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Government Officials Begin Investigating Equifax Breach (thehill.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Hill: The massive breach of credit rating firm Equifax is attracting scrutiny from government officials across the country. Lawmakers from both parties have expressed concern over the hack, which could have left vulnerable sensitive personal information for as many as 143 million people. The New York, Pennsylvania and Illinois attorneys general have announced formal investigations into the hack...

The Senate Commerce Committee announced on Thursday that it sent a letter to Equifax seeking answers about the extent of the breach and what Equifax is doing to mitigate its impact. In the House, Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas) said that his committee would hold a hearing on the hacks at a to-be-determined date. Hensarling noted in a statement that such breaches are becoming "too common" and that consumers "deserve answers." House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Greg Walden (R-Ore.) said that his committee would hold a separate hearing on the matter as well.

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  1. And I hope but don't hold my breath by parkinglot777 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that they will find something and some one (or group) who held accountable of the breach. Though, often times, this kind of investigation is just a political stunt to show constituents that they have done something. Nothing will be found, done, or changed according to the history...

    1. Re:And I hope but don't hold my breath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Someone needs to get their hands on the dataset and start applying for credit cards for each and every member of congress. Repeatedly. It sure couldn't hurt things.

    2. Re:And I hope but don't hold my breath by hawkinspeter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What about all the insider trading? The Execs dumped loads of their stock before worrying about contacting anyone that might be affected by this.

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    3. Re:And I hope but don't hold my breath by Luthair · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Under the law Equifax is the "victim", not us. That is unlikely to change with the current US administration.

    4. Re:And I hope but don't hold my breath by MitchDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don;t forget most of these government officials have had THEIR data exposed by the breach, otherwise they wouldn't give two sharts about the rest of us....

    5. Re:And I hope but don't hold my breath by Known+Nutter · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can you just say "shits"?

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    6. Re:And I hope but don't hold my breath by torkus · · Score: 2

      If this is true and even somewhat provable, those execs have a good chance of winding up in jail.

      Granted insider trading happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME but it's generally subtle or can be explained by other means. Something like a dumping shares days before announcing a company-wide disaster that you already knew about...is not something so easily overlooked. And TBH it's a perfect stick to bash them with while not actually taking or enforcing any corporate responsibility for the actual breach.

      Nothing to see here, move along. Just your token sacrifice for the masses. No real change coming.

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  2. Isn't 143M basically all adults in America? by misnohmer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So their breach just put the entire population at significantly increased risk of identify theft. There definitely should be consequences and the government is the only recourse the consumers have since they are not direct customers of Equifax, nor will anyone ever be able to prove their identify theft was directly due to Equifax's breach, so they cannot individually sue Equifax.

    Maybe the fines should be whatever it costs to re-issue new social security (or social insurance in Canada) numbers to everyone, including costs of managing the transition. Yea, I know this may sink Equifax as a company, so be it - lesson for the other guys to secure the data or maybe to not collect it in the first place. Maybe there is such a thing as too dangerous to collect and keep in one company. Kind of like banks and companies that are too big to fail.

    1. Re:Isn't 143M basically all adults in America? by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't know that it has. Whoever stole the data isn't going to just dump it online they are going to sell it. Eventually it will all leak but not before much of it is quite stale.

      Most people STILL don't realize this but anyone who works for a company with a subscription to any of the private investigative services could pretty much get all this information inside of 30 seconds. Not everyone is in the pay-for-use-databases but most are. I don't know if I have ever had a search come back empty.

      The reality is this information was already out there on almost everyone one, this will be just one more source. Maybe a price a little more attractive to the ner'er do wells but I predict a minor blip in increased id theft at most.

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    2. Re:Isn't 143M basically all adults in America? by coofercat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I worked for a financially-regulated place here in the UK and every once in a while you'd hear "that sort of f-up could see us lose our license" (and so stuff didn't happen) - exactly what the regulator intended (and for the most part, it seemed like a good outcome, from what I could tell).

