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Ukraine Hacker Cooperating With FBI In Russia Probe, Says Report (thehill.com)
schwit1 shares a report from The Hill: A hacker in Ukraine who goes by the online alias "Profexer" is cooperating with the FBI in its investigation of Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election, The New York Times is reporting. Profexer, whose real identity is unknown, wrote and sold malware on the dark web. The intelligence community publicly identified code he had written as a tool used in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee ahead of last year's presidential election. The hacker's activity on the web came to a halt shortly after the malware was identified. The New York Times, citing Ukrainian police, reported Wednesday that the individual turned himself into the FBI earlier this year and became a witness for the bureau in its investigation. FBI investigators are probing Russian interference efforts and whether there was coordination between associates of President Trump's campaign and Moscow. Special counsel Robert Mueller is heading the investigation.
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I guess John Podesta didn't fall for a simple phishing scam, the servers were hacked direct by some uber-Ukranian Evil Crime Lord sitting at a computer system that would make the one in Swordfish look like a Fisher-Price toy (blowjob under the desk by Halle Barry probably not included...) All done at the behest of Putin as he rode, magnificently and bare-chested, through the Siberian tundra aboard his chestnut colored steed, hunting wolves with a slingshot and pocket knife.
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So the Russian government is employing Ukrainian hackers. This doesn't make sense.
Like a Ukrainian hacker is going to turn himself in... without direction from the Communist Party.... To cause havoc in our political system.
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Weren't there several discussions on how it was a local USB copy and questions of why the DNC have yet to let anyone including the FBI actually look at the supposed compromised servers? Also that the DNC needed to make Wikileaks appear to be 'stealing' the information with some Russian bogeyman. I also saw some information that the Ukraine and various associated parties were contributing to the DNC possibly illegally and that none of the supposed hackers were Russian or real, but Ukrainians... Oh I guess that must all be wrong right? Good save by the trusty New York Times.
durrrpp... Nazis? There's nothing wrong with Nazis..
Nazis just love Robert E Lee, because he is a traitor just like Donald Trump.
There are good neo-Nazis who just want to walk around with torches screaming anti-semitic slurs and threatening violence. They are very fine people. Just like Robert E Lee, a very fine traitor.
Durrppp I'm such a trashy wannabee Nazi that I support traitors like Donald Trump and Robert E Lee.
*sucjs girlteeth*
Do you HAVE to alt-man in eveyr thread? Can't we have a nice girls thread?
This fukcking rape culture shit asshole?
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All he did was get Podesta to fall for a lame phising email.
If that's all it takes to "hack" a Democrat, it's a good damn thing Hillary! didn't win.
Her whole damn administration would have fallen for a Nigerian prince scam.
Or a Russian uranium one...
Donald Trump colluded....
By committing what crime(s)?
I've never had anybody actually explain what crime was committed by Trump or his Campaign here. I've heard a lot of people claiming that there was a crime or multiple crimes, but nobody can point to any actual laws that they think where broken,. I dare you, come up with an actual law that got broken by Trump or his Campaign related to the Russians... I'm starting to think there isn't anything. And while you are at it, what crimes did the Russians commit that had any affect on the election?
Donald Trump continues to obstruct investigations into Russia's election hacking and refuses to protect our country against Russian attacks.
How on earth is he doing this? Firing Comey? Asking him to let Flynn go? Is that all you got or is there more? You do realize that neither of these things had any affect on your supposed investigations. You also heard that Comey admitted that Trump wasn't under investigation before h was let go, under oath, after his departure, before congress. There is no obstruction here.
Donald Trump's behavior is the literal definition of treason.
Only in your contrived "Trumped up" accusations of criminal activity by Trump would this be Treason. EVEN IF he did what you claim, you are claiming that what he did meets the Constitutional definition of Treason? LOL.. I think you are nuts..
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I mean, the NYT has been right with 100% of the Russia stuff so far, right?
Every single week, usually every single day, another Russia story, and they have ALL turned out to be true, right?
And EVERYBODY knows how much Ukrainians LOVE Russia, right?
Muh Russia.
Muh Russia.
Muh Russia...
During the run up to Tony Blair's invasion of Iraq (for which the people of Spain would love to 'thank' him for the murderous events of the last day), Blair's tame media outlets- fronted by the BBC and Guardian newspaper- pushed the FAKE NEWS lie of Saddam's 'mobile biological warfare units'. In reality these were British provided systems to inflate weather balloons- but diagrams of the same devices were annotated by the BBC and others to 'prove' they were designed to 'brew' biological agents.
The directors of the company contatacted the press to correct the fake news- but then were in their turn visited by MI5 to tell them to keep their mouths shut and to allow the BBC to carry on pumping out its pro-war lies. The truth of the psy-op only came out later when Blair had already laid waste to Iraq.
Years earlier, Amnesty International, the MI6 psy-op fronted by a bunch of British celebs, co-published the FAKE NEWS lies about Saddam's forces throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait. Amnesty International's lying atrocity propaganda culminated in the 'highway of death'- the greatest concentrated act of mass murder in Human History.
Slashdot runs daily anti-Russia propaganda as part of a general Deep State preparation for war between the USA and Russia down the road. Same reason the US Congress bloc voted, soviet style, for sanctions against Iran, Russia and N Korea. Of course, unlike every other enemy the cowardly Americans have butchered, the Russians can look after themselves. When Clinton authorised actual nazis to go after ethnic Russians in East Ukraine, Russia ensured these NATO backed goons were ground to dust. Likewise, Russia has exterminated Clinton's wahhabi terror gangs in Syria. Yet those of you that suck up every piece of anti-Human hate promoted by Slashdot honestly think Russia will fall to American aggression like all the others.
Not that the owners of Slashdot will ever get over the fact that despite 99.999% of the mainstream media and fake Soros funded 'indy' media campaigning day and night for war criminal Clinton, she lost to a 'no-hoper' like Trump.
> I've never had anybody actually explain what crime was committed by Trump or his Campaign here
One aspect: Accepting material help from foreigners in a political campaign. The foreigner was an agent of a semi-hostile foreign government, and promised the help through criminally obtained materials. In return the foreign power wanted influence on US policy ("adoptions" is code for Magnitsky Act which are actually powerful economic sanctions targeted at oligarchs and the means of corrupt control in Russia). (If the person were domestic, it would be already bribery).
