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Google Hit With Gender Pay Discrimination Lawsuit (axios.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Three female former Google employees have filed a lawsuit against the search giant alleging gender-based pay discrimination, as the Associated Press reported. The former employees, Kelly Ellis, Holly Pease and Kelli Wisuri, all left the company after being put on career paths within the company that they say would pay them less than their male counterparts.
It will be absolutely hilarious to watch Google defend against this in courts. After all, we all got the memo that victim-blaming and perpetuating gender stereotypes goes against Google's core values.
/popcorn
Why don't these chicks just identify as male if they want higher salaries? Problem solved.
Here's the actual source from the Washington Post rather than some blog or whatever the source cited in the summary is.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of grievance mongers.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Just look at them acting all uppity! You are out of the kitchen. Be thankful.
This should be fun. An armchair discussion of whether discrimination is generally fraught, but Slashdot seems to have a real problem with women and women's rights, so this should bring out the anti-feminists, libertarians, and other kooks whose fragile egos and fears of "reverse discrimination" will compel them to share inane stories framed as decisive evidence.
Meanwhile any feminists still using the site will be happy to condemn before anything is proven because that seems to be in vogue.
Finally someone intelligent will mention that while both sides are making mistakes, that doesn't come close to meaning both sides are equally wrong or damaging. They will be modded down.
But perhaps we'll get some fun jokes about Google not being evil or some tired insane shit like "Why don't these chicks just identify as male" that we can read and feel justifiably far superior to.
Google is infamously left-wing. That's the *reason* they're being sued. It sounds counter-intuitive, but it's true. Hear me out.
I work at Google. You'll find no real sexism here. What you will find is unending leftist propaganda. There's a weekly microaggression newsletter, even. The constant drumbeat is "You are a victim! You are being oppressed! The world is arrayed against everyone except white men!"
Now, when you put a normal well adjusted person in this environment, he or she starts to believe the propaganda and attribute any adverse circumstances to his or her identity group, not to his or her individual abilities and choices. The non-stop social justice narrative teaches people to see everything as a social justice grievance.
So is it any wonder that some women at Google started to really believe that they were being oppressed and sued? You reap what you sow.
Let's impeach Trump, this is HIS fault!
Once Google denied that their gender gap could possibly be caused by any non-discriminatory factors, all you are left with is discrimination.
This is only the beginning. Class-action suits will soon follow and the statements of top Google executives in response to the Damore memo have painted Google into a corner.
To echo other posters, couldn't happen to a nicer company.
K, Ki, and Holly. One on a laptop, another in her cubicle, in front of her desktop PC, a third on her android cell. Search for coworker with higher salary who is male and each one gets the same answer. "so and so", two cubicles down.
Of course Google ads come up first, one of them advertising "Injured at work? Office discrimination? Call this number now!
free up some more capital.
I, and probably no one outside of Google, know the details of these cases but, can you really hope to succeed in making a class action suit with just three cases?
Also, they "were put in a career path that paid less than those of males?". Maybe they weren't good enough for the higher paying paths.
so, can I sue for pay discrimination due to age as well now?
That old person with YEARS of experience gets paid more than me, the-no-experience-just-out-of-college-grad. how dare they!!!! its age discrimination!! rable rable rable!!!
The former employees, Kelly Ellis, Holly Pease and Kelli Wisuri, all left the company after being put on career paths within the company that they say would pay them less than their male counterparts.
Let me get this straight. They aren't suing because they were being paid less, they're suing because in the future they might've been paid less?
There are so many variables that go into determining comp packages... performance reviews and aggregate internal statistics (e.g., male vs. female comp) are easily discoverable, but they are just two data points among many. For example, I read an article written by a female television news reporter who discussed her first job out of college. She discovered that her male peer with same credentials, role, etc. was making a few thousand dollar more per year. She opted to ask her boss about the discrepancy, and her boss told her that her peer received more "because he asked." I found just that one anecdote so revealing about the myriad factors that go into pay decisions.
