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iOS 11 Released (theverge.com)
Today, Apple released the final version of iOS 11, its latest mobile operating system. If you have an iPhone or iPad that was released within the last few years, you should be able to download the new update if you navigate to the Settings panel and check for a software update under the General tab. The Verge reports: OS 11, first unveiled in detail back at Apple's WWDC in June, is the same incremental annual refresh we've come to expect from the company, but it hides some impressive complexity under the surface. Not only does it add some neat features to iOS for the first time, like ARKit capabilities for augmented reality and a new Files app, but it also comes with much-needed improvements to Siri; screenshot capture and editing; and the Control Center, which is now more fully featured and customizable. For iPads, iOS 11 is more of an overhaul. The software now better supports multitasking so you can more easily bring two apps into split-screen mode, or even add a third now. The new drag-and-drop features are also much more powerful on iPad, letting you manage stuff in the Files app more intuitively and even letting you drag and drop photos and text from one app to another.
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I use Fing quite a bit for quick network scans. It's super useful because it identifies a large number of devices by brand. It does this by using MAC addresses. I got a notification in the app that with ios11 it would lose this capability as MAC addresses are no longer available for apps to see. The OS doesn't allow it. I remember when you could scan wifi channels with iOS. I like iPhones but I guess they just want normal people using the device, and not professionals who use it as a tool as well. Fing mentioned they will use other methods available to supplement the old method, but to expect it not to be as accurate.
You never had direct access to the file system, so why do you care?
I work on a file system -intensive commercial App and we haven't had to bat an eye lid about these changes, because we use standard APIs and dont linger on deprecated APIs.
I have an iPad2 that is working perfectly well - except the AppStore won't let me upgrade past iOS 9.something.
Thanks Apple!
Your iPad 2 was released 6 years ago. It was supported with bug fixes and upgrades for just about 5 years. That is actually remarkable for any device in this day and age. You say it is working fine, so keep using it until it dies.
Before today I never heard of HEIF photo format which is some sort of spinoff of HEVC video. And apparently HEVC or H265 is the video format. More confusion.
iOS devices were automatically converted to APFS back with iOS 10.3....
Yes more Apple Hater ignorance on parade, like a giant floating turkey with the word STUPID stamped on the forehead.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
"If you have an iPhone or iPad that was released within the last few years, you should be able to download the new update [...]"
Take that Google.
Aaaahhhhhh!
Sorry, it was the first thing I noticed, because I never pay for apps, so nothing broke.
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You need to post options.
But, they are literally sitting on a pile of cash larger than the money the US government just wasted on the US military in budget increases this year.
So ... never.
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I'm sure glad Apple is on top of this.
So what is the problem?
Why would Apple ask you or really anyone about changing the file system?
For the most part for normal users and even most developers these changes are transparent. If you were doing something that complex where the file system mattered chances are you were doing it wrong.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
That is actually remarkable for any device in this day and age.
"Remarkable" if you're an Apple user. Windows 7 is supported for 11 years (at least). Windows XP was supported for 13 years.
I don't respond to AC's.
Thanks Apple!
Apple: You're welcome! Please continue to enjoy your perfectly working 6 year old device.
Type AAPL in to google and click "5 years" or "max" to have an idea of when Apple will be collapsing in to a heap of the past...
Iâ(TM)d love for you to make that argument for Windows Mobile. Thatâ(TM)d be pretty funny.
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
People are still buying it, I don't see anything out there to dethrone them.
Sure they may have good competition from Android, but at this point, either OS isn't different enough to really cause people to do a mass switch over. Unlike the release of the iPhone a decade ago where it offered a brand new device. We are now having competition of screen screens with touchscreens.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
...but you probably don't want to.
When you don't include an SDCARD and put it Live View Photos using a 20-quadrillion pixel camera, you have to do something to optimize space on the device. Hope HEIF and HVEC are good choices.
They are very good choices, HEIF offering much better than JPG compression, and more importantly allowing them to store exotic metadata like depth maps with each photo.
But on top of that, if you enable pushing photos out to iCloud, over time the originals will be removed from your system and kept in the cloud until you need the full size version. That enables you to store a ton of photos/video even on the 64GB devices...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
How do you argue with crazy? The OP was talking about the iPad 2, an electronic device that won't run iOS 11.
You're talking about Windows 7 and XP, which are software operating systems and not electronic devices. No comparison.
Here are two that don't help you at all:
-The majority of Android devices are running version 4.4 or earlier and cannot be updated, nor will they by the carriers.
-Microsoft released devices to run Windows RT, an OS released in 2011 that hasn't been updated since 2015. The devices are junk and so is the operating system.