      In the case of Equifax in the US - why do they need SSNs? I presume it's a way to differentiate Jim Kirk from New York and Jim Kirk from Boston. I don't imagine they ever actually have a need to use the SSN with someone else (right?). In which case, they could have simply hashed the SSN on receipt and stored the hash. Right now, they'd still be in a world of trouble, but a lot less than they actually are (and could arguably have been a smaller target).

      I guess what I'm asking is what could (really) cause such an incredible failure of judgement/execution on their part? Even the US's relatively slack laws on data protection would at least make hashing SSNs something you might at least think about, don't they?

      Whilst I agree that some major sanctions against companies doing this sort of thing is definitely in order (here, the US might do well to look to the EU or Singapore for some ideas), but will that actually solve the real, core, underlying issue that let this happen in the first place, or will it just throw a couple of extra firewalls on the network for "due diligence" and leave the same crappy implementation choices in the systems that actually run the show?

    3. Re:Isn't 143M basically all adults in America? by Kierthos · · Score: 2

      Lots of companies can pull credit reports on their customers (usually with customer permission). I mean, if you've ever tried to get a major loan, it's happened. Or even applying for certain jobs, the company could request a credit report from the three majors (Experian, Equifax, and TransUnion).

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    4. Re:Isn't 143M basically all adults in America? by Kierthos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They typically use a number of 'attributes' to positively identify someone. SSN is one. But they also use first name, last name, DOB, etc.

      Now, if SSN is unique, then why do they need all that other information? To protect against a fraudulent credit request or a request without enough information.

      So, you send the credit request to whatever company.... odds are you're not directly asking the three majors (Experian, Equifax, TransUnion), for the information. But regardless, you send the request off. Let's say you have the right name, and the right SSN, but whoever handled the data entry on the DOB had a typo in there.

      It _should_ come back with a response that your identifying information doesn't match anyone. But that all depends on which service you're using. Some are much more on the ball about this sort of thing. Hell, some of the services won't let you pull a credit report UNLESS you have all that info and more, just to cut down on requests.

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    5. Re:Isn't 143M basically all adults in America? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe the fines should be whatever it costs to re-issue new social security (or social insurance in Canada) numbers to everyone, including costs of managing the transition.

      I think it's pretty clear that the US needs to move away from the social security number being both a confidential number and a unique key that is shared to verify your identity. Those two uses are mutually exclusive.

      The government either needs to give the individual the ability to authorize specific identity checks though a tokencard or some other means.

      Congress doesn't want to do this because big business wants to be able to check your background details for free and at will, but it needs to stop. Unfortunately, the amount of traction that the private citizen has with congress is pretty small compared to big business' lobby.

    6. Re:Isn't 143M basically all adults in America? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Eventually it will all leak but not before much of it is quite stale.

      While I wish that was true...
      - Birth dates never go stale
      - SSNs VERY rarely go stale (I know they can be changed, but I've never actually heard of it being done)
      - First names, rarely go stale
      - Last names probably only go stale once or twice per lifetime on average

      The stuff that actually will go stale (e.g. addresses, driver's license number, phone numbers, etc.) is the stuff that's least important.

      That said, you are correct about this stuff already being available to people who knew to ask and who were willing to pay a higher price. All of which should point us towards finally fixing the system that depends on an assumption of secrecy for a number that was never intended to be a secret and that is regularly shared as a routine matter of business.

  3. Quick question... by s0litaire · · Score: 2

    Are we sure it was ONLY US data/personal information that was leaked?

    Personally I would not be in any way surprised, if it's uncovered in a few weeks time, that personal information from other countries was also in the leak.

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    1. Re:Quick question... by richy+freeway · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. But it's so damn easy by boudie2 · · Score: 2

    I just click here and my banking is done. I just click here and I bought that new iPad. And I just click here and ... Hey! where'd all my money go?

  5. Information Circle Jerk by Arzaboa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We read daily that the internet functions on our data. We hear constantly, "we are the products, our data is the product."

    We are going to hear a million reasons why now this data isn't so valuable. We already see their attempt to flush everyone their "credit monitoring" sham. No one can sue the company in any meaningful way. There are no real remedies that exist for really anyone.

    We all do a huge portion of our business online. This hack hits at the true heart of the internet, if we can't figure out who is who, you can not make a transaction. Our internet identities are a very real extension of our physical identities.

