronic version for searchability just makes a lot of sense in the modern age - books, congressional bills, executive orders, etc. But, the final, unmuteable, version should be on acid-free paper or parchment.

      As for packaging print - it will never die. Not until someone can deliver my Honeynut Cheerios electronically - there will still be a need for this technology.

      Regarding the OP - Xerox has had two major problems... converting their lab work into sell-able items. Xerox PARC invented PostScript (which beget PDF through project Carousel at Adobe), GUI, Ethernet, and many of the other inventions that made modern technology use able. 2) They have a really, really hard time keeping their equipment up to current technology, outsourced all their engineering. Not just shipped it overseas, OUTSOURCED IT!, and refuse to let new technology cannibalize market-share from their existing installed base. For example, PostScript (initially called Interpress) was found to possibly "compete" with their LCDS and Metacode languages. Rather than add a third, they deep-sixed it. John and Chuck took it, started Adobe (name of the creek behind John's house) and it became Adobe's first product. Xerox attempted to play catch-up, but never could. Eventually LCDS, Metacode (and IBM's AFP) started to become more and more relegated to narrower and narrower workflows as PostScript and PDF have taken over the marketspace.

      Good luck to Xerox in getting their cranium extricated from their arse. But, I expect them to end up much like Kodak (which invented digital photography)

      Fred in IT

      Yeah in 1997 when I read PCWorld (yes you had to go to the magazine section in those days besides chips & dip which eventually became slashdot) they had articles on how by 2001 the paperless office would be here as well as cat5 cables being a thing of the past with everyone in an office using WIFI. 20 years have past and the article mentions people are printing now more than ever.

      Kind of sad. My guess is countries like India and China are much richer now with office equipment which they did not have in 1997 even if we do print a little less individually.

    2. Re:20+ years in the industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fred? Is that you? I'm the guy working in the big commercial print plant across the street. Good to hear from you, buddy.

      I disagree with your assessment.
      Statement printing will die when the last luddite takes a dirt nap. It's too expensive for everyone and it just wastes time and resources, and by time and resources I mean the money of the people sending the statements. Eventually those companies will phase that out as an option.

      Package printing, oddly, might also go the way of the dodo. Hear me out.Lets say you are a company. You want to sell a product. In order to sell that product you need to differentiate it from all the other products which are just like it. Honey-Nut-Oatey-O's and Nutty-Oat-Honey-Os and all the rest are exactly the same except for the boxes. You want your box to be instantly identifiable by the consumer so they can grab it off the shelf. You make your box yellow and your competitor makes theirs honey gold. This is a factor in consumer buying habits as long as the products exist TOGETHER, SIDE BY SIDE, ON A CONSUMER VIEWABLE SHELF. More and more people buy their products from the internet where the products don't physically appear next to each other. When was the last time you bought a piece of technology off the shelf?

      Now, some products will always have specialty packages printed. convenience store items like soda and candy bars will need these things as long as there are convenience stores. Outside of that niche market I can see a time when I order my canned and boxed groceries on line and never see a label or a box. Maybe there is a barcode or some other consumer scannable ID on the can or the bag, but no big, fancy printed labels.

      I can hear you screaming that we need these fancy boxes so we know what product we have whether we buy it off the shelf or off the internet. Maybe that will be true for a while, but let me ask you this; at this moment what is stopping some cereal manufacturer in China from printing ten thousand Honey-Nut Cheerio boxes, filling those with Oatey-Honey-Nutty-Os. and selling those knock-offs to Trader Joe's? No one would know. General Mills would never say anything because they want people to trust that their product is what it says on the box. They'd tell TJ's to quietly take the boxes down and just whisper in someone's ear in China. Six months later the Oatey-Honey-Nutty-O's guy would be buried under a dam on the Yellow River. For all you know it happens all the time.

      Oddly, the only segments of printing that will NEVER go away are label printing and greeting card's. The robots will need to have some way to identify those bags and cans, and people will always need something to shove that Amazon gift card in to.

  9. With dual headed displays by gillbates · · Score: 1

    With additional monitors so cheap these days, the rationale I had for printing out code is gone. And Xerox has never made inroads into the SOHO market, so I don't know where they expect to grow. I've print about 2 pages a year, if that. So there's my 2 cents... contribution to the Xerox bottom line.

