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Popular Weather App AccuWeather Caught Sending User Location Data, Even When Location Sharing is Off (zdnet.com)

Zack Whittaker, reporting for ZDNet: Popular weather app AccuWeather has been caught sending geolocation data to a third-party data monetization firm, even when the user has switched off location sharing. AccuWeather is one of the most popular weather apps in Apple's app store, with a near perfect four-star rating and millions of downloads to its name. But what the app doesn't say is that it sends sensitive data to a firm designed to monetize user locations without users' explicit permission. Security researcher Will Strafach intercepted the traffic from an iPhone running the latest version of AccuWeather and its servers and found that even when the app didn't have permission to access the device's precise location, the app would send the Wi-Fi router name and its unique MAC address to the servers of data monetization firm Reveal Mobile every few hours. That data can be correlated with public data to reveal an approximate location of a user's device. We independently verified the findings, and were able to geolocate an AccuWeather-running iPhone in our New York office within just a few meters, using nothing more than the Wi-Fi router's MAC address and public data.

124 comments

  1. WiFi Router Name? by JamesKeane7745 · · Score: 1

    Sorry if i've mis understood something, but I thought the 'WiFi Router name' (I assume meaning SSID, if it was the BSSID it would be even worse!) was only available through APIs when loc services are enabled? Have I missed something, or is it a bug in the Location Services API?

    1. Re:WiFi Router Name? by iotaborg · · Score: 1

      MAC address (unique to every network interface), not SSID. MAC address is contained in the IP packet, and is not private information. If you/your router has communicated with any server, that server can record its MAC address, and assign it with a geographic location your phone has already transmitted prior, or use an estimate location (i.e. whatismyipaddress.com).

    2. Re:WiFi Router Name? by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      Apps can access the router name and MAC to know when you connect to a device to do a first time setup. A lot of IOT (*insert IOT rants here*) setup a temp hotspot that you connect to then use the app to configure it. It then shuts down the ad-hoc and connects to your local WiFi that you configure.

      This obviously needs to be locked behind a permission prompt like location is. *sigh* This is why we can't have nice things....

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    3. Re:WiFi Router Name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The comical bit is that 95% of the time the location returned will be "home" or "work". We could probably just go ahead and label the other 5% "shopping". If everyone complaining about the lack of privacy didn't broadcast exactly this information on instagram and facebook all the time anyway then I'd be concerned.

    4. Re:WiFi Router Name? by c-A-d · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is incorrect. Your MAC address is not contained in the IP Packet. MAC is a layer 2 addressing system while IP is layer 3. The only way for your MAC address to be shared via Layer 3 is if some application has accessed the OSI stack and pulled MAC information from that and then explicitly sent it to a server as part of a payload.

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    5. Re:WiFi Router Name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The MAC address is absolutely NOT contained in a Layer 3 IP packet. It is contained in the Layer 2 Ethernet Frame, which is NOT routed. The MAC address is only visible to on-device API's and the Layer 2 peer you are connected to. (upstream router, switch, etc.) Carry on.

    6. Re:WiFi Router Name? by Nethead · · Score: 2

      Just to be a jerk I'll mention the IPv6 EUI-64 format address. That is layer 3, or as layer 3 as IP gets.

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    7. Re: WiFi Router Name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.
      Oh, and almost any NIC can spoof the MAC.

      Oh, and if they want to know where you are it's pretty easy to figure out based on what weather station you're requesting data from.

    8. Re:WiFi Router Name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently tried an app to configure a media player device, it wouldn't even try to scan for the device, without enabling location services.

    9. Re:WiFi Router Name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if the access point MAC is not protected by a permission, there is no breach. The app only sends data that Android doesn't protect in any way, so it's public data. That location can be inferred from other things than GPS is not a surprise.

    10. Re:WiFi Router Name? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Which is why the privacy extensions were added to IP6 where the MAC address may be replaced with a random address.