Hard for you to eat crow with egg on your face.
How does it perform in older iPhones, like the 6 for instance? It seems Apple devs focus on newer devices, so I'd wait a bit before installing 11 on my 6.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Not sure if this is a typical Apple 'progressive' feature or a byproduct of bugs but sit long enough at a location with public wifi and listen to the people who upgraded having a powwow trying to figure out how they can connect after upgrading to IOS 11.
Users reported issues during the dev builds earlier in the summer but it seems they've rolled out these 'features' (bugs) regardless and piles of people can't connect to public wifi, especially if it doesn't have a password. There's an auto-join function to override whatever the feature is supposed to represent but it's not working.
Desktop OSs and Phone OSs are not the same.
Why the fuck am I losing about an inch of screen real estate for Apple to tell my I'm looking at my mailboxes? Or that I'm in my Inbox?
Who designed this shit?
I'm not sure the new headers, like "Inbox" and other top level descriptions looks right. Odd design choice with a big ugly text string at the top of the page. Surely they could have made it more aesthetically pleasing.
Complete waste of screen real estate with those headers.
The designers should be shot.
I hadn't looked at it in a while and thought that was the new image format and the other was the container. Oops! Regardless, the point stands that they have a new format that has a much better compression than JPEG, and the container (as I also noted) lets them hold lots of other stuff alongside.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
And when Apple is in deep trouble, when will Steve Jobs return to fix the mess like in 1997 as shown in this old MacWorld video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ... Oh right, he's dead. :(
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The iPad 2 has a 32-bit processor. iOS 11 is 64-bit only.
If you can find a way to make a 64-bit OS work on a 32-bit device, please be my guest.
The operators now own all the tracking... this is not about privacy its about control
Network/Carriers simply inject cookies for advertising if they own media assets
(https://www.accessnow.org/verizon-fined-1-35-million-use-supercookies/)
The real problem is that Mobile network Operators can decrypt the streams via the MITM after all they own the Certificate authorities and can sign on the fly (its so bad that even advertisers had to ban some from their browsers)
EV certificates are not the answer IMHO :
https://0.me.uk/ev-phishing/
we could move to a situation where we explicitly publish our certificates in DNS such as DANE then ALSO use Certificate Authorities we as users opt into
heck you could even publish the certificates on a blockchain or a P2P system to supplement DANE anything has got to be better than the current situation
https://mitm.watch/
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John Jones
Well yes that can be an issue, so here is an idea, if you want 6-7 yeats off sw updayes, buy your iOS device at releade ore during the firce year on sale, for the rest of the cycle it’s a trade off, lover price vs shorter sw support, the choice us yours. Btw imho the iphone X has a rediculess price imho,I will not pe geting it, as due to several eyesight issues even the somewhat larger screen is still to smsll to replace my ipad for longer oeriods of time
"Remarkable" if you're an Apple user. Windows 7 is supported for 11 years (at least). Windows XP was supported for 13 years.
Shame neither of them worked on an ultra low-power tablet device during a period where technical innovation was extreme.
Speaking of supported. My windows 3.11 machine utterly failed to upgrade to Windows 95 and there was only 3 years between releases.
How many phones run Windows 7? My partner had a Nokia Lumina 1020 that came with Windows Phone 8 in 2013. It got an upgrade to Windows Phone 8.1 some time in 2014. It hasn't had security updates for well over a year. I think it got somewhere between 2 and 3 years of security updates, for a fairly high-end Windows Phone device.
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It's wrong on so many levels, simply unbelievable. Hideous, 'flat' icons that look like absolute rubbish, all the same colour background (on some of the screens I saw), randomly swiping in different directions reveals other screens underneath. How is anybody supposed to know any of this without being shown it? This is just getting beyond a joke. Apple are making their user interface worse and worse with every new OS release.
I just wish the UI designers would wise up to this fact.
That's okay. As per previous stories on Slashdot, Apple has argued in court that their devices are only built to last a year anyway.
They have literally said that, in a court of law.
Yet people still buy them.
A pad is not a computer.
If you want to compare apples with egs, then compare Windows X with Mac OS X or macOS.
Then again, there is usually no urgent need in the Apple world too upgrade to the next OS version. I deliberatly run my 17" Mac Book Pro on 10.6.x IMHO the best OS X.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Fuck this iOS...
So what is the problem?
What's usually the problem when you want to fuck something but you can't and as a result you get grumpy? Maybe iOS told him it wasn't in the mood because it had a headache or ... maybe .... maybe, he just rand out of Viagra?