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    1. Re: With dual headed displays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the rationale for printing code was desk checking. Because computers were more expensive than programmers.

  10. Damn right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like the price of pumpkin stocks is increasing. I'll hold on to these bad boys for 6 months then bail. Easy money.

  11. low-ball number....evolution of printing by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    in my experience: 1. mainframe/tower, low page count.relatively expensive. 2. laptop, printing quadrupled.easy/cheap. 3. smartphone, massive due to medical.

  12. Same as it ever was by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Xerox is still "one of the top patent producing companies in the world"

    That's good, Apple and MS still need new ideas to steal.

    1. Re:Same as it ever was by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      That's good, Apple and MS still need new ideas to steal.

      Naw. They are still plenty of old ideals for them to steal, and fuck up. I give you virtual desktops on windows 10. Something that has been around 30 years. Microsoft finally steals it and promptly fucks it right up the ass.

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    2. Re:Same as it ever was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does this anger you? You've had thirty years to learn the Redmond Lesson...

  13. Color laser by rfengr · · Score: 1

    Is there any color laser that does not cost an arm and a leg in consumables? Seems the technology has been stagnant for 20 years.

    1. Re: Color laser by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Xerox, Brother and OKI all have very affordable cartridges, especially after-market.

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    2. Re:Color laser by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Amazon has a Xerox color laser printer for $196 and consumables are about $133 to $199. That seems affordable for a color laser printer. My monochrome laser printer cost $200 and consumables are $80.

    3. Re:Color laser by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      HP LJ2 with the network cable plugged into the wifi router. Cost £45 with half full cartridge. 1st cartridge was about the same price, quick search - genuine hp cart is £30 which includes recycle program or I wouldn't use it.

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    4. Re:Color laser by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      consumables are about $133 to $199. That seems affordable for a color laser printer.

      From where I stand, that seems like the direct opposite of "affordable".

  14. Re:I did print a lot; now, almost never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Used to print reams of code to mark for changes. Now the only thing I print at the office is a few nice colour maps for walking etc. - I find them more convenient than phone/tablet. (And no, I'm not 'stealing', we're explicitly allowed reasonable personal use of work facilities).

  15. Re:I did print a lot; now, almost never by rfengr · · Score: 1

    As an EE, I always print data sheets. It's a lot more convenient to have multiple in a desk, flipping between them and highlighting. Same for technical books. I always buy print. Ebooks are for casual reading where the page will never be revisited.

  16. Re: Laser printers? We don't need no laser printer by guruevi · · Score: 2

    Xerox also has had a string of bad management. The previous CEO was Marissa Mayer on steroids. The company has really been coasting by since the late 2000s and also shedding a lot of US factories, labs and divisions to stay afloat.

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  17. Ive been in the photocopier business over 30 years by p51d007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remember in the mid 80's, the paperwork reduction act came along...printing went UP. Computers, have been the biggest asset to printing/copying more, as more and more data in detail is available. When the HIPPA health law came along, my volumes went UP. As long as you have lawyers & government, there WILL be paperwork. Our FM audit tracking program counts "the clicks" on all of our clients, and quarter after quarter, the volumes continue to increase. Just about every photocopier manufacturer, at one point or another has introduced "erasable" copiers. Most bomb because the cost of the toner is way out of line. What it does is melts the toner at a LOWER heat rate. The "ink" on the paper, is a blue color. To "erase" it, you run it through a separate box, about the size of a paper shredder. The "eraser" passes the paper through a special set of fuser rollers (heat & pressure), at a HIGHER temperature. It changes the dye in the ink on the page, from a blue color, to a transparent color. If you look at the paper under the correct lighting, you can see where the print was, you just cant read it. It's good for about 3-4 passes before so many layers have been deposited on the paper, that it can't add anymore through the normal copy process. It's good for "throwaway" stuff, meetings and what not, but still too expensive to make it mainstream. We have A LOT of people now, scanning and archiving store documents, but they continue to PRINT hard copies of new stuff. I really don't see "the copier" going away anytime soon, since now, most are what is known as multi function printers (MFP). Print, copy, scan, fax, email, web all from one box. And with cloud printing, you can print to the machine from your smartphone, or store it on a private box to print later, or you can pull documents remotely. Most have contactless touch to print using your phone also. On the tech side of it, we really like these new machines. We can remote into them, check error logs, remotely change settings if needed, update the software and do all sorts of things, that before, you would have to respond to the location, see what it needs, either bring a bunch of stuff with you, or make a return trip. Now you can do a lot of it right from your phone. I tell people that sometimes, I don't even get my tools out, I just plug my laptop into the machines, or, whip out my phone.