We don't know what is in the intelligence intercepts, but it appears to be enough to convince judges to agree to search warrants various times.
Before the election
Dec. 10, 2015
Lt. Gen Michael Flynn is part of a panel discussion in Moscow for the 10th anniversary of government-backed Russia Today, for which he receives payment (The Washington Post, Aug. 15, 2016). Officials notice an increase in communication between Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, following the Russia Today event (CNN, May 19, 2017).
Late 2015
British intelligence agencies detect suspicious interactions between Russia and Trump aides that they pass on to American intelligence agencies (The Guardian, April 13, 2017).
March 19, 2016
Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta is sent an email that encourages him to change his email password, likely precipitating the hack of his account (CBS News, Oct. 28, 2016).
March 21
During an interview with The Post, Trump lists Carter Page as part of his foreign policy team. Page had been recommended by a son-in-law of President Richard Nixon, New York Republican Party Chairman Ed Cox (WP, March 21, 2016).
March 28
Political veteran Paul Manafort is hired to help the Trump campaign manage the delegate process for the Republican National Convention. He is recommended by Trump confidante Roger Stone (New York Times, March 28, 2016). Before joining the campaign, Manafort lobbied on behalf of Oleg Deripaska, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. That deal followed a memo from Manafort in which he offered a plan that could "greatly benefit the Putin Government." His relationship with Deripaska ended in 2009 (Associated Press, March 22, 2017). Manafort also worked on behalf of the Russia-friendly Party of Regions in Ukraine, helping guide the party's leader, Viktor Yanukovych, to the country's presidency. Yanukovych would later be ousted. (WP, Aug. 19, 2016)
April 27
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) may have met with Kislyak at a reception at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington before a foreign-policy speech given by Trump (CNN, May 31, 2017).
June
At a closed-door meeting of foreign policy experts and the prime minister of India, Page praises Putin effusively (WP, Aug. 5, 2016).
June 9
Donald Trump, Jr., Manafort and son-in-law Jared Kushner meet at Trump Tower with a Kremlin-connected attorney named Natalia Veselnitskaya. Veselnitskaya's efforts to reverse a law passed in 2012 sanctioning Russians suspected of human rights violations at some point drew the attention of the FBI. The meeting was not initially reported to the government by Kushner as required when he took a position with the administration (Times, July 8, 2017). After the meeting was originally reported, Trump, Jr. admitted that the pretext for the conversation was that he believed Veselnitskaya to have information incriminating Hillary Clinton (Times, July 9, 2017).
June 15
A hacker calling himself "Guccifer 2.0" releases the Democratic National Committee's research file on Donald Trump (Gawker, June 15, 2016). News reports already link the stolen data to Russian hackers (WP, June 14, 2016).
July
At some point this month, the FBI begins investigating possible links between the Russian government and Trump's campaign (Wired, March 20, 2017).
July 7
Page travels to Moscow to give a lecture (NYT, April 19, 2017). The Trump campaign approved the trip (USA Today, March 7, 2017). This trip was likely the catalyst for the FBI's request for a secret surveillance warrant to track Pageâs communications (WP, May 25, 2017).
July 11 or 12
Trump campaign staffers intervene with the committee developing the Republican Party's national security platform to remove language call arming Ukraine against Russian aggression. (July 18, 2016).
July 18
At an event hosted by the Heritage Foundation as part of the Republican National Convention, Sessions and Kislyak have a brief conversation (WP, March 2, 2017).
Flynn delivers a speech at the Republican convention, joining in the crowd's "Lock her up!" chant. "If I, a guy who knows this business, if I
Slashdot. The latest player in the FAKE NEWS game. Seth Rich was the leaker. This will come out soon, BeauHD.
Why can't we go back to using jumpers to configure slot adapter cards? Why? I say!
Real news: Ukrainian lawmakers asked police to investigate Clinton election help.
Even if he (and his team) did not get involved, the Russian hacking can still have happened. It may or may not have been needed for Trump to win, but that's totally irrelevant. If the Russians did this - and from their point of view, why would they not as long as they can get away with it - it needs to be prevented from happening again. THAT is what really matters and why this must be investigated to the bottom. Anyone who does not get that, does not understand or care about what America. really stood for all those years up to 2016
What do we make of Seymour Hersh's comments about Seth Rich? For that matter, what do we make of PI Wheeler's comments about his investigation (the laptop/emails)? It's already known now that a hack was impossible; the files were transferred locally and made to look as though they came through a Russian source (covering tracks). Source audio of Hersh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYzB96_EK7s
WIKILEAKS already confirmed Seth as the source of the leaks. This story is totally and completely false. Why have there been such numerous retractions about the DNC 'hack' over the past few months? They have been LYING!
HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH
I like how the argument has shifted from "There's no evidence of collusion" to "Collusion isn't technically a crime". They will find enough for impeachment - don't kid yourself.
All I know is that Russia hacked the election and made me change my vote along with all the others.
At least that's what they tell me.
Does he not have access to youtube or something? https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... yadayadayada....
What the hell are ya doin' Beau...?
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
I generally prefer to determine if a crime was committed by the outcome of the trial.
If there is an accusation, then rather than demanding evidence it would be more normal to ask if there was an investigation.
And if there is an investigation happening right now, it would be normal to expect to have to wait until the end of the process to find out if there is an indictment, and then still not to know what the evidence is in detail until the trial is happening.
It is not rational to demand the sort of details you're asking for at this point. Criminal investigations are conducted following certain norms, and being done in a fishbowl is not one of those norms. You want to argue, I get it, but there is nothing to argue over. We learned a Ukrainian hacker is cooperating with the FBI. We have no idea if that is significant, or what the significance is. Later, we'll find that out.
what crimes? He beat Her Royal Clintoness. That's it. And that's enough to make all those on the left go wild and violent. And those on the (r) to be upset because a republican didn't beat her--a populist. So many (r)'s are going along. What illegal thing did he do? Beat's me. I've heard lots of things mentioned, but none even come close to what Comey said Clinton did.
No collusion, and it's not a crime.
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I think the definition of treason is (Merriam Webster):
"The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family."
If this were going to be applied it is those who oppose and are trying to bring down Trump would be surly guilty of this very thing.
from TFS: "turned himself into the FBI"
Ah, yes ... reminds me of the magician who was walking down the street and turned into a convenience store.
