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Does the World Need Polymaths? (bbc.com)

Two hundred years ago, it was still possible for one person to be a leader in several different fields of inquiry. Today that is no longer the case. So is there a role in today's world for the polymath -- someone who knows a lot about a lot of things? From a report: Bobby Seagull's fist-pumping and natty dressing, and Eric Monkman's furrowed brow, flashing teeth, contorted facial expressions and vocal delivery -- like a fog horn with a hangover -- made these two young men the stars of the last University Challenge competition. [...] They're still recognised in the street. "People often ask me, do you intimidate people with your knowledge," says Monkman. "But the opposite is the case. I have wide knowledge but no deep expertise. I am intimidated by experts." Seagull, like Monkman, feels an intense pressure to specialise. They regard themselves as Jacks-of-all-Trades, without being master of one. "When I was young what I really wanted to do was know a lot about a lot," says Monkman. "Now I feel that if I want to make a novel contribution to society I need to know a great deal about one tiny thing." The belief that researchers need to specialise goes back at least two centuries. From the beginning of the 19th Century, research has primarily been the preserve of universities. Ever since, says Stefan Collini, Professor of Intellectual History and English Literature at Cambridge University, researchers have labels attached to them. "They're professor of this or that, and you get a much more self-conscious sense of the institutional divides between domains of knowledge."

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  1. Jacks-of-all-Trades original quotation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Re:Jacks-of-all-Trades original quotation by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Troubleshooters often need wide ranging interdisciplinary knowledge.

    2. Re:Jacks-of-all-Trades original quotation by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The most valuable people often have deep expertise in TWO fields, so you can apply the knowledge of one to the other. For instance, if you are very knowledgeable about both GPU programming and fluid dynamics, you are going to make a lot of money.

    3. Re:Jacks-of-all-Trades original quotation by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Polymaths are not "Jacks-of-all-trades". They are masters of many trades. They have incredible breadth and depth on several subjects, and are therefore incredibly rare. Due to the expanding volume of our collective knowledge, they are becoming even more rare.

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    4. Re:Jacks-of-all-Trades original quotation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see this with lawyer/IT combinations. They actually know their stuff when it comes to compliance, especially the incredibly Draconian laws Europe is doing, which conflict with each other (data retention for the police, as well as data purges). A lawyer who can actually crank out GPOs to do the job right is worth tens of millions.

      Plus, there is no such thing as an unemployed lawyer anyway.

    5. Re:Jacks-of-all-Trades original quotation by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Informative

      MBA / EE is a killer combo.
      JD / EE is another one.

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    6. Re:Jacks-of-all-Trades original quotation by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The big problem is people stop after the first part, to make someone who considers themselves as a jack of all trades.
      As an MBA and Computer Scientist I can deal with the business folks and understand their issues and translate it to the Devs so the project doesn't seem stupid. Then also take all the Tech talk from the Devs and give a good business explanation to keep the project going.
      I am perfectly able to take full reigns from either side and keep things going. Even if I may not be able to do either job as well as the specialist I can do both good enough to hold my own.
      Sometimes this does make me two faced. Promoting the quality of the work to the execs giving them a wowing demo. Then going to the Dev team giving them a list of things that are wrong needing to be fixed. And normally if they can't do it or don't have the resources I'll jump in and do it myself.

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    7. Re: Jacks-of-all-Trades original quotation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Issac Asimov ....

  2. Yes, of course. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Otherwise we get people who are VERY specialized in a singular field, but completely myopic.

    Then they either:
    a) don't see the connections between their field of study, and others -- kind of a silo effect
    b) have a high level of expertise in one field, and can speak with authority on that topic, but foolishly believe that it carries over to everything else.

    (this is also why liberal arts educations are a good thing, and STEM majors tend to be incredibly dull people. ;) )

    1. Re:Yes, of course. by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hm. Most of the STEM graduates I know are fascinating peoplw, creative problem solvers and artists in their media, be it metals, glass, electronics, plastics, whatever.

      Most of the liberal arts majors I know are self absorbed know-it-alls, unable to look past their own interests.

      But that's just my experience.

