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LG Announces V30 Smartphone With 'FullVision' OLED Display, Dual Cameras (phonedog.com)

At a press conference in Berlin, LG announced their newest flagship smartphone, the LG V30. The V30 doesn't feature a removable battery or a secondary display like its predecessor, but it does feature faster performance and a significantly redesigned build construction that puts in more in line with Samsung and Apple's offerings. PhoneDog reports: A bigger device with beefier specs, the LG's V series took more design cues from the G series this year more than ever. As expected, LG got rid of the secondary display in favor of a single 6-inch LG P-OLED display (not Super AMOLED, although practically the same with rich black and vibrant colors). The V30 switches out its secondary display for slimmer bezels, which may prove to be a smart move considering how popular the concept is this year. Specs look pretty solid, although there were reports that the device would feature 6GB of RAM rather than 4GB. The bread and butter of the V30 are its sophisticated audio and its dual rear camera set-up. Speaking of the back of the device, another small advantage that LG may have over the competition is the center placement of its rear fingerprint sensor, which has been a bit of a pain point for Samsung this year with the S8 and the Note 8. The LG V30 is set to release on September 21 in South Korea, with releases in North America, Asia, Africa, and Europe following shortly after. LG also has yet to announce a price for the V30, although rumors peg it to be around 800,000 KRW in South Korea (which equates to about $699 in the U.S.). For those interested, GSMArena has a full spec sheet available for the LG V30. Some of the noteworthy specs include a 6-inch LG P-OLED display with an 18:9 aspect ratio and QHD (1440 x 2880) resolution, Snapdragon 835 processor with 4GB RAM, dual 16-megapixel/13-megapixel rear-facing camera sensors, headphone jack, 32-bit/192kHz audio, wireless charging and Android 7.1.2 Nougat.

45 comments

  1. Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by fafalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The removable battery, SD card, and 2nd display is why I bought the V20 over the Galaxy and iPhone. If I wanted one of those I would have bought them, and come next upgrade I'll just buy Galaxy if there's nothing unique setting it apart that's not trivial.

    1. Re: Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found him! The one guy wanting a Jim display is pissed! LG..... y'all better slap another display on this phone real quick before he takes his business elsewhere!

    2. Re: Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by Prod_Deity · · Score: 1

      Same here. Glad I'm not the only one. There has to be at least a baker's dozen of us left that like removable batteries and external storage in our phones.

    3. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same sentiment here. I currently have a LG G4 (one of the ones that has not yet suffered from the bootloop issue) and the reason I bought it over any other brand was they were the last vendor to offer removable batteries in cutting edge/near-cutting edge hardware.
      I am on Verizon and my 2 year contract ran out last month, so was hoping that all the rumors were wrong and I could get a V30 now. Looks like the rumors were right and LG flipped the finger to me and all the others who prefer features over "shiny" (what those idiot Web reviewers call "Premium design.")
      I am really not sure where to go from here. I think my best bet is to get a V20 for cheap and hope that by the time it wears out, some off-brand name company will start offering features I care more about than a shiny, glass case!
      If that doesn't happen then I guess I will consider phones to be disposable and just buy a cheap one and when it needs a security update, toss it and get another one.

    4. Re: Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      At least he didn't demand a keyboard

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    5. Re: Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Really?

    6. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I was okay with no notification LED, because 2nd screen.

      This is a go at Samsung's s8 from the looks. But, No 2nd screen? . No notification LED? No IR (I use the hell out of mine, I might be an outlier) ...honestly, slim bezels don't bother me. I've got ham hands and my fingertips click on shit when I hold my phone 1 handed. This is just more unwanted clicks, and easier for my phones screen to contact the ground when/if it falls and lands on it's side, regardless of a case. Glass' impact resistance sucks if it touches ground, gorilla glass or not.

      I honestly like my v20. The dac, the dual cameras (wide angle is convenient for my employer), the HD recording, manual cam controls.. I was able to root it via dirtycow exploit before that got patched. Some devs at XDA are adding extra functionality to second screen, and I dig it. I will not be buying the v30. v20 was actually my first, and will be my last LG phone.

        My next will be an htc just because of their friendliness towards the rooting crowd. Having a top spec phone is no longer a priority. Frankly, a Linux powered pocket computer with gsm for internet connectivity (unless I'm calling 911, or the odd call where I cannot do it via text, I use maybe 50 minutes a month) and the ability to SMS is all I want/need.

    7. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      V20 has everything - I bought one, too. I'm not loyal to any one company and weigh these sorts of features out before purchasing. So remove features, I move on.