Alternative wording- try "turned himself in to the FBI". Much less disruptive to law enforcement.
...omphaloskepsis often...
Ok.. So which law is this? If you find one, there are a couple of other campaigns which may have some legal issues too.
I ask for the actual law because it is important that we know exactly what the imagined crime here is. Given your wording, I don't suppose that talking to a Russian would be enough for it to be a crime, but I'd like to see the law you think got broken so we can argue specifics.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
As far as the American entirely corrupt Deep State is concerned, not paying corporate lobbyists hundreds of millions of dollars to buy politicians, is the most heinous crime, worthy of a death sentence. That lobbyists pay of politicians to start wars for profit and kill millions, is no crime at all, just the way business is done, just ask those lobbyists, well, ask them if you can afford to pay them to answer the questions, those fuckers don't do anything for free. Governments pay, corporations pay, despots pay, crime lords pay, how dare Russia not pay, oh wait they did, they learnt after all the Russian lobbyists were kicked out as spies, imagine try to cheat American Lobbyists corporations out of the millions.
The Deep state and the lobbyists are turning themselves into a joke parody of themselves trying to keep the corruption gravy train going as the internet continues to expose them. You just know the swap from blaming Russia to blaming 'Anonymous' is bound to occur, perhaps 'Anonymous' contracting out to Russia, yeah, that'll work ;).
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
Yea, that's my impression of this too. This is about keeping Trump from doing things by keeping up this specter of illegal activity by forever investigating something that never happened..
It's about politics, not about finding the truth. It's about disabling as much of Trumps political power as possible to prevent him from achieving any of his major goals or policies.. In short, it's all a sham...
Sad thing here is a lot of their base seems to be swallowing the whole idea, hook line and sinker....
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Oh you misunderstand my point.. I'm asking for THEORIES, based on law. Find me the actual law that was broken, or all the evidence is meaningless anyway.
There are a bunch of folks acting like there was an obvious crime or two committed here, so I'm asking for someone to tell me what they propose said crime(s) actually are. Give me the law or laws that where possibly broken so we can discuss what kinds of evidence you need to support the conclusion of a crime having been committed. I'm just asking for some kind of workable theories. You pick the crime, find the law, then we can evaluate the evidence we know about and see if we are in the ball park. So far, we aren't.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
I like how the argument has shifted from "There's no evidence of collusion" to "Collusion isn't technically a crime". They will find enough for impeachment - don't kid yourself.
I've always been asking the question "What does collusion actually mean?" How's that a crime?
But hey, I'm asking for theories about actual criminal activity... What laws got broken here and by whom? How could this accusation that Trump (or his campaign) did anything illegal be true? I'm not seeing it... I'm not seeing what laws might have been broken... So tell me, what do you think it is?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
The depths of parallel construction have now entered into the realm of fantasy for the FBI. Their source is some anonymous hacker that is supposedly the author of some code the FBI conveniently "discovered" who also just happened to turn himself in to the FBI who have no actual jurisdiction in Ukraine. Lol wut
> Accepting material help from foreigners in a political campaign.
What part of the US Code is that in exactly?
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
> I generally prefer to determine if a crime was committed by the outcome of the trial.
The funny thing about that is that you need a FUCKING INDICTMENT first. That means you SPELL OUT EXACTLY what crime was committed and by whom.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
You are not even trying here. It took all of 1 minute to track down the actual law. And if I can do that without too much effort with just a single google search you might want to go back to the Fox News forums and let them know not to go to Tech websites where we can actually RTFM when asked.
The law you're "looking" for is US Code 441 section e paragraph a. Abbreviated in many places online as: U.S.C. 441e(a)
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/...
Which states the same thing that has been repeated many times on actual fact based news channels and websites:
441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals (a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly,
to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution
or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering
communication (within the meaning of section 434(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in
subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
So the parts you want to re-read are where they mention the illegality of giving, receiving, or asking for things of value from foreign nationals to aid in the election.
) Human Kind Vs Human Creation
) It'd be interesting to see how many humans would survive to serve us.
As I replied to your original post but you're still asking questions I'll link it here as well:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/...
Section e Paragraph a
Quoted above but the basics are that it's illegal to solicit, offer, or accept anything of value by a foreign national to help an election.
So there's the law.
It's also been cited in previous court cases in case you're wondering. And the judges summarized it pretty well in those cases as well. Just look online.
http://www.politico.com/static...
is a good example of a 2002 case.
) Human Kind Vs Human Creation
) It'd be interesting to see how many humans would survive to serve us.
*Sorry, 2011 case that references the 2002 law.
) Human Kind Vs Human Creation
) It'd be interesting to see how many humans would survive to serve us.
US code 441 e
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/...
441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals (a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly,
to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution
or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering
communication (within the meaning of section 434(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in
subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
) Human Kind Vs Human Creation
) It'd be interesting to see how many humans would survive to serve us.
https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86-non508.pdf
Penalties for Inaccurate or False Statements
The U.S. Criminal Code (title 18, section 1001) provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony which may result in fines and/or up to five (5) years imprisonment. In addition, Federal agencies generally fire, do not grant a security clearance, or disqualify individuals who have materially and deliberately falsified these forms, and this remains a part of the permanent record for future placements. Your prospects of placement or security clearance are better if you answer all questions truthfully and completely. You will have adequate opportunity to explain any information you provide on this form and to make your comments part of the record.
This article cites some of the applicable laws: http://www.politico.com/magazi...
US code 441 e
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/...
441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals (a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful forâ"
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly,
to makeâ"
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution
or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering
communication (within the meaning of section 434(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in
subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
If there were financial records to prove this it would have been plastered on every network and all over the 'net by now and you know it.
I'm no fan of Trump. IMO he has no real and solid ideological nor political beliefs or principles, beyond those of a rich NYC real estate developer.
He may be dirty, he may not. But what's happening is not an impartial look at facts & law. In fact, the shitstorm of obvious bullshit and false accusations that are being detonated about every single thing Trump says or does, or hell, anything anyone dreams up that he maybe might do/have done will actually *HELP TRUMP GET AWAY WITH IT IF HE **IS** GUILTY*, FFS!
