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Apple Announces iPhone X With Edge-To-Edge Display, Wireless Charging and No Home Button (theverge.com)

At its event in Cupertino, California today, Apple unveiled the iPhone X to mark the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. It brings several new features including an edge-to-edge screen, Qi wireless charging, and Face ID. The Verge reports: Because of its edge-to-edge display, the iPhone has no place for a conventional home button, relying instead on a complex facial recognition system to unlock the phone. Called FaceID, the new system will replace TouchID, the home button sensor that's enabled fingerprint logins since 2013's iPhone 5S. Users can wake the phone by swiping up from the button instead of hitting the button. The same gesture will open the control panel once the phone is awake. The updated iPhone 8 will continue unchanged, including both the home button and TouchID. Apple also unveiled the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus, which are updated versions of the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus released last year. These new devices feature glass backs with support for wireless charging. The Verge provides some additional specs and features in its report: Apple has improved the display on the iPhone 8 line, adding the same True Tone technology it offers on the 10.5-inch iPad Pro to automatically adjust the screen based on the ambient light in the room to offer more accurate colors. Internally, Apple has upgraded the processor from the A10 Fusion found in the 7 to the A11 Bionic. It's a six-core chip with two performance cores that are 25 percent faster than the A10, and four performance cores that the company says are 70 percent faster that the old model. There's also a new Apple-designed GPU that's 30 percent faster, with the same performance as the A10 at half the power. On the camera front, there's a new 12-megapixel sensor on the iPhone 8 that is larger, faster, and finally has optical image stabilization. The iPhone 8 Plus also has new sensors, and offers f/1.8 and f/2.8 apertures now. The dual cameras on the 8 Plus also have a new "Portrait Lighting" feature to adjust the lighting for portrait shots. And Apple says that the improvements apply to video, too, with Apple executive Phil Schiller claiming that the new devices have the "highest quality video capture ever in a smartphone," with support for 4K/60fps video. Slow motion videos now support up to 1080p resolution at 240fps, doubling the the iPhone 7's 120fps option. The iPhone 8 will start at $699 for a 64GB model, while the 8 Plus will start at $799 for 64GB of storage. You can preorder these devices starting Friday, September 15th, and they will be released a week later on September 22nd.

UPDATE 9/12/17: The iPhone X will be priced starting at $999 for the 64GB variant. Pre-order will be available October 27th with shipments starting November 3rd.

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  1. Not want by XXongo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    No, I'm sorry, I don't really want a phone that starts up when it thinks it recognizes my face.

    I'd like a plain "on" button, thank you.

    1. Re:Not want by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But a phone that unlocks when it sees your face is one that the police can confiscate and unlock by simply aiming it at your face.

      Why wouldn't you want that convenience?

    2. Re:Not want by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Point it at your junk when it wants the reference picture. Duh.

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    3. Re:Not want by the_skywise · · Score: 2

      Well it only works if your eyes are open so they can't mace you then try to scan you...

    4. Re:Not want by MikeDataLink · · Score: 2

      But a phone that unlocks when it sees your face is one that the police can confiscate and unlock by simply aiming it at your face.

      Why wouldn't you want that convenience?

      They addressed this in the presentation. You have to look at it with your eyeballs. As long as you look away with your eyes, it won't unlock.

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    5. Re:Not want by sehlat · · Score: 2

      But a phone that unlocks when it sees your face is one that the police can confiscate and unlock by simply aiming it at your face.

      Why wouldn't you want that convenience?

      I'd like to get some information on just how accurate that face-match actually is. For example, my beard length changes over several months until I trim it back for another crop. I'm also wondering just how many attempts before you have to type in your passphrase.

    6. Re:Not want by jmv · · Score: 2

      Don't worry, they're already working on the next model that will remove the screen entirely and just do whatever you should want to do.

    7. Re:Not want by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      Time not important. Only life important.

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    8. Re:Not want by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Big badda boom.

    9. Re: Not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Muuuultipass

    10. Re:Not want by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

      You could just unlock it with a PIN

    11. Re:Not want by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      I'm sure crumpled paper will line up exactly with the 30k dots it has remembering the exact depth of your face.

      Now Arya Stark must be beaming with glee over the windfall coming her way.

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    12. Re:Not want by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Informative

      I get the point you're making, but it's worth pointing out for others that it doesn't just unlock when it thinks it sees you. Rather, it waits for you to focus your attention on it first. It's also worth mentioning that the false positive rate on Touch ID was 1 in 50,000, which was fine for the vast majority of their customers, whereas Face ID is 1 in 1,000,000. If you were already okay with Touch ID's level of accuracy, or else were on the fence before and just wanted it to be a bit better, Face ID may be the leap forward in accuracy that you wanted, even if it seems weirdly different at first glance.

