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Google Hit With Gender Pay Discrimination Lawsuit (axios.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Three female former Google employees have filed a lawsuit against the search giant alleging gender-based pay discrimination, as the Associated Press reported. The former employees, Kelly Ellis, Holly Pease and Kelli Wisuri, all left the company after being put on career paths within the company that they say would pay them less than their male counterparts.
It will be absolutely hilarious to watch Google defend against this in courts. After all, we all got the memo that victim-blaming and perpetuating gender stereotypes goes against Google's core values.
/popcorn
Why don't these chicks just identify as male if they want higher salaries? Problem solved.
Here's the actual source from the Washington Post rather than some blog or whatever the source cited in the summary is.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of grievance mongers.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Google is infamously left-wing. That's the *reason* they're being sued. It sounds counter-intuitive, but it's true. Hear me out.
I work at Google. You'll find no real sexism here. What you will find is unending leftist propaganda. There's a weekly microaggression newsletter, even. The constant drumbeat is "You are a victim! You are being oppressed! The world is arrayed against everyone except white men!"
Now, when you put a normal well adjusted person in this environment, he or she starts to believe the propaganda and attribute any adverse circumstances to his or her identity group, not to his or her individual abilities and choices. The non-stop social justice narrative teaches people to see everything as a social justice grievance.
So is it any wonder that some women at Google started to really believe that they were being oppressed and sued? You reap what you sow.
building up quite the strawmen there
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Once Google denied that their gender gap could possibly be caused by any non-discriminatory factors, all you are left with is discrimination.
This is only the beginning. Class-action suits will soon follow and the statements of top Google executives in response to the Damore memo have painted Google into a corner.
To echo other posters, couldn't happen to a nicer company.
I, and probably no one outside of Google, know the details of these cases but, can you really hope to succeed in making a class action suit with just three cases?
Also, they "were put in a career path that paid less than those of males?". Maybe they weren't good enough for the higher paying paths.
The former employees, Kelly Ellis, Holly Pease and Kelli Wisuri, all left the company after being put on career paths within the company that they say would pay them less than their male counterparts.
Let me get this straight. They aren't suing because they were being paid less, they're suing because in the future they might've been paid less?
One could argue that probation was caused by women's suffrage when you look back in history, however I'm not sure it is totally fair to blame them for it..
Personally, I think the general idea of letting women vote was and is a good one... Ranks right up there with letting all citizens vote, instead of just property owners.
But again, I'm an old white guy who by definition cannot be in a victim class so who the heck cares what I think on this subject...
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At one time I might have put up a defense for them, but not anymore. Far too much BS coming out of Google these days, and they good and cleanly shot themselves in both their feet with the Memo fiasco.
This sure is an inconvenient story, isn't it? Google, that solidly left-wing company, so left that they fired a man for a very well written and calm critique of Googleâ(TM)s policies (with rather decent suggestions to improve things, mind you). He argued that Google was becoming an "ideological echo chamber" where right-of-center views weren't welcome. He was dismissed for creating a hostile work environment, proving the point. Now Google is being sued for not being far enough left. Google may well end up arguing the exact same points the memo author made in court. I'm making the popcorn, this is going to be a great show.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
"reverse discrimination" .
This strawman is getting old, along with all the others in your post.
I think you've signalled enough virtue for one thread fella.
Name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, She claimed she was sexually harassed two years ago. Obviously, nothing came of it, so she moved on to the next feminist myth.
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Whoa there ganjadude, you need to watch your terminology or someone might get offended. You should use the gender-neutral "straw persons" or perhaps the more modern preferred terminology "persons of straw" when pointing out logical fallacies. I don't quite know if this could be construed as a micro-aggression, but it's at least a pico-agression and probably closer to a nano-aggression.
So many lawsuits, class action on age discrimination, class action on sex discrimination for women, soon a class action on sex discrimination from men fired by James and people he's contacting, multiple lawsuits for interfering with businesses on videos, advertising, search engine ranking in the EU, etc.
