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Paul Allen Finds Long-Lost World War II Cruiser, the USS Indianapolis (usni.org)

An anonymous reader quotes the US Naval Institute News: Seventy-two years after two torpedoes fired from a Japanese submarine sunk cruiser USS Indianapolis (CA-35), the ship's wreckage was found resting on the seafloor on Saturday -- more than 18,000 feet below the Pacific Ocean's surface. Paul Allen, Microsoft co-founder and billionaire philanthropist, led a search team, assisted by historians from the Naval History and Heritage Command in Washington, D.C., to accomplish what past searches had failed to do -- find Indianapolis, considered the last great naval tragedy of World War II.

"To be able to honor the brave men of the USS Indianapolis and their families through the discovery of a ship that played such a significant role in ending World War II is truly humbling," said Allen in a statement provided to US Naval Institute News on Saturday... "I hope everyone connected to this historic ship will feel some measure of closure at this discovery so long in coming"... Allen's 13-person expedition team, on the R/V Petrel is in the process of surveying the full site and will conduct a live tour of the wreckage in the next few weeks. They are complying with U.S. law and respecting the sunken ship as a war grave, taking care not to disturb the site.

Paul Allen has shared some photos from the discovery on Twitter.

The ship had delivered components for the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima just four days before it was sunk. Only 317 of its 1,197-man crew survived, making it the worst at-sea disaster in the history of the U.S. Navy.

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  1. USS Arizona was worse by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Interesting

    From TFA: Only 317 of its 1,197-man crew survived, making it the worst disaster in the history of the U.S. Navy

    1197 - 317 = 880 dead

    1177 died on 12/7/1941 on the USS Arizona.

    So the USS Indianapolis was not the worst.

    1. Re:USS Arizona was worse by Scutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So the USS Indianapolis was not the worst.

      It's not a contest.

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    2. Re:USS Arizona was worse by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      I'd say the whole Pearl Harbor thing is the worst naval disaster.

    3. Re:USS Arizona was worse by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not a contest.

      But someone was wrong on the Internet!

      Anyway, TFA doesn't say it was the "worst disaster in the history of the U.S. Navy". That incorrect factoid appears to have been fabricated by whoever wrote the summary.

    4. Re:USS Arizona was worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The USS Arizona was in port, whereas the USS Indianapolis was at sea (engaged in a combat mission).

    5. Re:USS Arizona was worse by Prien715 · · Score: 2

      making it the worst at-sea disaster [emphasis mine]

      The Arizona was docked at the time. The water was so shallow her superstructure was above water after she sunk.

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    6. Re: USS Arizona was worse by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      So where does pain and suffering put us,

    7. Re:USS Arizona was worse by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Have you ever heard of this ship?

      I was not aware that German military transports were part of the US Navy - you learn something new every day!

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    8. Re:USS Arizona was worse by Hartree · · Score: 1

      "Have you ever heard of this ship?"

      Yes. The grandfather of my teacher for German class was a survivor of it. (He was a German medic who was one of the passengers.)

      He never got back on another ship for the rest of his life.

    9. Re:USS Arizona was worse by Daerath · · Score: 1

      Correcting a mistake doesn't make something a contest. Facts do matter.

    10. Re:USS Arizona was worse by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And you "tie up" to a pier. You don't fucking dock your ship at a pier.

      Unless it's a space dock. Then you certainly do want to dock your ship, come aboard the station and gamble some money at Quark's.

    11. Re:USS Arizona was worse by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      And you "tie up" to a pier. You don't fucking dock your ship at a pier.

      A ship ties up to a pier or a wharf. Piers run perpendicular to the shoreline. Wharfs run parallel to the shoreline.

      Neither a pier nor a wharf is a "dock". The dock is the water next to a pier or wharf. The ship ties to a pier, while it sits in a dock.

      At least, that is what I learned in boot camp.

      There are also "dry docks" and floodable docks like the dock on an LSD.

      Disclaimer: I once spent 8 weeks on an LSD. But as a Marine, I was considered part of the cargo, not part of the crew. Semper Fi.

    12. Re:USS Arizona was worse by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      True, but what the Slashdot summary that you are responding to said was this:

      No it didn't. I pointed out the mistake, and the summary was later corrected.

