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Columnist Mocks The Case Against Cord-Cutting As 'Too Many Choices' (techhive.com)

An anonymous reader quote TechHive: The cord-cutting naysayers are trotting out a new argument in favor of cable, and it's even more absurd than the old ones: Having too many high-quality, standalone streaming services, they say, is actually bad for consumers, who are apparently helpless at using technology or making sound purchase decisions... The New York Post's Johnny Oleksinski concluded that all those sneering hipsters who've had the nerve to ditch cable are about to get their comeuppance -- in the form of additional services to choose from... By now, anyone who's actually cut the cable cord should be screaming out in unison: No one's making you subscribe to all these services! You can pick the ones you care about most, rotate between services, or occupy your screen time with a growing number of other digital distractions...

I will concede that if you want to use multiple streaming services, trying to sift through them all can be confusing. But even this concern is blown entirely out of proportion by naysaying pundits, who seem to ignore solutions that already exist. Roku, Amazon Fire TV, and Apple TV all offer universal search across services like Netflix and Hulu, while features like Roku Feed and the Apple TV TV app demonstrate how system-wide browsing is getting easier. Besides, using a handful of apps to get what you want isn't that burdensome -- especially for the growing audience of people who've been raised on smartphones... consumers are smarter than they're getting credit for. That's why cable subscriptions continue to plunge, even as these bogus stories keep popping up like clockwork.

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  1. 2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's 2017 and those are 90's arguments.

    1. Re:2017 by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One guy makes a point that you might not save a lot of money by cord cutting and buying into several streaming services. Then we get a spate of reactionary articles that take some kind of offense like he's out to stop cord cutting. Guess there's not much better to do on a Sunday.

    2. Re:2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair here, it is going to be problematic when everyone wants to have their own paid streaming service. Instead of being able to watch everything on a few services, like Netflix or Amazon Prime, it is looking like everyone wants their own specific streaming site, sometimes paid with ads, and is pulling their content to put it on their own service. The issue is not that 'people are confused' so much as people are annoyed, and that everyone wants their own piece of the pie to the point where the ideal situation of having what you want on demand is going to be quite costly when you effectively have to pay for every 'channel' separately.

      This isn't an argument for cable (which is technologically obsolete and will inevitably go the way of the radio drama), so much as it is one against overly fracturing streaming services. I already pay for Netflix and Prime quite happily, and I'm not inclined to pay for a dozen more things, except maybe for a biennial one month subscription to binge watch several shows and then cancel. That seems to be what Disney ect. want, so rather than a constant revenue stream, that's what they'll get. Well, that and some piracy.

    3. Re:2017 by sycodon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just wondering who asked this guy anyway?

      Seems like an opinion in search of an issue.

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    4. Re:2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you might not save a lot of money by cord cutting and buying into several streaming services.

      And this right here is why I'm staying with piracy. The cable companies force me to buy bundles of crap channels just so I can get the three or four I actually watch. And now streaming services want me to subscribe to all or nothing, and I need to subscribe to three competing services to get those three or four channels I watch. And if I want to watch a sports game, I basically need to buy another Ferrari for one of the players....

    5. Re:2017 by Vermonter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The columnist misses the point. No one is complaining that $99.99/month for 700 channels they want isn't a good deal, people are complaining that they are paying $99.99/month for the 3 or 4 channels they want, and they get 696 channels thrown in that they don't want. The problem for most people is not the value of the channels (although that certainly is it's own debate), the problem is you have to buy all this stuff you don't want just to get the little you do want.

      How would you feel if you only had one place you could go to for ice cream, and even though you only want one scoop of vanilla and one scoop of chocolate, you are forced to buy one scoop of ever flavor and pay $50? That business model wouldn't work, even if it were a monopoly, because people realize they don't need ice cream *that* badly. And people are starting to realize they don't need TV *that* badly, either, especially since their need for video content is being more and more fulfilled by the internet.

    6. Re:2017 by Robert+Goatse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That guy does have a valid point in 2017 even. I've thought about cutting the FiOS cord but you'll get nickel and dimed for XYZ streaming service that it's just easier to keep cable. Sure you could have Netflix for movies (old ones), Hulu and/or Sling for current TV shows but what about local sports? Let's hope you have an OTA antenna that picks up the local games. By the time you add up Netflix, HBO, Hulu, and whatever else, you're almost at the cable price point. So why bother switching when cable TV, for one monthly price, just works(tm).