Discrimination based on gender is illegal and has been for decades. Ladies, if you are in a situation where the law is being violated and you are the victim, I strongly recommend that you do something about it. PLEASE. The only way we can make this kind of discrimination history is to challenge it everywhere it is found using the tools you have. If you need to sue, do it!
By the way... I'm the old white guy sitting in the cube next to yours, doing the same work as you and I dislike unfairness too. I think that most (though not all) of the people who are like me (white and male) would feel the same way and would support your quest for fair treatment.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
At one time I might have put up a defense for them, but not anymore. Far too much BS coming out of Google these days, and they good and cleanly shot themselves in both their feet with the Memo fiasco.
Name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, She claimed she was sexually harassed two years ago. Obviously, nothing came of it, so she moved on to the next feminist myth.
Note to anyone hiring: Do not hire people who put "Patriarchy Smashing" on their list of skills on LinkedIn. Or this will happen to you!
So many lawsuits, class action on age discrimination, class action on sex discrimination for women, soon a class action on sex discrimination from men fired by James and people he's contacting, multiple lawsuits for interfering with businesses on videos, advertising, search engine ranking in the EU, etc.
It's almost like instead of focusing on business, Googles views are causing all these lawsuits. Crazy how that karma comes back.
Gender or minority-based pay discrimination can be identified by answering just one simple question: are there any jobs in the company or organization that are performed both by people across the relevant demographics being compared with approximately the same level of experience where there is a difference in rate of pay? If yes, then there is discrimination. If not, then you cannot infer that there is any. Even when the jobs that pay the most are dominated by whiite males, for example, you cannot reasonably infer pay discrimination based upon that statistic because there can be a multitude of factors which can impact which people even both to apply for certain types of jobs, and which are entirely outside of the company's ability to control. The only thing you can reasonably expect a company to do is to pay its employees ethically and fairly for the work that they do, and this pay should be reflective only of the demands that the work places upon an individual. Trying to get companies to fix sociological and societal problems that might cause people of mostly one gender to apply only for certain types of positions in the first place cannot reasonably be expected to be a company's responsibility to mitigate. That responsibility falls on all of us... not to give women or minorities more incentive to apply for such jobs, but to not give them any disincentive to do so.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Which of the 74 genders they believe exists on the left coast are underpaid? I thought the concept of two genders was illegal in Caliphornia. Amusing considering Google is a big SJW proponent.
"You look amazing in that bathing suit, like a rock star" is the example of "sexual harassment" obviously, she was wearing a bathing suit and he gave her a compliment.
Maybe he would have been better off if he said nothing (speech control rules 101) since that is what this B.S. is really about. Speech codes, thought control, and censorship.
I'm guessing that Vic Gundotra is not a beautiful man ~ Brad Pitt, lacking the hard muscles, or height of a Rock or Chris Hemsworth, the unabashed charisma of Samuel L Jackson, or the accent of an Antonio Banderas
Suspicions confirmed: http://www.alamy.com/stock-pho...
Vic is a little beta short average guy despite his excellent programming brains
Kelli Wisuri was a Philosophy major until she took a 12-week software engineering program at Hackbright Academy in 2016. That was apparently after she worked at Google. She was a Brand Evangelist and/or Communications Specialist at Google.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelliwiz
Word verification: autocrat
Oh, to be James Damore's attorney right now.
Google either is going to have to effectively admit one of two things:
1. Damore was right, and there are in fact gender differences.
- or -
2. Google discriminated against women and owes a whole lot of women a lot of back pay
If Google goes for #2, expect the next grievance group in line to file suit....
Lefties are biting the lefty hands that feed them. This lawsuit is all but guaranteed to be frivolous but I hope it becomes class action status and then google loses. Then keeps getting sued for equally BS reasons over and over and over again. Fuck google let them burn. May the same thing happen to the rest of silicon valley too.
He may think he likes living in a fair world. But if he woke up tomorrow as a black woman at google he'd be dead by the end of the day.