If he's broken the law, you're damned straight I want his ass prosecuted! Don't go fucking it up with all this bullshit, you idiots! Think beyond your nose!
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Donald Trump colluded....
By committing what crime(s)?
I've never had anybody actually explain what crime was committed by Trump or his Campaign here. I've heard a lot of people claiming that there was a crime or multiple crimes, but nobody can point to any actual laws that they think where broken,. I dare you, come up with an actual law that got broken by Trump or his Campaign related to the Russians...
1) Donald Jr. attended a meeting with the intent of getting campaign assistance in the form of Intel from the Russian Government. This arguably violated campaign finance law. It's not an open and shut legal argument, but it isn't absurd either, and that he tried to get the info from the Russian government is abundantly clear.
2) Multiple members of Trump's campaign have been caught omitting foreign contacts from security clearance forms, in violation of the law.
3) Multiple members of Trump's campaign have been caught concealing payments from foreign governments, spawning money laundering investigations.
4) Trump's Attorney General (also a member of his campaign) lied to congress while under oath during his confirmation hearing.
5) IF Trump and/or his campaign conspired with Russian agents in the DNC hack, or in how to spread the contents emails they knew were hacked, then they're involved in a criminal conspiracy.
6) There's a lot of Russian money and investment flowing through Trump's business empire, it's possibly one of the only things that saved him from bankruptcy. It's extremely speculative, but it opens up the doors to money laundering, bribery, and a whole lot of shady things that might affect Trump personally.
7) Mueller has gotten a grand jury together, he clearly has some very specific crimes in mind.
what crimes did the Russians commit that had any affect on the election?
Are you daft? Were you in a coma last year or did you just forget about the months of coverage about Podesta's emails and the DNC hack?
How on earth is he doing this? Firing Comey? Asking him to let Flynn go? Is that all you got or is there more? You do realize that neither of these things had any affect on your supposed investigations.
You don't actually have to be successful in obstructing an investigation to be guilty of obstructing justice.
You also heard that Comey admitted that Trump wasn't under investigation before h was let go, under oath, after his departure, before congress. There is no obstruction here.
Obstructing justice on an investigation of your associates, and investigation that may grow to include you, is still obstruction of justice.
Also, the sky is blue.
Donald Trump's behavior is the literal definition of treason.
Only in your contrived "Trumped up" accusations of criminal activity by Trump would this be Treason. EVEN IF he did what you claim, you are claiming that what he did meets the Constitutional definition of Treason? LOL.. I think you are nuts..
I'm with you on this one, the literal definition of treason requires a state of war.
I stole this Sig
Clinton accepted huge donations from Chinese sources during the 1996 campaign and was forced to return most of them post-campaign.
Imagine Trump firing Rosenstein for appointing a special counsel. That's a fair summation of the Clinton administration's response to this.
And you wonder why we hate Clintons - most of you probably don't even remember this shit, and this was only the nth of the sleazy Clintons had been up to.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
The DNC refuses to turn over the server to the FBI for investigation and someone dates to claim that Trump is obstructing justice. Let me guess, it's Trump's fault that over 30,000 emails on Hillary basement server were deleted and bleachbit erased. Just more Trump obstruction there. Truly Deranged.
Ok.. So which law is this? If you find one, there are a couple of other campaigns which may have some legal issues too.
Patriotic Citizens don't pick Party over Country. Keep deflecting.
How is this something that Clinton didn't do, with the Clinton foundation?
The Clinton foundation is for charity, it is not an election campaign fund. Paying any election-related activities, or anything at all that benefits the Clintons, from the funds of the Clinton foundation would be illegal, and would get the foundation into trouble with the IRS.
This is not theoretical, Donald Trump's charity did get into trouble with the IRS for this exact violation: see http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ru...
Oh please. Impeachment and removal are political decisions by elected officials. They are not legal deliberations by an impartial jury. Never in the history of the United States has a President been removed from office, (no matter how blatant the abuse of office or the obstruction of justice). And if you think a Republican Controlled Senate is going to remove a Republican President any more than a Democratic Controlled Senate would vote to remove a Democratic President - you are delusional. At this point even if your fairytale comes true and they find solid evidence it wouldn't matter. This entire thing started with a debunked opposition research paper paid for the Democrats and the public knows it. They already got caught faking it to many times.
You need to come up with a new 'Trump isn't going to be my President for long' fantasy. This one is all worn out.
"By committing what crime(s)?"
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366
> I generally prefer to determine if a crime was committed by the outcome of the trial.
The funny thing about that is that you need a FUCKING INDICTMENT first. That means you SPELL OUT EXACTLY what crime was committed and by whom.
They are not at the stage of a trial yet. They are now investigating whether or not a crime has been committed, and if so what the indictment would read like. All extremely standard operating procedure.
Yep, he's both a far left wing communist colluding with Russia, and a far right wing Nazi both at the same time.
Truly only a billionaire could afford to buy and wear so many hats...
You can never know everything, and part of what you do know will always be wrong. Perhaps even the most important part.
One aspect: Accepting material help from foreigners in a political campaign. The foreigner was an agent of a semi-hostile foreign government
Russia is our ally. One one the few that matter.
When did Trump do that? I'm legitimately curious.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Lord knows slashdot has run enough stories about racism, sexism, etc they felt the need to go back to the fake russian hacking... I mean "collusion" for a minute. Anything to meet that daily anti trump quota eh slashdot? Hopefully trump does a mean tweet and we can get another brief reprieve from from the identity political bullshit.
I'm not even a big supporter of trump but the endless bitching about him is so contrived and ridiculous. News for nerds, stuff that matters!
Perjury and obstruction of justice. There's enough there to take him down.
By that measure, multiple Democrats would be guilty also. See the "dossier" and Democratic party members who colluded with the Ukraine to dig up dirt on Paul Manafort.
Because they would have to charge people in both parties, you simply won't see it happen. On the 1 in a trillion chance they do make such a charge, it would be on a toady that actually did the handling of information and cash that would be guilty. Hillary and Donald would be free of any such charge.
Contrary to popular belief, Politicians really are not dumb. They all come from Law school and know how to play the game.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Well I wish Profexer the best of luck and hope he isn't found dead like so many who cross the Kremlin Mafiocracy.