It's almost like instead of focusing on business, Googles views are causing all these lawsuits. Crazy how that karma comes back.
Prohibition. And yes absolutely, the woman suffragists _were_ largely the same group as the temperance societies.
Worse, they did it while the young men were away fighting WWI and couldn't practically vote. Talk about a kick in the teeth when you got back.
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Gender or minority-based pay discrimination can be identified by answering just one simple question: are there any jobs in the company or organization that are performed both by people across the relevant demographics being compared with approximately the same level of experience where there is a difference in rate of pay? If yes, then there is discrimination. If not, then you cannot infer that there is any. Even when the jobs that pay the most are dominated by whiite males, for example, you cannot reasonably infer pay discrimination based upon that statistic because there can be a multitude of factors which can impact which people even both to apply for certain types of jobs, and which are entirely outside of the company's ability to control. The only thing you can reasonably expect a company to do is to pay its employees ethically and fairly for the work that they do, and this pay should be reflective only of the demands that the work places upon an individual. Trying to get companies to fix sociological and societal problems that might cause people of mostly one gender to apply only for certain types of positions in the first place cannot reasonably be expected to be a company's responsibility to mitigate. That responsibility falls on all of us... not to give women or minorities more incentive to apply for such jobs, but to not give them any disincentive to do so.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
*slow clap*
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Whoa there ganjadude, you need to watch how you administer non-verbal praise, facetious or not. The proper way to "clap" is to click your fingers. Clapping is an oppressive expression that shows your privilege. However many pico-aggressions you just committed before you have definitely crossed into micro aggression territory. Find the nearest minority or woman and give them $1000 to reaffirm that you are an ally to the cause and not an alt-right cis gendered sexist- racist- homophobe- xenophobe- islamaphobe deplorable.
In the CS department where I work, we admit generally equal numbers of males and females. They are admitted because they have excellent SAT and GPAs and other assessment scores. By time they are senior, women are in the minority.
Why? Self selection bias. The CS program is tough. The less capable males are trained to be confident so they are more likely to stick around. Females are more self critical, so the less capable ones are more likely to change majors.
The result is that only the top notch females stick around to graduate. When I taught machine learning I got only juniors, seniors, and grad students. My TA and I quickly realized that we didn't need to bother writing answer keys in advance. We'd just take the answers from these three girls (two domestic, one from china), check them for correctness, and pick the best for each one. These gave us exemplary answers that were used to judge what would get maximum points.
Compared to them, the top males produced answers that were no less correct. But these girls especially wrote answers that were more concise, clearer, and easier to evaluate.
Teaching other topics to grads and undergrads, I've generally seen similar patterns. Teaching computer architecture, my best student was a girl in more than one semester, and the girls tended to work harder, with the majority of them in the top half of the class. And once again, I saw similar patterns among engineers while I worked in industry.
I work at a good school but there are lots of higher ranked schools. Google should be careful hiring me into a management, because if a female engineer graduated from a decent school I'm going to assume she is like the ones I have taught first hand and not be prepared to think less unless I see undeniable poor performance that can't be explained by things beyond her control. Most of the males are also amazing I'm sure but my experiences have taught me that less capable ones manage to graduate and get hired, so each one would have to prove himself to me individually before I'm willing to take some of the same risks with their work assignments.
If you want to bitch and moan about how women get an unfair disadvantage or advantage, all of y'all can kiss my ass unless you have had years of experience managing and teaching. Everyone else is by definition speaking from ignorance.
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Can you point to where he suggested "separate but equal"?
It seems to me that he was advocating for equal treatment. Specifically, that the jobs should be changed for everyone. He talked about "pair programming and more collaboration", being less competitive and "allow[ing] those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive", etc. None of those suggestions said anything about creating separate roles for women.
He also talked about opening up the gender/race restricted programs to everyone. Assuming such programs exist (and nobody has said they don't), Google currently doesn't even have "separate but equal", but simply "separate".