    13. Re:USS Arizona was worse by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Well said.

    14. Re:USS Arizona was worse by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      Sultana, 27 Apr 1865. 1547 dead (depending on who you talk to). A civilian ship, but hired by the Army to ferry POWs home. Maybe not combat, but could still be considered a military mission taking place during war (The war between the states didn't end until May 1865). It's all in the definition. Regardless, none of these examples detract from the (unnecessary) loss of life on the Indianapolis.

    15. Re:USS Arizona was worse by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      She was returning. She wasn't part of the "right" navy, however so they didn't care that she was missing which is why so many were lost. The whole way it was handled was wrong. Of course the Navy brought in the guy that sunk the ship to help convict the Captain in his court martial. Didn't matter what he did, that Jap captain would have had him. Text book shot.

  2. War grave - do not disturb. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    The ship is considered a war grave and protected by various country-specific laws. Unfortunately, "scavengers ain't got no respect."

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    1. Re:War grave - do not disturb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      18000 feet is 5.4 km deep - VERY deep. I don't think the tech exists capable to disturb it.

    2. Re:War grave - do not disturb. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yeah! If only they hadn't disturbed the wreck, those people could be alive now!

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    3. Re:War grave - do not disturb. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Allen's 13-person expedition team [...] will conduct a live tour of the wreckage in the next few weeks. They are complying with U.S. law and respecting the sunken ship as a war grave, taking care not to disturb the site.

      How do you do a live tour of the wreckage without disturbing it?

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    4. Re:War grave - do not disturb. by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      The tech exists today to disturb any site under the ocean - maybe not delicately explore or salvage, but we can disturb the hell out of anything, anywhere in the ocean, and send live video back while it's happening.

    5. Re:War grave - do not disturb. by dwye · · Score: 1

      18000 feet is 5.4 km deep - VERY deep. I don't think the tech exists capable to disturb it.

      But surely we still have plans for the Glomar Explorer, if we needed to rebuild it?

  3. Re:Screw the soldiers by fabriciom · · Score: 2

    If I remember correctly there have been various European countries that have done this before. Greek's Alexander, Roman empire, Spanish empire, English empire, etc. etc. etc.

  4. Total classic. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    Guess where it was... behind the sofa. ;)

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  5. Re:Screw the soldiers by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2

    Hey asswipe, don't you need to go plant some flowers at Auschwitz, Srebrenica or along the Berlin Wall?

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  6. Re: Screw the soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you don't like someone, say they're a Neo Nazi, the Internet will handle the rest.

  7. The Best Part of Jaws... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Indianapolis monologue by Robert Shaw in "Jaws" was the best scene out of the whole movie. I was always fascinated by that story. Nice to see the story of the USS Indianapolis concluded 42 years after the movie.

    1. Re:The Best Part of Jaws... by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      That scene is the sum of what I know about the Indianapolis and the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the story. Robert Shaw had a great presence in that movie. "Jaws" also had Roy Scheider with the classic line "We gonna need a bigger boat".

      Years ago I was on a Universal City Studio tour where we saw an animatronic shark from the movie. It looked so fake. I was embarrassed to think back on how scared shitless I'd been when I first saw the movie.

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    2. Re:The Best Part of Jaws... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Where did you get the idea for your post?

      While at the bus stop after my gym workout. I did a search for "Jaws", found no reference and posted my comment. Only later did I saw that someone posted a reference to the novel without using the title. I seriously wonder how many people knew that Peter Benchley was the author of "Jaws," or that he had a cameo in the movie as the television reporter on the beach. The link regarding the Indianapolis monologue was worth the five point moderation. :P

    3. Re:The Best Part of Jaws... by dwye · · Score: 1

      You were scared because the shark was so fake that they didn't use it more than absolutely necessary. Thus, you saw your shark in your mind, which was probably more terrifying than any real shark.

  8. Re:https://www.al-awa2el.com/taif-clean/255-carpet by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Is that flying carpet cleaning? Sadly, I have no flying carpets around.

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  9. You can find plenty of graves in Europe by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a European, I'm sick and tired of American aggression ... I would like to indicate my displeasure for American military aggression by traveling to the United States and urinating on the graves of soldiers.

    You don't have to travel to America, there are plenty of American soldiers buried on the continent of Europe. They died so that you have the right to make your childish, myopic and ill-informed "statement".

    1. Re:You can find plenty of graves in Europe by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I think Russian soldiers might want a word with you concerning the question who had to bear what burden of that victory... if dead people could talk.

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    2. Re:You can find plenty of graves in Europe by drnb · · Score: 1

      I think Russian soldiers might want a word with you concerning the question who had to bear what burden of that victory... if dead people could talk.