You have nothing. Nothing you listed is illegal, and everything you have listed seems normal for a transition team and business people. Why no stink with Obama met with dozens of foreign agencies before he was even elected, let along after he won? Ignoring history makes you look really dumb to most of us.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Good you pointed out the law Clinton broke with the Clinton foundation. Again what law was broken by Trump that actually has proof beyond vague rumors. This has been going on for more than a year and there is still nothing. Not only that investigators are starting to resign from Mueller's team.
Are you alleging that Trump directly colluded with a foreign government, or that someone under him did? Will be Hillary be charged with Treason if Alexandra Chalupa is charged with colluding with a foreign government? Much more evidence that happened, but that doesn't change the question.
14 months after these allegations started there is still no evidence that Trump did anything wrong. I see a few very weak allegations based on anecdote that Flynn or Manafort did, but there are 0 (Zero, goose egg, nada) charges pending for either of them. That is after at least 12 months investigating Manafort and 9 months investigating Flynn.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
according the buzz that seems to be circulating. But I'm sure that can be covered up by the FBI...
This is an even more pathetic defense.
The "the country which attacked your democracy isn't an enemy" goes a step further to allege it's legal to collude with a foreign adversary's attack on your country, as long as what some paperwork to officially declare them an enemy hasn't been filled out?
Seriously treason isn't just illegal - it's wrong. What does it say about you that you hide behind pedantic nonsense to claim that the country which has attacked and is attacking America is not an adversary?
Patent Lover's post deserves mod points, whether you believe any of this happened or not - the article spells out the legal specifics regarding what's being investigated quite well.
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The foreigner was an agent of a semi-hostile foreign government
The only government semi-hostile to the American people is the U.S Government. Case in point, the populous don't know what is in the intelligence intercepts.
Russia is controlled by Vladimir Putin's far right government.
Like... are you seriously so misinformed that you think Vladimir Putin's far right government is in fact a left wing government, even though communism has since Putin's rise been replaced with right wing dictatorship and kleptocracy?
Vladimir Putin is a proud fascist, which is part of the reason anti-America republicans side with his puppet "Moscow Donald" against their own country.
Politifact calls that false.
Cloning servers for forensic purposes is standard practice I believe.
It's interesting that the usual Russian trolls have left it up to the a/c's this time. Are they on borscht break or don't they like being laughed at?
Seriously.. how much of a traitor would you have to be to claim that Russia is our ally after they attacked our democracy and while they continue to attack our country?
> We aren't talking about Clinton. She LOST GET OVER IT
If people actually got over it, we would not be talking about the Russians at all. That snowball started with Clinton's Russian comment in a debate attempting to deflect from the uncovered election collusion with the DNC.
If we really cared about Russian interference, and was not about Clinton vs Trump then the supposed hacked server would have been handed over to the FBI, right?
And if we really cared about election interference, we would look at the Debbie Wasserman, as she interfered directly undeniably in the election as shown by the Russian Leak.
Showing support for Nazis is literally "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" which is the legal definition of treason.
When you say there are "very fine" Nazis, you are showing support for them. Trump said exactly that.
Anyway, there is a pretty sizable investigation by an Independent Prosecutor going on right now. Subpoenas. Grand juries. Let the process run it's course and then let's revisit this discussion, ok?
You are welcome on my lawn.
He may be dirty, he may not.
This is right up there with "there may be good people among the alt-right neo-Nazis". How many eyes do you need to close to not see that Trump is and always has been dirty? From the Trump University scam to the 1980's cancellation of permits to build Trump Casino in Sydney because of demonstrable mafia connections, there is plenty of dirt on this guy for anyone who has their eyes open to see. And why won't he release his tax returns?
> I generally prefer to determine if a crime was committed by the outcome of the trial.
The funny thing about that is that you need a FUCKING INDICTMENT first. That means you SPELL OUT EXACTLY what crime was committed and by whom.
Feel free to continue reading my comment past the first few words and you'll find the part where I talked about that stage of the process.
as if some random hacker would just be given all and any such information, had there been any. They extradited this guy on bogus charges, and are now telling him he can either lie for them, or spend the rest of his life in an American federal prison.
He will say whatever lies they want, and what's worse, the dumb Americans and average internet dweller will believe it.
"Not only that investigators are starting to resign from Mueller's team."
Hmm, if that's true, it worths a separate investigation, why.
Any sudden deaths too?
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So then how is it possible for Israelis to contribute to campaigns if foreign nationals aren't allowed a right to contribute?
This is right up there with "there may be good people among the alt-right neo-Nazis".
WTF are you talking about? Are you really that fucking deranged with hate?
Lighten up, Francis!
It's precisely "idiots" (from OP) like you comparing Trump to Nazis/Hitler that the poster you replied to was talking about!
Do you fucking want Trump to get away scott-free if there are real, actual crimes he's committed?
Whose fucking side are you on!?
Modern Russia doesn't even claim to be communist or left wing. It's definitely fairly socially conservative, even by American standards. Its economics seem to be more of a kleptocracy than anything that really fits clearly on a left-right scale, but what it has definitely leans right.
can still have happened
They want to believe.
And to think they talked so much shit about birthers.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
Or at least about as coherent as it gets in the news these days.
Donald Trump colluded with Russia's attack on our democracy and continues to cover up Russian crimes.
Donald Trump continues to obstruct investigations into Russia's election hacking and refuses to protect our country against Russian attacks.
Donald Trump's behavior is the literal definition of treason.
I know you think you mean something but not really. Here is the literal definition of treason under U.S. Law
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States .
---18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
It isn't even treason under the common usage of treason but that's another matter.
The best you might get is an FEC violation or possibly espionage. If you are going to get upset about election code violations well that's a can of worms I would be more than glad to open but!!!, Bill, Hillary and Barack almost certainly wouldn't. I'd be happy to see them all in Jail with GW Bush the only one on the outside laughing.
Of course your link only goes on to describe how the actions are likely criminal, just not a crime called "collusion".
dom
Cause I know your questions, fi you choose to ask them.
The answer is:
1) Collusion
2) Espionage Act
3) Money Laundering
4) Obstruction of Justice
Morally it is having a President who is an agent of Russia, our greatest enemy, betraying Americans.