    8. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought my V20 for the removable battery and the IR blaster, but fell in love with the second display afterwards! I thought the second display sounded pretty stupid, but whatever, the rest of the phone was like my old Note 3 but updated! I need the replaceable battery because I live off battery. 3 big deep cycles and a generator are what I rely on when I'm short of power. I love that my V20 can go 4-5 days with an extended battery before having to even touch the deep cycles or generator in a stealthy situation.

    9. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by fafalone · · Score: 1

      The V20 makes the point that features and shiny aren't mutally exclusive. IMO it's an absolutely beautiful looking phone too, and much thinner than previous generations and on par with the Galaxy/iPhone. The curved edges of the Galaxy look much nicer, but besides that the V20 looks cooler.
      The thing is, they see the popularity of phones like the Galaxy and iPhone, and conclude that well, obviously that's what consumers want. So they try to make their phones more like the more successful competition. But that line of thinking leads to failure (see also: Firefox)... because while it's true that consumers do care about the Galaxy line, you're not going to be able to take significant market share away from a product out in the lead like that, because they're already entrenched-- so the consumers that care about its features are *already* going to choose the Galaxy, they won't suddenly switch to LG because 'hey, it's slightly more like the Galaxy now!'. It has to be different and better to change the market share equation. Better does indeed include design, there's no getting around that, but the V20 proved that a removable battery making the phone thicker is a lie; it was half a millimeter thicker than the Galaxy S6 Edge and only 0.3mm thicker than the iPhone 7+, differences so small you wouldn't notice.
      You should incorporate its best features, but you have to find something compelling to pull in new users-- and you also want to keep your existing userbase that likes the current features, because they're the ones that will talk up your product when someone asks them what phone they should pick.
      So what should the course of action have been? They could have easily kept the removable battery and second screen, while adding those beautiful curved edges at the side and still reducing the top and bottom bezels (and someone below mentioned the notification LED, man I sure miss the rainbow LED I could program with so detail with ColorFlow, on my previous phone- the LG G2, they could have added one of those in).

      So with the V30 taken out of the running, are there even any flagship level phones left that have a removable battery? Probably would have to import one. Since I just upgraded to the V20 it will be a while, maybe they'll reverse course again by the time an upgrade is needed and the V40 or V50 is out. If LG had any real sense they'd immediately hire me after reading this post. I could tell them all about how they botched QPair too, which sounded so cool.

    10. Re: Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do have a microsd slot for the V30, so you can add that extra storage.

      Am currently using the LG G4 and it's about 2 years old now.

      I got a spare battery / charger for the G4 (was "free" when I got the phone) and I think I used the spare battery maybe 5 times over the pass 2 years. Although one of my previous requirements was a removable battery, considering my usage with the G4 and the (hardly used) spare battery, am not too sure if I will still require a spare battery as a necessity.

      I do have a microsd card (64GB) on my G4, and I suspect if there is a device without a microsd, that will be a deal breaker for me.

      If your use is such that you need functionality not provided by a device, I do understand that certain lack of features will make the device a deal breaker for you.

    11. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      That's the thing, you don't have to copy.

      The iPhone SE technically should be a flop. It has a tiny screen, and everyone knows you must have a huge screen.... right? I mean if you can't hold it, the better.

      But no, Apple was caught off guard because everyone was chanting the "big screen big screen big screen" mantra that they overlooked the need for a smaller screen phone, but with nice high end guts to take great photos and be usable single-handedly.

      The market does exist but no one wants to go for it because they see the big screen gigantic phones selling millions and want in on that action rather than try to innovate and see if you can design a high end phone with features those popular phones may be missing. To find your own niche. I don't care about removable batteries (I have an iPhone 4s that still gets me through the day, and the last phone I had with removable batteries was a PITA to manage the spare batteries because you had to remember to change the batteries while they were charging, or you ended up with 3 dead spare batteries), but yes, some people do. Lots of people don't care for huge screens, but want high end cameras and processors and memory for the tasks they do.

    12. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by backbyter · · Score: 1

      The removable battery was the only reason I was looking at LG. I'll be buying two phones to replace the Samsung Notes that I have.

    13. Re: Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by fubarrr · · Score: 1

      >POLED

      This stands for passive matrix OLED, much simpler and cheaper. I had one on my philips phone back in 2004.

    14. Re: Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by InfiniteBlaze · · Score: 1

      There are dozens of us!! But seriously...I love my secondary display because it acts like a quick launch bar - and has access to the builtin flashlight app which has been conspicuously absent from Samsung devices. That's not the dealbreaker, though. Removable batteries are mandatory, as well as upgradable storage. Looks like a lot of us are going to be suffering with ancient phones...

