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Ask Slashdot: What Would You Pay To See Open Sourced?

jbrase writes: It's in the interest of the open-source community to make open-source development as profitable as possible. One potential means of making money from open source is crowdfunding, [but] proprietary vendors aren't likely to be enthusastic about using their flagship product to try out a relatively untested business model. Crowdfunding the open source release of legacy technologies of historical significance could provide a low-risk way for vendors to experiment with making money by crowdfunding: The product has already turned them a profit.

With that, I'd like to ask Slashdot readers, what would you pay to see open sourced?

Slashdot reader jonwil left a comment suggesting old games ("where the game is no longer being developed/worked on and where the engine/tech is no longer being used for anything"). But the sky's the limit here, so leave your own best answers in the comments. What would you pay to see open sourced?

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  1. Photoshop by pestilence669 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... no, Gimp is not an adequate replacement.

    1. Re:Photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:Photoshop by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... no, Gimp is not an adequate replacement.

      GIMP 1.x was social experiment intended to test how far people would go to use an application. They ended quietly ended the experiment after avid GIMP fan was found in another GIMP user's apartment by police after a neighbor reported gruesome screams. The developer had been cutting off the fingers of there users who did not utilize every keyboard shortcut for GIMP. Shortly thereafter the GIMP 2.x series was released with an improved GUI that was just good enough to not drive people insane. The results of the experiment were recorded and they pushed forward on their new larger social experiment: GNOME 3. The intervention of outside parties improving Gnome 3 was unforeseen and ruined the experiment. However, the project was revived by a the Nazi scientist, Lennart Poettering. Project "EWONTFIX" continues to this day a scale greater than ever before. ;)

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    3. Re: Photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And apply the same to Photoshop. Coming at both from the perspective of an absolute novice, I found GIMP's easier to figure out.

    4. Re:Photoshop by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it would be much better if any camera company funds gimp development

      A decent Photoshop replacement should not use Gimp as a starting point. It has the worst UI I have ever seen. It is legendary for being unusable. Someone once joked that they took a book full of bad UI design patterns and used it as a "how to" guide. But there is no way that is true since Gimp has many bad UI "features" that appear no where else.

      Gimp is a classic example of what goes wrong with OSS projects when the developers have no financial incentive to care about their users.

    5. Re:Photoshop by tsa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can't expect a 3D modeling program to be as 'simple' as Photoshop and Gimp and the like. Introducing that extra dimension while still using a 2D screen just opens a big can of worms concerning the interface.

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    6. Re:Photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      3D modelling goes way beyond simply adding another dimension. You've got textures, materials, shaders, lighting, environment maps, bump/normal/parallax maps, UV mapping, specularity and diffuse maps, boning/rigging, etc. etc. It's FAR more complex than working with just simple 2D media.

    7. Re: Photoshop by Camembert · · Score: 2

      There is a gui option that makes Gimp rather photoshopish, it's quite ok.

    8. Re:Photoshop by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Someone once joked that they took a book full of bad UI design patterns and used it as a "how to" guide. But there is no way that is true since Gimp has many bad UI "features" that appear no where else.

      I like the UI. It makes much, much more sense if you have a focus-follows-mouse (or better sloppy focus) based Window Manager as was popular on UNIX when gimp was in its infancy. Apparently the gimp developers agree with me that this is the way, the truth and the light and they keep making a user interface which I like.

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    9. Re: Photoshop by siege72 · · Score: 2

      I had the opposite experience. I used GIMP for years, and even as I gained experience it felt like the UI was fighting against me. I switched to Windows and purchased Photoshop (CS5); I was immediately more productive on a new piece of software than I ever had been with GIMP. I (jokingly?) consider my $10/month Photoshop subscription to be a protection fee, so that I don't have to use GIMP again.

    10. Re: Photoshop by corychristison · · Score: 2

      You clearly have no idea what Creative Cloud is....

      It's the entire Adobe collection of "Creative" applocations. Including, but not limited to, Photoshop, Illustrator, Animate, Acrobat (pro), etc.

      It is very loosely coupled to a cloud storage service, but you do not have to use it.

    11. Re: Photoshop by mooterSkooter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. I've only ever used GIMP for simple graphical stuff (used to be backend web dev and sometimes tinkered with images instead of asking the 'pros' to do it in PS). Everything I needed to do (resize, cut bits n bobs, move stuff around) all was easy to do. I tried the same in PS and was like "dunno how to do anything". I think PS'ers complain about GIMP because they're not used to it. Same as Windblows users who 'can't use' linux because it's 'too hard'. It's just different.