      Russian casualties had a large part to do with the incompetence of Russian generals, generals picked for loyalty to Stalin rather than military competence.

      Russian soldiers were also able to endure and ultimately be victorious due to American supplies. Food for soldiers, high grade steel for the manufacture of T-34 tanks, aircraft for busting German armor and logistics.

      The Russian soldiers also did not fight to liberate the continent of Europe. They fought to replace one mass murdering despot with a different mass murdering despot. They fought to claim a portion of eastern europe as vassal states to Russian. This includes allying with Hitler at the beginning of the war to split Poland between Germany and Russia, and to define agreed upon spheres of influence in eastern europe where Germany and Russia would have control. Russia was complicit with Germany in the start if the war, the invasion of Poland. The Russian alliance with the Nazis persisted until Hitler betrayed Stalin and invaded Russia.

      Yes the individual Russian soldier suffered greatly, both due to the Nazis and due to Stalin. While being forced into being the tools of Stalin for the above, their personal motivation were to defend their homeland and exact revenge on the Germans. Unlike the western allies whose soldiers also had motivations of restoring democracy to occupied nations.

    3. Re:You can find plenty of graves in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Russian casualties had a large part to do with the incompetence of Russian generals, generals picked for loyalty to Stalin rather than military competence.

      That is true, but only part of it. One would be the large part of it was the simple fact that the vast majority of the German army was on the eastern front, where they did their thing for years before any Americans showed up to take all the credit.

      The second large part would be the absolute ruthlessness of the Soviet generals. May I present you with the following quote from Georgy Zhukov: "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there."

      Russian soldiers were also able to endure and ultimately be victorious due to American supplies. Food for soldiers, high grade steel for the manufacture of T-34 tanks, aircraft for busting German armor and logistics.

      Again, true, but supplies themselves does not kill the enemy, nor do they bleed or have suffering families. Besides, it's not like the Russians didn't produce anything themselves. Allied aid probably tipped the scales, but it actually wasn't like they were completely empty-handed on their own.

      The Russian soldiers also did not fight to liberate the continent of Europe. They fought to replace one mass murdering despot with a different mass murdering despot.

      Kind of beside the point. They were there and thanks to them the Nazis were defeated, and the Allied were saved an immense amount of bleeding.

      They fought to claim a portion of eastern europe as vassal states to Russian. This includes allying with Hitler at the beginning of the war to split Poland between Germany and Russia, and to define agreed upon spheres of influence in eastern europe where Germany and Russia would have control. Russia was complicit with Germany in the start if the war, the invasion of Poland.

      I think the technical term was "buffer zone". A for the rest, regrettable but welcome to the "realpolitik" of the early 1900's. Not that different from how old school colonialism was conducted, only closer to home. N.B that the Allies did the same thing at Jalta selling off large swaths of Eastern Europe to the USSR... so get off your high horse.

      The Russian alliance with the Nazis persisted until Hitler betrayed Stalin and invaded Russia.

      True, but I fail to see how that relates to the soviet soldiers as such. They still suffered and died in droves to defeat the German army. If they had had a wiser leader, less of them would have died, but that's on him, not them.
       

      Yes the individual Russian soldier suffered greatly, both due to the Nazis and due to Stalin. While being forced into being the tools of Stalin for the above, their personal motivation were to defend their homeland and exact revenge on the Germans.

      Agreed. Not sure how that lessens their burden though, which was what the parent was talking about.

      Unlike the western allies whose soldiers also had motivations of restoring democracy to occupied nations.

      Conjecture. If I may offer a bit of my own, their motivation above every other was to get home alive, like any other soldier apart from the true fanatics. Restoring democracy was a motivation for the politicians, mostly to create a reliable counter balance to the USSR.

  10. Re:Screw the soldiers by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Without the US, there wouldn't have been any Berlin Wall. However, even with the US, there was still Auschwitz.

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  11. Re: https://www.al-awa2el.com/taif-clean/255-carp by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    It's as much fun to bite as it is to troll.

  12. Re: https://www.al-awa2el.com/taif-clean/255-carpe by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Let me send you a genie

  13. War graves can be visited by drnb · · Score: 1

    Allen's 13-person expedition team [...] will conduct a live tour of the wreckage in the next few weeks. They are complying with U.S. law and respecting the sunken ship as a war grave, taking care not to disturb the site.

    How do you do a live tour of the wreckage without disturbing it?

    You don't enter the wreck, you stay outside. You do not remove anything from the site, you take photos/video.

