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Columnist Mocks The Case Against Cord-Cutting As 'Too Many Choices' (techhive.com)

An anonymous reader quote TechHive: The cord-cutting naysayers are trotting out a new argument in favor of cable, and it's even more absurd than the old ones: Having too many high-quality, standalone streaming services, they say, is actually bad for consumers, who are apparently helpless at using technology or making sound purchase decisions... The New York Post's Johnny Oleksinski concluded that all those sneering hipsters who've had the nerve to ditch cable are about to get their comeuppance -- in the form of additional services to choose from... By now, anyone who's actually cut the cable cord should be screaming out in unison: No one's making you subscribe to all these services! You can pick the ones you care about most, rotate between services, or occupy your screen time with a growing number of other digital distractions...

I will concede that if you want to use multiple streaming services, trying to sift through them all can be confusing. But even this concern is blown entirely out of proportion by naysaying pundits, who seem to ignore solutions that already exist. Roku, Amazon Fire TV, and Apple TV all offer universal search across services like Netflix and Hulu, while features like Roku Feed and the Apple TV TV app demonstrate how system-wide browsing is getting easier. Besides, using a handful of apps to get what you want isn't that burdensome -- especially for the growing audience of people who've been raised on smartphones... consumers are smarter than they're getting credit for. That's why cable subscriptions continue to plunge, even as these bogus stories keep popping up like clockwork.

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  1. 2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's 2017 and those are 90's arguments.

    1. Re:2017 by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One guy makes a point that you might not save a lot of money by cord cutting and buying into several streaming services. Then we get a spate of reactionary articles that take some kind of offense like he's out to stop cord cutting. Guess there's not much better to do on a Sunday.

    2. Re:2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair here, it is going to be problematic when everyone wants to have their own paid streaming service. Instead of being able to watch everything on a few services, like Netflix or Amazon Prime, it is looking like everyone wants their own specific streaming site, sometimes paid with ads, and is pulling their content to put it on their own service. The issue is not that 'people are confused' so much as people are annoyed, and that everyone wants their own piece of the pie to the point where the ideal situation of having what you want on demand is going to be quite costly when you effectively have to pay for every 'channel' separately.

      This isn't an argument for cable (which is technologically obsolete and will inevitably go the way of the radio drama), so much as it is one against overly fracturing streaming services. I already pay for Netflix and Prime quite happily, and I'm not inclined to pay for a dozen more things, except maybe for a biennial one month subscription to binge watch several shows and then cancel. That seems to be what Disney ect. want, so rather than a constant revenue stream, that's what they'll get. Well, that and some piracy.

    3. Re:2017 by sycodon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just wondering who asked this guy anyway?

      Seems like an opinion in search of an issue.

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    4. Re:2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you might not save a lot of money by cord cutting and buying into several streaming services.

      And this right here is why I'm staying with piracy. The cable companies force me to buy bundles of crap channels just so I can get the three or four I actually watch. And now streaming services want me to subscribe to all or nothing, and I need to subscribe to three competing services to get those three or four channels I watch. And if I want to watch a sports game, I basically need to buy another Ferrari for one of the players....

    5. Re:2017 by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Isn't that the definition of what is written by a columnist?

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    6. Re:2017 by Vermonter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The columnist misses the point. No one is complaining that $99.99/month for 700 channels they want isn't a good deal, people are complaining that they are paying $99.99/month for the 3 or 4 channels they want, and they get 696 channels thrown in that they don't want. The problem for most people is not the value of the channels (although that certainly is it's own debate), the problem is you have to buy all this stuff you don't want just to get the little you do want.

      How would you feel if you only had one place you could go to for ice cream, and even though you only want one scoop of vanilla and one scoop of chocolate, you are forced to buy one scoop of ever flavor and pay $50? That business model wouldn't work, even if it were a monopoly, because people realize they don't need ice cream *that* badly. And people are starting to realize they don't need TV *that* badly, either, especially since their need for video content is being more and more fulfilled by the internet.

    7. Re:2017 by Robert+Goatse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That guy does have a valid point in 2017 even. I've thought about cutting the FiOS cord but you'll get nickel and dimed for XYZ streaming service that it's just easier to keep cable. Sure you could have Netflix for movies (old ones), Hulu and/or Sling for current TV shows but what about local sports? Let's hope you have an OTA antenna that picks up the local games. By the time you add up Netflix, HBO, Hulu, and whatever else, you're almost at the cable price point. So why bother switching when cable TV, for one monthly price, just works(tm).

    8. Re:2017 by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The cable company (or companies) who paid him to write the column?

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    9. Re:2017 by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      What kills me further is that we're still dealing with 1990s tech when it comes to interfacing with cable tv boxes. I get a remote with arrow keys and a bunch of buttons that do random things. 700 channels....how, exactly, do I find the one I want? The fastest solution I've found is to pull up TV Guide on my laptop, enter my cable provider, and then scroll through the giant list. It's faster than what my cable provider gives me. And can I hide everything I don't get? Nope. Because somehow, clicking through hundreds of channels I don't get, each one pausing, then throwing up a "buy me now" button is going to make me want to spend another $50 every month?
       
      How is it that we have not been able to get past a remote and the ridiculously terrible set-to-box software yet? To take your analogy further, you bring home all the flavors, and then are required to scoop out the one you want with a spoon taped to a pool noodle with your eyes closed.

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    10. Re:2017 by lucm · · Score: 2

      It's 2017 and those are 90's arguments.

      No they're not. The disney situation is an eye-opener. Suppose you're already paying for netflix; now all the disney content goes away, so you have to not only pay another monthly fee to another company, but you also have to deal with a whole other platform. Are disney going to have good mobile apps, plus a web viewer, plus apps for smart TVs, plus console apps? Unlikely.

      Then BBC will do the same, and AMC, and CBS, and pretty soon you've got 6 or 7 streaming services with narrow offerings, shaky infrastructure and buggy apps. And they'll all stuff their channel with thousands of hours of meaningless low-budget crap to complement their 3 good shows. That's how you end up with shows like Backyard Bounty or terrible subtitled korean dramas on Netflix.

      We all know that cable companies shove unwanted junk down the throat of their customers with their packages and bundles, but having 9 different streaming services is not the answer.

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    11. Re:2017 by Woldscum · · Score: 2

      Then the market will decide the winners and losers. The losers will be the next Blockbuster. Hopefully something new will come along and be the next Netflix. Hulu can burn in hell with the paid ads. I have been voting with my wallet since 2010 and have taken $110 a month out of the bottom line of Cox.

    12. Re:2017 by Gussington · · Score: 1

      I never understood why TV and movies don't go down the Pay Per View model. It clearly works for Sports broadcasting so why not movies and TV?
      As long as the pricing is reasonable it should net more revenue for content producers than any other model.

    13. Re:2017 by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      The on-screen guide on my cable box is great. The channel numbers are laid out in a more or less logical fashion. I can scroll a page at a time, not just one channel at a time. I can hide channels I'm not interested in and actually mark my favorite channels so they're easy to find. The DVR is also drop-dead simple to use.

      That's from Charter in a small town in Alabama. Where do you live?

    14. Re:2017 by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lots of reasons. Netflix and Hulu let you watch what you want, when you want. HBO is scheduled viewing but they have an on demand service now as well. But the biggest draw (for me) is that the shows are not interrupted by ads. After a couple of years of netflix, HBO (and sure: the Pirate Bay as well), I found cable TV to be unbearable to watch, what with the ridiculous amount of advertising.

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    15. Re:2017 by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Hopefully the market will see someone with sufficient clout to force a good deal with the content providers, similar to what Apple did with the music industry. You don't want to have to license each individual show (or bundle of shows) for a specific region and time frame at a specific price. That's why a lot of stuff disappears from Netflix: if the number of viewers drops below a certain value, the price for a blanket license for that content becomes too high. In an age of digital abundance, that is ridiculous.

      What we need is content licensing similar to music streaming: on a per item, per play basis. In that model, it would be in the content providers' best interest to offer as much content as possible (unless they have more profitable competing licensees on different platforms, like with new movies or TV series). And it would be in their interest to offer it to as many streaming services as they can. Sure, there'd be some exclusive deals, but most likely they would be on specific content and for a limited time only. The exception would be "original content" made by the streaming service.

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    16. Re:2017 by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem is the big content companies are starting to pull their shows from existing streaming services and plan to start their own.

      Sorry, but by the time you subscribe to multiple streaming services just to get all the varied content you want, you're better off with cable and the big bite vs. being nibbled to death by all the little ones combined....

      My wife complained about our cable bill and wanted other options after hearing some of her co-workers talk about cord-cutting and streaming. So I had her make a list of the shows/channels she wanted and that we'd need for our daughter. Then we started a research quest to fond out where we could get them. It would have taken 4 different streaming services to get most of what we wanted...

    17. Re:2017 by careysub · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      The key issue people have had with the subscription service we call "cable TV" is their (former) monopoly status. But some of the issues is a feature of subscription services in general, which need to price their services according to usage by some sort of "average" viewer utilization, with low users subsidizing heavy users. There is no getting around this.

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    18. Re:2017 by djrosen · · Score: 2

      Nickel and dimed? easier to keep Cable? I have been in Texas for 19 years. I got DirecTV when I moved here and I had the top package. Every premium channel they offered, once the deal wore off I was paying about $100 and there was no DVR back then. Then they let you BUY a DirecTivo, you owned it, no rental and they charged $5 a month for the privilege of using that thing you own. Then came the yearly increases. Package wasn't changing, hardware wasn't changing but soon I was paying over $150 for the exact same channels. I have since got rid of all the premium content and shaved back the service and I am STILL paying $100 for less than I had. Netflix has gone up what, $3 for the streaming service over the years?

      Once you sign up for the content you never have to deal with it again. Get a device that attaches to them all (there are several) and you have a much better choice to cost ratio and that is what cord cutting is all about.

    19. Re:2017 by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > One guy makes a point that you might not save a lot of money by cord cutting and buying into several streaming services.

      A bogus argument on both sides.

      Multiple streaming services are still cheaper.

      You don't have to replicate your old cable bundle.

