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iPhone 8's 3D Face Scanner Will Work In 'Millionths of a Second' (phonearena.com)
According to a report by the Korea Herald, Apple's upcoming iPhone 8 will ditch the fingerprint identification in favor of 3D face recognition, which will work "in the millionths of a second." PhoneArena reports: The Samsung Galaxy series were among the first mainstream devices to feature iris recognition, but the speed and accuracy of the current technology leave a lot to be desired, and maybe that is why current phones ship with an eye scanner AND a fingerprint reader. The iPhone 8, on the other hand, is expected to make a full dive into 3D scanning. Both Samsung and Apple are rumored to have tried to implement a fingerprint scanner under the display glass, but failed as the technology was not sufficiently advanced. The new iPhone will also introduce 3D sensors on both its front and back for Apple's new augmented reality (AR) platform. This latest report also reveals that Apple will not use curved edges for its iPhone 8 screen, but will instead use a flat AMOLED panel. The big benefit of using AMOLED for Apple thus is not the curve, but its thinner profile compared to an LCD screen.
now police wont even have to physical force you to unlock the phone they can just point it at you gg apple
I'm not enabling that in a million years. Oh, and beyond the cops, some thug you shoots you dead can point it at your corpse and unlock too? Yeah, fuck that.
Lets see I have reading glasses, long distance , Various sunglasses and protective glasses. I wonder how it will go with all those possibilities ?
Your'e all thinking it, I just said it for you
or your face. Some of us would rather not remove our motorcycle helmets every time we want to check our phones.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
And thank goodness the AMOLED screen means the device can get thinner - if there's one thing we need, it's a thinner phone.
I can't tell you how many times I've had my iPhone 6S in my pocket and thought "wow, this phone is just SO heavy and SO thick, I really hope I can drop $1200 on something thinner soon".
#DeleteChrome
But it's hard to believe. Apple sold ApplePay to banks and card companies based on the security of their fingerprint scanner. Fingerprints have a hundred year history of being a means of unique biological identification. Facial recognition has a few years of history marked by some successes and some embarrassing failures.
Are banks and card companies just going to automatically OK a change like that? It's hard to believe.
Easier to believe they got the in-screen fingerprint scanner to work. Synaptics keeps claiming they have that technology and it works.
Just enroll your face with helmet on. Of course the Stig will be able to unlock your phone, but otherwise it should solve the problem!
I've been wondering what to do with all those write protect labels I've got for my 5 1/4" disks.
What they should do is use that saved space for more battery. Even better, have an option for a 2-3mm thicker backing with battery being all that.
So, if I'm in an auto accident, or I trip and fall face-first into the sidewalk, or if I'm assaulted and have a broken nose, a black eye and blood on my face, will the "facial recognition" still unlock my phone and let me call the cops?
Facial recognition for anything really urgent sounds like a REALLY bad idea.
millionths of a second, to be precise.
Assuming it has to gather light, i'd be very surprised if the sensor will collect enough info in a millionth of a second to get any idea what I look like. I'd also be surprised if a few thousand clock cycles is enough computation to decide if I am who I am.
If I wanted a quick unlock mechanism, i'd go with some sort of RFID in a wrist band that if you are wearing would allow the unlock without pin, as this seems pretty simple understandable technology which is already available.
So, if I'm in an auto accident, or I trip and fall face-first into the sidewalk, or if I'm assaulted and have a broken nose, a black eye and blood on my face, will the "facial recognition" still unlock my phone and let me call the cops?
Facial recognition for anything really urgent sounds like a REALLY bad idea.
Yes and people invented such scenarios to decry the use of fingerprint scanners to unlock your device. The idiots of the world still seem oblivious to the reality that if you can't use the fingerprint scanner for whatever reason then you type in your passcode instead, likewise if you can't use the facial recognition or don't want to use it then you type in your passcode instead.
From what he says I'd say either Syria or the USA.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
No. It has no macro lens.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Erh... I don't know about the US, but phones in Europe MUST allow calling emergency services even when locked. In other words, if you find a phone, dialing the local equivalent of 911 must be possible, provided that thing has battery. No matter whether it's locked, or in what way it is locked.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This time you won't be holding it wrong, you'll be looking at it funny...
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
I wondered the same thing. First it's not even possible in the sense that it takes longer than a microsecond to collect the light for the image. But ignoring that, I suspect that the process is highly parallel and highly local in pixels so perhaps a GPU can do the job making the impossible processing throughtput requirements possible. Even so, The clock rate out of the camera chip itself would seem like a formidable barrier. I wonder if it's possible the camera chip itself has some logic in it. That would probably save a lot of energy too, doing in situ.
However I'm cynically guessing some software engineer here is quoting some algorithmic step's time ignoring the image formation time, the time it takes to even refresh the screen (after the unlock) or load the data into memory.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Billions of instructions per second. Face recognition in millionths of a second. So they're going to accurately recognize a face running only a few thousand CPU instructions? Baloney.
Would "they don't use the CPU" be too obvious an answer?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
I don't think it would work for fingerprint
Well, the whole thread is about these modern phones which try to avoi non-display area (both TFA's iPhone 8 and also latest by Samsung), not being able to hide a fingerprint scanner under the whole-area screen.
You can't have fingerprints on device that don't have bezels (yet - see how the technology evolves in the next few years).
Thus, technology as 3D face scanning are the only biometrics that you can manage to put into such a phone. (cameras are apparently something that manufacturer did manage to cram in a whole-surface/no-bezel screen. The patent filing I've happen to have seen, seem to point toward a miniature hole a few pixels across in the middle of the top status bar)
Thus the people complaining, about freezing-cold weather :
as if removing gloves for PIN-codes / swipe codes / fingerprint scan wasn't enough,
now this technolog would require to remove ski goggles and helmets, just to unlock the phone ?
Hence my joke :
- touch screen -> touch ski-gloves
- face scan -> face on "novelty hologram" ski-goggles ?
And speaking of jokes :
- if "identity theft" of fingerprint scanners is about cutting fingers
what the hell is the equivalent identity theft with face scanners ?
Going full "Game of Thrones' Arya" on some victim's head ? Enrollement at the school of Faceless-Men is surely going to get high ?
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