    7. Re:2017 by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      What kills me further is that we're still dealing with 1990s tech when it comes to interfacing with cable tv boxes. I get a remote with arrow keys and a bunch of buttons that do random things. 700 channels....how, exactly, do I find the one I want? The fastest solution I've found is to pull up TV Guide on my laptop, enter my cable provider, and then scroll through the giant list. It's faster than what my cable provider gives me. And can I hide everything I don't get? Nope. Because somehow, clicking through hundreds of channels I don't get, each one pausing, then throwing up a "buy me now" button is going to make me want to spend another $50 every month?
       
      How is it that we have not been able to get past a remote and the ridiculously terrible set-to-box software yet? To take your analogy further, you bring home all the flavors, and then are required to scoop out the one you want with a spoon taped to a pool noodle with your eyes closed.

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    8. Re:2017 by lucm · · Score: 2

      It's 2017 and those are 90's arguments.

      No they're not. The disney situation is an eye-opener. Suppose you're already paying for netflix; now all the disney content goes away, so you have to not only pay another monthly fee to another company, but you also have to deal with a whole other platform. Are disney going to have good mobile apps, plus a web viewer, plus apps for smart TVs, plus console apps? Unlikely.

      Then BBC will do the same, and AMC, and CBS, and pretty soon you've got 6 or 7 streaming services with narrow offerings, shaky infrastructure and buggy apps. And they'll all stuff their channel with thousands of hours of meaningless low-budget crap to complement their 3 good shows. That's how you end up with shows like Backyard Bounty or terrible subtitled korean dramas on Netflix.

      We all know that cable companies shove unwanted junk down the throat of their customers with their packages and bundles, but having 9 different streaming services is not the answer.

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    9. Re:2017 by Woldscum · · Score: 2

      Then the market will decide the winners and losers. The losers will be the next Blockbuster. Hopefully something new will come along and be the next Netflix. Hulu can burn in hell with the paid ads. I have been voting with my wallet since 2010 and have taken $110 a month out of the bottom line of Cox.

    10. Re:2017 by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lots of reasons. Netflix and Hulu let you watch what you want, when you want. HBO is scheduled viewing but they have an on demand service now as well. But the biggest draw (for me) is that the shows are not interrupted by ads. After a couple of years of netflix, HBO (and sure: the Pirate Bay as well), I found cable TV to be unbearable to watch, what with the ridiculous amount of advertising.

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    11. Re:2017 by djrosen · · Score: 2

      Nickel and dimed? easier to keep Cable? I have been in Texas for 19 years. I got DirecTV when I moved here and I had the top package. Every premium channel they offered, once the deal wore off I was paying about $100 and there was no DVR back then. Then they let you BUY a DirecTivo, you owned it, no rental and they charged $5 a month for the privilege of using that thing you own. Then came the yearly increases. Package wasn't changing, hardware wasn't changing but soon I was paying over $150 for the exact same channels. I have since got rid of all the premium content and shaved back the service and I am STILL paying $100 for less than I had. Netflix has gone up what, $3 for the streaming service over the years?

      Once you sign up for the content you never have to deal with it again. Get a device that attaches to them all (there are several) and you have a much better choice to cost ratio and that is what cord cutting is all about.

    12. Re:2017 by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We are talking about $80-$100 a month for cable service here once you include all of the taxes and fees and mandatory rentals. It takes a TON of streaming subscriptions to hit a number like that. Honestly, an OTA antenna, Netflix, and Amazon Prime (which you probably already have) will cover 90% of your requirements easily. Maybe add Hulu if there's something on there you want to watch. You're still somewhere around 1/3 the price of cable, and unlike cable your shows don't have ads (except on the antenna and maybe on Hulu).

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    13. Re:2017 by TemporalBeing · · Score: 2

      The biggest problem is the big content companies are starting to pull their shows from existing streaming services and plan to start their own.

      Sorry, but by the time you subscribe to multiple streaming services just to get all the varied content you want, you're better off with cable and the big bite vs. being nibbled to death by all the little ones combined....