    11. Re:WiFi Router Name? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      But if the access point MAC is not protected by a permission, there is no breach. The app only sends data that Android doesn't protect in any way, so it's public data. That location can be inferred from other things than GPS is not a surprise.

      Did you reply to the wrong comment? I never used the word breach, nor did I imply it. Also on Android (not sure what versions) it IS protected by a permission (or at least the SSID is, not positive on the MAC). It's iOS that doesn't protect it (which is surprising since usually it's the other way around in cases like this). However just because it's not protected doesn't mean that using it in this way does not violate the Apple developer agreement. There are plenty of things an app can do that are against it but not outright blocked by the OS. The OS is not there to interpret the agreement, the Apple app team is who is supposed to do that.

      Either way I think that it SHOULD be protected on both platforms, since apparently it does pose a privacy issue.

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  2. Deleted by CycleFreak · · Score: 2

    Damnit! I really like the AccuWeather app.

    Now it's uninstalled.

    Is it really so hard to make money with an app that user data has to be stolen to make a profit?

    1. Re:Deleted by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      No VC will touch a business unless it sucks data, slings ads, or both.

    2. Re:Deleted by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Which is part of why VCs are actively harmful to society at large.

    3. Re:Deleted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get Good Weather or Simple Weather from F-Droid. Both are open source and pull data from OpenWeatherMap.

      Fuck the Google Play Store. I don't even have it installed on my phone.

    4. Re:Deleted by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, most of them will be wiped out in the next 5 years.

      They knew this, even in Hollywood back in 1987:

      (in regards to a company being labeled a sure thing)

      "No such thing except death and taxes. No fundamentals, not a good company any more. What's going on, Bud? You know something? Remember there are no shortcuts, son. Quick buck artists come and go with every bull market, but the steady players make it through the bear market. You're a part of something here, Bud. The money you make for people creates science and research jobs. Don't sell that out."

    5. Re:Deleted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are richer than you, so they are doing something right.

    6. Re:Deleted by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      That makes zero sense.

    7. Re:Deleted by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      They are richer than you, so they must have abandoned even the pretense of morals or conscience and just did whatever their selfish little black hearts desired.

      Fixed that for you, AC.

    8. Re:Deleted by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If it turns out that it isn't possible, there are also open source apps, and weather is always going to be available over public APIs.

    9. Re:Deleted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Research and science on better ways to snoop.

    10. Re:Deleted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are richer than you, so they must have abandoned even the pretense of morals and conscience and have become soulless, and just did whatever their selfish little black hearts desired.

      Further fixed, RS.

  3. Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Accuweather is a free app. We don't pay for it, yet they have to run infrastructure, collect data, and other things that cost money. How do you think they pay for that? You aren't their clients. You're just part of their data set.

    1. Re:Why is this surprising? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Display ads, don't steal user data.

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    2. Re:Why is this surprising? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      The copy of Accuweather I use is paid... Definitely not a freebie. In any case, the app is history for now.

    3. Re:Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded.

      Also obey user preferences. If they don't like it then they can code the app to 'turn it off' until location services is enabled again, and that doesnt use any 'infastructure' other than the users phone.

      The app developers behaviour is just sneaky, uncalled for, and asking to be sued, because, lots of privacy reasons, etc. They basically just made themselves a giant fat target.

    4. Re:Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the issue isn't that its done, it's that its done even without the users permission

    5. Re:Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The copy of Accuweather I use is paid... Definitely not a freebie. In any case, the app is history for now.

      You should also ask Apple to refund your app purchase price.

      Only sound they'll respect is money flowing out of their account

    6. Re:Why is this surprising? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      The Weather Channel app displays ads; and, while the app could stand a bit of UI tweaking in my opinion, their forecasts are supposedly top-notch (according to Professor Cliff Mass).

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    7. Re:Why is this surprising? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      That's fine -- but in this case, the app is intentionally circumventing the user's express wishes and giving the impression that the user's wishes are being honored.