    13. Re:Not want by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      That skill would require many hours of Kegels to perfect.

      Also fat 'finger' issues, for me anyhow.

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    14. Re:Not want by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Funny

      But they could just send an instant message to it and let Pavlovian conditioning do the rest.

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    15. Re:Not want by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Gee, you don't think it's because everybody plays tech stocks with the strategy of "buy on rumor, sell on news" do you?

      No, I'm sure it's because the tech geniuses at the hedge funds think these new products are terrible, and that Apple is going to sell zero units and burn through their hundreds of billions of dollars in their Scrooge McDuck Money Bin on the new Campus in the next quarter...

      Hint: this happens on every launch day.

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    16. Re:Not want by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because I'm sure they don't have the tried-and-true PIN entry available still, just like OMG WHAT IF I'M WEARING GLOVES AND IT CAN'T READ MY FINGERPRINT?!

      It's not like it takes a room full of PhDs to figure that one out...

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    17. Re:Not want by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Gonna suck for identical twins too.

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    18. Re:Not want by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      Buy the rumor and anticipation, sell the news. A Wall Street truism for a hundred years.

    19. Re:Not want by exomondo · · Score: 2

      I'm sure crumpled paper will line up exactly with the 30k dots it has remembering the exact depth of your face.

      That doesn't make it sound like this is going to work particularly well when I'm wearing ski goggles or dirtbike gear. This new form over function could prove to be a very annoying direction for Apple to go.

    20. Re:Not want by fatwilbur · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think what's far worse about it will be the battery impact from operating the camera the entire time the phone is on, or even with some logic, a good percentage of the time.

    21. Re:Not want by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Informative

      So, a few things:
      1) Their demonstration suggests it relies on accelerometer readings to know when to activate the sensor, since they had to raise the device before it started looking for faces. You can probably also click the power button to activate it, but either way, it doesn't appear to be always-on.

      2) From what we understand, it isn't using the camera to detect faces. Rather, it's using something more akin to the Kinect, since it's projecting 30,000 IR dots and then sensing them via a basic IR sensor to create a 3D mesh.

      3) Even if raising it isn't necessary to trigger the sensors, if the accelerometer is telling it it's stationary, it can stay off 99.9% of the time and just do a quick IR pulse every fraction of a second to see if anything's moved. Likewise, if the proximity sensor is telling it it's in a pocket or pressed to your ear it can stay off 100% of the time.

      4) Even if it is always-on (which, again, it doesn't appear to be), they're claiming it gets 2 hours better battery life than the iPhone 7, so they must have figured out some way to optimize things.

  2. FaceID by SchrodingersCT · · Score: 2

    FaceID seems like a change just for changes sake, and I'm skeptical about their claims about it being more secure.

  3. It's official by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The smartphone market is officially mature, as indicated by the fact that even Apple can't come up with anything other than incremental improvements and gimmicks.

    1. Re:It's official by mjwx · · Score: 2

      What's funny is during the keynote they listed the resolution for landscape while showing the iPhone in portrait orientation.

      You seem to be under the impression that an Apple keynote is about passing on useful information and accurate specifications. Please report to your nearest Steve Jobs Memorial iReducation centre.

      An Apple keynote is about giving fanboys wank material whilst ignoring that someone else had invented it first.

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  4. Oh Look by mattwrock · · Score: 2

    All the things Samsung has had for awhile. My wife has been using that feature for months. I think I remember Apple fanboys dismissing the edge to edge display. But since it's Apple, it's cool now. I honestly don't mind companies adding features from their competitors, but it's the "Since it's Apple, it's awesome!" attitude. Apple is temporarily on par with Samsung.

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  5. Re:Waitin for it to be unable to unlock for somebo by Diss+Champ · · Score: 2

    You use your unlock code, just like the guy on stage had to do when it didn't unlock for him during the big presentation.

  6. It's only $999 by known_coward_69 · · Score: 5, Funny

    WTF?

    Why is it so cheap? Hoping it was at least $3000 so the peons couldn't afford one

    1. Re:It's only $999 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Will be with optional USB-C adapter.

  7. FaceID FAILURE!!! by HannethCom · · Score: 5, Funny

    The funniest thing was them trying to show it off working on stage, and it failed asking him to use his PIN instead because face recognition failed.

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    1. Re:FaceID FAILURE!!! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 3, Informative

      Face recognition didn't fail, they didn't unlock the phone when it woke up, just like with Touch ID. You have to provide a passcode after the phone has been turned off and on.

    2. Re:FaceID FAILURE!!! by torkus · · Score: 2

      At best, the only thing it does is force users to enter their passcode so they don't forget it

      You answered your own question. That is very much why this is in place.

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    3. Re:FaceID FAILURE!!! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      While there was a gaffe with that demo, it actually wasn't a problem with Face ID. Rather, whoever was prepping those iPhones didn't do something they should have done, which resulted in the presenter triggering a standard security mechanism that everyone who uses Touch ID probably recognized immediately.