    15. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by hemna · · Score: 0

      Absolutely agree with this. I bought the V10 and then the V20 over a Samsung because it had the 2nd screen and a removable battery and the microsd. Now without the 2nd screen and removable battery, it's exactly like every other phone, plus a bump in the display and or cameras. The 2nd screen is a great feature on the V20 and love it. The main screen is off and I can see my notifications, battery level, time, etc. I also use it often for turning on the flashlight at night, when turning on the main screen would give me night blindness, while I'm fumbling around in the dark.

      The V30 is just like every other phone now. No reason to buy it.

    16. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Add me to the list - LG was the last to offer user-replaceable batteries. If I have to dick around with iOpeners and shit, I may as well get a Samsung Galaxy Note.
      However, I might look into FairPhone Those have user-replaceable everything. FP 2 is not that exciting technically speaking, but the fact I can replace practically every component, is becoming very attractive.

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    17. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by supertall · · Score: 1

      Same here. Almost got a used V20 to replace my aging 6P but waited for this. With no removable battery, there is no point.

    18. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I was okay with no notification LED, because 2nd screen.

      This is a go at Samsung's s8 from the looks. But, No 2nd screen? . No notification LED?

      It has an interactive always-on display (with color even). That's probably why they got rid of the 2nd screen.

    19. Re:Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by eclectro · · Score: 1

      The removable battery,

      The question needs to be asked as to why exactly manufacturers are doing away with the removable battery. While all the "quick charge" -like features are quite attractive, the fact is the battery will still have a hard time keeping up with heavy users without overheating.

      The only answer I have is that companies really want you to upgrade your phone sooner and throw the old one away rather than repairing and keeping what you have. Which is easy to do when the first thing to go is the battery and you can replace it yourself.

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      Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
    20. Re: Go ahead, copy Samsung and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P-OLED stands for polymer light-emitting diode. You are confusing this with PMOLED which stands for passive matrix organic light-emitting diode.

  2. 32 bit audio??? by Circlotron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At the present time at least, anything more than about 20 bits is lost in the noise so what's all this 32 bits of analog resolution of audio stuff? Just big numbers for advertising if you ask me.

    1. Re:32 bit audio??? by Frank+Dreben · · Score: 1

      Anything more than 16 bit / 44.1 kHz is just taking up extra space, if you use it for just playback. The frequency response and dynamic range are at or above the limits of the human ear. That's why those numbers were chosen for CDs. More bits and higher sample rates are good for mixing and production, but it's meaningless for the audio listener. That being said, the audio portion of the V20 is very good and sounds as good as any portable device out there. I imagine the V30 is the same.

    2. Re:32 bit audio??? by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      The frequency response and dynamic range are at or above the limits of the human ear. That's why those numbers were chosen for CDs.

      False. Firstly the dynamic range of the human is is 120dB though you'd probably go deaf attempting to exploit that range. That is the reason digital master tapes use 20bit for recording, and SACD / DVD-A both have higher dynamic range than that. Plus electronics these days can actually get quiet enough to resolve these kind of minute outputs. 16bit was chosen for CDs due to the technological limits at the time. Heck Philips wanted to use 14bits but Sony at the time still was a quality audio company and wanted to push the boundaries.

      44.1kHz was chosen due to the Nyquist theorem and due to how it fits in with broadcast video frequencies (no need to create special equipment to record if you can use the same for everything). The problem is that while nyquist theorem says you can perfectly represent the limits of human hearing with 44.1kHz, nyquist also showed that you end up with imaging effects starting at 44.1kHz which interfere with the lower frequencies and thus need to be filtered out to not damage the audio signal. The attempts at filtering this out was one of the reasons some early CDs players sounded quite horrible making the vinyl crowd wonder WTF was wrong with the world that this technology is getting so hyped. It wasn't until upsamping and delta-sigma modulation were introduced and we started coverting 44.1kHz to 88.2kHz or soon after MUCH higher (352.8kHz is standard for even cheap consumer junk now) for the purposes of the analogue conversion that this problem was really solved. And not liking to mess with the up-sampling of the signal is why SACD / DVD-A both have higher sampling rates.

      Nowadays with music compressed to buggery, and with out understanding and design of signal processing equipment anything more than 44.1/16 actually is just taking up extra space, but the choice for CD was due to the limitations of the time and people craved more in the early days precisely because of how bad it sounded.

  3. Displays prone to unintentional "clicks" by ffkom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how some can consider it a feature to have a touch-display that reaches from edge-to-edge, with no more non-touch-sensitive space to handle the device without causing unintentional clicks/action.

    1. Re:Displays prone to unintentional "clicks" by ELCouz · · Score: 1

      Like touchpads they can detect the difference a touch and a palm... touch system are smarter than you think nowadays. False positive do happen but less than you might think.