      That's deceptive. An honest app would just refuse to run until you gave it the permissions that it demands. It wouldn't engage in hacks like this.

    8. Re:Why is this surprising? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Display ads, don't steal user data.

      ...and offer me an option to buy an ad-free version. If your product is worth it, I will gladly pay a reasonable amount to get rid of the ads.

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    9. Re:Why is this surprising? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I don't mind ads as long as they're well-behaved. My problem is the tracking that comes with them. There are an awful lot of apps (and websites) that allow you to pay money to disable ads, but the tracking continues to take place anyway.

    10. Re:Why is this surprising? by PmanAce · · Score: 1

      Are you telling a company who offers a free app on how to run their business model?

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    11. Re:Why is this surprising? by grahammm · · Score: 2

      Get the Android version and it does offer a paid for ad-free version - AccuWeather Platinum.

    12. Re:Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it came with my phone and I can't remove it?

    13. Re:Why is this surprising? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If they're trying to ignore privacy laws? Yes I am.

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    14. Re:Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to get a new, non-shitty phone, then. Or, is there some way you can de-authorize that app from even running? Seriously if you have so little control over your phone then maybe time to get a different one.

    15. Re:Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the issue is that it's done at all. So many software companies have gone rampant and are forcing data collection to become the norm. How can anyone think that is OK? It's fucking insane.

      The only truly safe option is to use open source software. If you need something a bit more, Apple seems to be the least evil with regard to data collection and user privacy, which I suppose has become reasonable justification for the Apple tax and that's just sad.

    16. Re:Why is this surprising? by CodeArtisan · · Score: 1

      Display ads, don't steal user data.

      Ads don't generate sufficient revenue and the race to bottom on app pricing means selling them for 99c doesn't generate enough turnover to support them.

    17. Re:Why is this surprising? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      My pay check doesn't generate sufficient revenue and the HB-1 salaries means my yearly salary doesn't generate enough to support me. So I'll just steal from everyone instead.

      How stupid does that sound? Because that's what you just said when defending those assholes.

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    18. Re: Why is this surprising? by PmanAce · · Score: 1

      What are they stealing? Your position?

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    19. Re: Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are they stealing? Your position?

      Just my opinion here but I sympathize with the idea. They're taking your data without your clear aware consent. They're specifically evading your clear and aware consent as expressed by your settings. They're doing it because your data has value to them. They can profit from it. Without compensating you. Without your permission.

      I wouldn't personally call it "stealing" just as copyright infringement is not "stealing". But they are parasitically deriving a value, not just without your consent but against your consent. If you disable location services it's because you don't want to be located. They had to put forth a specific and determined effort to get around that. They make themselves dishonorable and untrustworthy.

      It could be called undue enrichment.

    20. Re:Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other weather apps that are free, open source without spyware, without adware, without microtransactions, without any scummy bullshit. You seem to forget that people have always provided information and services on the internet for free without strings attached because they are cool like that. You act like Accuweather are doing us a favour by spying on us.

    21. Re:Why is this surprising? by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

      Or you know, don't do any of that.

    22. Re:Why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guarantee this is still sharing your location data with "partners" I have premium and I sincerely doubt they are missing out on money just because I paid for an add free version.

    23. Re:Why is this surprising? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Yea but as far as privacy goes that's like jumping out of the pan and into the eternal flames of hell.

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  4. Selling your data is too valuable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To get people's consent.

    1. Re:Selling your data is too valuable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To get people's consent.

      My Name Is Major, And I Do Not Consent To This Operation

    2. Re: Selling your data is too valuable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I installed the free version at some point, maybe used it once. I kept it updated until a few weeks ago, when the release notes said "link to your FaceBook account to get more forecast days" and I immediately deleted it, because it was obvious what was going on.

  5. That free app going to cost AccWeather a fortune by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Funny

    In lawsuits, and deservedly so.

  6. Re:Only apps can app apps! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Ah, there you are. Where did you go? On a fucking vacation? We need to see your pointless crap at the start of each thread otherwise it doesn't feel like Slashdot anymore.