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    20. Re:2017 by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Are disney going to have good mobile apps, plus a web viewer, plus apps for smart TVs, plus console apps? Unlikely.

      Netflix manages it. So does HBO.

      So it is clearly a solvable/solved problem. There may even be tools that the streaming services can buy to make life simpler for them (like the game industry).

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    21. Re:2017 by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Because the assumption is you have to buy all these streaming services. Sort of like paying for all those premium services that the cable companies offer you...think before you post Potsy.

    22. Re:2017 by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      It's not a valid point. The assumption is you buy all the streaming services available. This is obviously not a valid assumption. But then I guess, via your cable service, you pay for HBO, Showtime, Starz, EPIX and Cinemax.

    23. Re:2017 by guacamole · · Score: 1

      people are complaining that they are paying $99.99/month for the 3 or 4 channels

      People complaining about this are basically those who want to have the premium movie channels like HBO, Starz, Cinemax, etc, and don't care about any other programming. This small group of people is indeed served well by something like Netflix.

      On the other hand, I and a lot of people like me belong to the opposite group. We want live news, more than one channel, sports, AMC+FX, Comedy, Cartoons, and a few mostly "documentary" show channels like Discovery, History, and Travel. My group is served really really poorly by something like Netflix or Amazon Prime.

    24. Re:2017 by guacamole · · Score: 1

      You seem to contradict yourself. First you say that Netflix lets you watch whatever you want, then you admit that HBO lets you watch on demand. Please. Why don't you save everyone time, and not write that?

      Next, why do you assume that Cable TV is all about movies and TV shows? How about live news, sports, cartoons and comedy shows that political commentary of the day? How about documentaries? How about watching AMC and FX TV shows as they are released instead of a year later, when they're already last years news? Imagine the face of your coworkers when you try to discuss an episode a year after it came out "oh, that guy.. who doesn't use camble mmokay"

    25. Re:2017 by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We are talking about $80-$100 a month for cable service here once you include all of the taxes and fees and mandatory rentals. It takes a TON of streaming subscriptions to hit a number like that. Honestly, an OTA antenna, Netflix, and Amazon Prime (which you probably already have) will cover 90% of your requirements easily. Maybe add Hulu if there's something on there you want to watch. You're still somewhere around 1/3 the price of cable, and unlike cable your shows don't have ads (except on the antenna and maybe on Hulu).

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    26. Re:2017 by guacamole · · Score: 1

      WTF you get the 200/mo figure? Please? What planet you live on? I get a pretty much full U-verse cable package for like 110 a month, and that includes renting their DVR, rest of equipment, access to on-demand content, and individual channel apps, either on PC or mobile devices, free of data charge if I happen to use their cell phone service too.

      Please, stop that BS talk.

    27. Re:2017 by jandrese · · Score: 1

      This has been tried, AppleTV for example lets you buy shows/movies one at a time. It's largely a failure because the price points are ridiculous. They want to charge $3 per episode of a TV series, which is downright silly compared to a Netflix subscription at $10/month.

      The only time it might make sense is if you're considering subscribing to HBO only to watch Game of Thrones for a season and absolutely nothing else, but honestly the difference is so marginal that it's almost certainly better to do the HBO subscription and watch a couple of movies and/or other TV shows too.

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    28. Re:2017 by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I just stopped watching tv. Going back now is painful. How did I live with commercial breaks every 8 minutes for 4 minute intervals?

      My girlfriend loves football. Watching a game is painful. With all the stopping for annoying commercials.

      What is going to be interesting is when all the millennial s hit 30and still don't have cable and have to watch something prime time. That is going to change the cable industry. Millions of new home owners but only thousand of new cable subscribers

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    29. Re:2017 by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I can't watch Game of Thrones and Ray Donovan at the exact same time. So you don't need to subscribe to three or four streaming services at the same time. Use HBO Go for a few months and binge on the shows there. Then cancel, and get CBS All Access or Hulu Plus for a few months. Then cancel, and get Starz. etc... etc...

      If you insist on getting all first run episodes on release, then it won't work. But that's your problem, not theirs.

    30. Re:2017 by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      But how will they advance their "I don't have a TV" snobbery agenda without made up numbers? Tyey need to feel "superior" because they are "different"

      However, I can see the bill going that high easily, especially with all the nickle-and-diming the cable companies do. You want another box to watch cable on another TV somewhere in your house? That's another $10/month. Want to get the DVR on that extra box? That's another 5-10/month. Want HD? That's an extra $10/month. Oh, why is the bill so much more than the advertised price? Well, there's the taxes, the sports channel fee, all these regulatory fees we don't mention up front, etc etc etc. I can easily see someone with multiple TVs and/or several movie channels hitting and breaking 200/mo. for cable and internet (more if you want a "landline" phone)...

      What's that? You want to "cut the cord"? OK, getting internet-only the price is jacked up unless you get the right cable TV add-on bundle... Oh, and the popular channels you actually want? Those are only available in the highest package tier....

      And now the studios are starting to pull their stuff from Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon and all start their own? Sure, you can have 10 different service subscriptions with 10 different companies with monthly fees and different clients and software for each one.....

    31. Re:2017 by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      I don't really want a different app for each of the 7 services I need to buy to replicate what I use in my cable bundle. Each app with a different UI, different login, different device compatibility, different DVR/On-Demand capabilities... no thanks.

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    32. Re:2017 by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      I can get news and political commentary off websites. And I take a tiny fraction of the money I used to spend on paid television and buy the kids entire seasons of Looney Tunes / Spongebob / The Wizards of Waverly Place / Scooby Doo.

      And most of my friends and family aren't in the tech industry, and we still switched to discussing shows to buy or rent instead of catching them live.

      For live sports, I can catch the local stuff OTA with an HD antenna. I'm not paying for ESPN or similar.

    33. Re:2017 by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      You don't have to subscribe to all of the streaming services at the same time. And your daughter is fine with DVDs.

      So you subscribe to HBO for a few months, then Starz for a few, etc... and take the rest of the money you save and buy her a season of Dora or Mythbusters or Spongebob once a month.

    34. Re:2017 by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Of all the movies and TV shows I purchased on disk years ago, I've watched maybe one a second time.

      I'm just not one to watch something over and over again. And part of it has to do with technology... I no longer have a VHS player hooked up, and the quality of VHS and DVD are sub-par today. The same can happen with online services; the app may not be available on future TVs a few years from now and the quality will likely not be upgraded for free.

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    35. Re:2017 by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Thankfully she grew out of Dora, she doesn't care for Spongebob anymore (and we're glad because really, they are all kinda horrible people there in Bikini Bottom). She does love Mythbusters interestingly enough, even though she's only 8....

      YouTube has become more preference except for Pokemon for Video these days....

    36. Re:2017 by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      people are complaining that they are paying $99.99/month for the 3 or 4 channels

      People complaining about this are basically those who want to have the premium movie channels like HBO, Starz, Cinemax, etc, and don't care about any other programming. This small group of people is indeed served well by something like Netflix.

      On the other hand, I and a lot of people like me belong to the opposite group. We want live news, more than one channel, sports, AMC+FX, Comedy, Cartoons, and a few mostly "documentary" show channels like Discovery, History, and Travel. My group is served really really poorly by something like Netflix or Amazon Prime.

      I'm going to have to disagree. We pretty much only use Netflix - which has lots of variety. The kids don't even know what a commercial is, and use Netflix on their own tablets to watch cartoons, etc. The AMC+FX/Comedy/Cartoons/Documentation/DIscovery/History/Travel stuff is pretty much all there.

      Now where it breaks down is when companies like Disney and HBO go and setup their own services. Having competing services is great; but it doesn't work when the major content producers wall off their stuff like that. Netflix and Amazon got into original content primarily because of the other content producers refusing to enter into licensing agreements (or refusing to renew their agreements) after the popularity showed. (I didn't say Hulu b/c Hulu is basically a front for a number of existing producers.)

      Some of the limitations of only using Netflix would be overcome by also getting Amazon Video and Hulu...but it's not important enough to us.

      So while some content producers are making it a problem (HBO, Disney) with their own walled gardens; TFA fails in that its a matter of choice in what you want and healthy competition (which is severely lacking in the Cable/SatTV businesses) is a good thing.

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    37. Re:2017 by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      You seem to contradict yourself. First you say that Netflix lets you watch whatever you want, then you admit that HBO lets you watch on demand.

      So, HBO has a competing service to Netflix that is very Netflix like (but what I hear really really sucks). That's how they do the On-Demand aspect. HBO is otherwise like any other Premium CableTV channel. If you have an appropriate Cable TV subscription you get free access to their Netflix-like service; but you're still in their walls - and limited to their content.

      If you cut the cord, you can buy access to HBO's On-Demand Netflix-like service too - it's about the same cost as Netflix IIRC. Several other content producers (Disney being the latest) are doing the same thing, falsely assuming they provide enough value on their own to demand their own walled garden. I think HBO got successful simply because they linked in their Cable TV subscribers as a complimentary service...but I haven't looked into how many use it outside of that; I do, however, suspect it would have a hard time truly competing with Netflix in an apples-to-apples market.

      So all-in-all, the SatTV/CableTV experience just sucks and you're forced to use a DVR to time-shift for your on-demand aspect or create and sign-in to various walled gardens for their on-demand functionality linking them back to your CableTV service to get free access; but then you're usually paying north of $150/mo for that.

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    38. Re:2017 by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      We all know that cable companies shove unwanted junk down the throat of their customers with their packages and bundles, but having 9 different streaming services is not the answer.

      Yes -- if what you want is cable, your best option is probably to keep cable. There's no right or wrong here, there's just what counts as an acceptable cost/benefit ratio for you.

      The deal is that there are also a lot of people who are sick of paying the cost of cable, and who are perfectly OK with not replacing most of what cable offers. One or two services can replace it quite well. And a lot of those people don't know that they can save a ton of money without losing anything they value.

    39. Re:2017 by TemporalBeing · · Score: 2

      The biggest problem is the big content companies are starting to pull their shows from existing streaming services and plan to start their own.

      Sorry, but by the time you subscribe to multiple streaming services just to get all the varied content you want, you're better off with cable and the big bite vs. being nibbled to death by all the little ones combined....