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    2. Re:Yes, of course. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      I feel the same as both perspectives, honestly.

      I pull from a hell of a lot of different fields to explain anything, and yet I'm always looking for people who are experts in something I don't understand. I'm a great sysadmin and systems engineer because I understand a lot about how computer systems work from top to bottom, and so see everything as an outcome of known quantities interacting in easily-recognized ways; yet I'm not Andrew Morton, I'm not a programmer, I'm not a computer scientist, and I lack a huge depth of understanding in every part of the field of computers. I can solve problems in a general sense a lot faster than many people who are far beyond my knowledge and skill, and yet I don't have the knowledge and skill to implement solutions without those people.

      I want to potentially reorganize the Social Security Subcommittee of the Congressional Ways and Means Committee into a Social Insurances Subcommittee, because Social Security is myopic. The SS Subcommittee focuses on OASDI and a few other small matters; whereas I designed a universal Social Security policy that reorganizes OASDI, TANF, WIC, SNAP, and HUD to provide benefits to more Americans with less net transfer, resulting a permanent guarantee of Social Security's solvency, an end to homelessness and hunger, and a $1 trillion reduction in tax burdens on the American people and American business. It's a finance, accounting, and economics problem—in none of which am I a field expert.

      There are spreadsheets with year-by-year models (some cells have notes). I've checked through directly adjusting the finances; I've measured the cost of FICA and adjusted it to 15% of all income to see if that costs the same as my projected transfer (the rough estimate is some $30 billion off---out of $2,183 billion); and I've tinkered a bit with what each income quintile pays in and what each gets out, although I actually need CBO data to accurately make those projections (a very rough look suggests that even 2/3 of what the richest quintile pay into this system goes right back into their pockets, although once you get up to the top 0.1% they're paying a lot more than they get back). The money's definitely not coming out of nowhere.

      I've seriously considered trying to get some NASI members to work with me on this, and maybe lobby them for a nomination so I can join NASI. That's a rather high honor, though; membership in NASI is no joke, and I'm presuming a lot suggesting I think I'd fit the ranks. Still, they have an entire membership committee to decide if they think I'm legit, and these people are a hell of a lot smarter than I.

      I don't look at problems as a single-field expert; I see them as analogues to hundreds of things, even to partial-body analogies which are glued together as some kind of disjunct chimera. Each piece of the machine independently performs a function similar to many other things I've known, and the pieces each interface with each other rather than with wholly-incompatible and dissimilar things they might be like. It's good to know your limits, but at some point you have to accept that there are some things you can do that many others can't--and in my case, I am damned good at solving problems represented by extremely complex conceptual systems, so long as I can identify each of the concepts as being familiar in analogous terms. Knowing when the analogy stops is critical there.

      I don't think you can get that without being a kind of universal expert; and even if you are, you can't apply yourself to 27 different fields at once. You can do one or two things very well using knowledge pulled from everywhere, and you generally can't get very far with it--but you can start down a path nobody else can even see. Bring your smart friends; you'll need them.

    3. Re:Yes, of course. by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems like not only is that anecdotal, but it's also more opinion than fact, so from a STEM standpoint, it's not a very good answer. Also, you haven't even really provided a more subjective argument that might be considered worthwhile among the touchy-feely Liberal Arts people.

      Personally, I think the grouping of Science, Technology Engineering, and Math all together as one topic is a bit of a stupid political thing. I think that grouping all of the Liberal Arts together is a bit of a weird artifact of classical education. And I've never known anyone intelligent who was entirely interested in all the associated topics covered by either one, nor completely disinterested in the topics covered by the other.

    4. Re:Yes, of course. by tommeke100 · · Score: 2

      Many STEM graduates enjoy arts and literature as well. The difference being that when choosing what to study in college they went for STEM careers. Chances are they read some Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy too.
      Obviously some Liberal Arts graduates know a thing or two about math and chemistry as well.