  18. Re:I did print a lot; now, almost never by jwhyche · · Score: 3

    I bought a $100 laser printer 4 years ago to print out "official" documents for bureaucrats that don't take email. I print a dozen documents a year and mainly keep the dust off it.

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  19. Re:Ive been in the photocopier business over 30 ye by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Erasable is completely useless. Have you ever tried putting even slightly wrinkled paper back in a printer? Forget it.

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  20. Re:I did print a lot; now, almost never by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    I used to print out web sites. So the copy editor could mark them up and hand me back the changes. God, it seems stupid how that works.

    Also, it took nearly a year for her to stop querying the lack of double spaces after periods. I kept insisting that HTML didn't support double spaces and she didn't really believe me. (I know I could have faked it with forced whitespace, but I wasn't going to admit to that atrocious possibility.)

  21. Best line I ever heard... by kenh · · Score: 1

    ... regarding so-called 'paper-less offices':

    The paper-less office is just as likely as the paper-less bathroom

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    Ken
    1. Re:Best line I ever heard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IOW, The Paperless office of the future is right down the hall from the paperless restroom of the future.

      The other one I came up with when supporting printers for a major vendor:

      Nobody cares about the printer until they can't print their paycheck.

  22. Practical e-paper by myid · · Score: 1

    What we need is e-paper

    1) that has the advantages of physical paper - low cost, thin, lightweight, foldable, doesn't break if you drop it

    2) and the advantages of electronic devices - re-usable, read/write computer files, can display videos with sound.

    Current e-tablets aren't convenient, if you have to flip between pages a lot. I'd love to have someone invent e-paper that was as thin and flexible as paper, and that cost only $10 a "page".

    How many pages of e-paper would you need to buy? Well, how many pieces of paper do you look at, at one time? Maybe 5 or 6 maximum, for most people. 6 pages at $10/page is $60, which is about the cost of 2 ink cartridges.

    And think of this: Suppose your display software let you use multiple displays, so that you could put four e-paper pages next to each other in a square, and see an image with each dimension twice as large. So you buy twenty 8.5-by-11 inch e-paper pages. You put them on your wall next to each other, in 5 columns and 4 rows, with the pages in landscape orientation. Then each row is 5 x 11 or 55 inches long, and each column is 4 x 8.5 or 34 inches tall. So you make a 55 x 34 inch TV, with paper-sharp resolution, for $200 (20 pages at $10 each).

    Whoever invents cheap, practical e-paper like this will make a mint.

  23. How Big Business Works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In December, Xerox board members decided they couldn't see normal business providing enough bonuses and pay rises over the next year and because there were no mergers on the horizon, they'd have to split the company to give the illusion of progress and provide the kind of remuneration they deserve.

    In January, Xerox made the bold decision to split itself into two, spinning off its business services operations into a separate company called Conduent.

  24. Re: I did print a lot; now, almost never by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    You must not work for the government.

    Everything I have printed on paper in the last few years was for a doctor, a lawyer, or a bureaucrat. My kids don't even use paper for school work. Project reports are done in Google docs and turned in electronically.

  25. Who's "we"? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    I was just trying to think of the last time I printed something. I believe it was about four years ago, when I had to print a single-page release form because that's what a company required.

  26. Re:I did print a lot; now, almost never by JohnFen · · Score: 2

    I'm the exact opposite with eBooks. I now have all of my technical reference books in eBook form -- they're much easier for me to use that way, and I always have my entire library with me.

    For recreational reading, though, eBooks aren't for me at all.

  27. Re:I did print a lot; now, almost never by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

    I print code. I print email. I print news articles. I print jokes. If I'm bored, I print spam. Heck, I'm sure I account for at least a trillion of the 50 trillion pages, and I'm only seventh in the world rankings at last count.