      Agreed that is a big problem; but I don't think it'll be a long lasting problem unless they're willing to accept that only a small fraction of people will pay for their service in that style. Most are going to stick with just Netflix, Amazon Video, and Hulu - in some mix. I think HBO's competitor made it only b/c they linked in CableTV subscriptions for free - but I doubt Disney will have a long term success with it without doing the same - and those really aren't competitors to Netflix/Amazon/Hulu b/c they not truly in the same market - they basically end up as services for Cable TV subscribers.

      My wife complained about our cable bill and wanted other options after hearing some of her co-workers talk about cord-cutting and streaming. So I had her make a list of the shows/channels she wanted and that we'd need for our daughter. Then we started a research quest to fond out where we could get them. It would have taken 4 different streaming services to get most of what we wanted...

      And what was the cost difference? If you spend $40-$60 ($10-$15/each) for 4 streaming services and you're bill is $60+ lower, then you've saved money.

      We have Amazon Prime Video only b/c we already have Amazon Prime since we save enough on shipping and other expenses to cover it. Otherwise we only use Netflix at $10/month. That's our entire "streaming services" bill. Any cable TV/sat TV bill would easily add at minimum $15-$20/month just for regional, $30-$40/month for basic subscriptions - and then you get additional equipment fees on top of that.

      Simply put do a real cost analysis and not just a what services would we need analysis. That's only half the job.

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    14. Re:2017 by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Then the market will decide the winners and losers.

      No it won't. The market liked Netflix, where you could get a wide range of content at a good price. The content owners didn't like it, so they killed that model. The market wanted that model, but the market is easily manipulable and often has to choose between multiple poorer offerings.

    15. Re:2017 by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      I found cable TV to be unbearable to watch, what with the ridiculous amount of advertising.

      I can't even stand to watch cable TV shows *on Netflix without ads* anymore. The ads are insufferable but without the ads you realize just how terrible the shows are on top of that.

      "Jim and Karah are looking at houses. They want a $10k. house on the beach..."
      Fade to
      "... When we left Jim and Karah they were looking at a house on the beach for $10k..."
      Fade to
      "Hi my name is Karah, and my name is Jim and we're really wanting a $10k house on the beach."

      #()@)! GET ON WITH IT ALREADY! The ads are so insufferable that they have to run recaps every 10 seconds in case you just tuned out due to the 5 minutes of ads.

  2. New York Post "writers" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And how much did the cable and satellite companies pay Johnny Oleksinski to write that article?

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  3. Fragmentation by renegadesx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fragmentation of services like HBO and the new Disney service will lead to a case against cord cutting, but the same can be said for piracy. A legit case against cord cutting is also a case that can be made for piracy.
    You would have thought they learned their lesson.

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    1. Re:Fragmentation by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Piracy is the better experience precisely because of the artificial monopolies granted. It isnt just the local cable company artificial monopolies (franchise agreements) granted by government, but also the content owner artificial monopolies (perpetual copyright) that have also been granted by government.

      Everything produced before 2003 would now be public domain under the original copyright law in America. These new proposed streaming services like Disney's would have no teeth under 14 year copyrights.

      As far as I can tell the teeth Disney currently has is based on Star Wars and Marvel properties, yet a lot of that should already be public domain. For Star Wars, only episode 3, episode 7, and that silly tweener movie would still be copyrighted. For Marvel several of the X-Man movies, Spiderman, and other assorted would already be public domain.

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    2. Re:Fragmentation by sit1963nz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nope, I have a Netflix subscription.

      I am NOT going to buy one for HBO, or Disney, or any other service. I have stopped going to the theatre because its too expensive and too many of the "must see greatest film of this year" are just over hyped crap.

      I have zero interest in being force fed adverts.

      So basically I have been pushed towards reading books, and taking up a hobby. Looking buy a small lathe and learn how to use it to make model steam engines etc

  4. Or... by scdeimos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... you could, you know, just go outside and have a life away from screens.

    1. Re:Or... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought about that, when I went overseas. But no, you have no idea *just how important* watching TV is to a lot of people's lives. They aren't just disappointed when they can't watch the latest American TV, they get upset. Angry and then bitter. It's real emotions, not crocodile tears. It's not as simple as "just turn off the TV and go outside", watching TV is a way of life for them and to remove it causes them real pain.