I think that about sums it up.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Too many of my fellow Americans have lost their mind, just because Trump won. I didn't vote for him, but at least I didn't fall for this Russian BULLSHIT, which we ONLY have the word from CrowdStrike -- a "private" company the DNC and has ties to Clinton -- that "MAYBE" the RUSSIANS did it. FOR FUCK SAKE PEOPLE! The real collusion and crimes are with Clinton and the DNC. But we need to get Trump out, so let's just blame him for the DNC/Clinton's bullshit...
While i am left leaning, I am no apologist to either the Clintons or Obama.
Having said that, many Dems are apologists, as are *ALL* Republicans I have ever met (I would love to meet one who ISN'T, but anyone who lists R as their party sure seems to, no matter the conduct, legal matters, or proposed bills being discussed.) This is one of the two major tragedies of the past election (The other being Bernie selling out and supporting Clinton rather than jumping to the Green Party ticket and trying to establish a 'funded' 3rd party for the next election.) Our system is getting worse because everybody is too busy looking at the next 4-8 years instead of looking at the bigger picture and what is necessary to dilute the centralization of power continuing to happen in US politics by ensuring, even if they don't win, that enough third parties are eroding votes from the Democrats and Republicans to ensure that future votes will have a better chance of actually representing the peoples will, whether left leaning or right leaning, and hopefully eventually learning to institutional reform, so that for instance, greater than 51 percent of the population has to vote for a candidate for them to become president (The most ignored detail of this past election was that neither candidate had over 51 percent of the vote, meaning neither was actually a popular candidate for a majority of americans. Maybe the final numbers were different, but the numbers I saw were ~48 percent of the vote each, give or take a half percent, with about 4 percent having voted for 3rd party candidates. None of which were enough to ensure said candidates will get federal funding or televised viewship opportunities during the next election, both important factors to having 'dissenting voice' candidates available in future elections.) Furthermore this past election acting as a final form of polarization of the two political parties into essentially rabid sports teams, ignoring misconduct of their own players while ranting about the misconduct of the other side's... even after they have already won/lost.
How convenient, let's just ignore the very person who's campaign is responsible for this Russian-conspiracy-bullshit.
No hacking, NO COLLUSION... STOP wasting our time, tax money, and get back to fucking work fixing our country... I'll probably get modded down though, because it appears that Media Matters have their narrative-army out in full force trying to make sure their lies get modded up and the truth modded down.
Yeah, well... If Trump has nothing to fear, he should not be afraid, should not interfere, and should let the matter follow its due course. Then if no evidence against him can be found, or if irrefutable evidence to the opposite can be found, his case will be based on so;id "Roman quality" concrete for posterity. If all he can do is try to interfere, well.... Being president is not about winning every verbal fight every hour, not matter the cost to your own causes. Far form it.
How is this something that Clinton didn't do, with the Clinton foundation? I find it questionable if any president in the last 2 decades hasn't accepted donations by foreign nationals...
How is that a defense for Trumps actions?
You can't accuse me of murder because someone else also murdered a guy!
"Everyone else is doing it!" is the defense that a badly raised 10-year old would use.
Thats the question he wont respond to.
"His name was James Damore."
That would be investigator, note the singular and stop talking out of your ass. We do not know why he stepped down, could be anything, just use your imagination, it doesn't seem to know any bounds.
Ah, the ominous Deep State reference, a conspiracy theorist's nightly wet dream. The only way for you to be free of that shibboleth is for all civil servants to be fired every 4 years. That will work wonders for a functioning government with no institutional memory of how anything works...but maybe that would make you happy.
The only thing preventing Trump from "doing things" is his own incompetence. Maybe he'll be able to restart the Civil War, now that would be something he could do.
fake news.
fake hacker.
fake evidence.
fake case.
let's lock Hillary up over her private email server (that created her own vulnerability in the first place), and then we'll talk Trump.
Russia hacked Hillary's illegal IT platform that the U.S. gov earned her about on repeat; not the gov, not the dnc, Hillary got hacked.
had Hillary followed the rules in the first place a) she might have won the election or b) at least she wouldn't have been hacked and we might not be talking about Russia at all.
Hillary doing illegal things and fing up is why things are so bent on the news today. and she's not even president. imagine that.
Brian Krebs has a blog post today claiming the NYT is incorrectly attributing these claims.
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/08/blowing-the-whistle-on-bad-attribution/
I want him to get a chance to tell his story. There are probably a lot of people who wouldn't, people with the power to make bad things happen.
The Clinton Global Initiative took millions in foreign aid during the election and was labelled a charitable organization for global outreach and support, taking advantage of laws that benefit non-profit charitable NGOs. The right claimed it was a pay-to-play political operation but there was no proof.
Sorry, but I don't see the problem here. How can spending (supposedly US) foreign aid through a charity be 'pay-to-play'? Nobody is buying influence in US politics that way; the flow of money is simply wrong for that. Conceivably foreign aid could be used to buy influence in another country, but I doubt that is what you're complaining about.
Then she lost the election and The Clinton Global Initiative was immediately shuttered, with all funds being dumped into the Clinton Foundation.
Ok. So?
Never mind the million dollars Russia gave Clinton at a key moment to sell a large percentage of our uranium reserves to Russia at an incredibly low price. If anyone is colluding with Russia it was her.
I never heard anything about this beyond Bengazi-level conspiracy theories, but if this is true I hope it is investigated just as much as the accusations against Trump are.
Spin it all you want. Evil is evil.
I try very much to keep this as factual as possible. I stated some facts about the Clinton foundation, the Trump foundation, and US law.
If they are a semi-Hostile foreign government why did Hillary sell half of our Plutonium to them ?
I didn't realize we were at war with Russia.
>I've never had anybody actually explain what crime was committed by Trump or his Campaign here.
Collusion, duh. Not that you'll find any sort of US Code violation for "collusion," but that doesn't stop the left. See, in their world, it's not about rule of law, it's about rule by outcome. They know Trump is guilty of...something...which is why they keep throwing anything and everything, hoping something sticks in the minds of the (R) Congress members they would need to lock in an impeachment.
>LOL.. I think you are nuts..
That's the general problem here. The left is operating like a cult, with all the features inherent, including dissociation from reality.
Story of Clinton taking BRIBES from RUSSIA to set STATE DEPARTMENT POLICY. Its pretty cut and dry textbook definition of corruption. This is an older story, the total amount gained by the Clintons was about $145 million, at the time of this story only about $7 million of it was publically known.
