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Google Hit With Gender Pay Discrimination Lawsuit (axios.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Three female former Google employees have filed a lawsuit against the search giant alleging gender-based pay discrimination, as the Associated Press reported. The former employees, Kelly Ellis, Holly Pease and Kelli Wisuri, all left the company after being put on career paths within the company that they say would pay them less than their male counterparts.
It will be absolutely hilarious to watch Google defend against this in courts. After all, we all got the memo that victim-blaming and perpetuating gender stereotypes goes against Google's core values.
/popcorn
Why don't these chicks just identify as male if they want higher salaries? Problem solved.
Here's the actual source from the Washington Post rather than some blog or whatever the source cited in the summary is.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of grievance mongers.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Google is infamously left-wing. That's the *reason* they're being sued. It sounds counter-intuitive, but it's true. Hear me out.
I work at Google. You'll find no real sexism here. What you will find is unending leftist propaganda. There's a weekly microaggression newsletter, even. The constant drumbeat is "You are a victim! You are being oppressed! The world is arrayed against everyone except white men!"
Now, when you put a normal well adjusted person in this environment, he or she starts to believe the propaganda and attribute any adverse circumstances to his or her identity group, not to his or her individual abilities and choices. The non-stop social justice narrative teaches people to see everything as a social justice grievance.
So is it any wonder that some women at Google started to really believe that they were being oppressed and sued? You reap what you sow.
building up quite the strawmen there
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Seriuosly. This is why you don't hire women. You're just asking for trouble, once they get in and get established. They automatically think they should be running the place.
Stand by to get sued either way then because you are still breaking the law.... It might just be better to hire women and pay them appropriately... I think it will be easier for you, but it usually is easier to comply with the law...
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Once Google denied that their gender gap could possibly be caused by any non-discriminatory factors, all you are left with is discrimination.
This is only the beginning. Class-action suits will soon follow and the statements of top Google executives in response to the Damore memo have painted Google into a corner.
To echo other posters, couldn't happen to a nicer company.
I, and probably no one outside of Google, know the details of these cases but, can you really hope to succeed in making a class action suit with just three cases?
Also, they "were put in a career path that paid less than those of males?". Maybe they weren't good enough for the higher paying paths.
The former employees, Kelly Ellis, Holly Pease and Kelli Wisuri, all left the company after being put on career paths within the company that they say would pay them less than their male counterparts.
Let me get this straight. They aren't suing because they were being paid less, they're suing because in the future they might've been paid less?
There are so many variables that go into determining comp packages... performance reviews and aggregate internal statistics (e.g., male vs. female comp) are easily discoverable, but they are just two data points among many. For example, I read an article written by a female television news reporter who discussed her first job out of college. She discovered that her male peer with same credentials, role, etc. was making a few thousand dollar more per year. She opted to ask her boss about the discrepancy, and her boss told her that her peer received more "because he asked." I found just that one anecdote so revealing about the myriad factors that go into pay decisions.
Seems to me somebody warned them that they needed to pay women more.....and then got fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
One could argue that probation was caused by women's suffrage when you look back in history, however I'm not sure it is totally fair to blame them for it..
Personally, I think the general idea of letting women vote was and is a good one... Ranks right up there with letting all citizens vote, instead of just property owners.
But again, I'm an old white guy who by definition cannot be in a victim class so who the heck cares what I think on this subject...
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
At one time I might have put up a defense for them, but not anymore. Far too much BS coming out of Google these days, and they good and cleanly shot themselves in both their feet with the Memo fiasco.
And, as James Damore told them, the appropriate pay for women is 26% more than for a man.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
This sure is an inconvenient story, isn't it? Google, that solidly left-wing company, so left that they fired a man for a very well written and calm critique of Googleâ(TM)s policies (with rather decent suggestions to improve things, mind you). He argued that Google was becoming an "ideological echo chamber" where right-of-center views weren't welcome. He was dismissed for creating a hostile work environment, proving the point. Now Google is being sued for not being far enough left. Google may well end up arguing the exact same points the memo author made in court. I'm making the popcorn, this is going to be a great show.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
"reverse discrimination" .