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    2. Re:Or... by Known+Nutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I waited until the last season before I accidentally caught an episode of Breaking Bad in a hotel room one night. When I returned home, I started watching it on Netflix. Ultimately, I waited years before I started watching the show and life has gotten on pretty well despite this atrocity.

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  5. Easy by jabberw0k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Age 51, computer geek since 1977. My dad began with RCA in 1947 installing television sets. We never had cable or satellite, the concept of paying for television being bonkers, so what's there to miss? Movies and CDs I can check out from the library. Seriously, paying for television?

    1. Re:Easy by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know about your library, but it takes an insane amount of time to check anything useful out from mine, and if they have a popular show the wait for it is months. Some people are happy with old shows, I guess that's fine, but there are shows that are on today that I want to watch. It's not like it's the only thing I can talk about socially, but it's nice to see a show before you hear someone talking about it or read spoilers in an article.

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    2. Re:Easy by EzInKy · · Score: 2

      It's worse than that. Back when I "cut the cord" they were popping up commercials at the bottom of the screen while you were trying to watch a show. And they wanted me to pay $12,000 a decade or more for that? That was the final straw for me.

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    3. Re:Easy by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      $12,000 pays for a lot of DVDs, BDs, and Amazon season passes.

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    4. Re:Easy by tbannist · · Score: 2

      I don't know about your library, but it takes an insane amount of time to check anything useful out from mine, and if they have a popular show the wait for it is months.

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say your library just isn't that great. I'm not the OP, but my library runs through the entire city, with multiple branches and will generally have copies of anything that I want to borrow available in at least one of the many branches. I can then request that copy and have it at my branch within 2 days of the request being made, assuming that it's not already available in my local branch when I request it.

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  6. what if you cut the cable... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...because you were tired of spending your limited time on earth staring at a TV? Because besides being $160/month richer, you also have a lot more time to actually do stuff and learn things and talk to people and take your dog for a walk?

    Too many choices? If you say so. I think people can handle having choices. I personally choose not to participate.

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  7. content as a monopoly by layabout · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cord cutting reveals the content distribution chain as a series of monopolies. By copyright law, the producer of content owns a monopoly. But through subsequent licensing deals, additional monopolies are created. Like the last mile pipe, content distribution networks, and DNS, streaming infrastructure is a shared service that provide benefit to everyone on the net yet when commercially owned creates monopolies or walled gardens.

    I remember interview with some Hollywood type in which they expressed a strong hatred for streaming services because the brand was no longer the studio or the production house but it was the program itself. The same effect is happening with streaming services. I don't think of "Man in the high Castle" as part of the Amazon brand. Its brand is "Man in the high Castle".

    I think it's past time for a RAND policy for all content and a method of making sure everyone gets paid

  8. Re:Cord-cutting by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's absolutely a viable option. There is more produced every day than you could ever hope to consume in a lifetime. "Cord cutting" is mainly a matter of getting over your current addiction, and acquiring a new one.

    Whatever it is that you 'want' to watch on cable, there's another option online that will entertain you just as much.

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  9. It is, though. by bistromath007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having too many streaming services isn't "too many choices" it's "too many bills."

  10. Different folks - different truths by RhettLivingston · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This isn't an argument that can have a single truth that covers everyone. There are some people who are experiencing the difficulties described and many who aren't. People are different with different levels of capability and tolerance. If there is no way that you will give up live access to CNN, you can't cut your cable. I cut my cable more than a decade ago and still miss certain aspects.

    In my case, I will not pay more than about $20 per month for the family beyond my internet costs for all media purchases combined. I'd likely maintain that limit even if I had limitless income because it serves the purpose of limiting my viewing time too.

    That generally means I'll pay for two services and no more. Right now, I'm just paying for Netflix and a music service. There is no chance that Disney or any other service will ever get my business unless they can fully supplant Netflix for the same price. If the price point is significantly compromised, I'll go back to watching only what is free.

  11. Re:helpless at making sound purchase decisions by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think its just that sometimes change due to market forces is pretty slow. In the case of cable television, change away from them is slow because the cable market has never really been free. The market has to route around government intervention itself in this case, and its still a long road ahead.