    5. Re:Yes, of course. by nine-times · · Score: 2

      Oh, that wasn't accidental, but there's a wonderful double-standard available to me that was originally in my post, but I edited out:

      If you bash "liberal arts majors" for not being pro-science enough, then it seems to me you should have a scientific argument in your favor. If you'd like to argue that interesting thoughts and subjective experience aren't worthwhile when compared to cold, hard facts, then you'd better have cold hard facts.

      If, on the other hand, you're on the side of subjective experience, you have the arguments of subjective experience open to you. And that's why the rigorous pro-science anti-everything-else people will eventually lose the argument. They've cut themselves off from some very powerful tools.

  3. I think I am one by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2

    I believe that I fit the description of polymath (I really know a lot about many things), but since I'm not exactly human so I do not know if my case counts.

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  4. More so now than ever by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The value of specialization is obvious to most people, but it seems that somewhere along the line people stopped thinking of the value that generalists bring.

    Aside from general utility (the reason that you are more likely to carry a multitool with you than carrying a knife, even though the knife is much better at knifing), there is a more important thing:

    Generalists are better able to see interconnections between disciplines, and how to leverage them.

  5. Re:It's what makes me valuable to my company. by gfxguy · · Score: 2

    I work for a television production studio. I started as a straightforward programmer out of college doing some graphics programs. That was over 20 years ago, and as technology evolved (and my "specialty" of programming silicon graphics workstations went by the wayside), I ended up writing tools and utilities for a variety of departments, requiring me to learn specific details about how different aspects television production works. Now I actually do very little programming, and when I do it's a different language depending on whether I'm writing a stand-alone interface, web services, and each graphics system has it's own scripting (even if they use VBS or Python, they all end up being different). I do handle the technical parts of AR, and I work with graphics operators to help them get data from 3rd parties; I have rigged up studio lighting and monitoring to be triggered by external events... I would say HR doesn't have a clue about it - my managers and the VP of my department are well aware, though.

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  6. Define "Liberal Arts" by s.petry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I majored in Math and Minored in Philosophy, at first. I ended up taking more Philosophy than I did Math and getting 2 degrees. Liberal Arts has morphed into something else today though. You can get a Liberal Arts degree without ever taking Ethics, Logic, or even more than an "Intro" class to Philosophy at most schools.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  7. Re:It's what makes me valuable to my company. by Drethon · · Score: 2

    My breadth of specific technical knowledge is what makes me valuable to my company. I'm not saying I can't be replaced, I'm saying my unique set of knowledge that covers several different needed areas would make it difficult. That makes my "specialty" the broad range of things I can do. That specific breadth makes me valuable to my company... but unfortunately, only to my company.

    Yep, good systems engineers for example may not have the depth of knowledge the guy implementing the software has, but they know enough to put the pieces together in the right order.

  8. we still need them, but now have computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We invented the desktop computer and now people who aren't very good at arithmetic can use a spreadsheet to calculate sales growth. This has made it possible for less intelligent people to step into roles that they would not have been qualified for a few generations ago. The big thing that is now missing is a real comprehension of the tasks they are performing, the ability to look at the results the computer gives them and question if they really make sense. The first effect of this is increased entropy, things become less stable over time, things that used to work don't work quite as well (for example, headphone plugs and headphone jacks have been standardized for years, but changes in the configurations mean some headphones won't work with some jacks). The second effect is corruption, people realizing that there are some gaps in the numbers on paper, and they can exploit them for personal gain (for example Defense contracts in the 1980's, where a toilet see could cost thousands of dollars).

  9. I struggle with this... by friedmud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm in my 30s and have already had a large amount of success by having a little bit of math, computer science and engineering knowledge. I've received many awards for my work (even one from President Obama at the White House)... but I'm incredibly intimidated by my peers who all specialized in either math OR computer science OR engineering. While I'm always able to put the pieces together in a novel way... which solves interesting problems... I always feel out of my depth when it comes to conversation.

    I'm currently back at school doing a PhD in yet another interdisciplinary field: Computational Science and Engineering. But this time I'm specializing in applying it to nuclear energy production. It feels good to specialize a bit and really learn something about _one_ field in particular. I still won't be the world's greatest nuclear engineer... but at least I can hold my own in conversations now.

