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India Just Might Be Getting a Hyperloop (wired.com)
California may have produced the horrorshow traffic that prompted Elon Musk to pitch the hyperloop, but it's hardly the only place eager to ditch cars for levitating pods hurtling through tubes at speeds approaching the sound barrier. India wants in, too. From a report: Today, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies, one of the companies formed to realize Musk's vision of tube travel, announced it has signed a deal with the state of Andhra Pradesh, in southeast India. Working with the state's economic development board, HTT will spend six months studying possible routes for a hyperloop connecting the cities of Vijaywada and Amaravati -- a move that would transform a 27-mile, hour-long drive into a six-minute whoosh. And then, over an undisclosed period of time, the Los Angeles-based company says it will build the thing. The India deal is just the latest for HTT, which also plans to build networks of tubes in South Korea, Slovakia, and Abu Dhabi. But to make all -- or any -- of that happen, the company's 800 engineers (most of whom have day jobs and work on this in their spare time, in exchange for stock options) must first master the practical aspects of the hyperloop. That means building and maintaining a near-vacuum state across miles of tubes, propelling levitating pods through them, getting people or cargo into and out of those pods, and much more.
Test-drive where life is cheap?
And/or where you can sweep the peasants out of the way of progress.
Seems like this would be prone to terrorism. A small bomb, an explosive decompression, and several hundred inside-out corpses hurtling at supersonic speeds uncontrollably.
So, you can get from Chennai to Mumbai in 10 minutes, then get out and step in a pile of poop.
But exactly how do you manage to hang on to the roof of a hyperpod at 1,000 MPH?
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I'd rather have well maintained roads than some dream of a 6min "whoosh".
I've seen cases whereby highways were stopped because of some temple or other religious building in the way.
At the moment, carrying out a terrorist attack is somewhat difficult.
What if all you needed was a .50cal bullet, a short tube, a spring and an ice cube to use as a basic delay mechanism? Point it at the hyperloop somewhere in the wilderness, and there you go. Can someone actually confirm whether the result would be a huge loss of life?
Any alternatives? Well, you could always make it underground. Like, a tube, with capsules passing through, just under the ground.
The designers of this system don't take into account the time it takes to park your car, walk to the station, wait in line to get on the next pod, get off at the destination station, and use some other means of transportation to get to the location your want to be. If all that takes more than 54 minutes then you really aren't saving any time.
This is hilarious.
They can force the lower castes to ride it until they get the kinks worked out.
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Commutes in and through Indian cities are as I understand presently.. painful would I think be an accurate summary. That and a developing country will not have the miles of red tape and bureaucracy that has developed over the centuries in the US.
and they have people they are willing to test on... If it is like their rocket problems, it will be only a few deaths, and if the deaths are untouchables: who will care?
Any city or government that's serious about it can make it happen. It's about money and will power, not having some "boy wonder" design it for you.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
This is not going to happen. Center is not going to approve the project.
Andhra Pradesh (AP) state proposed Metro rail project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayawada_Metro_Rail),
but not happened (http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rs-6-800-cr-vijayawada-metro-hits-roadblock-centre-questions-financial-viability/story-A5YkBFLxtpEDOflpi49xrJ.html).
Also, AP state has revenue problems after bifurcation (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/revenue-deficit-infrastructure-challenges-for-new-andhra-pradesh-post-bifurcation/articleshow/50263393.cms)(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Revenue-deficit-infrastructure-challenges-for-new-Andhra-Pradesh/articleshow/50264033.cms).
This problem still exists. (http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra-pradesh/2017/aug/13/andhra-pradesh-revenue-deficit-shocker-after-shocker-from-centre-to-state-1642493--1.html).
In my opinion waste of money and time at this time.
india needs to do what it actually fucking needs, every place i've been in India was the most disgusting place i'd ever been.
Space program CHECK
Hyperlook CHECK
Not shitting in the streets anymore like filthy fucking dogs.... well that can wait
Will it have toilets or does one just shit out the window?
I'll believe it when I see it.
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I suppose this explains why the Ganges is full of really interesting bacteriophages.
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Evil, totalitarian retards messaging from mommy's basement are dime a dozen these days.
Rant at your local Antifa get-together, will you? Or did mommy not wash your black mask?
Underground metro systems are a tried and tested solution that have worked well since the 19th century. Using a vacuum tube and maglev instead of steel wheels on rails doesn't bring much to the table other than a high top speed, which for a metro is pretty useless anyway unless you don't plan on having intermediate stops. The ONLY thing the hyperloop brings is a windfall for construction companies and ditto for Musk if he holds the patents.
I haven't been to India for decades and there is a reason for that. The place horrifies me. Even the "nice" parts.
I am all in favor of any effort to make the country sane and habitable but I just don't see making something like the Hyperloop will help any but the top 1%
Go on youtube and look for videos to see what train rides in India are like for commuters. What trains they do have are reasonably serviceable but are way overtaxed. You have swarms of tens of thousands of people crammed onto platforms designed to max out at maybe a thousand all trying to cram themselves onto trains that are over capacity by at least 2x. And a mob waiting outside the station.
The stench of sweaty bodies must be epic. I'm happy to say I haven't experienced it myself.
The Hyperloop even if the most optimistic projection helps this how? By squirting a pod of 30 people (crammed with 100 no doubt) even 10-15 minutes? Don't make me laugh.