      Agreed that is a big problem; but I don't think it'll be a long lasting problem unless they're willing to accept that only a small fraction of people will pay for their service in that style. Most are going to stick with just Netflix, Amazon Video, and Hulu - in some mix. I think HBO's competitor made it only b/c they linked in CableTV subscriptions for free - but I doubt Disney will have a long term success with it without doing the same - and those really aren't competitors to Netflix/Amazon/Hulu b/c they not truly in the same market - they basically end up as services for Cable TV subscribers.

      My wife complained about our cable bill and wanted other options after hearing some of her co-workers talk about cord-cutting and streaming. So I had her make a list of the shows/channels she wanted and that we'd need for our daughter. Then we started a research quest to fond out where we could get them. It would have taken 4 different streaming services to get most of what we wanted...

      And what was the cost difference? If you spend $40-$60 ($10-$15/each) for 4 streaming services and you're bill is $60+ lower, then you've saved money.

      We have Amazon Prime Video only b/c we already have Amazon Prime since we save enough on shipping and other expenses to cover it. Otherwise we only use Netflix at $10/month. That's our entire "streaming services" bill. Any cable TV/sat TV bill would easily add at minimum $15-$20/month just for regional, $30-$40/month for basic subscriptions - and then you get additional equipment fees on top of that.

      Simply put do a real cost analysis and not just a what services would we need analysis. That's only half the job.

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    40. Re:2017 by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Now consider who you're talking about... The cable content producers (Disney, HBO, etc) are basically the ones creating and threating to create their own walled garden services and then block licensing deals with any other streaming service, and then complaining that their proliferation of services makes cord-cutting more costly than Cable TV services to start with...

      Honestly, I don't think the market will fall for their shenanigans. HBO basically has success with their streaming service b/c you get it automatically if you're a customer via Cable TV, which is probably the vast majority of their streaming customers. The same will probably happen with Disney. And the market will probably continue on with Amazon, Hulu, and Netflix and no one watching the HBO/Disney/etc content that they refuse to share.

      IOW, those content producers are going to have a big wakeup call when they realize they've been left behind b/c of their failure to do license deals with other services. Because that's all their wall gardens are going to do. Kids in 5-10 years may not even think about Disney...

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    41. Re:2017 by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Does your box allow you to create a favourites list? I did that for my parents and just added every channel they subscribed to the list.

    42. Re:2017 by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

      The solution is simple:
      Stop watching sports (preferred as it's not likely providing you much value in your life outside of entertainment), or spend a amount ($ value) of your time finding free streams of sports events until someone decides that the BS is too much and does what iTunes did for music for Sports.

      My guess, however is that a break-up of the sports monopoly by some outside party (even apple) won't happen because most people watching sports are doing so to distract them selves from reality and the feeling that they should do something real. Fun fact: the word sport means to literally "carry away" (the mind from serious matters), from des- "away" (see dis-) + porter "to carry," from Latin portare "to carry" - which likely explains why governments since the Romans have been building stadiums / subsidizing them.

    43. Re:2017 by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Then the market will decide the winners and losers.

      No it won't. The market liked Netflix, where you could get a wide range of content at a good price. The content owners didn't like it, so they killed that model. The market wanted that model, but the market is easily manipulable and often has to choose between multiple poorer offerings.

    44. Re:2017 by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      I found cable TV to be unbearable to watch, what with the ridiculous amount of advertising.

      I can't even stand to watch cable TV shows *on Netflix without ads* anymore. The ads are insufferable but without the ads you realize just how terrible the shows are on top of that.

      "Jim and Karah are looking at houses. They want a $10k. house on the beach..."
      Fade to
      "... When we left Jim and Karah they were looking at a house on the beach for $10k..."
      Fade to
      "Hi my name is Karah, and my name is Jim and we're really wanting a $10k house on the beach."

      #()@)! GET ON WITH IT ALREADY! The ads are so insufferable that they have to run recaps every 10 seconds in case you just tuned out due to the 5 minutes of ads.

    45. Re:2017 by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      I always thought of Spongebob as teaching by counterexample. "This is the greedy jerk." "This is the narcissistic artist type." "This is the whiny teenager." "This is the procrastinating teenager." So maybe someday a kid says, "I sound like Patrick Star. Maybe I'm doing something wrong with my life."

      But mostly, many - though not all - episodes are surprisingly funny. When my kids started watching I resigned myself to cartoon equivalents of Barney the Purple Parent Torturer, but I found myself laughing a lot.

    46. Re:2017 by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Imagine the face of your coworkers when you try to discuss an episode a year after it came out "oh, that guy.. who doesn't use camble mmokay"

      In the places where I work, anyway, nobody ever really talks about TV shows. It's just not a thing. I think the last time I heard someone mention a TV show was three years ago.

    47. Re:2017 by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I never understood why TV and movies don't go down the Pay Per View model.

      Because it's easier to get people to overpay for a huge bundle of crap than it is to get them to overpay for a single item.

    48. Re:2017 by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, they were often laugh out loud funny, just not "role-models" (but not every character needs to be one either :) )

    49. Re:2017 by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      "Commercials," (advertisements) help offset delivery costs.

      What's your replacement business model?

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    50. Re:2017 by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Then BBC will do the same, and AMC, and CBS, and pretty soon you've got 6 or 7 streaming services with narrow offerings, shaky infrastructure and buggy apps. And they'll all stuff their channel with thousands of hours of meaningless low-budget crap to complement their 3 good shows.

      And then they'll go bankrupt, or they'll kill off the streaming service. Following those disastrous forays into streaming content, either they or the new owners will license their content to one or more of the surviving streaming services. It's already happening..

      Eventually the streaming market will reach a new equilibrium, with a small handful of players because people don't like overchoice or over paying.

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    51. Re:2017 by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      You're not served poorly by VoD services!

        Most of the content you mentioned is available on Hulu.

      If you never had cable you'd still have "your shows" but they'd be the shows on your VoD service and you wouldn'y even be aware of "TrashPickers: Medical Waste New Jersey" or "HGTV: First Time Double Wide Buyers of the Meth Belt" or whatever the fuck it is that they've zapped fips into thinking they should be paying $64k for over the course of their lifetimes.

      You could circumnavigate the globe in a cruise ship with a spouse and two children for the cost of seeing this garboge.

    52. Re:2017 by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem is the big content companies are starting to pull their shows from existing streaming services and plan to start their own.

      Sorry, but by the time you subscribe to multiple streaming services just to get all the varied content you want, you're better off with cable and the big bite vs. being nibbled to death by all the little ones combined....

      My wife complained about our cable bill and wanted other options after hearing some of her co-workers talk about cord-cutting and streaming. So I had her make a list of the shows/channels she wanted and that we'd need for our daughter. Then we started a research quest to fond out where we could get them. It would have taken 4 different streaming services to get most of what we wanted...

      Ok, so, since most Streaming services are in the $10/mo. range, your 4 Streaming services would be around $40 total.

      That still sounds like a "deal" over 200 cable channels for $150 or more.

      Remember, you must factor-out internet cost; since you WILL be having that no matter what.

    53. Re:2017 by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      WTF you get the 200/mo figure? Please? What planet you live on? I get a pretty much full U-verse cable package for like 110 a month, and that includes renting their DVR, rest of equipment, access to on-demand content, and individual channel apps, either on PC or mobile devices, free of data charge if I happen to use their cell phone service too.

      Please, stop that BS talk.

      Yes, but it's U-Verse.

    54. Re:2017 by lucm · · Score: 1

      That was maybe true with the current Netflix. But if Disney, AMC and others pull their content to have their own streaming service, what's left on Netflix is a handful of good shows and an ocean of garbage. That's basically the same model as the cable company and their shitty bundles.

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    55. Re:2017 by nasch · · Score: 1

      I don't think he meant that due to market forces everyone will get exactly what they want. Only that from the available choices, some will succeed and some will fail based on how many people choose to subscribe. That doesn't mean that everyone or any particular person will be delighted with the winners. If people stay away from all of the segmented services (CBS All Access, HBO Now*, etc) in droves, then they'll all fail, and we'll be left with the aggregators such as Netflix and Amazon. I expect some will stick around, and some will not make it.

      * after GoT is over, probably their subscription numbers will fall off a cliff

    56. Re:2017 by nasch · · Score: 1

      Amazon does that. Some things are free with Prime, and others you have to pay for a la carte.

    57. Re:2017 by Obfiscator · · Score: 1

      This is one thing I love about French TV: only one commercial break in the middle of a standard "30 minute" (US) program. I can deal with one commercial break.

      It's also why I started watching more soccer. I'm tried of commercial breaks. And once you learn a bit about a sport (any sport, I imagine, that is played on a high enough level where there is no way I could replicate what they are doing), it becomes fun, even if it's nothing I was interested in growing up.

      <flamewar>EPL is the best league to watch, obviously.</flamewar>

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    58. Re:2017 by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      But some of the issues is a feature of subscription services in general, which need to price their services according to usage by some sort of "average" viewer utilization, with low users subsidizing heavy users. There is no getting around this.

      There is no reason that you have to use the all-you-can-eat business model. I would be very content with a business model where I paid $1/hour for my entertainment if I could choose from any movie I wanted. Yes, it's not a subscription model but it would likely be a profitable model. I have no desire to pay $8/month for B movies from netflix but I regularly pay $1+ at redbox for movies I actually want to watch. I would gladly pay $15-$20/month if I could watch exactly what I wanted without hunting. Amazon/VUDU/google play is closer to what I want with just being able to rent specific titles. The only problem with that is their pricing is off. I'm not going to spend $4 to rent a movie when the dvd is only $5. If Amazon switched and made the rental of all streaming titles at 10% of the price of the physical disk, I would use them exclusively. That would make new releases approximately $2 (or slightly more than redbox) and bargain basement and B movies the appropriate 50cents they should be.

    59. Re:2017 by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I just hit up my cable company's website and put together a package with all the basic stuff that people are going to want these days (college sports, family, HD package, variety), and a couple of the super popular premium channels like HBO and Showtime, and it was $175/mo without even looking at set top boxes.