    This reeks of every single issue that we all see today, from Terms of Service being forced onto folks, one sided contracts that only favor a large company we are forced to deal with whether you want to or not, companies using and selling our data that we have nothing to do with. We are just a commodity, and this really should make everyone feel exactly that.

    At what point is having part of us sold and traded ok? Is this where we find out?

    Hypocrisy is about to rain down hard. We will not see any meaningful change. We will see all of these folks tell us that in essence, while we can be arrested and profiled online, that our personal data that is essentially "who we are" online, doesn't have the same protections as our person.

  6. What needs to happen... by r2rknot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...Is congress needs to pass legislation that gives a process to people that allows them to collect damages from lenders that lend to criminals. Such a process needs to burden the lender with proving a debtor owes this money, and that it was actually they who requested such a loan. If they cannot, then if they attempt to collect on such a debit, they can be liable for damages. Probably not a large sum, possibly just a (small) percentage of the loan they gave away to the crook. Of course more aggravated attempts might warrant larger sums. Much such a process require that the fiscal institution cannot collect and store. So that each application must be independently vetted, each time.

    Some side effects: More stringent identification taken to link documents to people. Loan processes taking much longer, and people who cannot vet themselves to an institutions satisfaction not receiving loans. An entire new system or vendors and providers revolving around bio metric verification. Also, higher loan rates because they will pass these costs onto the consumer. Less loans in total.

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  7. Re:Details of breach? by hord · · Score: 5, Informative

    From what few details I have gathered it was an attack on Apache Struts that allowed the attackers to siphon data slowly over a period of time. I haven't seen any verified information about encryption or what was actually copied. My own personal speculation is the attacker got plain-text personal data that leaked out of some API.

  8. Put them out of bussiness by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a real golden oportunity to finally rebalance the exposure to risk that amassing large data stores creates. Right now all of the risk is on the subject (you) of the data bases and there's almost no liability for the data base holder. Their only liablity comes from public good will not financial liability.

    The best possible outcome in this case is to sue Equifax out of existence. This particular instance is a gift int he sense that equifax disappearing would not harm society at all since it's function are handled redunantly and competitively by two other companies. Anything short of annihilating the company is too little.

    The reasons is those two other companies , and by extention all data base holders, need to be on notice that they will suffer financial liability not just good-will liability

    To understand the status quo better, and to see why this case in particular makes extinction the ideal remedy look at how every data breach to date has been handled in the past.

    there's two ways to deal with data breaches
    1. Credit freeze. (prevents credit accounts from being opened by denying credit reports to inquiring creditors).
    2. Credit monitoring (they let you know after the fact that tour credit just got robbed)

    The latter is nearly free to implement but has almost no value to the injured consumer. The former, the credit freeze, actually fixes the problem, puts power in the hands of the consumer but has the downside that it costs lots of money to implement. (the reason one has to pay for this is because the data base companies make money when they hand over your credit report to an inquiring creditor. If they can't hand it over they can't make any money off your data. Ergo, you have to pay them instead.)

    No one ever offers the Credit Freeze because it's expensive. In this particular case the company that would pay for the credit freeze is actually the one that makes money off these credit freezes and could not make any money if they had to freeze all of the accounts. They might as well not even exist as a company if 100% of their accounts had credit ffreezes

    Thus the proper remedy here is to require them, via class action lawsuits, to require credit freezes on 100% of the accounts. Even without extracting damage payments, this would likely cut their profits massively. And if they had to also pay the other two credit agencies for your credit freeze then they would have negative earnings. They would cease to exist without any tort penalties.

    This would be the perfect outcome for consumers and do no damage to our credit system.

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    1. Re:Put them out of bussiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This would be the perfect outcome for consumers and do no damage to our credit system.

      Therefore, the chance of it happening is exactly 0%.

    2. Re:Put them out of bussiness by bigdavex · · Score: 3, Informative

      I froze my credit with all 3 agencies without paying anyone. I think there's an Indiana requirement.