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  12. Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the old by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Streaming used to be seen as an alternative to cable, but let's face it: It's turning out to be the same. Yes, yes, you can now choose when to watch your show instead of having to wait for it to appear on X-day Y-time, but face it, the difference is nonexistent. Now, instead of watching it when it's aired you watch it when it is available for streaming, and if you want to watch it later, you basically save yourself the VCR programming, because that's basically what watching it later than release essentially is.

    Well, maybe (soon) without the ability to skip ads.

    No ads you say? There were no ads in cable either in the beginning. Give it time.

    The rest is already the same as cable was. Again you get different streaming providers that offer different content, which isn't so different from the different cable packages. Again you get to pay for provider (package) A, even though you are only interested in 10% of its programming. You'd want to watch show B, but show B is only available from provider (package) C, so you either have to shell out another X bucks to get that provider (package) even though all you really want from it is that one show and you couldn't care less for the rest of what comes bundled with it.

    Face it: Streaming is the new cable. You just let someone else rip you off.

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  13. Re:No decent programs since decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All the new stuff is full of swear words and sex, bleh, not in my living room.

    How do you know?

  14. Re:Cord-cutting by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also there is a huge logical fallacy in the articles argument, which is that you will subscribe full-time to these services instead of switching every few months.

    When I first used Netflix streaming, I held the plan for about a year. Since then I subscribe for ~2 months per year because I've already exhausted their core catalog. They have some content I am not getting elsewhere, but I dont need a 24/7/365 plan to consume it.

    Amazons non-prime model is pay as you go, while their prime model is tied to more than just streaming video. Disney can do the first and that would be great, but they cant do the second at all. They are going for the Netflix model and that just isnt going to land 24/7/365 business.

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  15. Re:Wants by mark-t · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is why I think anyone who says they cut the cord and can watch what they want are still downloading or streaming a fair amount illegally

    And you'd be wrong.... although I wouldn't argue that you might be right as a generalization, speaking from personal experience, after my wife and I cut our cable subscription, we still watched all of the shows that we would otherwise watch on television entirely legally, by just streaming them from the network's website. The only caveat to this was that you couldn't watch it until the day after it aired, and an episode was not available for free streaming anymore after a week.

  16. Re:Wants by sd4f · · Score: 2

    It's quite different here in Australia, cable/pay tv is not the norm here, most people have stuck with free-to-air tv. Streaming services, as a result are gaining in popularity, because they're a lot cheaper.

    With that said, free to air audiences have dropped significantly, peak audiences are about half what they were from a decade ago (excluding sport). I really watch very little TV, and go months at a time without switching it on. I tend to find more interesting things published on youtube. While I'm not indicative of everyone, it is a trend that has been noticed. There was recent market research on TV viewing habits which found that baby boomers were the only age group to maintain their screen time, all others are in decline, especially current adults in their 20's.

    This is spelling trouble for our TV networks, as their business model is significantly changing. One of the networks (there are only three free to air networks) here is close to going bankrupt.

  17. Re: No decent programs since decades by arth1 · · Score: 2

    Having different standards doesn't mean having none.
    I'm fine with sex but not so happy about violence and religion.
    But most of all, I'm fine with people having a choice.

  18. Too many channels? Use Netflix DVD by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My own cure for the problem of that interesting show being on the streaming service I don't have is to wait for the end of the season, which means only about 10 episodes these days anyhow, and then view it on Netflix DVD.

    The streaming market is now in that phase after a new tech becomes popular when there are large numbers of brands on the market. It was this way with cars in the 1920s. After the forthcoming big wave of consolidation, it won't be so much of a problem.

  19. Buy Internet, get TV at almost no extra charge by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The key issue people have had with the subscription service we call "cable TV" is their (former) monopoly status.

    "Former"? In many areas, the incumbent cable ISP retains a monopoly on home Internet access with a data transfer quota exceeding 100 GB/mo. This lets the cable ISP dump TV service on its Internet subscribers by pricing a bundle of Internet access and basic TV the same as Internet alone, leaving the subscriber to pay only the local network affiliate retransmission consent royalty and the regional sports royalty. The competing ISPs would charge several times more for the same cap, as they're limited by their satellite or cellular last mile.

  20. Re:Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the ol by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

    Nah. Netflix's "Kids mode" is plenty nice.