  2. BeOS by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Insightful

    BeOS

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    1. Re: BeOS by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      OpenVMS before that.

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  3. Windows 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    M$ lock-in is the worst thing about Windows 7. It's a great desktop OS in most ways. I paid $300(AUD) for it anyway - it would have been nice to pay $300 for it to be free instead.

  4. Picasa by RoscoeChicken · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nothing else currently available on Windows comes close.

    1. Re:Picasa by johannesg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Totally agreed. Hey Google, how about it?

  5. Nvidia Drivers by ARos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nvidia sucks.

    1. Re:Nvidia Drivers by skids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, drivers, drivers, drivers, firmware, firmware, firmware. And full chipset documentation for no-longer-commercially developed hardware.

  6. The source code to slashdot by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh wait. Too close to home?

    1. Re:The source code to slashdot by sconeu · · Score: 5, Informative
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  7. Easy by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Informative

    macOS

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  8. I need to bitch slap some chickens... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    A modern version of Dungeon Keeper 2.

  9. Re:Windows by TemporalBeing · · Score: 2

    You can't avoid it yet, but if it was oss could finally make wine work more reliably...

    Wine doesn't work reliably b/c they haven't ever focused on a single version of Windows and gotten that right before moving to a new version. They always try to mimic the latest release. They can change their process and probably get full compatibility sooner by actually focusing on the APIs available in a specific release of Windows. Win7 would probably be a good target right now; Win8/8.1/10 wouldn't be hard to add after that - again, one at a time - since the deltas are smaller once the base is completely there.

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  10. Cell Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Top to bottom, we should have a DRM-free open-source cell phone, including hardware and software.

  11. Re: Obviously by nasch · · Score: 2

    If that were why they got sued they would have lost. They got sued because Oracle saw them making a bunch of money with Java and wanted some.

    Am I internetting right?

  12. AutoCAD by digitect · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are no open source CAD softwares capable of producing the drawings used in architecture, engineering, design, and manufacturing. Yet, that same, expensive proprietary package continues on with the same performance hogging, unstable, fluff enhanced software that hasn't really changed in 15 years.

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    1. Re:AutoCAD by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      FreeCAD works for me. I especially like scripting in Python. AutoCAD uses Lisp for scripting, but it is buggy and not included at all in the "lite" edition for students.

      Even if AutoCAD was free, I would prefer FreeCAD.

  13. CorelDraw! by pcjunky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Should be easy as they ported to Linux several years ago.

  14. Games that need a central server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any game that customers paid for that requires a central server that the parent company shuts down after a couple years, bricking the game. Seriously, this shit should be illegal, but it's growing..

  15. Demcratic elections voting infrastructure by evanh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems to me to be an obvious first port of call. The weak points become well documented so also become well protected. Couldn't get a better demo of the security obtained.

  16. BrlCAD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it was good enough for the army...

    The only bad part about it is that it is a total pain to build on linux. Older versions UI was literally from either the 70s or early 90s, and it has a high learning curve.

    Latest versions even include gcode solvers for end to end design, modelling, and gcode output.

    That said, AutoCAD or 3D Studio Max would be awesome just for exporting the Star Trek ship models available into another format. It really sucks how all the coolest ships are only in max format so anyone unwilling to pirate needs to spend thousands of dollars just to open/render/reexport them. :(

  17. My country's future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would like the future of my country to be decided by the people and in the open. No more back-room dealing and secrecy.

  18. I'd pick OS/X.. cuz why not by cmorgan503 · · Score: 2

    I know that not all of OS/X is opened sourced beyond Darwin (unless things has changed in the last few years when I last looked). Surprised no one brought up OS/X so far.

  19. Re:Maya. by Frobnicator · · Score: 2

    Maya

    Be grateful there is a substitute today. I'm one of the old fogies who helped get Blender freed up. At least today there is one substantial 3D tool open.

    I'd put several tools and technologies far before Maya. Consumer routers are probably top on my list, particularly from the companies where the only option is the locked-up corporate version.