    In addition to just feeling like I don't know much I must admit that publishing is always difficult. Journals tend to be very specialized and deciding where to send my papers or even what audience to target can be tough.

    That said: there are not too many generalists out there, so I know that my interdisciplinary skillset will always be valuable... you just have to push past that feeling of knowing "nothing"

  10. Specialization is for insects! by way2slo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects!" - R. Heinlein

    Never stop learning. Do not be afraid to try new things.

    It may not work for everyone, but I had many job offers base on the fact that I have done a little bit of everything. One Manager that hired me specifically said that the offer was based on the fact that I could be flexible and move to many positions on their team if needed. (and did so)

    However, utility player positions do not get the big paychecks. So eventually find something to focus on.

  11. Learning by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Here is the thing, I like learning. I'm now in my 50's and still learning things daily. A lot of things, about a lot of topics. I am not really an expert in any one thing, but I do know a lot about a lot of different areas. Science, politics/law, computers/electronics, art, mechanics and so on.

    I think what one knows is almost as important how deep. Broad knowledge over a wide range of areas allows one to see connections that others just can't see. I have a rare condition, and when I was told, I read everything I could on the subject. Everything. I'm not a doctor, but at least I can converse with my doctor, about my condition, and ask questions that need asking. Hell even knowing I don't know something, I can ask the question "Is there anything I should be asking, that I am not".

    But learning, life long hard edge learning is the key. Most people stop learning, and just "do" whatever they know. I get that, it is comforting place to be satisfied. I just know I am not wired that way.

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    Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
  12. Yes by MorePower · · Score: 2

    Of course we need polymaths, they're the only ones who can open the Chamber of Secrets!

    I might have mis-read the summary...

  13. Re:It's what makes me valuable to my company. by networkBoy · · Score: 2

    good systems engineers know all the default and most common fault conditions of the systems they build/maintain.
    *Great* systems engineers know all that and most of the less common fault conditions *and* know how to provide accurate debug data & questions to the developers such that an answer has a high probability of being the one you needed.
    a.k.a. asking the right question.

    It was something that I fought with all the damn time when I was at my former employer. SIs asked shotgun questions and provided no debug data, then bitched when we didn't answer the question "correctly". The good ones usually got their answers in half a day because they gave a debug dump, clear description of the problem & what was expected, and dead perfect reproduction steps.

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  14. There is a slight misunderstanding here by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being master of something doesn't mean you are the very best in the world of that field, there is only one best.

    Traditionally, in the trades a master is a person who is formally recognized by his/her peers to be equivalent enough in skill to join their ranks.

    A master's degree is the obvious equivalent to this. And there are numerous people who have gone beyond this and possess PhD's in multiple fields. A Doctor of Philosophy is an important distinction and indicates that you have contributed to a field in some way.

    If you contributed to multiple fields in a way that is recognized by the other leads of the field, I believe that is quite a fair qualification to be called a Polymath.

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    1. Re:There is a slight misunderstanding here by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Being master of something doesn't mean you are the very best in the world of that field, there is only one best.

      The concept that the only person who dares manke any pronouncement is the PhD, who has become so specialized that the know everything about almost nothing is a bad concept. I made a pretty good career out of being voraciously interested in everything. The best expert in the left wing structure of drosophila melanogaster has so refined their study that they tend to be almost infantile in all other aspects of life. It isn't good or bad - its that there is an immense value to people who can understand or be made to understand, who can then creatively move the research forward. I'vegainfully stopped projects in their tracks when the renowned experts have proposed something that I know will not work by virtue of knowing a goodly amount about multiple things.

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    2. Re:There is a slight misunderstanding here by mikael · · Score: 2

      More importantly, you need the track record of publishing papers. Then you have to be lucky that you aren't "stepping one someone else's toes" when you publish a paper. The Computer Science field is that tight. So many researchers stick to the soft psychology side of the field rather than the chewy meaty algorithms side.

      There just are so many researchers out in the field now. There are 30+ people working on the C++ standard specification, and about 3 million C++ developers.

      Go back to Greek times, and there are a documented handful of people researching mathematics (Aristotle, Archimedes).