    Anyway, welcome back.

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  7. Gatekeeper! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AccuWeather is one of the most popular weather apps in Apple's app store, with a near perfect four-star rating and millions of downloads to its name.

    Who let this turd into the Walled Garden?

    1. Re: Gatekeeper! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is four stars near perfect in a five star system?

      I know you quoted the shit summary, but the shit summary missed even the basic facts.

  8. Re:That free app going to cost AccWeather a fortun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prove you were damaged somehow?

  9. Re:That free app going to cost AccWeather a fortun by JoeyRox · · Score: 1
  10. OT got the wierdest cell phone cold call yesterday by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, went on an eclipse mini-vacation and I guess drove near the vicinity of a some trigger point. The caller was asking for another name, but still proceeded to sell me a pitch for a vacation spot I had "driven past." Now, was it my credit card company, the cell phone company, or the data-only account on my tablet who was responsible for leaking my location in real time to a vendor?

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  11. Ah yes figured this out a while ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, I got rid of that app, was sucking down my battery and finally figured out why. The Weather Channel's app is pretty sketchy too. I know just use the browser to get my weather.

  12. No shock by bloodstar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After all accuweather had previously tried to convince Congress to gut the NWS so they could make money: http://www.politico.com/story/... So the idea that Accuweather would do something shady isn't without precedent.

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  13. Change your router name to by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Funny

    DROP TABLE location;

    1. Re:Change your router name to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DROP TABLE location;

      HOME)`; DROP TABLE locations; --

      please

    2. Re:Change your router name to by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      Because we may all be needing our own Bobby Tables soon...

      Although

      HOME)`; DROP DATABASE msdb; --

      might be more fun to watch.

    3. Re:Change your router name to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bob-programmer here, but a prankster at heart.
      So please tell me: does this really work?

        I mean wouldn't any software retrieveing (sniffing) for names put it in quotes or something? To ID it differently than code?
      So even the most prank-named modem would be captured as "DROP TABLE locations;" like a string of proper text?

    4. Re:Change your router name to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      typo: Bob-programmer = Non-programmer

    5. Re: Change your router name to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, non-shitty software would protect itself from this. Nobody ever accused AccuWeather of being non-shitty though, so it might work.

    6. Re: Change your router name to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Understood :)
      thx!!

  14. Better battery life by Andrew+Lindh · · Score: 1

    I got much better battery life after I removed the AccuWeather app from my phone (months ago). I thought it was doing something other than downloading ads all day.

    1. Re:Better battery life by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      You can block specific apps (or all apps) from running in the background on iOS...

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    2. Re:Better battery life by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Yep, and at this point, I don't believe I allow any to run in background mode. There's nothing so significant that I need to track other than via the iOS supported notifications.

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  15. AccuWeather are liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Accuweather is a free app. We don't pay for it, yet they have to run infrastructure, collect data, and other things that cost money. How do you think they pay for that? You aren't their clients. You're just part of their data set.

    I agree! They should ignore user preferences because they offer an app that is paid for by prostituting user data and calling it "free" - Lying.

    I used to use AccuWeather before I found out that they are liars and frauds. AccuWeather is a bunch of scammers. Fauds.

      AccuWeather lies to people. AccuWeather is a bunch of liars. AccuWeather scam.

    So, asshole - don't ever defend a lying scum company like AccuWeather when they lie to their customers..

    There is ZERO excuse!

      AccuWeather lied to their customers.

  16. Re:That free app going to cost AccWeather a fortun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't have to prove I was damaged. The FTC will do it for me.

    https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/protecting-consumer-privacy/enforcing-privacy-promises

    LOL! I just sneezed a mouthful of Pepsi out of my mouth onto the monitor.

    Awesome laugh, thanks man.

  17. The cunts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *uninstall*

  18. Re:OT got the wierdest cell phone cold call yester by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Possibly all three with an AI mediated auction to see which one was allowed to sell you out first. Welcome to the future; it was yesterday.