  28. Re: I did print a lot; now, almost never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the point of your anecdote? Was it meant to counter the headline? Ok. So you don't print. Many people do. And?

  29. About that Xerox "spin off" company - Conduent by millertym · · Score: 1

    Not quite as drastic as it sounds. In 2010 or so Xerox bought a service company called ACS in a multi billion dollar deal. Trying to stay in competition with with Dell and HP as they bought up big service companies. Turned out to not be as profitable as they hoped among other problems.

    The "split" or spin off company is nothing more than the old ACS being made it's own company again, with a name change. Very little of it ever had anything to do with the Xerox printer portion of the company.

  30. Re:I did print a lot; now, almost never by timftbf · · Score: 1

    Technical ebooks are far easier and cheaper to update, especially if you get them from a publisher who understands that, and does so, free of charge. (Hi PragProg! I hope others do the same...)

  31. Paperless Office? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paper is still a better format for a lot of things - It's much easier to skim through e.g. a book to look for something when you don't know what that thing is, than to do it in electronic form.
    When you do know, electronic is better as you can just search, so I like to have both dead-tree and un-real formats :)

    Paper is also full open and transportable, not so with electronic formats which may not render correctly when taken from one location to another.

    Paper also has far more longevity than electronic formats unless they are constantly moved around; You can stick paper in a box and it'll still be readable in 50 years time easily - With CD's and DVD's that is far less certain, and with Tapes the data would probably still there but there is a good chance there won't be a working drive or in fact a computer with an interface for that drive any more by that time.

    Also, schools get through *vast* amounts of paper - Just the SATS papers alone, not to mention reports, which they both have to do multiple times a year.

    Paper will not be going away any time soon.

  32. Re:Laser printers? We don't need no laser printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " A delimma [sic]"

    Delimma, huh?

    " HP came out with the first personal laser printer in 1980"

    Bzt. Wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_printing

    "In 1979,[6] inspired by the Xerox 9700's commercial success, Japanese camera and optics company, Canon, developed a low-cost, desktop laser printer: the Canon LBP-10. "

    "The first laser printer designed for office use reached market in 1981: the Xerox Star 8010. "

    "The first laser printer intended for mass-market sales was the HP LaserJet, released in 1984; it used the Canon CX engine"

    You're wrong on everything. As usual. Go take a bigger dump.

  33. Re:Laser printers? We don't need no laser printers by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    You're wrong on everything. As usual.

    Not according to the source that I cited in my comment.

    Xerox failed to connect the dots and realize that the profit wasn't in the printer but in the toner and the paper. As a result, the company was beaten to market by Hewlett-Packard, which introduced the first personal laser printer in 1980.

  34. Re:Laser printers? We don't need no laser printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better tell Canon.

    http://global.canon/en/corporate/history/03.html

    Oh, and tell HP too.

    http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/museum/imagingprinting/0018/index.html

    Jackass. Can't wait to see how you dodge, avoid, redefine, and wiggle your way out of that one, fat failure.

  35. Re:Laser printers? We don't need no laser printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you sound sweet, bitter tits

  36. Re: I did print a lot; now, almost never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love this. When kids are old enough to work for the government they will find everything that's is printed to be a huge waste of time.

  37. Re:Ive been in the photocopier business over 30 ye by max99ted · · Score: 1

    As long as you have lawyers & government, there WILL be paperwork.

    Agreed and I would add insurance and medical to that list. Been working in the legal industry for the last 20 years or so and convinced that paper is not going anywhere anytime soon.

    We used to have a 3rd party printer guy to fix our HP 8000s and other big copier units (Kyocera).. now they are all leased Ricoh MFPs and other 'smart' printers where the tech knows there is a problem before I do :)

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  38. Re:Ive been in the photocopier business over 30 ye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm more concerned about the dust on used paper. The dust goes right into the machine, onto the rolls and whatnot. Then what are you going to do, call a technician to clean it up, replace the printer, disassemble everything by yourself and risk breaking it?

    I think it's more "green" to use new paper and burn useless old paper than to slowly ruin a printer, have streaks on your print, need another printer for your prints to look "professional" enough.

  39. Re:Laser printers? We don't need no laser printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for that erudite [sic] within a quote where you mock the misspelling on the very next line. Are you a language wizard?