Being an ignorant bitch and yelling "BENGAZIIEIIAIEIA!" when outright corruption at the top level of the government shows you don't care about "your people" following the law as long as they are using it to attack people you don't like. Scum like you are the problem with this country.
So...accepting campaign donations from foriegners, then? Cuz............yea, thanks to the hack, we know who did that.
>This article cites some of the applicable laws:
The cases there are really, really weak.
And none of the them rise to the level of treason.
The money or thing of value is something of tangible monetary value, not something of generic use like information.
Not defending Russia here...but, you act like the US doesn't undermine every other country's elections (including Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Italy) whenever it suits us.
http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/
Bullshit.
Well at this point it doesn't matter what the legal experts on Slashdot think. Now it matters what the grand jury thinks.
"Don't go fucking it up with all this bullshit, you idiots!"
"+5, Insightful"
I have to give serious props, here.
How many others on Slashdot can call people posting here 'idiots' and still earn a '+5 Insightful' moderation with no down-mods? Epic.
So jelly...
As far as it is known it is Democratic party that was seeking material help from Ukraine to find dirt on Trump. There is zero proof that Trump did any collusion with Russia.
ALL of the above applies to Mrs. Bill (the rapist) Clinton, not the Donald.
Where are the indictments?
How many people has he fired over the Russia story?
Nothing like a massively broad generalization to attempt to portray a narrative, followed by a speculation based on 3rd party opinion instead of facts or the subject being attacked with this rhetoric.
Manafort was fired after a short stint on the campaign. Manafort having been in Ukraine, and Trump firing him to an independent observer looks like Trump didn't want people with potential ties to Russia on his team. Further evidence of this can be found in documents given to the various committees where a guy kept trying to setup meetings with Russian officials and both Manafort and Trump refused any meetings.
Flynn, like Manafort had a problem with visibility. Having been in Turkey and on RT the firing looks like Trump did not want people with potential ties to Russia. As with Manafort, there is plenty of evidence to back that assertion.
Sally Yates was fired because she _refused_to_do_her_job and played politics on an issue not related to "Russia". The DOJ works for the President, and she refused to comply with the law and her bosses (yes, that is plural). Her job was to address the law, not to grandstand a Democratic position which _MOST_ Americans disagree with.
Comey was fired for lots of reasons. The particular issue of "Russia" Trump disliked is that Comey would not publicly announce that Trump was not under investigation which would have removed the narrative repeated by Leftists, Democrats, RINOs, and the media that supports them. Democrat and RINO outrage is laughable, as is any true Republican outrage. Comey was the most evil man alive and cost Hillary the election and a _majority_ of voices in Media and Politics called for his head numerous times since last summer for slightly different reason. We call this feigned outrage, and it's quite common.
You then make a claim about Mueller which is based on what? Tea leaf or bone reading? Are aliens beaming you info, or the extra voices in your head telling you things? Perhaps all of those things from third parties in your religious party so you believe them? I can only suggest that you consider medical treatment for your delusion.
Instead of playing the fallacy logic game, how about you use real logic and critical thinking. Give me _FACTS_ which show President Trump, or anyone on his team, committed a crime. After over a year of investigation by the FBI including numerous individual investigations, numerous Senate and Congressional committees running for upwards of 8 months, and independent investigation for 6 months, there are 0 charges and 0 evidence presented which even hints at wrong doing let alone crimes being committed.
If you were smart, you would be pissed at politicians and media outlets for lying to you repeatedly and generating hysteria over those lies. Sadly people are not smart, which is why the media continues the narrative. Dummies keep falling for it.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I only deleted yoga emails, FBI determined she deleted work emails
I did it to only use 1 device, FBI determined she used 14 devices
I didn't have classified information in emails, FBI determined there was classified information in emails
My lawyers went through all my emails, FBI determined she didn't
The above are all clear cut examples of perjury. In addition she deleted 30k emails, destroyed 14 email servers, and the FBI determined many of them were work related after they were subpoenaed by Congress. That is clear cut obstruction of justice.
So we are ignoring text book cases of perjury and obstruction of justice, to persue your claims that you have no evidence of for a completely different person.
Nice to see you are a partisan hack with no interest in being honest.
Technically it says "other thing of value".
Implying that it must be a *thing*
Does performing a service qualify as a "thing"?
Except the definition of treason states that treason is helping an enemy during wartime, so even if there was some kind of "collusion" it would not be the "definition of treason".
Is that just your personal opinion, or do you have a court precedent to back that claim up?
Exactly.. But one has to add the following.. The democrats are using this to obstruct and delay by diminishing Trump's appeal and are hoping this translates into gains in the midterms and hopefully gives them a chance at retaking both Congress and the White House in 2020. It's politics of the scorched earth kind. They are playing a dangerous game and I think it's going to backfire.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Yea, but he's doing what he can with that phone and pen, which is pretty much all Obama could do without Congress' help as well. Seems he's undoing a lot of Obama's policies, you just don't know about it because the media is obsessed with being critical of him in order to sell advertising with their latest "bombshell" story about Trump.
Personally, I blame Congress for most of the issue here, but hey, you can blame Trump if you like (or if it suits your political purposes)
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Please read the following blog post for a full and complete review of how and why this NYT article is totally flawed:
http://www.robertmlee.org/russian-election-meddling-grizzleysteppe-and-bananas/
This sounds an awful lot like what people said about Clinton during the election. Proof of the current accusation being true please!
Oh, I did understand. Read it again while giving the benefit of the doubt that I do understand, and you'll have a better chance at comprehension.
And all these questions are ones I already answered above. If you could read, you'd know that.
Define and defend weak in legal terms. Show the laws that discuss why violating US law is okay if it is weak. Please, help me to understand why a nation of laws is only a nation of laws when some think it's a string crime. I have a couple of thousand immigrant friends that would love to read more about the hypocrisy in the nation of laws that allows some to violate the weak ones.
Last I checked, the Ukraine and Russia were practically at war. I'm not sure how the involvement of a Ukrainian automatically means a Putin managed it.
Showing support for Nazis is literally "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" which is the legal definition of treason.