      $200 isn't much of an exaggeration, given the premise of the article in question.

      Suppose I like 1 or two shows in each of those categories, I'm kinda screwed aren't I? Can't drop college sports or I won't be able to watch my favorite team, little kid's favorite show is in the family package, I've got a 1080p TV that totally goes to waste if I don't get the HD package (and it's another $10, given the cost of everything else it's worth it), and the SO likes a couple of shows that are only in the variety package. Need HBO for the GoT addiction, etc.

      You can legit need a nearly $200 subscription to watch like, 10 shows with the way cable is structured today. That's $20 a channel if that's all you're paying the cable bill for, which is insane.

      To top it all off, HBO's streaming service is cheaper than the cable premium service, so wtf is the point? Hell, my cable company has started bundling streaming to all the major streaming sites in their top tier package (which is not what I used for the above, btw). They know what's up, and they're trying to find a way to get a handle on it before things get away from them.

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  2. helpless at making sound purchase decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They're not wrong about that part. The REASON monopolies that fail us exist? We allow it. We pay them to. Consumerism as we know it marches us into bondage.

    "who are apparently helpless at using technology or making sound purchase decisions"

    1. Re:helpless at making sound purchase decisions by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think its just that sometimes change due to market forces is pretty slow. In the case of cable television, change away from them is slow because the cable market has never really been free. The market has to route around government intervention itself in this case, and its still a long road ahead.

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    2. Re:helpless at making sound purchase decisions by Rockoon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ++

      The cord cutting black market (pirating) is the best experience of them all which is evidence that government is at the core of the problem.

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    3. Re:helpless at making sound purchase decisions by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      People are not spending money on shit entertainment because of the government, surely?

    4. Re:helpless at making sound purchase decisions by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      In the case of cable television, change away from them is slow because the cable market has never really been free. The market has to route around government intervention itself in this case, and its still a long road ahead.

      No, cable television is a market that can never be efficient, what you are calling "free". The first cable provider has a natural monopoly, and they are easily able to use that to prevent a 2nd+ cable provider from rolling out their wires.

      When markets are inherently inefficient, you either get massively screwed by the incumbent business, or slightly less screwed by the government. And in the latter case, you at least have the option of voting for someone else.

    5. Re:helpless at making sound purchase decisions by Major_Disorder · · Score: 1

      People are not spending money on shit entertainment because of the government, surely?

      Simple. Because Trump is just so damn entertaining... At least at a distance.

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    6. Re:helpless at making sound purchase decisions by tbannist · · Score: 1

      People are not spending money on shit entertainment because of the government, surely?

      It's Rockoon. Everything is always and only the fault of the government. Although, I should note that occasionally he also blames everyone who isn't a libertarian...

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  3. New York Post "writers" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And how much did the cable and satellite companies pay Johnny Oleksinski to write that article?

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    1. Re:New York Post "writers" by slack_justyb · · Score: 1

      Most likely not a lot.

      I wouldn't call the New York Post "fake news", but dang if their articles aren't just trash pieces. Usually, their stories have about as much investigation a fifth grader would put into a story. I've yet read a piece from their paper where I didn't follow it up with, "That's great and all but that only works if everyone on this planet thinks exactly like you, which they don't. You've provided no argument as to why anything you've just said should matter. Nor have you stated anything that isn't your opinion cloaked in generalities." NYP isn't worth you buying a copy of their paper even if they gave you $1.00 for taking a copy.

  4. Fragmentation by renegadesx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fragmentation of services like HBO and the new Disney service will lead to a case against cord cutting, but the same can be said for piracy. A legit case against cord cutting is also a case that can be made for piracy.
    You would have thought they learned their lesson.

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    1. Re:Fragmentation by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      The question is really if the "other" streaming services can hit a critical mass. Traditionally, Disney relied on the network effect to market to kids; they could jeapordize that by not being able to access even 10-15% of the demographic. If that number is 50%, they could be in trouble with their strategy.

      If Disney is at risk, it is worse for other competitors. Sports could work (and still save money), but it comes down to the price point. Who wants to pay for a service that you still have to watch ads?!

    2. Re:Fragmentation by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Piracy is the better experience precisely because of the artificial monopolies granted. It isnt just the local cable company artificial monopolies (franchise agreements) granted by government, but also the content owner artificial monopolies (perpetual copyright) that have also been granted by government.

      Everything produced before 2003 would now be public domain under the original copyright law in America. These new proposed streaming services like Disney's would have no teeth under 14 year copyrights.

      As far as I can tell the teeth Disney currently has is based on Star Wars and Marvel properties, yet a lot of that should already be public domain. For Star Wars, only episode 3, episode 7, and that silly tweener movie would still be copyrighted. For Marvel several of the X-Man movies, Spiderman, and other assorted would already be public domain.

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    3. Re:Fragmentation by sit1963nz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nope, I have a Netflix subscription.

      I am NOT going to buy one for HBO, or Disney, or any other service. I have stopped going to the theatre because its too expensive and too many of the "must see greatest film of this year" are just over hyped crap.

      I have zero interest in being force fed adverts.

      So basically I have been pushed towards reading books, and taking up a hobby. Looking buy a small lathe and learn how to use it to make model steam engines etc

    4. Re:Fragmentation by Rockoon · · Score: 1, Funny

      A franchise agreement is hardly a monopoly.

      When they only issue 1 at a time, its a fucking monopoly you fucking statist cable company apologist fuck.

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    5. Re:Fragmentation by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      An exclusive franchise agreement is a monopoly, and I believe those agreements were exclusive when they were legal. But that's a moot point, as our model has cable companies owning the infrastructure, and infrastructure is naturally a monopoly.

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    6. Re:Fragmentation by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Smart man. Good call. I think you're very likely to enjoy that about six million times more than the TV.

    7. Re:Fragmentation by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      Yep and I have been watching a lot of youtube videos to learn the basics from.

      And from there I will get a friend around to make sure when I first use the thing in anger I will not harm myself, break a window or scare the dog.

      Possibly looking at a Seig C2 for a start and see how I go from there.

    8. Re: Fragmentation by Thundercat007 · · Score: 1

      I agree with the over hyped crap. "Movie of the year"! "Best ever!" 10 out of 10. Everyone on FB saying how great it was. Once the hype is over, it hits DVD, the fad is over. The same movie ends up with a 5.2-5.5 rating on IMDb and nobody likes the hyped turd any longer.

    9. Re:Fragmentation by chipschap · · Score: 1

      The fragmentation of services like HBO and the new Disney service will lead to a case against cord cutting

      It will also lead to a case of simply not bothering.

      I may be atypical (though hardly alone) in that I just don't have a need for TV. I do use Netflix, but if the value of that continues to be reduced, I will have no hesitation to just drop it and not be bothered. Maybe I'll keep their old-fashioned DVD service, and watch 4 or 5 movies per month.

      There are plenty of worthwhile and interesting things to do besides watch TV.

    10. Re:Fragmentation by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      HBO has been a separate paid premium option since the dawn of time. So nothing has really changed there at all.

      Disney doing this is a far more meaningful development.

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    11. Re:Fragmentation by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      Only, with a massive adoption of piracy, 1) Lots of people are breaking the law, and 2) Less and less revenue is generated to support the entertainment industry.

    12. Re:Fragmentation by Luthair · · Score: 1

      If they don't have contract terms I imagine a lot of people will start to cycle through subscriptions.

      While the devil is in the details, I'm not sure anyone other than Disney can run a service people would be willing to subscribe to - most companies don't have the depth of dersirable content. I would argue that Netflix doesn't anymore but since people need to be proactive to cancel it...

  5. Or... by scdeimos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... you could, you know, just go outside and have a life away from screens.

    1. Re:Or... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Aka, don't subscribe to video content services, option 3.

      We don't have any paid content services, and frankly there are so many channels over the air right now that we don't need paid content services.

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    2. Re:Or... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      If you are following a popular show, the longer you wait to watch it increases the change of someone telling you about the plot or reading about it in an article.

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    3. Re:Or... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Outside is so overrated. [grin]

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    4. Re:Or... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought about that, when I went overseas. But no, you have no idea *just how important* watching TV is to a lot of people's lives. They aren't just disappointed when they can't watch the latest American TV, they get upset. Angry and then bitter. It's real emotions, not crocodile tears. It's not as simple as "just turn off the TV and go outside", watching TV is a way of life for them and to remove it causes them real pain.

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    5. Re:Or... by Known+Nutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I waited until the last season before I accidentally caught an episode of Breaking Bad in a hotel room one night. When I returned home, I started watching it on Netflix. Ultimately, I waited years before I started watching the show and life has gotten on pretty well despite this atrocity.

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    6. Re: Or... by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      Nowhere did I mention exercise, let alone tell people to get some. When I'm not sitting in front of computer screens at work I prefer to be not sitting in front of computer screens anywhere at all. I like to sit outside in the sun to read actual dead tree books. I also have to maintain acreage property. When time permits I also like to go bush walking with my dog, which, I suppose would count as exercise to you but it's a luxury to me.

    7. Re:Or... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Most people have no idea how addicted they are to TV or any of its replacements. Just don't watch any TV or related content (YouTube, Torrents stuff, DVDs ...) for a week.
      Going to the movies you can do as long as it is part of a social gathering.

      I am sure most people will show signs of withdrawal. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... for some extra info.

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    8. Re:Or... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      ... you could, you know, just go outside and have a life away from screens.

      Ah yes, I wondered how long it would be before some "I don't even *own* a TV!" elite would pitch in their condescending offtopic judgement...

    9. Re:Or... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      You can rent or buy the DVD. Is there a rule you must watch it as it airs?

      Well, yes, if you want to partake in out-of-viewing cultural discussion (which is a large part of the joy of watching) then yes you need to experience it at the same time as others.

    10. Re:Or... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      You may not need it but a lot of people want to watch Game of Thrones...

      A lot of people have no life, and fantasize about murderous rampages with dragons.

      A lot of people are so worried about the value of their own life they seek to increase it by putting down others' choices.

    11. Re:Or... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > ... you could, you know, just go outside and have a life away from screens.

      Some people are capable of doing both. My time "away from the screen" is probably far more interesting than yours.