  19. Re:OT got the wierdest cell phone cold call yester by DogDude · · Score: 1

    All of those industries do those things (legally). It was probably a combination of all three.

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  20. Re:Only apps can app apps! by Spy+Handler · · Score: 0

    I'm still trying to figure out why people download and install executables to do simple tasks that I do in a web browser.

    I blame the stupid Apple ad telling us "There's an App for that"

  21. They can't even see their own lie by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    we take privacy issues very seriously," the spokesperson said. "We work to have our [terms of service and agreements] as current as the law is evolving and often beyond that which may be legally required to protect the privacy of our users."

    If you're only doing what's "legally required", then you aren't, in fact, taking privacy issues "very seriously".

    1. Re:They can't even see their own lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we take privacy issues very seriously," the spokesperson said. "We work to have our [terms of service and agreements] as current as the law is evolving and often beyond that which may be legally required to protect the privacy of our users."

      If you're only doing what's "legally required", then you aren't, in fact, taking privacy issues "very seriously".

      Actually, you are. Laws are serious. Phony principles are not serious. Privacy theater is not serious.

      No person who is serious about privacy would ever own a device capable of running this app.

      The world keeps turning out to be ignoring "privacy concerns" because they are fundamentally bullshit.

    2. Re:They can't even see their own lie by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      What is legally required is inadequate. That's why I say that if all you are doing is meeting the legal requirements, you aren't taking the issue seriously.

    3. Re:They can't even see their own lie by retchdog · · Score: 1

      "and often beyond that which may be legally required"

      lol, dumbfuck. lrn2read.

      (yes, they're probably lying about that too, but your "analysis" is just sad. +4, Insightful? what is this, a cable news channel?)

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  22. Could this violate stalking laws? by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Google should ban the app for this deception.

    1. Re:Could this violate stalking laws? by JohnFen · · Score: 0

      Google runs Apple's app store now?

    2. Re:Could this violate stalking laws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google runs Apple's app store now?

      No one said that. If you bothered to look into it you'd notice that there is an AccuWeather app also available in the Android app store. Google could issue a punitive ban, refusing to do business with any company known to engage in such practices. This would both protect Android users from any similar not-yet-detected hacks while providing a deterrent to other companies - they could lose huge markets.

      Had you put the slightest thought into it you could have noticed this possibility on your own, you hostile ass.

    3. Re:Could this violate stalking laws? by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

      Google should ban itself.

  23. Re:Only apps can app apps! by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    In terms of security, I don't think there's much difference between using the browser and using the app.

  24. if that is a 4 star, then things are bad by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, accuweather is about the WORST forecast going.
    Only idiots or some robot would mod them up to a 4 star.

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    1. Re:if that is a 4 star, then things are bad by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      Seriously, accuweather is about the WORST forecast going.
        Only idiots or some robot would mod them up to a 4 star.

      I use Weather Pro. Granted it's an app that you have to buy, but it's been very accurate for me. I was on vacation in north eastern Canada and the weather that it predicted for at least the next 48 hours was the weather that we got. The northeast is notorious for it's unpredictable weather.

    2. Re:if that is a 4 star, then things are bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it predicted - or it received the forecast that a fucking supercomputer calculated....

      fucking idiot.

  25. Re:OT got the wierdest cell phone cold call yester by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    To a certain degree, it doesn't matter which it was. Your phone is clearly leaking data to somebody, and you probably want to fix that.

    If you're running Android and have updated to a reasonably recent version of Google Maps, then that's probably your problem. They added a "feature" to allow this. If that's the cause, they did also add a new option to disable it, or (better) you can disable location services, or (best) you can uninstall the app entirely.

  26. Re:Only apps can app apps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For the few websites I browse on my phone they're constantly asking me to install their application instead. There is no way to block these messages because the host benefit from apps far more than a website visit.