See white people are blind to the suffering of others because they can't experience suffering. It's written into the nature of the universe.
Sadly nobody knows why this is because of the overabundance of white men in physics... they can't observe the phenomena
Split her time between scotland and cali while working on her reasonably chill philosophy degree.
Gets hired by google
Complains that someone said she looked good in a swimsuit. Quits.
Then takes website maker 101 and complains that google had her doing shitty BA work instead of engineering tasks.
Lol ok. I hope google gets sued hard for making this bed that the rest of the world had to put up with.
In the CS department where I work, we admit generally equal numbers of males and females. They are admitted because they have excellent SAT and GPAs and other assessment scores. By time they are senior, women are in the minority.
Why? Self selection bias. The CS program is tough. The less capable males are trained to be confident so they are more likely to stick around. Females are more self critical, so the less capable ones are more likely to change majors.
The result is that only the top notch females stick around to graduate. When I taught machine learning I got only juniors, seniors, and grad students. My TA and I quickly realized that we didn't need to bother writing answer keys in advance. We'd just take the answers from these three girls (two domestic, one from china), check them for correctness, and pick the best for each one. These gave us exemplary answers that were used to judge what would get maximum points.
Compared to them, the top males produced answers that were no less correct. But these girls especially wrote answers that were more concise, clearer, and easier to evaluate.
Teaching other topics to grads and undergrads, I've generally seen similar patterns. Teaching computer architecture, my best student was a girl in more than one semester, and the girls tended to work harder, with the majority of them in the top half of the class. And once again, I saw similar patterns among engineers while I worked in industry.
I work at a good school but there are lots of higher ranked schools. Google should be careful hiring me into a management, because if a female engineer graduated from a decent school I'm going to assume she is like the ones I have taught first hand and not be prepared to think less unless I see undeniable poor performance that can't be explained by things beyond her control. Most of the males are also amazing I'm sure but my experiences have taught me that less capable ones manage to graduate and get hired, so each one would have to prove himself to me individually before I'm willing to take some of the same risks with their work assignments.
If you want to bitch and moan about how women get an unfair disadvantage or advantage, all of y'all can kiss my ass unless you have had years of experience managing and teaching. Everyone else is by definition speaking from ignorance.
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Google's SJW chickens coming home to roost. Fuckin' aye!
Everyone knows these companies would fall apart without the input of muh lady.
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... they magically ended up in a position where engineers perform better but these three don't have an engineering background.
Just like that lady that was in the news for suing Uber. She went from sales to engineering w/o any studies or experience in between.
That's a huge problem in tech now. You get all these entitled assholes (male & female) with no engineering background ending up in engineering positions and in most cases their performance is just below that of their more skilled peers. How do they end up there? Well, there's the need to fill up quotas or the need for diversity or sometimes they just ask to be transferred to that after noticing those positions pay more.
Rant aside, I'm really glad Google is being sued by the some of the monsters they've created.
I'm upset that Google isn't paying me top wage either. I don't work for them, but why should they discriminate against me for that?
When called on their own pay gap, they explained that it was due to gender differences in the types of jobs preferred? Well, that's the gender pay gap in a nutshell.
No, not unless the company is doing something to discourage women from this role. You can't say "I want to be paid the same as a top engineer, but I don't like the sound of that job so I'd like to do something of my choosing instead". Gender pay gap comes down to either barriers or discouragement tom people entering high-paid roles based on gender, or people performing identical roles just as well but with pay differences based on gender
How well did it go for the last person who criticized google with their name attached?
I've heard of (an apocryphal?) saying from Poland / Eastern Europe during the Cold War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fomOtKxGkr8
I've looked them up on linkedin
Run of the mill at best. I wonder what made them think they've deserved better?
The plaintiffs will win the suit.
Because let me explain how the law works in layman's terms:
If a man makes more than a woman, that is pay discrimination. If a woman earns more than a man, that is because she is more qualified.
Any questions?
Everyone knows women are paid more for the same work. Those who say otherwise are flat out lying.