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    12. Re:Or... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Most people have no idea how addicted they are to TV or any of its replacements. Just don't watch any TV or related content (YouTube, Torrents stuff, DVDs ...) for a week.

      The 90s called. It wants it's lame argument back.

      Tivo made that a trivial affair in the 90s. Especially true if you upgraded your Tivo with an aftermarket upgrade.

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    13. Re:Or... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Sports don't make it to DVD. Nor does audiovisually presented left- or right-wing political commentary.

    14. Re:Or... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      If you're watching Tivo, you're watching TV. If anything, I watched more TV because I wasn't limited to whatever aired on PrimeTime.

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    15. Re:Or... by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Sports don't make it to DVD. Nor does audiovisually presented left- or right-wing political commentary.

      I'm sorry, are you implying that is a good thing or a bad thing? Because I could see it going either way...

      Also, most of the political commentary worth viewing ends up on Youtube...

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  6. It's called "paradox of choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's a Wikipedia page about it.

  7. Easy by jabberw0k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Age 51, computer geek since 1977. My dad began with RCA in 1947 installing television sets. We never had cable or satellite, the concept of paying for television being bonkers, so what's there to miss? Movies and CDs I can check out from the library. Seriously, paying for television?

    1. Re:Easy by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know about your library, but it takes an insane amount of time to check anything useful out from mine, and if they have a popular show the wait for it is months. Some people are happy with old shows, I guess that's fine, but there are shows that are on today that I want to watch. It's not like it's the only thing I can talk about socially, but it's nice to see a show before you hear someone talking about it or read spoilers in an article.

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    2. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Must be nice to have always been in an area with OTA. Where I am, 40 miles NE of Seattle, it's virtually impossible to get any OTA reception. The digital transition has made this even worse. None of the live TV streaming services offer all of our local channels either. Cable and Satellite are our only option if you want to watch anything where watching at the time of broadcast matters. For cost, the reality in a multi TV household is that there is no cost advantage to using something like SlingTV or PSVue over a basic cable package and a Tivo.

    3. Re:Easy by EzInKy · · Score: 2

      It's worse than that. Back when I "cut the cord" they were popping up commercials at the bottom of the screen while you were trying to watch a show. And they wanted me to pay $12,000 a decade or more for that? That was the final straw for me.

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    4. Re:Easy by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Buy a season pass from Apple or Amazon.

      Problem solved. You still paid less money.

      People just can't appreciate how much money is spent on cable relative to the cost of content. Most people just aren't numerate enough to fully grok the numbers involved.

      Cable is expensive. Content is cheap.

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    5. Re:Easy by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      $12,000 pays for a lot of DVDs, BDs, and Amazon season passes.

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    6. Re:Easy by guacamole · · Score: 1

      We never had cable or satellite, the concept of paying for television being bonkers, so what's there to miss?

      So, we get it that you have no interest in live news, sports, or watching TV shows immediately as they come out. There is tons of content that has not and will not come out on either DVD or streaming services. That's fine, but please don't try to convince the rest of public that living under the rock, like you apparently do is great and saves money, and is just as good blah blah blah.

    7. Re:Easy by tepples · · Score: 1

      Rephrased: "And they wanted me to pay an amount per month that totals $12,000 a decade or more for that?"

      Perhaps your point is that the OTT VOD services don't require a long-term commitment from subscribers. But EzInKy's point is that some people are capable of planning for the longer term.

    8. Re:Easy by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      if they have a popular show the wait for it is months.

      There are a very large number of people who couldn't care less about the wait. It's still new to them when they finally see it, after all.

    9. Re:Easy by tbannist · · Score: 2

      I don't know about your library, but it takes an insane amount of time to check anything useful out from mine, and if they have a popular show the wait for it is months.

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say your library just isn't that great. I'm not the OP, but my library runs through the entire city, with multiple branches and will generally have copies of anything that I want to borrow available in at least one of the many branches. I can then request that copy and have it at my branch within 2 days of the request being made, assuming that it's not already available in my local branch when I request it.

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    10. Re:Easy by tbannist · · Score: 1

      It's worse than that. Back when I "cut the cord" they were popping up commercials at the bottom of the screen while you were trying to watch a show. And they wanted me to pay $12,000 a decade or more for that? That was the final straw for me.

      Good lord. I never actually thought about it that way until I read that. I was paying enough to buy an extra (cheap) car every decade.

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  8. Against != For by Walter+White · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't the title read "Columnist Mocks The Case For Cord-Cutting ..."

  9. I have to agree with the naysayers for now by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 1

    I've never watched much TV as an adult, and only had cable when my roommates wanted it in college. However, there are a few things I want to watch sometimes, and it's extremely frustrating to try to find one to three services that will allow me to watch those few things at a reasonable price.
    If I watched more than this, I think it would probably be simpler and cheaper to just get cable or satellite.
    I suspect and hope that one day the shakeout that's happening now will be resolved, and real a la carte service will be available.

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    1. Re:I have to agree with the naysayers for now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Um, actually YOU are subsidizing the sports channels. A big bulk of everyones cable bill goes to ESPN.

    2. Re:I have to agree with the naysayers for now by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Um, actually YOU are subsidizing the sports channels. A big bulk of everyones cable bill goes to ESPN.

      ESPN is great if you're a New Yorker/Bostonian or live in LA or (just recently) Chicago. It absolutely sucks for everyone else. Most "sports fans" want their LOCAL teams and do not watch ESPN.

  10. what if you cut the cable... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...because you were tired of spending your limited time on earth staring at a TV? Because besides being $160/month richer, you also have a lot more time to actually do stuff and learn things and talk to people and take your dog for a walk?

    Too many choices? If you say so. I think people can handle having choices. I personally choose not to participate.

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    1. Re:what if you cut the cable... by orlanz · · Score: 1

      I stopped watching cable around 2002. But since 2005 I have had cable only because it was cheaper to bundle the internet with some basic TV package; than just the internet. It also stops the annoying quarterly calls from the cable company about how they can make my life so much better with a more expensive package.

      I don't think people have really "watched" TV for a long time. Its just some moving picture in the background at parties and dinners. No one schedules their lives around shows anymore. Around 2008 my friends even stopped bothering to schedule the box to record stuff for later viewing.

      So other than the football games, I think people have realized that cable was an expensive way to have a moving picture as wallpaper...

    2. Re:what if you cut the cable... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin can openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked-up brats you have spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life . . . But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    3. Re:what if you cut the cable... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      ...because you were tired of spending your limited time on earth staring at a TV? Because besides being $160/month richer, you also have a lot more time to actually do stuff and learn things and talk to people and take your dog for a walk?

      Too many choices? If you say so. I think people can handle having choices. I personally choose not to participate.

      And many would argue that experiencing art is one of the joys and points of being human. Whereas walking your dog is.... walking. With a dog.

      It's fine that you don't feel you want to watch TV - go nuts. But not everything on TV is some valueless exercise, sometimes it's awesome art. Sometimes it's history. Sometimes it's that thing that you use to talk to and connected with other people.

    4. Re:what if you cut the cable... by volmtech · · Score: 1

      How much do you spend eating out? How do you obtain free internet service? How old is your car? How much are your rent and property taxes? I have old cars with no payments. I don't eat out. My low end dwelling is payed for, property tax is $600 a year. I enjoy live college football. My physical condition limits my time out in the heat. $150 a month for my satellite TV and internet is a bargain.

  11. content as a monopoly by layabout · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cord cutting reveals the content distribution chain as a series of monopolies. By copyright law, the producer of content owns a monopoly. But through subsequent licensing deals, additional monopolies are created. Like the last mile pipe, content distribution networks, and DNS, streaming infrastructure is a shared service that provide benefit to everyone on the net yet when commercially owned creates monopolies or walled gardens.

    I remember interview with some Hollywood type in which they expressed a strong hatred for streaming services because the brand was no longer the studio or the production house but it was the program itself. The same effect is happening with streaming services. I don't think of "Man in the high Castle" as part of the Amazon brand. Its brand is "Man in the high Castle".

    I think it's past time for a RAND policy for all content and a method of making sure everyone gets paid

    1. Re:content as a monopoly by houghi · · Score: 1

      It is marketed that way. If I think of NCIS, I do not think about the production house or the cable company. If they think their branding is not apparent enough, they should talk to their marketing department.

      Or do you think "Disney" when you say "Star Wars"?

      I personally do not care if everybody gets paid. "But then they would not make anything anymore." For me, nothing of value will be lost, even if I enjoyed some of the content.

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    2. Re:content as a monopoly by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Or do you think "Disney" when you say "Star Wars"?

      I didn't used to, but I have for the last few years, sure. Disney purchasing Lucasfilm isn't a big secret among the public at large. It's pretty much the whole reason why Episode 7 happened at all.

  12. Re:Cord-cutting by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's absolutely a viable option. There is more produced every day than you could ever hope to consume in a lifetime. "Cord cutting" is mainly a matter of getting over your current addiction, and acquiring a new one.

    Whatever it is that you 'want' to watch on cable, there's another option online that will entertain you just as much.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  13. It is, though. by bistromath007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having too many streaming services isn't "too many choices" it's "too many bills."

    1. Re:It is, though. by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      There is nothing wrong with too many bills as long as they can be configured to be paid automatically. What matters is the total amount you pay.

  14. my problem... by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    ...is that I want to be able to watch whatever I want, whenever I want. To accomplish that I would most likely need local broadcast + multiple streaming services, some of which aren't supported by the same hardware. Not a deal breaker, but the costs add up the more I have to pay for additional streaming services.

    My ideal situation would be: single streaming device, pay for movies on a per-movie basis, pay for TV shows on a per-season basis or per-episode basis (discount for purchasing whole season), pay for sporting events on a per-event basis or per-"team season" basis.

  15. No decent programs since decades by jabberw0k · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Other than Jeopardy, Masterpiece Theatre, Nova, and Nature, there hasn't been a show on television I care to watch since Cosby and Frasier. All the new stuff is full of swear words and sex, bleh, not in my living room.

    1. Re:No decent programs since decades by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      You are entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't make you representative of any majority.