Instead they should upgrade and add to their existing rail infrastructure. The local population is obviously willing to use it. I would bet money that 99.9% of them would prefer a 30-minute clean ride on an available comfortable seat with air conditioning as opposed to a 6-minute woosh in an over capacity system that probably would not be available to them anyway at any reasonable cost.
Show me the numbers that say HyperLoop could solve the problem they really have there rather than the Gee-Whiz space technology fantasy some geek has and I will be in favor of it. I haven't seen those numbers and I doubt they exist.
Disclosure: I am an Elon Musk fanboi.
It seems like any article about India brings out the creeps.
If a Hyperloop ever gets built it will definitely be one of the most expensive forms of transportation available, at least if they're doing anything even remotely similar to Musk's original cocktail napkin. It seems like they might struggle on the uptake in a country with such a low median income. On the other hand, they don't have the Dubai problem where everybody already drives cars and everything is paved. There is a potential market in India, just as long as it connects some presidental suburb with the government buildings where they work so they can ignore the systemic transportation problems in the city.
I read the internet for the articles.
I hope the next hyperloop item will be about the USA. I'm sure everyone will be highly amused by my jokes about land whales, ammosexuals, and stupidity.
What they could use is a hyperloo!
First a place to put the poop,
Then maybe look at hyperloop.
How do they count if they don't do any work and aren't paid?
If this is a real company why don't they have an actual staff?
The Indian government is always present in the me-too pissing contests. However, when it comes to providing basic services to the more than 600 million Indian citizens without access to them, the Indian government is consistently uninterested to become a me-too.
A Ukrainian-Soviet writer Mykola Trublaini foresaw ("invented", in a certain sense) a hyperloop-ish concept in his novel The Deep Path ("Glibinniy shlyah" in an approximate transliteration). Trublaini's idea had an interesting twist, his vacuumed tunnel was a straight line from one point on the surface of the Earth to another. And given that the Earth's surface is a sphere (an imperfect one), if those points are far enough, then it's possible to take advantage of the Earth's gravitation to travel between those points in a pendulum-like fashion.
And, indeed, the best place to build such a path is a country that stretches for thousands of kilometers. Just like the USSR of Trublaini's time or the modern day Russia in the east-west dimension or India in the north-south dimension. Building such a tunnel would be, of course, an immense undertaking. But it is not impossible as long as the tunnel is not too close to the mantle :-) So, unfortunately, no Rio de Janeiro - Tokyo express or a US - Australia link.
P.S. In the Trublaini's novel the deep path was used to quickly transfer troops and materiel from the European part of the USSR to its Far East territories to the surprise of the Japan militarists who were about to invade the USSR. The novel was written just before the WWII broke out.
P.P.S. Trublaini was killed on a front line in 1941, he was a war correspondent at the time.
P.P.P.S. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be much information about Trublaini in English.
Power? India can't even keep the power on 24/7. I don't see how they'll be able to run a hyperloop.
Might cut down on the number of people riding atop the rail cars in India.
So as we call it in SoCal, light traffic. I don't really see the problem that would require the huge investment in hyperloop. I've been in much worse traffic and commute. Even the good Tokyo train system it's about that speed if not worse. Crossing into SF from East Bay on the BART takes about that long during commuting hours and that's not even close to 27 miles.
Elon is the king of vaporware, even worse than Duke Nukem Forever. I don't know if you've noticed but very few of his stuff makes it to market and what does is hugely under the stated promise and over the stated cost. Tesla still doesn't have the cost, range, charge speed nor buildout of universal charging stations. SpaceX won't make it to Mars anymore, the Falcon heavy isn't even out of its design stage, the hyperloop is still an electric cart that barely makes it to the end of a tunnel even under the best of circumstances and with days of setup.
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HTT [...] plans to build networks of tubes [...]
Kind of like the Internet...
Trains in India are hyper something; loop is not something I would want to do here:
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Elon Musk was motivated by California traffic to start the Boring Company, not to pitch hyperloop. But just keep making shit up, msmash.
Almost every gushing hyperloop article on /. will include a commenter who points to a set of Youtube critiques of the hyperloop by Thunderf00t. Watching these videos I find myself sympathetic to his position, but I recognize that I'm predisposed to suspect grand promises about what the future holds when there's no clear, demonstrable, and scalable example yet. (My father had a subscription to Popular Science when I was a kid. The main thing it taught me was an interest in science and a mistrust of vaporware. I still don't have a flying car.)
The responses I've seen to such on /. have been disappointing to say the least. On more than one occasion, I've seen Thunderf00t's critique dismissed with a wave of the hand and a reference to his credentials as a biochemist rather than, say, an engineer. That is not an argument. At best, it's an appeal to authority. The worst I've seen so far has been a lazy claim that to the effect of 'don't worry, smart people have already worked all this stuff out.' This kind of thing is tiresome on Youtube; it should be well-nigh unforgiveable on /.
So I'm interested in hearing from critics of Thunderf00t's critique. Can you point me to an article or video that will serve as a response to his position? And to proponents I would ask whether there are responses to Thunderf00t's critics. Many thanks in advance.
Yet another gullible government fooled by the monorail scam.
Can a 3rd world country afford Hyperloop?
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