Seriously? Got to trump up such nonsense to bludgeon Trump with? He doesn't support such groups, never has and likely never will. Of all the ridiculous charges to make. Even a cursory review of Trump's public statements on such things makes it clear you are obviously wrong.
Haven't you figured out yet that the media isn't telling you the whole truth here? Certainly the democrats are lying about Trump for political purposes. Yet you blindly accept what they say? Sad...
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Then... Why is it not rational to not demand that somebody come up with a plausible theory that is based on actual law?
Until somebody comes up with some actual criminal theories falling out of actual law, investigating is nothing more than a witch hunt. This "We KNOW he did something wrong, we just don't yet know what it is..." Doesn't fly with me, is impossible to discuss or investigate such blanket claims. Not to mention that such claims are basically unfair on their face.
But that's where the democrats are on all of this... They know for sure something criminal happened, but they cannot tell you what it might be only that it must be investigated! This is by design endless investigations and innuendo for political purposes. They are not interested in finding truth, quite the opposite because they know the truth doesn't help them, this is about keeping the investigations flowing to keep up the "Trump did something wrong" narrative for as long as they can..
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Blarney, is the proper, polite word for your questions. You are full of Blarney.
There used to be an old saying, "Alcatraz is full of innocent men." Meaning, if you asked them, they would all claim innocence. The key was in not asking them.
Of course Trump claims innocence. All guilty people do (with rare exceptions and Trump certainly isn't an exception). The Nixon Administration claimed innocence too, for as long as they possibly could.
It's less important whether Trump activities with the Russians rise to the level of criminal or not. This is one of the things Trump supporters are desperate to hang on to, but at the level of the Presidency, criminality is actually a secondary matter. If Trump did anything, anything at all, that was politically beyond the pale, he's finished as President. Colluding with the Russians may come down to that.
Where's the proof? Trump is hiding the proof, as all guilty people do. Either that or he's the worst liar in Presidential history.
If the Clinton Foundation doesn't involve itself in politics, it doesn't fall under that law. It uses words like "election" and "political" and "electioneering".
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Don't worry, Trump is doing his best to alienate everyone outside his core group of supporters, who are really loyal, and not numerous enough to win elections.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Someone posted laws that show that most foreign influence in US elections is illegal, and it's illegal to solicit any such. From what I've seen, it's plausible that the Trump campaign cooperated with Russia to influence the elections in illegal ways. Trump did ask Russia for Clinton's emails, which could be illegal under USC 441, parts of which were posted by another, but even if that were technically a violation I can't see it being prosecuted. We'll know more when the investigation is concluded.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Dnc was not hacked. Facts show that hack was fabricated by some in the dnc, to offset the damage from all those Facts in the Podesta emails.
And, adults know the emails were not hacked, tbey were provided by someone who worked with our traitorous goverment scumbags.
Wake the fuck up you retarded sheep.
So you want him to roll over onto his back and show his belly to persecution by those that hate him solely for the fact that he won an election.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
US code 441 e https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/...
441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals (a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for— (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make— (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election; (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 434(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
OK, So we are talking about something valuable and tangible, money, donations a roll of film, something you can point to or hold in your hand or a service you can identify and say "Here, this is the item(s) given that has value". Correct?
Now, I assume you already have an idea what item(s) of value where given or received. Tell us what that was.
Now, if you are talking about items in paragraph C, it's not Trump's issue if the Russians did any of these things. Reading paragraph (2) clearly excepts the stuff in "C". The only way Trump (or an associate being directed by him) can violate this law is by accepting anything in paragraph A or B, which basically boils down to money or things of value (such as office space, office machines, long distance phone service and such). So is your item in that list? If not, we are done.. If so, then what evidence do you have that it was solicited or accepted?
BTW... Don Jr's meeting with a Russian lawyer does not constitute evidence of this. Everyone at the meeting agrees that nothing changed hands, no information was given no promises made by either side. Unless you have some kind of proof that they are lying or something that shows something changed hands, it's a wild theory and nothing more...
Also, by this statute, Trump is only at risk if he asked for, received a donation of a service, money or item that has tangible value to his campaign. Trump (or his campaign) had to know about it. If a foreign national does stuff in paragraph C, Trump (or his associates) didn't break the law.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Trump did ask Russia for Clinton's E-mail.... For Pete's sake, that was a JOKE during a debate. I don't suppose Hillary thought it to be a funny one, but I sure did. Trump slammed her pretty hard on this topic, and those E-mails will never be found at this point because Hillary had them destroyed.
So... Did Russia cough up said E-mails? Um, nope. Actually, Russia didn't... I know, you are thinking the WiKi Leaks E-mail leak was this very thing....Sorry that would be wrong. The E-mail from that source where from the DNC's E-mail system and NOT Clinton's lost 30,000 E-mails Trump joked about the Russians having...
So... What are you claiming happened here? Trump jokingly asked for E-mails but never got them.... And this is a problem how?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
I've heard this observation before... During the primaries.. Then again during the general election.... I not so sure it was right back then, along with the "he has no path to 270" observation which was obviously wrong.. Perhaps it's still wrong? I wonder..
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
>Define and defend weak in legal terms.
Weak as in insufficient to get a prosecution unless someone goes jury shopping, and almost certainly too weak to secure a conviction.
Why? Because there is no tangible evidence that anything of value was exchanged. Every single public claim has evaporated under scrutiny. Even the Don Jr. story was that he met with a Russian woman in exchange for information on Hillary Clinton that never was delivered - and even if useful information had been delivered, you would have to establish that it had *value* in a monetary sense. And then, even then, you have to contend with things like Al Gore taking cash donations (and admitting it) from Chinese government officials back in 1996 where there was no prosecution or conviction to see how significant the Federal government takes "crimes" of this nature. And then you'll have to reconcile the prosecution of Don Jr. with the non-prosecution of Alexandra Chalupa on behalf of the Clinton campaign, whose involvement with foreign nationals on behalf of Hillary Clinton was much more overt than anything Don Jr. did.
From TFA: "Ukrainian police did not provide details on the individual in question, including his name, but said he is living in Ukraine and has not been arrested. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE the individual worked for Russian intelligence."
From other articles in Ukrainian and Russian press - hacker made it very clear that he was NOT working for Russia. Moreover, he only created the malware, he didn't attack any American server.
I'm starting to think that Slashdot stopped being news for nerds and became a swamp of low-end political "news".