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    3. Re:Put them out of bussiness by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh there will be a law suit. It will be settled out of court - after all this is the financial industry. Lawyers will walk off with a few tens of millions and affected consumers will get a 5% discount on their next credit check provided they cash in the coupon before the 6 month expiry date.

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    4. Re:Put them out of bussiness by theArtificial · · Score: 2

      I've heard the credit freeze being mentioned in response to the news. My understanding is that when freezing your credit you're assigned a PIN. Freezing is also not permanent. In which database are the PIN numbers stored?

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    5. Re:Put them out of bussiness by torkus · · Score: 2

      Oh please, anyone affected already gets a free year of monitoring...with some hidden fine print that it also auto-enrolls them in PAID monitoring the following year unless they opt out at just the right time, etc.

      It's actually egregiously bad behavior and hopefully something the courts use to bash them even harder.

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  9. Re:A very harshly worded letter was sent! by avandesande · · Score: 4, Funny

    After that they will be made to sit in the comfy chair!

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  10. Translation by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It finally hit home and some congresscritters were affected by the fallout.

    Good.

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  11. Re:Why is this just happening by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Some politicians just found out that their personal information was used to steal their ID. Why should they get active any sooner?

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  12. Re:How About by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    If it was at least a slap. Usually what they get is a pat on the hand and a "there, there..."

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  13. Re:Senators by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty sure there have. Why else should there be an investigation?

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  14. Would like an authorisation token for searches by iTrawl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be nice to be able to issue an authorisation token with the credit agency and pass that to the institution that wants to search my file. Don't have the token? No search, go away.

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  15. Oh goodie... by CharlesAKAChuck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Would that be the Equifax breach from April 2013 to January 2014, or the Equifax breach from April 2016 to March 2017, or another one in May 2016, or another one from March 2016 to March 2017, or another one in January 2017, or the most recent one in July 2017?

  16. Need a 2017 news template?: by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 3, Funny

    The massive breach of [insert] is attracting scrutiny from government officials across the country. Lawmakers from both parties have expressed concern over the hack, which could have left vulnerable sensitive personal information for as many as [insert] million people. The [insert], [insert] and [insert] have announced formal investigations into the hack... The [insert] announced on [insert] that it sent a letter to [insert] seeking answers about the extent of the breach and what [insert] is doing to mitigate its impact. In the House, [insert] Committee Chairman [insert] ld a hearing on the hacks at a to-be-determined date. [insert] noted in a statement that such breaches are becoming "too common" and that [people] "deserve answers." House [insert] and [insert] Committee Chairman [insert] said that [his/her] committee would hold a separate hearing on the matter as well.

  17. You still win either way by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't care if I get a dime. If the lawyers get it all, but we succeed in anihilating Equifax then I will benefit. All future datebases will take into the account the finincial liability they face if they don't do security right. I win from that. It's not a $10 rebate I want.

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  18. Funny thing about credit freezes... by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Credit freezes are hilarious when you think about what they mean.

    When I have frozen credit, that means that you can't loan me money without first authenticating me and getting my authorization.

    So.. what does unfrozen credit mean?

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  19. Things that need to be done by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Immediately protect ALL customers by allowing users to lock and unlock their profiles across all the major credit bureaus at ZERO cost the user.
    2. Provide lifelong monitoring of profiles and credit activity at ZERO cost.
    3. Investigate the insider trading.
    4. Remove protections for Equifax against class action lawsuits for any damages that result.
    5. Figure out who the F allowed this happen. I am betting an insider did it.

    Then, establish a CENTRAL system to coordinate credit activity (but, not have the profiles themselves) so that protection of one's credit is a very simple process.

  20. Equifax recommends FireEye .. by khz6955 · · Score: 2

    “We have this category that Equifax calls unhandled malware, [with] which traditional security approaches haven’t been very helpful. Putting in FireEye has really helped us detect this unhandled malware, then gives us the capability to take action to stay secure.” Tony Spinelli, SVP and CSO of Equifax

  21. Or the Equifax breach from 2011 that I experienced by Optic7 · · Score: 2

    An email address that I used ONLY for Equifax started getting spammed in 2011. They were breached back then. I contacted their customer service to report it and their response was that I needed to contact my email provider to check my spam settings.