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      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    2. Re:No decent programs since decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All the new stuff is full of swear words and sex, bleh, not in my living room.

      How do you know?

    3. Re: No decent programs since decades by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Having different standards doesn't mean having none.
      I'm fine with sex but not so happy about violence and religion.
      But most of all, I'm fine with people having a choice.

    4. Re:No decent programs since decades by chipschap · · Score: 1

      OK Grandpa. Make sure you're in bed before 8 and take your medicine too.

      Come on, I stay up until 10 once in a while.

    5. Re:No decent programs since decades by LoneTech · · Score: 1

      I don't have a TV. I still happen to like both Scrapheap Challenge and Mythbusters, and there are some other shows that can be interesting or amusing, such as How It's Made or Glee (do wish they'd stop putting so much awful drama in). Interests vary, naturally.

    6. Re: No decent programs since decades by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Where do you get that I'm saying fuck off to the minority? He already said he's happy and I said that's great. All I'm saying is that it isn't really relevant to the discussion because the shows he watches to be happy doesn't suit the tastes of most people because then Masterpiece Theater would be a 'popular show' which it isn't.

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      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
  16. Re:Cord-cutter... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    If you want to watch a popular show, you only have a choice if there are several services that provide that show. I doubt there are many shows that are available on several streaming services.

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    Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
  17. Different folks - different truths by RhettLivingston · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This isn't an argument that can have a single truth that covers everyone. There are some people who are experiencing the difficulties described and many who aren't. People are different with different levels of capability and tolerance. If there is no way that you will give up live access to CNN, you can't cut your cable. I cut my cable more than a decade ago and still miss certain aspects.

    In my case, I will not pay more than about $20 per month for the family beyond my internet costs for all media purchases combined. I'd likely maintain that limit even if I had limitless income because it serves the purpose of limiting my viewing time too.

    That generally means I'll pay for two services and no more. Right now, I'm just paying for Netflix and a music service. There is no chance that Disney or any other service will ever get my business unless they can fully supplant Netflix for the same price. If the price point is significantly compromised, I'll go back to watching only what is free.

  18. It would obly be better by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    If you could also cut the cord on Cable Internet. Maybe that would get some attention from the cable companies...

    There don't seem to be any choices other than surfing at the library or on your phone or connected tablet.

  19. Taking one for the team by PopeRatface · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else read that headline as "Communist Mocks The Case Against Cord-Cutting As 'Too Many Choices' ? Ah, so what. Communist, columnist, what's the difference, eh goy?

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    Oy vey! It's anudda Shoah, I tells ya! Anudda Shoah!
  20. Re:Wants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I cut the cord over two years ago and am glad for it. And I don't find any reason to download illegal content. But you are right on one thing, when you cut the cord you miss out on things only cable can deliver... which is mostly the obscene amount of your life spent watching advertising. When I travel and get to revisit the pleasure of cable in my hotel room, it typically lasts for less than 20 minutes because I will change the channel when a commercial comes on... and after doing that a couple of times I get bored, turn it off and either stream something to a tablet or just read a book.

    Anyone who says cutting the cord is a lesser experience either hasn't given it a fair shot, or... wait, I can't think of an "or". Now that I think on it, I haven't met anyone who has claimed they cut the cord for more than a couple of months and then gone back to cable. I use a Roku to tie together the streaming services of my choice. I use Roku's search or an app on my phone to track down where (i.e. which streaming service) I can find anything I want to watch. And if none of them have what I want, I still have enough money in my budget (leftover from not buying cable) to just purchase (legally) the entire season of whatever it is I feel like watching from a variety of vendors (Amazon, Google, Vudu, etc...).

    So in the past two years I have: 1 - spent less on streaming content than I previously spent on cable, 2 - watched everything I ever wanted to watch when I want to watch it, 3 - gotten I don't know how many hours of my life back by not being forced to watch so many darn commercials. I can't think of a downside.

  21. Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the old by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Streaming used to be seen as an alternative to cable, but let's face it: It's turning out to be the same. Yes, yes, you can now choose when to watch your show instead of having to wait for it to appear on X-day Y-time, but face it, the difference is nonexistent. Now, instead of watching it when it's aired you watch it when it is available for streaming, and if you want to watch it later, you basically save yourself the VCR programming, because that's basically what watching it later than release essentially is.

    Well, maybe (soon) without the ability to skip ads.

    No ads you say? There were no ads in cable either in the beginning. Give it time.

    The rest is already the same as cable was. Again you get different streaming providers that offer different content, which isn't so different from the different cable packages. Again you get to pay for provider (package) A, even though you are only interested in 10% of its programming. You'd want to watch show B, but show B is only available from provider (package) C, so you either have to shell out another X bucks to get that provider (package) even though all you really want from it is that one show and you couldn't care less for the rest of what comes bundled with it.

    Face it: Streaming is the new cable. You just let someone else rip you off.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  22. One possibly real downside by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    There might be an actual downside: many new services require a new monthly charge. It's possible that if you want to get a wide array of content you'll end up paying as much or more as for cable. Personally, I'd rather take that chance than be forced to pay for a ton of channels that I definitely will never view.

    1. Re:One possibly real downside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd rather take that chance than be forced to pay for a ton of channels that I definitely will never view.

      The cable bundlers have always argued that you will absolutely pay more for even a few channels, especially if your tastes are somewhat offbeat. For example if you like Discovery Channel, Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild, that bundle might cost you a bunch when all of the people who want ESPN and live sports aren't subsidizing you anymore. Of course, this hasn't ever really had a real test so nobody knows what would actually happen. It would be an interesting economic experiment to be sure, but the downside risk to you is that cable providers figure out that they can drop everything except sports and still make almost as much money as they have been doing for years, leaving those who like NPR, nature programs and other "high brow" offerings out in the cold.

  23. Re:New York Post!! Why??? by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    The question is - Why does someone read the New York Post? Spending time talking about an article on the New York Post is a waste of time.

    Just to aggravate the hell out of twerps like you is one good reason.

  24. TiVo by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"Roku, Amazon Fire TV, and Apple TV all offer universal search across services like Netflix and Hulu[...]"

    You left out TiVo, which was not only first, but still one of the most powerful. Couple it with either cable or OTA antenna and go to town.

  25. Re:Cord-cutting by jshackney · · Score: 1

    Once you kick the habit, it's definitely an option. And a damn fine one.

  26. Re:Cord-cutting by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also there is a huge logical fallacy in the articles argument, which is that you will subscribe full-time to these services instead of switching every few months.

    When I first used Netflix streaming, I held the plan for about a year. Since then I subscribe for ~2 months per year because I've already exhausted their core catalog. They have some content I am not getting elsewhere, but I dont need a 24/7/365 plan to consume it.

    Amazons non-prime model is pay as you go, while their prime model is tied to more than just streaming video. Disney can do the first and that would be great, but they cant do the second at all. They are going for the Netflix model and that just isnt going to land 24/7/365 business.

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    "His name was James Damore."
  27. Re:Wants by mark-t · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is why I think anyone who says they cut the cord and can watch what they want are still downloading or streaming a fair amount illegally

    And you'd be wrong.... although I wouldn't argue that you might be right as a generalization, speaking from personal experience, after my wife and I cut our cable subscription, we still watched all of the shows that we would otherwise watch on television entirely legally, by just streaming them from the network's website. The only caveat to this was that you couldn't watch it until the day after it aired, and an episode was not available for free streaming anymore after a week.

  28. Re:Wants by sd4f · · Score: 2

    It's quite different here in Australia, cable/pay tv is not the norm here, most people have stuck with free-to-air tv. Streaming services, as a result are gaining in popularity, because they're a lot cheaper.

    With that said, free to air audiences have dropped significantly, peak audiences are about half what they were from a decade ago (excluding sport). I really watch very little TV, and go months at a time without switching it on. I tend to find more interesting things published on youtube. While I'm not indicative of everyone, it is a trend that has been noticed. There was recent market research on TV viewing habits which found that baby boomers were the only age group to maintain their screen time, all others are in decline, especially current adults in their 20's.

    This is spelling trouble for our TV networks, as their business model is significantly changing. One of the networks (there are only three free to air networks) here is close to going bankrupt.

  29. UI Fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The UI fragmentation alone will piss people off.

  30. $160 a month? by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    Seriously, people are paying nearly $20,000 a decade to watch TV? Holy shit!!

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    Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
  31. He forgot the #1 unsaid argument.... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    ....he can't share a cable stream like he can a Netflix or Hulu password. THAT'S why the cost argument falls on my cutters' deaf ears; they're already saving. If one pays the going rate, the argument isn't as nearly as compelling as the whiny author makes it out to be.

  32. Internet service bundled too by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    Where I live, internet service is pretty pricy unless bundled with cable.

    Yes, your total bill is less if you leave out cable, but the "get you coming and get you going" to pay a large monthly fee whatever you choose.

    1. Re:Internet service bundled too by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      It's probably seen as a freebie, considering the price of the package compared to alternative providers. Ziggo offer a €40/m basic cable and 40Mb/s Internet package. KPN offers an Internet-only package for €40 (based on ADSL). T-Mobile's Internet-only package is only €32 for 50Mb/s, but they seem to be quite a bit cheaper overall. I get 200Mb/s up/down, basic cable and VOIP from them for €50/m.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    2. Re:Internet service bundled too by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      I read that argument on Slashdot all of the time. But at least for me, it's not true.

      I have Comcast. My internet service is $75 per month for 25/5. There would be an additional $7 cable modem monthly rental cost if I used their device, but I bought my own.

      If I got a bundle with television, it would be $60 per month. Better, right? Except there's also a $5 per month Comcast (not government) regional sports fee, a $7 per month Comcast (not government) regional channel fee, and maybe $4 in state and federal taxes. Now I'm at $76 per month. If I want DVR service, it's an additional $10-$15 per month.

      Now you can argue that the added cost of cable is so low that it's a worthwhile purchase. But it is an added cost - who has television without DVR service these days?

