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An Intelligent Speed Bump Uses Non-Newtonian Liquid (businessinsider.com)

turkeydance quotes Business Insider: A Spanish company has designed a speed bump that won't hinder slow drivers but will still stop motorists driving too fast. The speed bump is filled with a non-Newtonian liquid which changes viscosity when pressure is applied at high velocity. They've been installed in Villanueva de Tapia, Spain and there has also been interest from Israel and Germany.
There's a video on the site showing the speed bump in action.

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  1. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Physics is bullshit anyways. God changes the viscosity.

  2. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    A non-Newtonian fluid is one that doesn't follow Newton's Law of Viscosity. So that part is actually correct. However, it is most certainly not intelligent.

  3. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am surprised that they didn't call it AI and have an whole article about how it would replace the job of cops.

  4. That's clever by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    Kudos to the guys who came up with this. Like all great ideas, once explained everybody can grasp it.

    1. Re: That's clever by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People have known about the existence of the liquid as far back as the Egyptians. Fill a bag with water and flour or tapioca and it behaves the same way.

      The problem with these designs which have been coming and going for decades and every other speed bump or road project with similar properties is the durability.

      Roads are a pure hell hole of abrasion, it's why you don a hot as hell leather suit on a motorbike even in the middle of summer. Asphalt and concrete, which is a very durable, non-stretchy substance needs to be replaced every few years. Stretchy substances or even things that move ever so slightly like tiles, hell even bridge joints (or energy absorbing materials or solar freaking roadways) have the byproduct of encapsulating anything that fits in the folds/gaps which subsequently destroys it very quickly.

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  5. Won't get wide acceptance by russotto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's going to cost too much and not be durable enough. Regular speed bumps are extremely cheap and made of asphalt; slightly fancier ones are cheap and made of rubber and metal.

    Also, if it doesn't hinder slow drivers, the people installing them won't be satisfied. Speed bumps are a tool installed by hateful people to make driving suck more; reducing the suck defeats the purpose.

    1. Re:Won't get wide acceptance by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It would be useful for temporary use at events and similar, but won't work in winter conditions as it would suffer from snow plows and change viscosity at low temperatures.

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    2. Re:Won't get wide acceptance by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Speed bumps are often used in places where idiot children run out into traffic. The speed bumps will slow some drivers and save some lives, and break some suspension components. They're a dandy way to discourage people from buying cars with two inches of ground clearance.

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    3. Re:Won't get wide acceptance by nasch · · Score: 1

      Maybe it will be like Bott's dots and used in places that don't get snow.

  6. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by haruchai · · Score: 1

    I am surprised that they didn't call it AI and have an whole article about how it would replace the job of cops.

    Speed bumps have been called "sleeping policemen" or "lying-down policemen" in various parts of the world for decades.

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  7. Good news! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    It's patented by some spanish company, so you won't be seeing installations in the US any time soon. ;)

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    1. Re:Good news! by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      I should start the process of being the "sole distributor" of this thing in North America.

      With over 300K intersections in the US alone, this strategy should guarantee millions of dollars in income, with little to no effort.

  8. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Jimbookis · · Score: 1

    I agree. There is nothing intelligent about a bag filled with cornflour and water. Anyway, it's a great innovation on the older (2012) idea of using the same sort of thing to patch potholes temporarily. See this: http://www.popsci.com.au/tech/...

  9. Yes but what use is a non-Newtonian speed bump? by ShamblerBishop · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, if you have to be travelling at relativistic speeds, what is the point in that?

    1. Re:Yes but what use is a non-Newtonian speed bump? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      "Non-Newtonian" in this context doesn't mean what you think it does. Or maybe you're just making a joke that's not that funny.

    2. Re:Yes but what use is a non-Newtonian speed bump? by tsa · · Score: 1

      That'd be cool.
      "Kids, your dad has been driving too fast again. Police estimate he went all the way to next week."

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    3. Re:Yes but what use is a non-Newtonian speed bump? by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Or maybe you're just making a joke that's not that funny.

      Or maybe you're just a humorless asshole.

  10. Re:stupid idea. road boner. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    Add to it studded winter tires.

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  11. Well designed speed bumps are better by fabioalcor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These liquid-state speed bumps will never survive real world conditions. Solid-state ones, since well designed, work just as well. They need to be sufficiently long (> 1.5 m) and have a sinusoidal shape.
    But looks like they're hard as hell to build and made of solid gold, because they're f*king hard to find.

    1. Re:Well designed speed bumps are better by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      They need to be sufficiently long (> 1.5 m)

      Materials cost money. The bigger the bump, the more it costs.