If you run it inhouose as appliance ... what exactly is insecure then? ... but not important, as I'm likely now less than one promille of the iPad traffic :)
What security flaws does 7.1.2 have? I'm not aware of any
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You've got it the wrong way around. You have to think about how long the hardware is supported, and consider newer versions of the operating system as patches to the original. From this perspective, the the mid 2007 MacBook Pros and early 2009 MacBooks are still receiving security patches via OS X 10.11 El Capitan. I'm still using one of these ten year old MacBook Pros at home, and it's going great, and the OS its running is still supported by Apple.
The old interface, font and graphics were fine. They keep following this stupid flat graphics fad horseshit. Fuck all these designers
If you run it inhouose as appliance ... what exactly is insecure then?
Does it connect to the WiFi? If so, the vulnerability in the WiFi firmware that allows an attacker to run arbitrary privileged code probably matters. Do you use the web browser? If so, there are several known Safari vulnerabilities that could be exploited if you look at any pages other than ones that you control. Do you allow anything (including WebGL) to access a GPU context? If so, you might care about the (several) memory management vulnerabilities in the kernel's part of the graphics stack that allow privilege escalation (and therefore sandbox escape).
If it's only running trusted software on a trusted network with trusted users, then it's probably fine. Otherwise... take a look at the security vulnerabilities that Apple publishes with each security update and ask yourself how many of those you'd be happy to leave unpatched.
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I bought the new iPad Pro 10â a while ago and just installed ios11. It is a great improvement - now it is finally easy to drag and drop between apps. For lighter computer users it may be an acceptable single computer.
So what is the frustration - I didnâ(TM)t expect that I had such a large number of 32 bit apps that donâ(TM)t work anymore. Hope that enough of them will still be upgraded.
ow is this comment modded up as insightful? This is an apple's and oranges comparison.
We are talking about phone/pad OSs. You are lucky to get 2 years of updates for a phone. And the PC tablets are lucky to still be running in 2 years.
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Stop making pertinent comparisons! /s
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I don't argue that phones have crappy support lifetimes, but I contest the assertion that Apple is particularly bad at this. They're probably the least bad of the bunch in terms of first-party support, though that's not a very high bar.
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You do realize that Windows is not a device, right? You're making an apples-to-oranges comparison by conflating the OS for the device running it.
The question you need to be asking is how long a typical PC purchased in 2001 at the time of XP's launch was supported with the latest version of Windows. Given that we were seeing rather significant performance gains in CPUs around the turn of the millennium, old hardware quickly became obsolete back then. On the flip side of that, Vista was a resource hog compared to XP, so it left a lot of XP-capable hardware in the dust when it launched just 6 years later in 2007.
Likewise, we're seeing similar performance gains in the mobile industry at the moment, with year-over-year improvements in performance of 30-50% not being uncommon, and we're also seeing major jumps in the demands being placed on the hardware by the OSes and apps. As such, just 6 years later, we're leaving old hardware in the dust. Which, again, is no different than it was with PCs.
That said, you are correct that there is a difference, and I don't want to be dismissive of that. Whereas an XP machine that had been left in the dust by Vista could continue to limp along with an additional 7 years of XP support, an iOS device would have to limp along without that support. As you were getting at, Apple has never fared well compared to Microsoft when it comes to the lifespan of their non-mobile product support. Even so, Apple does fare remarkably well compared to its competitors in the mobile space, including Microsoft, in that 6 years is an unprecedented support cycle when placed against any Android devices on the market.
And all that wont happen if you only use it for inhouse appliances.
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As I said, if it's not using WiFi (the WiFi vulnerability can be exploited by anyone in broadcast range, even if they're not on the same network), and if it's not ever connected to a network with untrusted devices (some of the network stack vulnerabilities can be exploited by anyone who can send packets on your network), then you're probably fine. As long as your in-house appliance is on a trusted network with no external access and no data coming in from outside, then you're fine.
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I just wish the UI designers would wise up to this fact.
Oh, SNAP! I'd +10 you if I could.
They told me I need 8MB of RAM to upgrade my Windows 3.11 machine to Windows 95. I got it to go with only 4MB. Lucky I guess.
Android devices are cheap enough that's not really a big deal. For the prices Apple charges, you better be getting 10 years of updates.
Oh, just wave away any facts you don't like. There are plenty of several hundred dollar Android devices that are not getting updates after just a couple of years. That is a big deal to my wallet. I started out as an Android user. Samsung dropped support for my phone at about 1.5 years. You can bet I didn't replace it with another Android.
Lucky I guess.
Or maybe not. After all we all know ($VERSION_OF_WINDOWS_BEING_TALKED_ABOUT - 1) was the last truly usable one. :-)