    1. Re:War graves can be visited by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Take photos?! They're going to steal the souls of those poor soldiers!

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    2. Re:War graves can be visited by dwye · · Score: 1

      Sailors, you damned lubber!

    3. Re:War graves can be visited by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      There's non-military sailors too, you know. I call anyone enlisted to wage war a soldier. It doesn't matter if he fights underwater, on the water, on the ground, in the air or in space.

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  14. Re:I'll never put on a life jacket again. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Someone set us up the bomb.

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  15. Re:Screw the soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As a European, I'm sick and tired of American aggression. It is ruining the world, and it's time we put an end to it. I would like to indicate my displeasure for American military aggression by traveling to the United States and urinating on the graves of soldiers. If enough intelligent Europeans join me in this protest, perhaps we can show the Americans just how repugnant their aggression is to the rest of the world.

    And guess what? If you want to piss on the graves of US soldiers, there are 100,000 US soldiers buried in Europe - where they died for YOUR freedom.

    I notice you didn't post this in German or Russian.

    YOU'RE FUCKING WELCOME!!

  16. Re:In the words of the late great Robert by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I never liked the book. Mostly because I saw the movie years before I read the book. I wasn't thrilled with the subplot of the chief's wife and the biologist having affair, the wife hiding the black panties in the hamper, and the biologist getting killed at the end (which he thoroughly deserved for not keeping his pants zipped). That was so 1970-ish. Seems like every novel from that era had someone cheating on their spouse.

  17. Re:Screw the soldiers by Shazatoga · · Score: 1

    America was attacked by Japan, how is this an example of American aggression?

  18. The real enemy by fnj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The disgusting part of this disaster was the way the US Navy persecuted Captain McVay, railroading him in a court martial with trumped-up charges shown to be nonsense by testimony of the Japanese sub captain, and finally driving McVay to suicide. He was the final victim, 24 years delayed. It took an act of Congress to force the Navy, kicking and screaming, to finally clear his record of all findings of wrongdoing, 56 years too late.

    The mismanagement of the stupidly, needlessly, and literally carelessly delayed search and rescue of survivors, as day after day drifting in the water dehydrating, starving, going mad, and being picked off by sharks, is also a huge part of the disaster. Something very similar happened at the Battle off Samar, in which hundreds of sailors from a small group of destroyers and escort carriers, after being pulverized by a huge Japanese battle fleet, were also left to drift for days, with many needless drowning and shark bite deaths.

    1. Re:The real enemy by Deadstick · · Score: 2

      Wow--after all that trolling, quibbling and backbiting, somebody shows up who reads things past the first paragraph. You must be an old fart like me.

  19. Re:Screw the soldiers by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're feeding a troll, people...

  20. Re:Screw the soldiers by davester666 · · Score: 1

    Exactly. Europeans hate it when someone else gets in on their thing. They hate sharing with others.

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  21. Re:Screw the soldiers by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    I think you'll have trouble finding enough intelligent Europeans to even consider making an impact. Three or four just ain't going to cut it.

  22. Re: Fine, we'll stay home by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    A practitioner of Islam, you stupid fuck.

  23. Re:Screw the soldiers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    America was trying to strangle Japan to halt its expansion. You needn't drop bombs on a country to wage war with it, provided you can tell half the world to not do business with someone.

    For reference, see Cuba.

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  24. Re:Screw the soldiers by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

    If I recall, there wasn't a US involved at that time. The US withdrew from the world after WW1 (see G. Washington's recommendations), and had to be dragged kicking and screaming (and have a major naval base shot up) to return. May still have been an Auschwitz/etc., but that's another speculative history project.

  25. Re:Screw the soldiers by Bartles · · Score: 1

    If the US had stayed out of the Great War, all of Europe would be speaking German today.

  26. Re: Screw the soldiers by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    We have an authentic genuine nazi, George Soros. The internet doesn't seem to care. He'll even tell you that the best years of his life was when he was with the nazis. Just check out his 20/20 interview, he says that. We don't need to look at Confederates, we have an actual living scumbag right there. However it seems he has a lot to do with their funding.

  27. Re:Screw the soldiers by Talderas · · Score: 1

    Why bother coming to the US? There's a far more readily accessible graveyard of American soldiers in Colleville-sur-Mer, France.

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  28. Re:Screw the soldiers by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

    Complaining about American aggression on a story about WWII? Hmm. I wonder which side you'd have been on.

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