This strawman is getting old, along with all the others in your post.
I think you've signalled enough virtue for one thread fella.
... or change the law.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, She claimed she was sexually harassed two years ago. Obviously, nothing came of it, so she moved on to the next feminist myth.
Note to anyone hiring: Do not hire people who put "Patriarchy Smashing" on their list of skills on LinkedIn. Or this will happen to you!
Whoa there ganjadude, you need to watch your terminology or someone might get offended. You should use the gender-neutral "straw persons" or perhaps the more modern preferred terminology "persons of straw" when pointing out logical fallacies. I don't quite know if this could be construed as a micro-aggression, but it's at least a pico-agression and probably closer to a nano-aggression.
So many lawsuits, class action on age discrimination, class action on sex discrimination for women, soon a class action on sex discrimination from men fired by James and people he's contacting, multiple lawsuits for interfering with businesses on videos, advertising, search engine ranking in the EU, etc.
It's almost like instead of focusing on business, Googles views are causing all these lawsuits. Crazy how that karma comes back.
Prohibition. And yes absolutely, the woman suffragists _were_ largely the same group as the temperance societies.
Worse, they did it while the young men were away fighting WWI and couldn't practically vote. Talk about a kick in the teeth when you got back.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
LOL... Well, give it a go if you like, it's a free country, just don't expect me to support the effort..
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Gender or minority-based pay discrimination can be identified by answering just one simple question: are there any jobs in the company or organization that are performed both by people across the relevant demographics being compared with approximately the same level of experience where there is a difference in rate of pay? If yes, then there is discrimination. If not, then you cannot infer that there is any. Even when the jobs that pay the most are dominated by whiite males, for example, you cannot reasonably infer pay discrimination based upon that statistic because there can be a multitude of factors which can impact which people even both to apply for certain types of jobs, and which are entirely outside of the company's ability to control. The only thing you can reasonably expect a company to do is to pay its employees ethically and fairly for the work that they do, and this pay should be reflective only of the demands that the work places upon an individual. Trying to get companies to fix sociological and societal problems that might cause people of mostly one gender to apply only for certain types of positions in the first place cannot reasonably be expected to be a company's responsibility to mitigate. That responsibility falls on all of us... not to give women or minorities more incentive to apply for such jobs, but to not give them any disincentive to do so.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
*slow clap*
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but-but-but... he's an old white guy who... whatever he said. Don't you forget that!
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
I see SJW thrown around so often I just interpret as "person I disagree with"
No, the term you're thinking of here is "nazi".
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Lighten up, Francis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
He may think he likes living in a fair world. But if he woke up tomorrow as a black woman at google he'd be dead by the end of the day.
See white people are blind to the suffering of others because they can't experience suffering. It's written into the nature of the universe.
Sadly nobody knows why this is because of the overabundance of white men in physics... they can't observe the phenomena
Whoa there ganjadude, you need to watch how you administer non-verbal praise, facetious or not. The proper way to "clap" is to click your fingers. Clapping is an oppressive expression that shows your privilege. However many pico-aggressions you just committed before you have definitely crossed into micro aggression territory. Find the nearest minority or woman and give them $1000 to reaffirm that you are an ally to the cause and not an alt-right cis gendered sexist- racist- homophobe- xenophobe- islamaphobe deplorable.
I see attempts to whitewash the term so often I just shake my head.
It's not going away.
Her body may look good in a swimsuit, but her face is one only a mother could love. She's a 2-bagger - put one over her head and another over yours in case hers comes off. Coyote ugly, if you will.
She should be thankful for any compliments she gets. She'll get few, if any, from me.
Oh, please.
If either side of the political spectrum holds a monopoly on self righteousness or arrogance, they've got a direct competitor selling an awfully close substitute.
In the CS department where I work, we admit generally equal numbers of males and females. They are admitted because they have excellent SAT and GPAs and other assessment scores. By time they are senior, women are in the minority.