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    2. Re:Well designed speed bumps are better by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The best "designed" speed bump is a simple pothole. They're very easy to find. The other solution is to just not pave the road. It will be like a washboard after a little rain.

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    3. Re:Well designed speed bumps are better by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The long ones are commonly called humps instead of bumps.

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  12. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's "intelligent" in the same way there are "smart" phones. In other pedantic news - the sun doesn't set, the horizon rises.

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  13. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, many generations of language reformers have tried and failed to fix the sloppy way humans naturally use language .

    Perhaps the most famous attempt was in 1668 by Royal Society Fellow John Wilkins, who created a language intended as a replacement Latin as the universal language of scientific (then called "philosophical") communication. The first order of business was to get rid of all that figurative cruft and replace it with precisely defined concept-signifiers. The attempt, while attracting great interest, was a dismal failure. Exactly one paper was ever written in Wilkins' "philosophical language", an essay by Robert Hooke (of Hooke's Law) titled "The Universal Character of Pocket Watches".

    The reason these attempts never go anywhere is human beings have a powerful, context-aware language processing computer inside their skull that effortlessly interprets fuzzy, associative and figurative language with near-perfect accuracy. Not absolutely perfect, mind you, but good enough that improving on it results in a language that so painfully awkward that it is impossible to use with anything like the perfection the creators envision.

    This doesn't stop every new generation of pedants from trying, as most attempt are such irredeemable failures nobody has ever heard of them. The only one to have any kind lasting success was a theologian named Peter Mark Roget. His philosophical language was as useless as any of them, but the detailed concept index he compiled for it turned out to be quite handy for writers looking for just the right word.

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  14. bulletproof boob implants? by voss · · Score: 4, Funny

    Soft to the touch but can stop a bullet?

    1. Re:bulletproof boob implants? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Would make for an interesting boobjob too. "faster Faster FASTER! OWW no SLOWER Slower slower!"

  15. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't care about it being called "intelligent" except that not only is it technically incorrect but it's also a buzzword that gets thrown around far too frequently.

  16. It may not posses conventional intelligence... by denzacar · · Score: 5, Funny

    But it might be street smart.

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  17. Re: Bobcat rental by VernonNemitz · · Score: 1

    The generic idea (different "liquid" specified) was posted on the internet back in 2001. Here.

  18. Re: Bobcat rental by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    if people start destroying them or stealing them you can bet the regular old hard concrete speed bumps will be installed

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  19. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's the point: people use technically incorrect buzzwords all the time until the buzz is used up and then it's just another alternative meaning for the word.

    Some time look up a list of dead metaphors, like "deadline". A "dead line" was originally a boundary past which a prisoner would be shot. "Deadline" as applied to projects was a humorous metaphor, but as with "software", it's no longer a joke; it's just a word.

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  20. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    doesn't violate Newtonian physics

    That is not what "non-Newtonian" means. The google is your friend.

  21. Halfbakery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This idea was on halfbakery back in 2001,

    http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Custard-Filled_20Speed_20Bumps

  22. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Smartphones can do math and make decisions, so not really similar at all actually.

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  23. Re:Non-Newtonian? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Newton did a lot of stuff, and got his name attached to a lot of things.

    One of them is Newtonian mechanics. Another is the term "Newtonian fluid."

    These are two separate concepts.

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  24. Re: Bobcat rental by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    You'd be surprised what kind of impractical ideas people will try to get away with when looking for funding.

    The bump's outer layer must be flexible. This automatically makes it more susceptible to cutting.

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  25. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Newton got his name attached to more than one concept. Newtonian mechanics and Newtonian fluids are two separate concepts.

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  26. Re: Bobcat rental by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Very funny... Maybe tire spikes would be the better option. :-)

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  27. I Like Speed Dips by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

    As the saying goes - speed bumps are no problem if you take them fast. Like "washboard" roads this is really true, a car's dynamic suspension can even out the double bump if you moving fast enough.

    But speed dips are another story entirely. Mostly these aren't really put in for speed control, usually it is for surface drainage, but they work really well to make people slow down. A memorable occasion I recall in one such town was a caddy that went into the dip excessively fast, and the front of the car pitched forward and hit the macadam with a shower of sparks, then rocked backed and the rear did the same thing, then the car rocked forward and hit the pavement again, with another spark shower. I doubt the driver did this again.

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    1. Re:I Like Speed Dips by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have been told that speed bumps being ineffective at higher speeds is actually a feature- a normal person who wants to go medium slow is now forced to go slow slow, but an emergency vehicle that has a siren blaring can go fast safely.

      Of course, this also lets a normal driver just go fast as well, but trade offs are always made I guess?