      Plus, there's one added advantage of staying internet-only with Comcast: they have fewer opportunities to make errors on your billing. Every year or so I have to call Comcast and provide proof that I own my own cable modem to get them to stop adding cable modem rental fees to my bill. But when I had television service? Forget it. My channel package got more expensive every few months, and I constantly had to call to negotiate it back down. And on several occasions they started charging me for premium channel packages I never agreed to get.

    3. Re:Internet service bundled too by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I an forced to use Comcast, and get basic cable because cable + internet is $20 cheaper per month than the same level of internet alone.

      I have my own cable modem, so I don't rent theirs -- and I also have no interest in anything on basic cable, so I just returned the box without replacing it, so I don't rent that either.

    4. Re:Internet service bundled too by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Same deal, same price for me. Periodically, they call me and try to get me to sign up for cable bundle, as it is a "better deal". As you know, the devil is in the details and they refuse to tell me what the additional fees would be or to provide anything in writing, so I politely decline.

      We have been off cable for several years, and quit when we lived in a different town and the local cable was going to require a cable box. We continued with that when we moved to a town with Comcast.

      Cordcutting is only getting better and easier now.

      --
      "He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
    5. Re:Internet service bundled too by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Interesting. It must be the variety in regional pricing. The prices I gave are not hypothetical, I went right to the website and priced out my upgrade options.

    6. Re:Internet service bundled too by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Yes, pricing (and available plans) vary quite a lot from region to region.

  33. Making it a competition is just stupid by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    It's not a competition. Cable will fit better certain types of TV watchers, cord cutting will fit others better. And it's a plenty different selection of stuff.
    But the whole idea is that cord cutting is an option now, and I hope more and more people start adapting to it and stop giving money to these oligopolies.

    And I do get where the guy who wrote the original article is coming from. Disney is taking their content out of Netflix, a bunch of other production studios, branches and whatnot are creating their own video streaming services, and content is being fragmented instead of getting formed around single services.

    One service like Netflix is way cheaper than paying cable with some 200 channels or something like that, but the underlying truth about this is that it's only cheap because Netflix came early to the game, closed very lucrative deals with studios and whatnot to put their content there, and as soon as those studios starts figuring out how to do it by themselves, they'll start cancelling contracts and branching off. It is by no coincidence that Netflix is investing heavily in original content, and that Apple and other big corporations are investing money on it too - it's because of this current tendency of studios branching off and creating their own streams.

    Makes it bad for people who wants to watch a whole bunch of content that is thinly distributed around half a dozen services or more. It's too much to handle, and you start going for aggregators that are not often as easy to deal with than just cable, the price starts getting close to cable subscription too.

    It is true though that if you do take advantage of the fact that cable TV aggregates tons of content for a more or less fixed price, in order for you to do the same for streaming services it can get pricy and hard to handle plenty fast. I can understand the reluctance of families with very ecletic tastes to cord cut, specially when there's no one tech savvy there (or with not time) to handle the administration of it. You get one dad or son who wants to watch live sports, plus a kid who watches cartoon channels, a wife or whatever who watches cooking shows and variety stuff, perhaps a grandfather who has to watch live news, and a few other variables and you have a recipe for cord cutting not being an attractive solution.

  34. Re: Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the o by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Not really? Cable was first a co-op that put up a mast and pushed OTA into homes that were in a valley. Commercials were included.

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  35. Nice to have a single house on flat land by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Nice but not very common. If you are in an apartment, you can't install your own rooftop antena. If you are on/near the hills, forget about consistent reception. And finding the right place to live makes cable costs a rounding error.

  36. Too many channel choices on OTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Without trying 24 channels perfect reception excluding duplicates and religious stations with a simple $5 wire dipole jobber. Oh and perpetually updated TV guide included. Total monthly cost: $0.00.

    Cable costs at least $100/month to pay for a lot more channels I will never in my life watch /w compression jacked up considerably v. OTA.

    Tough choice...

  37. I use one service by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    I use netflix.

    I have Amazon Prime but they tried so hard to steer me into non-free content that I stopped using it.

    It was really irritating to search, find a show, dig down into the show, sometimes even the 1st episode was free, and then "oh and now it's $2.99 an episode".

    I still *have* the subscription for the free shipping. I do NOT use the streaming video (tho I might for the Tick).

    I may if they add an easy way to hide content with an additional charge in my search results.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  38. Re:Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the ol by guacamole · · Score: 1

    Streaming is good for people who want just to have one or two high quality channels, like say Netflix and Amazon. But if you have a household with kids, and everyone has his favorite show, soon you realize you want to have a full service cable subscription, because it has all the movie channels, all the cartoon channels, all the sports channels, and all the news channels.

  39. Re:Cord-cutting by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Also there is a huge logical fallacy in the articles argument, which is that you will subscribe full-time to these services instead of switching every few months.

    That's a really good point.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  40. Choice is not always cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In the UK we have choice over who we pay to watch sport. When it was a monopoly we just paid one outrageous monthly figure, now that there is competition we need to pay more to two or more companies to receive the same number of matches/events.

  41. Re: Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the o by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I'm an old fart. I distinctly remember that there were some "premium" channels that had no ads since you paid for them. Then slowly they started to have "promos" for their upcoming programming, soon after you endured "promos" for various shows they showed on other channels, and eventually when they noticed that people did actually swallow this, it was only a small step to normal ads. But only after shows and films and not interrupting them. At first, at least. Then it was just one ad block cutting a film in half.

    One slowly boiled frog later, we're now at cable being on par with OTA programming.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  42. How is streaming services bundling in crap ... by gotan · · Score: 1

    ... different from cable-companies doing effectively the very same thing?

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    "By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing... kill yourself." -- Bill Hicks
  43. Too many channels? Use Netflix DVD by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My own cure for the problem of that interesting show being on the streaming service I don't have is to wait for the end of the season, which means only about 10 episodes these days anyhow, and then view it on Netflix DVD.

    The streaming market is now in that phase after a new tech becomes popular when there are large numbers of brands on the market. It was this way with cars in the 1920s. After the forthcoming big wave of consolidation, it won't be so much of a problem.

  44. Screencutting? by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    If everyone did that, who would post replies on Slashdot?

  45. Again by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    I guess his point is: 5 bucks for a VPN and you can get all of them for free.

  46. Re:lesson; capitalism is bad by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    It's not capitalistic competition because multiple streaming services don't have the same shows. If we were talking about five streaming services that must compete on price because they all had access to play the same shows, then there would be actual competition for price. But we don't have that. Netflix usually doesn't have the current season, and now doesn't have Disney shows/movies. If you want to watch Game of Thrones you usually have to have a cable package AND pay HBO. That's not real competition, that's totally destroyed competition by contractual agreements.

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  47. Re:Cord-cutting by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I don't think it's a good point. That makes streaming even more of a pain in the ass and adds to the idea that streaming isn't working out for consumers as it should. Now I need to remember which services I am subscribing to and which I'm not? I need to predict which ones I am going to want and remember to cancel them? Man that's a pain.

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    Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
  48. Re:Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the ol by sad_ · · Score: 1

    No ads you say? There were no ads in cable either in the beginning. Give it time.

    There is a huge difference, it's very easy to stop your subscription and go to another streaming service that doesn't do ads.
    if you cancel your cable, it's so much more difficult and sometimes you even have to pay because they will 'disconnect' your cable or some other bs excuse.

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    On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
  49. Search across all at once? by aicrules · · Score: 1

    I guess I need to get on my Fire TV tonight and see. That was always something that annoyed me that I would have to open Netflix and use its search, but searching from the Fire TV I could get all the Amazon content. If this is true, I may activate my Amazon Prime again...

  50. Re:Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the ol by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    For now.

    You really think it stays that way? We're already having some film makers and distributors insisting on creating their own streaming service, meaning that you have to get show A from stream provider B, or you will not watch show A, at least not via stream. I'd expect to see some "exclusive" content very soon, and you can rest assured that pretty much everything worth watching will be "exclusive" content.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  51. The Post Office by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of those US Post Office commercials from a few years ago that were trying to encourage businesses to mail invoices and receipts because "people want a paper copy".

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    Proverbs 21:19
  52. Content is getting too fragmented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The content providers themselves are contributing to the problem. The trend towards offering content that is exclusively available only to subscribers of certain streaming providers is creating a situation where people are being driven to subscribe to multiple services to view "exclusive" content is the start of a troubling trend. Examples include:
    1) Disney pulling all of their content (including Star Wars) off of competing streaming platforms, such as Netflix, onto their new service.
    2) CBS offering content exclusively on their service, such as the new "Star Trek - Discovery", which will only be offered on "CBS All Access".
    3) Netflix and Amazon, creating shows that are only available on their respective services.

    Even those of us who have not cut the cords of cable TV, are having to subscribe to additional services to get content. I think we are beginning to see a future, where you will have to subscribe to multiple services to view content that is "exclusive" to each service, thus driving up costs for everyone.

  53. Buy Internet, get TV at almost no extra charge by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The key issue people have had with the subscription service we call "cable TV" is their (former) monopoly status.

    "Former"? In many areas, the incumbent cable ISP retains a monopoly on home Internet access with a data transfer quota exceeding 100 GB/mo. This lets the cable ISP dump TV service on its Internet subscribers by pricing a bundle of Internet access and basic TV the same as Internet alone, leaving the subscriber to pay only the local network affiliate retransmission consent royalty and the regional sports royalty. The competing ISPs would charge several times more for the same cap, as they're limited by their satellite or cellular last mile.

  54. Tangled and Frozen by tepples · · Score: 1

    Or do you think "Disney" when you say "Star Wars"?

    Do you think "Disney" when you say "Tangled" or "Frozen"? Of course you do, unless you're talking about the other Tangled or the other Frozen .

  55. Closed on Saturdays and Sundays by tepples · · Score: 1

    Movies and CDs I can check out from the library.

    Good luck getting to the library branch before 6 PM on Friday evening when it closes for the weekend. (Citations available upon request)

  56. Re:lesson; capitalism is bad by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    But it's not the type of competition that will lower prices. Maybe some people are willing to settle for whatever the streaming service they pay for has, but they are by and large getting an even trade; you pay less for netflix but they also have less desirable content to offer. On the contrary, if someone wanted to watch the Game of Throne finale last Sunday, there isn't exactly five streaming services begging you to watch it on their service, all feeling pressure to give the same quality service at a lower price.