Why? Self selection bias. The CS program is tough. The less capable males are trained to be confident so they are more likely to stick around. Females are more self critical, so the less capable ones are more likely to change majors.
The result is that only the top notch females stick around to graduate. When I taught machine learning I got only juniors, seniors, and grad students. My TA and I quickly realized that we didn't need to bother writing answer keys in advance. We'd just take the answers from these three girls (two domestic, one from china), check them for correctness, and pick the best for each one. These gave us exemplary answers that were used to judge what would get maximum points.
Compared to them, the top males produced answers that were no less correct. But these girls especially wrote answers that were more concise, clearer, and easier to evaluate.
Teaching other topics to grads and undergrads, I've generally seen similar patterns. Teaching computer architecture, my best student was a girl in more than one semester, and the girls tended to work harder, with the majority of them in the top half of the class. And once again, I saw similar patterns among engineers while I worked in industry.
I work at a good school but there are lots of higher ranked schools. Google should be careful hiring me into a management, because if a female engineer graduated from a decent school I'm going to assume she is like the ones I have taught first hand and not be prepared to think less unless I see undeniable poor performance that can't be explained by things beyond her control. Most of the males are also amazing I'm sure but my experiences have taught me that less capable ones manage to graduate and get hired, so each one would have to prove himself to me individually before I'm willing to take some of the same risks with their work assignments.
If you want to bitch and moan about how women get an unfair disadvantage or advantage, all of y'all can kiss my ass unless you have had years of experience managing and teaching. Everyone else is by definition speaking from ignorance.
SJW in a nutshell.
Has appointed themselves defender of the group and knows whats best for them.
Not even members of the effected group get to so simply claim to know whats best for them.
With voluntary groups this is a no-brainer. The head of the NRA speaks for its members. The head of the UCLU speaks for its members. The head of the EFF speaks for its members.
Who speaks for Women? Who speaks for Latinos?
This is how legitimacy can be attained:
Form an actual association. For instance Latino-American Womens Foundation. Recruit members. Then you get to speak for your members. The more members you have, the louder your voice becomes.
SJW's arent legitimate and do not have a loud voice. They have a meaningless lying fuck voice because they are pretending without any legitimacy to be a groups representative.
"His name was James Damore."
Even better to just ignore affirmative action and hire based on merit so that your merit-based promotion system doesn't later relegate them to low tier career paths, forever cementing in their minds that they're downtrodden victims, that women in the west are perpetually oppressed, and simultaneously costing you dearly in ill-reasoned lawsuits.
When you see road littered with good intentions, you should be cautious of where it leads. It might not be the heavenly place you're thinking of.
Nazi is to SJWs what SJW is to Nazis.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'm confused, is "whitewash" racist?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
http://altshulerberzon.com/wp-...
they give voting rights to practically anyone these days. See where it got us.
lucm, indeed.
Can you point to where he suggested "separate but equal"?
It seems to me that he was advocating for equal treatment. Specifically, that the jobs should be changed for everyone. He talked about "pair programming and more collaboration", being less competitive and "allow[ing] those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive", etc. None of those suggestions said anything about creating separate roles for women.
He also talked about opening up the gender/race restricted programs to everyone. Assuming such programs exist (and nobody has said they don't), Google currently doesn't even have "separate but equal", but simply "separate".
I'm upset that Google isn't paying me top wage either. I don't work for them, but why should they discriminate against me for that?
When called on their own pay gap, they explained that it was due to gender differences in the types of jobs preferred? Well, that's the gender pay gap in a nutshell.
No, not unless the company is doing something to discourage women from this role. You can't say "I want to be paid the same as a top engineer, but I don't like the sound of that job so I'd like to do something of my choosing instead". Gender pay gap comes down to either barriers or discouragement tom people entering high-paid roles based on gender, or people performing identical roles just as well but with pay differences based on gender
Can we add SI-phobe to those who think micro is closer to pico than nano?
Everything is racist.
When everything is racist, nothing is racist.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.