    2. Re:Displays prone to unintentional "clicks" by ffkom · · Score: 1

      But my palm would be only on one side of the display. On the other side, it would be fingers that touch the surface. And even "only one opposing finger holding the device" is not quite an unusual scenario for me.

  4. UK? by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Let me be the first to say "Fuck you LG" as you are presumably going to deny UK users access to this as you did with the V10 and V20.

    1. Re:UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hexus is reporting that Carphone Warehouse will be the UK exclusive distributor. So it'll be available, but possibly not where you'd like it to be.

  5. Gimme my EBT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah more EBT cards a/k/a slavery reparations cards for all the socially justice responsible disadvantaged minority's you stupid fucking DEMOCRATS. Do productive humans a favor: find a mass grave, jump in.

    1. Re: Gimme my EBT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?

  6. Another removable battery phone bites the dust by xQx · · Score: 2

    Another V20 user here who specifically chose the phone so I could get through a long day without a charger using good old fashioned "battery swap".

    Batteries in heavily-used phones wear out in less than 12 months.
    Being able to buy a new one and swap it in without damaging the phone for $20 is a major selling point.

    Its getting harder and harder to find a good phone with a removable battery as the years go on.

    I really didn't expect Samsung to ditch it so comprehensively after their "wall huggers" advertising campaign.

    That was gold.

    On a side note: if the V30 uses nearly as much power as the V20 (and I expect it would), 3,330mAH is a _horribly_ small non-removable battery. You'll be looking for a charger before 3pm when the phone's still new.

  7. yeah nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After the way they handled my bootlooping nexus 5x warranty claim... probably going to give this one a miss.
    at least they know how to build a proper fridge

  8. 18:9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear LG,
    18:9 is also known as 2:1.
    Signed,
    your 2nd grade teacher.

    1. Re: 18:9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't sound commercial enough. Bigger nimbers better. Advice: 1800:900
      --marketing department

  9. Take it away by fnj · · Score: 1

    No goddam user-replaceable battery = NO SALE! Idiots.

  10. Have they announced a phone that won't self-brick? by piojo · · Score: 1

    My first LG phone had a motherboard problem that limited it to less than the speeds of 2G half the time. I thought it was just a bad network connection, until a replacement part made it ten times faster. Since that was a Nexus, I thought I'd give LG another chance. My next LG phone died after six months due to a processor defect which is common to every handset of that model. LG wouldn't repair their garbage phone since I had no warranty. (They clearly *could* have repaired it, but wanted me to pay the price of a new phone to correct their mistake.)

    I wonder what the predictive power of LG's record of zero for two is. What's the base rate of smartphones (from all manufacturers) having serious defect that makes them unfit for general use as a smartphone?

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    A cat can't teach a dog to bark.
  11. Obsolete in a year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great! Another $700 Android device that will be obsolete in a year and will fall behind a full Android version after 18 months.

    It will then catch up to the latest Android a little after 24 months... and then yet another Android version will be out and you. will. never. get. it.

    Atte. Former V10 user.

  12. This isn't news by ChocoIncognito · · Score: 1

    How is this news? It's just another bar smartphone with specs lower than other flagship devices. What, is this LG's personal advertising space now? Less nonsense posts about average device announcements, plzthxbye

    1. Re:This isn't news by mrwireless · · Score: 1

      LG's phones have in the past been popular with the technology community, because they have been relatively root and rom friendly. This is partly because they formed the template for some nexus devices.
      Phones like the G2 (2013) and G3 are still being updated by the community. LG itself is also the company most willing to keep making security updates, according to a study I read last week.

  13. Come on, LG by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    Are you people retarded? Why would you glue the battery into the phone after Samsung's Note 7 debacle?

    You do realize one of the only reasons to buy an LG phone over a Samsung phone is the longevity promised by a device without a battery that's been glued in, right?

    No sale for you. :(

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    A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
  14. Laws by nightfire-unique · · Score: 0

    Can we please tax the living shit out of devices with planned obsolescence / glued in batteries? It's incredibly wasteful and the cost should reflect that fact.

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    A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
  15. Fuck you and your defective phones, LG by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

    Never ever ever buying another LG phone after the debacle with my V10.

    Bought it new, after 9 months it develops the dreaded "bootloop" problem, which is a manufacturing defect that takes a while to surface. Also affects the G3 and G4 phones.

    Send my phone in for repair, LG denies it due to "corrosion caused by liquid damage". Phone has never been near water, all stickers are white, logic board is pristine.

    So die in a fire, LG, I'm never going back. I should have learned after having a G2x a few years ago (just a garbage phone, but at least it "worked").

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    With the first link, the chain is forged.