      As a security precaution, iPhones are currently designed to require that the user enter their passcode instead of using Touch ID:
      1) Every time the iPhone is restarted.
      2) If it's been more than a week since the last time the passcode was entered and more than 8 hours since the last time it was unlocked.
      3) After too many failed attempts to unlock the iPhone via Touch ID.

      Based on the message displayed on the demo iPhone X, it looks like Face ID has those same precautions and that they happened to run into #2, which was an entirely avoidable blunder. All they needed to do was have someone go through and made sure that each of those devices was unlocked via passcode sometime in the prior week. The fact that they didn't meant that they got egg all over their face right as they were trying to introduce a marquee feature.

      You can bet someone got a chewing out over that mistake.

  8. Re:Dual Product Launch by wed128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My mom would. A person who wants a reasonably new phone, doesn't want to show off, wants a couple of years worth of software updates, and doesn't want to spend $300 for the fancy display.

  9. Nope Not True Edge to Edge by HannethCom · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have seen the Samsung edge to edge technology, and it is truly edge to edge. I just saw the iPhone X, and there is a definite bezel. It is a wrapping around piece of glass, but there is black between the screen and the side of the glass, so not a true edge to edge, even though they are using a Samsung display.

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    1. Re:Nope Not True Edge to Edge by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If it were much smaller, you couldn't use it with a case, which most iPhone users do (87% according to one survey).

      That said, I really don't get the appeal of bezel-less design on cell phones. It seems completely backwards to me. I hold a phone in my hand. The bezel provides a grip surface. Making that surface smaller is an undesirable feature. Yet if the technology is possible in a phone, it should also be possible in a laptop, which I don't hold in my hand, which therefore does not need a bezel. Why didn't the technology get used there first (or, for that matter, exclusively)?

      Worse, when the menu bar is white or when watching videos, these bezel-less designs look ugly. That huge gap at the top where the camera goes means that you can't really watch videos on the entire screen, or else you lose part of the image and it looks ridiculous. So app developers will end up adding a zoom mode like they did for the 4:3 iPads so that the unusable area is avoided. And if they don't want it to look ridiculously lopsided, they'll probably trim the other end, too, and effectively we bring back the bezel, just without the convenience of an actual home button.

      I just don't get it. What about this is supposed to be an improvement?

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  10. Re:Dual Product Launch by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

    Someone who wants a home button.

  11. Re:Dual Product Launch by JohnFen · · Score: 2

    I dunno, between the two the 8 looks like the more desirable phone to me.

  12. Re:Dual Product Launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The ONLY reason people buy iStuff is to show off. Get over it. That's the only 'value proposition' Apple has left. They have lagged in features for years now and now it's all 'OH LOOK SHINY NEW' as the lemmings flock to it.

  13. Re:Is the facial recognition a cloud service? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Informative

    Facial recognition doesn't take any photos, just like Touch ID didn't take an imprint of your finger. It converts it to a mathematical representation and does a comparison inside the Secure Enclave. The analysis it does is non-transferable.

  14. Re:FaceID + ApplePay = Problems? by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Informative

    You've got the double press the power (now the "selector"?) button to enable ApplePay now and they've probably disabled the auto-detection. If anything your scenario is more likely now with TouchID. My main issue with it is that it's not as seamless as using ApplePay with TouchID. Pull the phone out of my pocket, move the iPhone to the reader, wait for the iPhone to detect the reader and the card to appear and press the home button to confirm Now i've got to pull the phone out of my pocket, hold the phone to my face, double click the button and move the phone to the reader and then wait for the iPhone to detect the reader and hope that it detects my reader and not the one next to it as I move it over.

  15. Re:So along with the new sensors by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dude, nobody cares about the headphone jack except slashdot whiners.

    Or people who actually use their phones.

  16. Re:Dual Product Launch by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    Between all models shown on the keynote slide, the iPhone SE is the only one that looks the size of a phone. All others are small tablets.

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  17. Re:Dual Product Launch by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

    My partner got an iPhone SE when her iPhone 6 died. It was cheaper and she likes the smaller form factor better. Not everyone cares to be cutting edge with absolutely everything.

  18. TrueDepth by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's hoping the face scanning technology becomes user accessible as a general-purpose 3D scanner.

  19. Re:What would Steve Jobs think? by BronsCon · · Score: 2

    Wait a minute... Maybe that is the innovation here! An Apple device built to work outside Apple's ecosystem! Now, wouldn't that be something?

    A combination of opening up the walled garden just a bit and releasing computers based on current-gen hardware would get me to give them another look.

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  20. Re:So along with the new sensors by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I definitely wouldn't sweat paying for a good set of Bluetooth headphones.