    2. Re:I Like Speed Dips by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      That makes sense. Thanks.

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    3. Re:I Like Speed Dips by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      A man here got compensation for injury, not sure about vehicle damage, and speed bumps removed when he got tossed within his van enough to hit his head.

      A dip that damages vehicles more than a pothole would be unlikely to last legal challenge here (not even get heard in court) and might be costly.

  28. Re: Yes but what use is a non-Newtonian speed bump by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

    Whooosh, I think.

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  29. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Funny

    However, it is most certainly not intelligent.

    That's okay, neither a lot of drivers

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  30. Re:That would hurt profits for muffler shops... by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

    You do understand that you are supposed to slow down for speed bumps? Muffler damage I can buy, but bumper or rim damage kinda tells me you aren't using the speed bump properly. In fact they were probably put there just for you.

  31. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    the sun doesn't set, the horizon rises.

    No, the earth rotates. How's that for pedantic?

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  32. So, it's filled with by bonedonut · · Score: 1

    Cornstarch and water?

  33. Taxi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Cab drivers NEVER slow down for speed bumps. The cab shocks are destroyed within the first few weeks on a new cab. The cab still rides great, even better than before. When you go full speed over a speed bump with a broken in cab, you can't even feel the bump. Time is money to a cab driver. I know, I drove one in Las Vegas.

  34. Cameras by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

    So those security cameras will start getting a work out. I'm sure the mischief charges, destruction of property and vandalism will make you much more employable.

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    1. Re:Cameras by tsa · · Score: 1

      I don't think that argument will convince those people not to do it.

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  35. Naming this "reversible computing" is confusing by jsm300 · · Score: 1

    So I read the article and have a basic understanding of the technology. I can see how "reversible" applies at the low level, but it is a poor choice for a description of this process. Adiabatic computing might be better, but people who have never taken thermodynamics probably don't understand that word. I'd suggest something like "No Waste Computing" or "No Heat Computing" might be a better description (neither is strictly true, but the potential waste heat is extremely low, i.e. just saying "low heat" doesn't seem adequate). My descriptions are not necessarily a better description in terms on understanding what is going on, but a description of what the benefit of the process is, which I think is more appropriate in this case.

    1. Re:Naming this "reversible computing" is confusing by jsm300 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I must have messed up somehow and posted this in the wrong topic.

  36. Re: Bobcat rental by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily. The whole thing could sit on a cushion made of the magic shit(TM) and retract.

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  37. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by PPH · · Score: 1

    not the un-sentient amorphous goo that makes it work

    Are you referring to the jelly in the donuts that cops eat? Because I don't think that makes them work any better.

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  38. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Little known fact about Hooke: Isaac Newton hated him. Thought he was a right fucking twat.

    The only reason the poor sod got the one about springs named after him was because old apple-bonce got a fit of the bloody flux and was on the privy a month.

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  39. Re:That would hurt profits for muffler shops... by Xicor · · Score: 1

    i had an acura integra a couple years ago (it was one of the really old models). it actually got stuck on one of the bigger speed bumps and i had to push the car to get it off. speed bumps are bullshit.

  40. Re: Yes but what use is a non-Newtonian speed bump by ShamblerBishop · · Score: 1

    That joke flew over him at light-speed I think.

  41. Re: Bobcat rental by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Do you mean a solid shell resting on top of the bag of gloop?

    That would just spread the force across the whole bag and negate the desired effect.

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  42. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by msauve · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I can see how you'd consider your calculator smart. You must think your goldfish is a genius.

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  43. Re: Bobcat rental by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    In my neighborhood even those don't survive too long.

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  44. Re: Bobcat rental by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    if people start destroying them or stealing them you can bet the regular old hard concrete speed bumps will be installed

    Finally, somone that has some understanding. You'll note that the assholes that drive like tools over the present ones can drive just as fast as they always do. I reccomend over 100 mph, you know, because speeding makes the wimminfolk really horny.

    But if these fools want to vandalize them, something more onerous might show up in their place.

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  45. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    No. God is FANTASY. Fiction at least has some basis in reality.

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  46. Are they adjustable? by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    How adjustable is the fluid/goo inside these?

    The most annoying this I find about speed bumps is that you can't drive over them comfortably at the ADVERTISED SPEED LIMIT. These things are supposed to be used to discourage speeding, which means driving ABOVE the advertised limit, but that's never that case.

    So can these be adjusted so that driving over them at 50km/h in a 50km/h zone will be a smooth ride, but when driving at 60km/h it'll harden?

  47. A better idea. by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
    There was a small village in England near where I lived in Newmarket that had the right idea. They had a sign on each of the roads leading into the village. "Warning Traffic Calming Ahead" and in the inbound lane into the village there was a 10" concrete filled steel pipe set in the middle of the road.