    I love my FTTP gigabit connection's speed, but the only option is AT&T in my region, and since 2015 that has been a mandatory eternal rental. No purchase option, no other devices can be attached, no choice of box. All customers have a mandatory rental fee which cannot be escaped, and no other equipment can be used. The closest I can come is attach my own device to the gateway, but it lives behind their locked-away gateway no matter what.

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  20. Clippy! by darkain · · Score: 3, Funny
  21. Google Assistant by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

    In imagining the future computing world, I've always imagined it would include personal AI assistants. I never imagined that they wouldn't be running directly on my home computer and accessing the net as my proxy.

    I believe the most critical open source need today is a strong AI assistant. Missing it is like missing the addition of Linux to open source.

  22. Adobe Flash by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have no interest in building or running the software... but I imagine reading the code comments would be hilarious and enlightening.

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  23. AppleScript by myid · · Score: 2

    AppleScript. I absolutely need AppleScript.

    Apple has paid so little attention to AppleScript, at least in public recently, that I'm concerned that they might stop including it in macOS some day. I sure hope not.

    If they do stop including AppleScript in macOS, I hope they'll open source it, so that people who need it can keep on using it.

  24. Winamp and Picasa by johannesg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After reading the other article, why not open source winamp? Surely it would be more useful than it is rotting away... Same for Picasa.

  25. Old/dead things I would pay to see as open source by jonwil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1.ZTree. Its a clone of the old XTree file manager for dos except ZTree is a 32-bit Windows app with support for a bunch of windows things (copying to the clipboard, long file names and more). I use it all the time because it has ways to do things that would require a lot more effort to do using other methods and it would be good to see it updated to modern standards (e.g. make it 64 bit, add more features, stuff like that)

    2.C&C Renegade from Westwood Studios. I have been reverse engineering C&C Renegade for more than 15 years and I probably know more about the internals of the game than anyone else on the planet at this point but there are still many holes in my knowledge. Having the original source code to Renegade (and the level editor, 3ds max export plugin and other tools) would allow all the mysteries of the engine to be sorted out once and for all.

    3.Other C&C games from Westwood Studios and EA. Having the source code to the older games (C&C1, Red Alert 1, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 2 and maybe Generals) would allow the people who have been reverse engineering (or trying to reverse engineer) those games to stop doing that and work with the original code instead. Source code to console ports of the games (e.g. the Nintendo 64 port of the first C&C) would also be great to see.

    4.LEGO Mindstorms RCX. I own the original yellow LEGO Mindstorms RCX brick. I would love to see the complete source code for everything that runs on the device as well as the complete source code to the drivers and software so it can be made to work on modern operating systems (Windows 7 in my case).

    5.WinAmp. I still use it as my audio player of choice and if whoever owns it doesn't plan to continue development, opening it up and letting someone else take over would be nice.

  26. Google Pagerank by Nuitari+The+Wiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think Google Pagerank is what defines what most of us see whenever we search for something on the web. Being such an important gateway between someone and the information. Does it have biases? How much censorship does it do ? How many false positive happen for the spam filtering? and so many other questions.

  27. Not quite correct by gillbates · · Score: 2

    Painter here. Yes, that kind of painter.

    While a poor painter may blame his brushes, a good painter knows that he's no better than the brushes he uses. A great deal of painters try to imitate Bob Ross with poorer quality paints and brushes (i.e. something other than the Bob Ross branded paints and brushes), and only end up frustrated. I'm one of those - Bob's knife techniques simply don't work with acrylics. He eventually comes around to mentioning this in one of his episodes, but that's years of time under the bridge.

    I spent several years painting with "traditional" oil paint brushes, using acrylics, and ended up very frustrated with the limitations. But a few years ago, I discovered golden taklon brushes, and it was the difference between night and day. There are simply things you can't do with hog hair brushes, and no amount of skill will compensate for that.

    There are a lot of amateur artists who remain amateurs, I suspect, because they don't have sense enough to buy good quality art supplies. They think, "If only I were skilled enough, I could do this right," instead of, "If I want the results of a great master, I have to use the same tool a master uses..." And sadly, they often give up, thinking they lack some fundamental talent necessary. More often than not, it's a matter of time and materials rather than talent.

    Think of it another way: most of us could write in assembly if we needed, but why would we do that if C/C++/Java was available? If we insist on having the best tools available, why wouldn't a painter do the same?

    And I have tried GIMP. Yes, I could use it for painting, but why? I'd spent less time doing it the traditional way, on canvas.

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