  27. Just sayin' by jabberw0k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stallman was right after all.

  28. Thanks. Any weather app recommendations? by jalvarez13 · · Score: 1

    As I just deleted accuweather form my phone., I'd appreciate suggestions for replacing it!

    1. Re:Thanks. Any weather app recommendations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BeWeather was good on my BlackBerry but the iPhone version is inferior and has crash bugs. I've just settled for my iPhone native Weather app. It's good enough. On the iPad I use BeWeather even though it is flawed.

    2. Re:Thanks. Any weather app recommendations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like Wunderground. The current situation and forecasts seem very accurate. It uses thousands of personal weather sites for conditions. The radar works well. My wife likes Weatherbug. The best weather app may may depend on your location or where you're traveling to. We live on the Front Range of Colorado and our weather situation can be pretty complicated considering the affect of the mountains, summer monsoon moisture producing thunderstorms often with hail, winter snow storms, upslope fog, and Alberta Clippers. I was raised in San Diego and it seemed weather prediction is not particularly complicated, but traveling away from there makes a good weather app useful.

    3. Re:Thanks. Any weather app recommendations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually for the US just using weather.gov in the browser is not bad. It has radar, forecast and current conditions and you are already paying for it with your taxes.

    4. Re:Thanks. Any weather app recommendations? by danomac · · Score: 1

      If you are looking for the best recommendation that won't slurp your info in some way or another, it would be best to look out the window.

    5. Re: Thanks. Any weather app recommendations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      guess who bought wunderground . . .

  29. Yet another reason by c-A-d · · Score: 2

    I don't install apps when a web page is sufficient.

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  30. Stop using fucking apps ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The overwhelming majority of these bullshit apps are essentially just a fucking web-page.

    You don't fucking *need* an app for the weather, just visit their damned website.

    These apps exist to collect data about you, push ads, and essentially act as a wrapper for their fucking web pages.

    Boo fucking hoo if you don't realize most of these apps exist to harvest your data. Uninstall the fucking thing.

  31. Samsung is Worse by Thelasko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Samsung phones come with a crippled version of AccuWeather installed by default. It's integrated into the firmware and difficult to remove. Does that version track you too?

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    1. Re:Samsung is Worse by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you're using Ice Cream Sandwich or later then you can disable any app, even the ones that carriers make uninstallable. You can also root the thing and physically delete the app from storage.

    2. Re:Samsung is Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you disable any app?

    3. Re:Samsung is Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you disable any app?

      Very carefully.

    4. Re:Samsung is Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Settings->applications

      Select the application and tap "disable". Probably want to force close it too.

    5. Re:Samsung is Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be careful with that.

      I got my Shield stuck in a reboot loop after disabling Google Play.

    6. Re:Samsung is Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks! Finally got rid of fucking Flipboard news spam.

  32. AccuWeather is installed by default on Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not anymore!

  33. Skip weather 'apps', just go to Wundergound by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just go to Weather Underground instead, you don't need an 'app'. Or if you think that's too commercial and you're going to get tracked, then just go to the National Weather Service. Seriously, you don't need an 'app' for everything.

    1. Re:Skip weather 'apps', just go to Wundergound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Seriously, you don't need an 'app' for everything.

      Tell that to the app generation. This nonsense you speak is practically blasphemy.

    2. Re:Skip weather 'apps', just go to Wundergound by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Just go to Weather Underground instead, you don't need an 'app'. Or if you think that's too commercial and you're going to get tracked, then just go to the National Weather Service. Seriously, you don't need an 'app' for everything.

      This, for the love of whatever deity or holy person you worship, this.

      OK, I'm on Android, the web browser works well so I tend not to see the cause to have an App and a half for every web service I access. Not sure about IOS, I like to maintain my standards.

      I can think of three reasons you'd use an app over a web service.

      1. You need content offline. 99% of my web services require live results (I.E. bank, weather, news).

      2. You need access to local compute resources or hardware that is not accessible remotely. I.E. accelerometer or gyroscope. Thinking of navigation apps.