    Because fuck you if you didn't slow down before going through their town.

    1. Re:A better idea. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The right idea is to run the road around the town, so that you don't have to go through it at all. Of course, this requires carving up a bunch of other people's property, which may explain all those rinky-dink roads I see on television in Britain. They must run along property lines both ancient and twisted.

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    2. Re:A better idea. by nasch · · Score: 1

      In the middle of the road, or the middle of the lane? If the former, so what? If the latter, what are drivers expected to do?

    3. Re:A better idea. by Charcharodon · · Score: 1

      It was the middle of the lane inbound to the village. You had to slow down and then go around, or just plow into it at speed and die. They didn't really care which.

    4. Re:A better idea. by nasch · · Score: 1

      Oh, OK, I don't envision roads in the UK having much room to go around. They seem just wide enough for one car per lane.

  48. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Fredric Brown has answered that controversy, http://www.roma1.infn.it/~anzel/answer.html

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  49. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Philosophers has been abusing words like "purpose" and "cause" for more than 2 millennia.

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  50. Re:That would hurt profits for muffler shops... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    A four inch high speed bump will damage s bumper with three inch road clearance regardless of speed.

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  51. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by slashrio · · Score: 1

    If you state it, you'll have to prove it. :)

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  52. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by slashrio · · Score: 1

    I think an intelligent speed bump would look for speeding cars by means of some sensor (radar or so) and then raise some destructive concrete post right in front of the driver seat. It also may be anything a bit less destructive like nails or suchlike.
    A really intelligent one would differentiate between authorized and non-authorized over-speeders.

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  53. From 2010?? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Found the same video on youtube from 2010.... had no idea /. was going this far back for "current news"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fng6gCjl58

  54. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by tsa · · Score: 1

    Newton was a right fucking twat himself. I think he might have hated everybody.

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  55. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the sun doesn't set, the horizon rises.

    No, the earth rotates. How's that for pedantic?

    Technically it doesn't just rotate, it rotates and translates. And in the meantime the whole system (sun and earth) is moving relative to the galactic frame, which is its self moving. So if you want to predict the exact time the horizon will come up to to block out the sun, you need to do a bit more than just calculate the time one rotation takes since the earth will have moved noticeably meaning that the suns relative position will be just a bit (slightly less than 1/356 of a rotation) moved from the previous day.

    How's that for pedantic?

    Not even close. A real pedant would tell us exactly how much the sun would move on average and probably take into account the slowing effect of the moon all in order to just tell us that the real dominant effect is that the person watching the sunset is going down relative to the horizon.

  56. Re: Bobcat rental by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    The same can be said of your body, and would probably be a greater improvement.

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  57. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    The theory of intelligent flowing?

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  58. Re: Bobcat rental by jbengt · · Score: 1

    "Tough" in the context of material properties means neither of those things. Toughness is about the ability to absorb energy, not the ability to withstand pressure.

  59. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by jbengt · · Score: 1

    You are the one bullshitting. Non-Newtonian is a well known term that means viscosity varies as shear rate changes.

  60. Re: The speed bump does not possess intelligence by jbengt · · Score: 1

    Fantasy and fiction both have a basis in reality.

  61. All They Need Now is a Non-Euclidean Speed Bump by tmjva · · Score: 1

    Instead of a bump, it would open a portal and send the speeder to Unknown Kadath.

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  62. Re: Bobcat rental by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    You sure do seem like an angry little troll. Or maybe you're the inventor and you're angry that someone thought of something that you forgot to think about. hmmmm

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  63. Re: Bobcat rental by Megol · · Score: 1

    Yes and that's why there are no road signs nor street lights anywhere.

  64. Speed bumps are misunderstood by FrankOVD · · Score: 1

    The video says speed bumps hinders even slow drivers, but it's only partially true. Speed bumps are made to make you slow down and work with your car's suspension, but many people stop just before going over it. If you're going too fast, your suspension will reach it's limit and it'll be a rough ride, same if you don't go fast enough and your suspension doesn't give at all. If you're going at the right speed, the suspension makes it almost smooth. Speed bumps neat pedestrian crossings could be replaces by those though.

  65. Re: Bobcat rental by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    You'll note that the assholes that drive like tools over the present ones can drive just as fast as they always do.

    Prediction: the viscosity of the fluid will be such that you are required to drive below 15 MPH to ooze through it without a bump, in order to enforce a 25 MPH speed limit.

  66. Re:The speed bump does not possess intelligence by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Atoms don't follow the law's of Physics, as the term is a misnomer. Physics and math attempt to understand the behavior of atoms. It is much like trying to understand a woman with logic. The moment we think we have it figured it out is the moment we become complete fools :-)

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