    I have yet to see a set of Bluetooth headphones, at any price, that can adequately replace wired headphones for my use case. The battery doesn't last nearly long enough.

  21. Re:Cut and paste by pauljlucas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yet can't even cut and paste.

    Copy & paste has been in iOS since 3.0 which was back in 2009. But don't let reality ruin your out-of-date rant.

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  22. Re:So along with the new sensors by jwhyche · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have yet to see a set of Bluetooth headphones, at any price, that can adequately replace wired headphones for my use case. The battery doesn't last nearly long enough

    If you are only worried about battery life then you haven't been looking at the right headphones. My BTS Pro 66 have continuous playback rated at 40 hours.

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  23. Re:So along with the new sensors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    the new Mac Pro

  24. Edge by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With all these edge to edge displays, I hope they have technology that can prevent my phone from doing totally unpredictable things when I pick it up. Is that too much to ask for? This is a problem with my regular bezel edge phone, can't imagine what it will be like with an edge to edge phone.

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    1. Re:Edge by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      can't imagine what it will be like with an edge to edge phone.

      Then just walk into a shop and try it. There's no problem with rejecting touches on the edge of the screen on the Galaxy S6 edge or any other edge to edge display built in the past 3 generations. It's one of those things that you think will be a problem because of your previous experience with a completely unrelated product. But the thing is, when people build something that actively causes a problem they also design engineering solutions for them.

      It's like watching people use the stylus on my Surface for the first time and seeing them hover their hands in their air. Dude put your hand on the screen like a normal writer. Palm rejection, accidental touch rejection, and all those other things were actually thought of in the design.

  25. Re:Dual Product Launch by Kohath · · Score: 2

    Someone who wants a phone instead of a slot on a waiting list.

  26. Re:Is the facial recognition a cloud service? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    You're assuming Face ID relies on photos (like most other smartphone facial recognition systems), but so far as we know, it doesn't. Rather, it works a lot more like the Kinect.

    Basically, it uses an infrared dot projector and infrared sensor in the new "TrueDepth Camera System" to create a three-dimensional mesh of the user's face by projecting 30,000 IR dots onto your face, then detecting how they relate to each other. Based on the distances between the dots the phone is able to generate a 3D mapping of your face which is then mathematically represented, hashed, and stored in the Secure Enclave, in much the same way that fingerprints are handled with Touch ID. All of that is done without necessarily needing a photo to be taken. And, just to conjecture a bit, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they apply filtering to the IR sensor when it's used for Face ID so that it doesn't capture the wavelengths associated with body heat emitted from faces (since filtering in that way would make it easier to track the dots), meaning that they may not even capture an image of your face in the infrared spectrum at all, let alone in the visible spectrum.

    But, going back to the OP's question, Apple has explicitly confirmed to various news outlets that all information collected via Face ID stays on their user's devices, so even if they captured a photo, they've confirmed they won't get it.

  27. Re:Dual Product Launch by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    My partner got an iPhone SE when her iPhone 6 died.

    Business Partner?

    Girlfriend?

    Wife?

    Friend with benefits...?

    Enquiring minds want to know....

    :)

    But seriously...what's the deal with people not telling what their relationship is...."partner" says nothing.

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  28. Re:FaceID + ApplePay = Problems? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    It's gonna be funny watching people try to hold the phone to the terminal and get their face in view at the same time.

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  29. Is that really a display with a bite out of it? by istartedi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that really display surface with a bite out of it on the X? What are you supposed to do with the two little devil-horns at the top? Ads I guess. Yeah, nevermind. Devil-horn advertising will be the hot new trend.

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  30. Re:Dual Product Launch by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

    So your current Apple product is failing horribly, so you are considering getting a new Apple product? Why reward them for making a crappy phone that failed on you?

    I had it for 3 years, so that's not too bad. Plus, my wife has had 3 crappy Android phones over the same period, and the design flaw the 6 plus had was corrected in the next iteration.

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  31. ComeFace by seoras · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Set your Apple Face ID to your comeface, so that if someone mugs you for your phone they at least have to wank you off first" - Frankie Boyle.

  32. Re:3D dot projector, scanning objects in 3D by AC-x · · Score: 2

    Having used similar sensors (Structure, Kinect etc.) it's fun to play with but ultimately not high quality enough to do anything useful with.

  33. Re:So along with the new sensors by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    Having a active lifestyle is one of the reasons I went wireless. I've seen a number of wired headphones get grabbed by various parts of gym equipment and bicycles to think about it. Of course this never happened to me because I kept my cord well managed but I just got rid of the cord and it became one less thing to worry about.

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  34. Re:So along with the new sensors by suutar · · Score: 2

    or cussed while shelling out for a lightning splitter so they could both charge and use the adapter at the same time like you could do before with two less dongles.