      3. Your browser is so shitty it cant render anything as well as a laptop/desktop. Never encountered this since getting my first Android phone.

      The overwhelming majority of apps do not meet any of these criteria. I suspect most of them are simply tools for collecting data.

      Also, smug mode on, for all the vaunted security of IOS, it turns out this is right under their noses and I suspect is very wide spread.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  34. Live in a place where the weather doesnt change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no need for a Weather app. I know what the weather is going to be.
    May-Nov: Hot, Humid, Chance of rain
    Dec-Apr: Less Hot, Less Humid, lesser chance of rain

  35. Re:Only apps can app apps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's the 'locate sexconker so I can beat him to a pulp' app? I'd even get a smartphone for once just to be able to use that app!

  36. What's tomorrow's weather? by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    It's gonna have heavy lawsuit rain tomorrow. Consider getting a lawyer before leaving home.

  37. Re:That free app going to cost AccWeather a fortun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize that the FTC falls under Trump's executive branch, right? If you're looking to the Trump administration for consumer protection, you're in for a rude awakening.

  38. its not popular by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    its forced onto you by just about every device maker in the universe, if you actually sit down and LOOK at it, succuweather is highly inaccurate and almost useless

    for instance glancing at succuweather, on my phone its 10 degrees cooler than weather undergound, weather.com, google, and my local news station which are all in 1 degree of each other. Lot of fat fucking good it does me to know what the weather was ... 5 hours ago

  39. Re:That free app going to cost AccWeather a fortun by JoeyRox · · Score: 0

    Trump is too busying losing and playing golf to mind the FTC.

  40. Re: That free app going to cost AccWeather a fortu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because he got tired of all the winning. Losing is the new winning. #greatagain

  41. How this is still possible today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How can any smartphone app ignore system settings?
    Aren't they running in sandbox?
    Aren't they run buy a virtual machine?
    Isn't that virtual machine doing any security policy checks on the app instructions to be run?

  42. Re: Only apps can app apps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a huge difference!

  43. CrapuWeather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The app was never accurate. One day, I checked for any rain in their "MinuteCast". There wasn't, which was supposed to be good for 120 minutes. After about 30 minutes, the app gave me "advanced" warning about a severe weather in the area. 1 minute later, mother nature gave a 45-minute-long performance of Torrential Downpour. Even my weak spidey senses picked up something was wrong long before that 1 minute of "advanced" warning.

    That app was gone after I left a sarcastic review.

  44. Re:Only apps can app apps! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    I would have thought that stories like this expose the deeply insightful nature of his frivolous-sounding blather.

    I'm enough of a LUDDITE that I don't app apps, and I use a regular website to access weather information; even from a mobile device.

    You don't need a hoverboard for each foot to garden in the rain, you just needs some good clogs.

    And if did want to use an app, it would be open source.

  45. Re:OT got the wierdest cell phone cold call yester by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    My family travels with smart phones, but we don't use those sorts of apps. We don't get that sort of spam.

    The stuff that leaks from credit card usage doesn't give out your info, but if you use third party banking apps those are unregulated and can do anything with your data without telling you. That's why I only use mobile banking provided directly by my bank.

    The reality is that any app that asks for permission to know your location is a suspect. If you install apps with that permission, and they also ask for your phone ID, you can be pretty certain that they're selling your data. Your travel itinerary was probably sold separately numerous times; one time for each app you gave that combination of permissions to! Furthermore, some websites ask for that information; if you never turned it off in your browser, you might be leaking it there too.

    But this story shows, it isn't enough just to be wary of app permissions; even apps without excess permissions are dangerous! Software tools are powerful, downloading random shit was stupid in the `90s, and it is still stupid today. And the average user still does it without any sense of caution at all.

  46. Forgotton about: BlueTooth must now have location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone seems to have forgotten that Android now requires location to be turn on for adv. Blue tooth services to work. Google REFUSED to comment on this. Sheepeople just kept quiet about it.