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  57. Re:Cord-cutting by tepples · · Score: 1

    Also there is a huge logical fallacy in the articles argument, which is that you will subscribe full-time to these services instead of switching every few months.

    Rotating among services won't remain so practical as these OTT VOD services start to encourage an annual commitment by raising the monthly price. In addition, live sports streaming services tend to be sold by the season.

  58. Re:Cord-cutting by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    That depends. Last year, and probably this year, I watch a number of CW shows. Hulu doesn't carry those shows. OTOH, there's a lot of stuff Netflix & Hulu DO carry. I'd miss specific shows, but I'd still have plenty of crap to watch.

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  59. Re:Wants by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    I mean, you can pay for a few services but that probably won't give you exactly what you want.

    That entirely depends on what you want. Everyone I know that cancelled their cable TV only wanted 3 or 4 of the shows that were on it. It's very easy to replace that and still have exactly what you want.

  60. Re:lesson; capitalism is bad by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Well I didn't mention that I'm in Canada.. Apparently I can't get HBO Go. Didn't know it was available on Amazon and Google Play, but I probably can't view those either.

    Provided that Amazon and Google Play are actually competing on a level playing field as HBO themselves, then yes you're right that is adequate competition. However, I don't see how they would be competing directly with the network.

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  61. Re: Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the o by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

    I'm an old fart. I distinctly remember that there were some "premium" channels that had no ads since you paid for them

    I'm also an old fart. You remember wrong. HBO and the other premium channels always had promos for other shows on that channel. They used it to fill time so that the movies/shows would start on an even time (8pm instead of 7:52pm).

  62. Re:Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the ol by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

    Nah. Netflix's "Kids mode" is plenty nice.

  63. Re:Cord-cutting by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Nah, just choose one, and subscribe to it for a while. It doesn't matter which one. When you get bored of it, cancel it and move on to the next one. Simple. If you subscribe to the same on twice, that's not a problem either.

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  64. Sports Fans by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    Yeah, we aren't popular on /. but buying internet subs to sports just doesn't replace what I get on Dish Network:
    Cut the cord prices:
    MLB Package; $150 per year with local games blacked out
    NHL package: $140 per year and all national and local games are blacked out
    NFL, Not available so use OTA for what games are shown in my area
    Big10 sports, not available on the internet unless you have that cable/sat subscription
    NBA Don't care.
    Netflix $12.00 per month for 4K
    Crunchyroll for $7.00 per month
    Tablo OTA DVR $5.00 per month for the guide to be able to schedule recordings

    ESPN-- I only watch for NFL football so not missing that.

    Add it up and you get $60.00 per month plus what I spend at the Sports bar to watch the Packers when they aren't on local TV and I still don't have everything that my $90 per month subscription to Dish Network gets me.

    So for this sports fan that is currently experimenting with cutting the cord it doesn't look like I will save that much money.

  65. Re:lesson; capitalism is bad by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Well I didn't mention that I'm in Canada.. Apparently I can't get HBO Go.

    Sorry, didn't realize non-Americans thought they were people.

  66. Re:Wants by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    This is why I think anyone who says they cut the cord and can watch what they want are still downloading or streaming a fair amount illegally.

    I'm sure that some are doing exactly this, but my guess is most everyone who is OK with piracy is already doing it anyway.

    Anecdotally, out of a half dozen or so people I personally know who cut the cable, not a single one of them changed their piracy habits (5 don't pirate anything, 1 has been pirating for years anyway).

  67. Re:Cord cutting? Meet the new boss, same as the ol by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Crap, I forgot that doesn't work! Oh well, good luck!

    What doesn't? Commenting anonymously? Works for me. You might need some sort of incognito mode though.

  68. Re:2017 Broadcast TV by PlaynBass · · Score: 1

    Broadcast TV has degenerated into a full-time advertising and propaganda vessel for disseminating and promoting sales to the wealthiest 20%. It is used to keep the population fearful of one another, and especially to promote fear of "the other". News is propaganda, of thinly veiled free publicity for favored local businesses.

    In other words, its sole purpose is to manipulate the population to do the bidding of the status quo, to maintain sales of an unsustainable lifestyle of waste and constant impoverishment, all while dangling an unattainable vision of an impossible lifestyle of the hope that everyone could live like kings.

    The purpose is to leave the masses in a state of quivering, easily herded non-thinkers, ready to be slaughtered by a deadly diet of fast foods, enormous quantities of cheap food-like substances, and killer sodas, after being driven into poverty by a predatory pharmacological and medical system that extorts compliance under the duress of finding a so-called "cure" for the diseases caused by the Standard American Diet.

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  69. Cut the Cord by nullhero · · Score: 1

    I've done it. I ha[d|ve] AT&T U-verse. I hated paying $10 for HD service when SD service no longer exists anywhere except for cable-land so they can continue to charge extra for it. Unless I purchase 400+ channels that I don't want to watch and can't even watch. So, I downgraded to just Basic cable. This month, I finally finished the upgrade to the antenna system, Plex media server upgrade, and verified that I average 600 Gb/month on internet traffic with all the changes. Plex serves the HD antenna live stuff to my TVs (Amazingly, AT&T basic is only 20 channels but with the HD antenna I'm picking up 45 local channels). And I can pause, record with it. I have SlingTV for "cable" channels that I do care about which is probably about half of what they offer.

    Now, here is where it gets interesting. I called AT&T to cancel Basic since I'm up and running fine through my own implementation, and they guy was telling me I would be data capped to 1TB since I wouldn't have a TV service to keep it unlimited, cue scary music. When I told him that I didn't need to worry as I verified that I avg 600 GB/month and have never come close to 1TB. Then the song and dance of how great cable was and that I should at least keep the box and the basic for $19. I still told him no and then he said if I didn't cancel cable he would give it to me for $10. I asked for how long and would I need a contract? Lifetime of the service (barring the usual increases). The answer was no. When I said that I didn't have a box to view it and my Smart TV doesn't have a tuner card and I didn't want to rent a box. And he said that would be included in the $10 and no contracts. And since I kept Basic, the cost of my internet speed at 75 Mbps (top tier for Uverse in my area), would continue to be discounted and I pay $10 (the cost of HD) for unlimited internet which according to the customer service guide, is $10-15 cheaper than paying for Internet access alone and I'm back to unlimited.

    So, I'll conclude that cord cutting is freaking out (at least AT&T) the cable companies because how they bundle stuff and change are just absurd. It's not like I don't want cable but I don't need 15 different copies of the same channel, Honestly, with Netflix/Hulu/SlingTV, all my needs have been met for under $50 plus the cost of Internet access which I don't include because I would pay for that regardless of cable. The reality is I believe is that I received cable for $10 because it's more important to them to have a subscriber. I'll just call the $10 backup TV (if ever needed the box isn't even hooked up) and keep my Internet unlimited and costs down.

    So, am I still a cord cutter? As far as I'm concerned yes. Will, I stop paying for Basic? Yes. I'm in Charlotte and I'm waiting for Google Fiber to finish the roll out here (please let them finish) and then I'll get faster Internet and no longer need to carry $10 for unlimited.

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  70. forget the choices, it's too costly by ninjagin · · Score: 1

    Well, everyone likes having choices, but the problem I see is that when there's something on hulu that I want to see, then something on Amazon, and then something on RedTube, then something on Netflix and then something on (insert streaming service name here), I end up having to buy $15 subscriptions to each one and suddenly I'm paying the going rate for cable all over again.

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  71. Re:Cord-cutting by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of people base their viewing on the service they have. I base my viewing on what I want to watch. I consider being forced into the former solution a pretty big step back in terms of service.

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  72. Re:Wants by tbannist · · Score: 1

    I found that once I "cut the cord" that I didn't really care that much about most of the shows on TV. Occasionally I hear about a show and I think "that would be a cool show to watch", but then I usually forget about it. You see no cable means I don't see many commercials and commercials for TV shows are especially rare. So either the shows eventually come out on Netflix or DVD and then I may watch them, if I'm still interested. Sometimes they don't, probably because they were cancelled after fewer than 11 episodes. In any case, it's not exactly "settling", it's without the constant advertisements, there's nothing to make me care about TV shows that I don't even know exist.

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  73. Re:Cord-cutting by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    You don't think you can find something you want to watch on any of the major streaming services?

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  74. Re:Cord-cutting by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what I can get here in Canada, but I have netflix and most of the shows I watch aren't on there. If a show is on there, they don't have the current season, so I would need to stop watching for a year and then continue.

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  75. It's no fun once it's your job! by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

    If guacamole was getting paid for this it would instantly stop being fun! Follow your dreams and don't forget to tune in to the premiere of Gilligan's Island (2017) tonight on NBC!!!

  76. Re:Cord-cutting by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

    ...so I would need to stop watching for a year and then continue.

    Ultimately, what's wrong with that?

    Watching loads of YouTube content has really gotten me away from the "it's new, I gotta watch it now" mentality. These days, I'll watch something 3 years old, followed by something made last week, followed by something made a year and a half ago, all on the same channel. It doesn't make any difference to me. If it's a series of connected videos, someone has invariably created a playlist, and I watch that. The videos in the series often aren't even released in succession, but several series by the same guy released over the same span of time.

    If a TV show is good, it'll be good in a year, and you can buy a permanent copy of the full season for less than you'd pay for the monthly subscription for several shows. Then you can watch them at your leisure. You can hit up two or three episodes at a time if you've got a block of time to waste, or you can only watch one episode every few weeks, whatever. You're never going to miss an episode, because you control the programming.

    This depends highly on your viewing habits, of course. If you only watch 3 or 4 shows per "season" of television programming, it's totally worth it, but if you watch 15 or 20 then it definitely isn't worth it (e.g. you're watching a couple hours of TV shows every night of the week). The bulk pricing of the subscription model saves you money in that case.

    If one of your primary reasons for watching a show is to be able to talk about it with your social circle, then that's also a case where your subscription is the only way to go.

    But if you only follow a handful of shows at a time, and you watch them because you enjoy the content, then what's the difference between watching them now and watching them a year from now?

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