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    3. Re:There is a slight misunderstanding here by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      It takes ten years to get to the forefront of most fields (that is, getting a PhD, with perhaps an extra two years to spare). Doing it the second time is not a huge problem, and takes 6 years (or 4 years if the field is related).

      If you're willing to work at it, you can do that several times by the time you are 40, and have a long time to apply that knowledge in life. It's just a matter of whether you want to do it or not.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  15. They don't believe when you are by Theovon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am an expert and well accomplished in software engineering, digital circuit design, computer graphics, CPU architecture, and several other things. One time I had a recruiter tell me I should write one software and one hardware resume because companies won't believe that I could be good at both. Even after I'd had like 15 years of experience. It just shows you how cookie cutter hiring practices usually are.

    On the other hand after I had been working as a professor for a while, these combos came in handy to get side work as an expert witness. I guess it's okay after your reach some level or amount of experience.

  16. Re:It's what makes me valuable to my company. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3

    HR departments don't. I got hired for one job.

    However my breadth of knowledge is what kept me employed through layoffs. Having an engineer that can be a technician is cheaper during crunch time than an engineer and a technician. Two is obviously better, but in a furlough the guillotine comes down where it does.

    It also helps to make friends across different parts of the company. IT likes me because unlike most of my engineering peers I know the basics. It means when I ask for something done on the side I have a better chance of getting it.

  17. Re:We need meta-level polymaths by presidenteloco · · Score: 2

    Further to this, I was having a discussion about this sort of thing in the cafeteria a while back. We were talking about how primary/secondary education should look, and I was saying how learning to parrot back specific knowledge was pretty useless, cause the google-web voice could do it better. They should be learning/practicing about learning (and synthesis) itself. How to gather and use available resources whatever the topic. etc. etc.

    I opined as how I was pretty handy at google and could become an instant pseudo expert on whatever topic as needed, from fixing my bike's pneumatic disk brakes to the etiology, presentation, and different recommendations for treatments of shoulder ligament partial-thickness tears, to different takes on the phenomenon and meaning of quantum decoherence. etc. etc.

    So one colleague now greets me as "Hey, It's instant-pseudo-expert" guy! I guess I had that coming.

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    Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
  18. wow by TimMD909 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Betteridge's law of headlines fails for the first time...

  19. Re:It's what makes me valuable to my company. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Decent generalists (competent in many areas in their specific field) are somewhat rare, let alone true polymaths (expert in several fields). That means they are hard to find and recruit, plus they are somewhat hard to test, so most HR depts avoid creating job openings for them like the plague. They'd prefer to hire 5 other guys to do the same job at much greater expense, if those 5 fit their cookie cutter job descriptions. Same goes for managers, they prefer to manage interchangable resources rather than people. (Yes, there are some managers and HR people I respect, but I have very little respect for these professions as they are generally taught and practised)

    The exception seems to be working in innovation (which is not at all like thinking up cool shit with a bunch of other neck beards in a hipster office with a foosball table and an office cat, by the way). Being a generalist there can be a real asset, and a polymath even more so. But even in innovation (in larger organisations), it's not that often that the need for good generalists is recognized up front.

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  20. Re:It's what makes me valuable to my company. by JohnFen · · Score: 2

    It's good to hear that there are still HR departments who acknowledge the utility of this sort of talent.

    Lots of companies value this. I highlight my own cross-competencies on my resume, and in interviews I tend to point out examples of how my knowledge in one area has enhanced my work in different, apparently unrelated areas. It never fails to impress.

  21. Re:It's what makes me valuable to my company. by mikael · · Score: 3, Funny

    We once had some cosmetology students visit our Astronomy lab on an open day. I guess they didn't read Cosmology and Stellar Modelling correctly.

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  22. Renaissance Man by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 2

    I prefer the term Renaissance Man from a time when luminaries dabbled in everything. Having a broad range of knowledge makes you a better leader because you don't get tunnel vision. It allows you to see connections between various subjects and to come up with ideas that are greater than the parts. If deeper knowledge is required, you hire someone who has that particular skill.