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Equifax CEO Richard Smith Who Oversaw Breach To Collect $90 Million (fortune.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: The CEO of Equifax is retiring from the credit reporting bureau with a pay day worth as much as $90 million -- or roughly 63 cents for every customer whose data was potentially exposed in its recent security breach. Richard Smith, 57, is the third Equifax executive to retire under pressure following the company's massive data breach revealed earlier this month, putting the personal information of as many as 143 million people at risk. Equifax said Tuesday that as a condition of Smith's retirement, he "irrevocably" forfeits any right to a bonus in 2017, an amount that under normal circumstances would have totaled more than $3 million -- the bonus he received in 2016 -- according to the company's retirement policy. But the CEO is still set to collect about $72 million this year alone (including nine months' worth of his $1,450,000 salary), plus another $17.9 million over the next few years. That's when the rest of Smith's stock compensation hits a few important milestones or "vests," allowing Smith to essentially put it in his bank account. Altogether, it adds up to a total potential paycheck of more than $90.1 million, according to Fortune's calculations based on Equifax securities filings.

170 comments

  1. Still a kick on the bum by Phoeniyx · · Score: 1

    He would have cleared probably over $200K if he retired normally. Now he is in the poor house with only $90 million.

    1. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine if someone get his details, pretends to be him and steals it all. While that would be very very naughty I fear I might laugh a little bit.

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    2. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is exactly why these breaches occur and will continue to occur. When there is no penalty for incompetence and the worst that can happen to you is that you get to "retire" with a huge payout, then there is zero incentive to actually run your business properly.

    3. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez Luuezz if his car-brakes failed on a sharp curve ... what joy can be the sound of metal ripping ...

    4. Re:Still a kick on the bum by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2, Informative

      The latest Red Scare is just a big nothing burger.

      It's ironic that posts about Russian hacking are being done by a bot. This is the third identical post I have seen here today. So rather than being a "nothing burger" these posts indicate that the very interference they are trying to play down is in fact still ongoing.

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    5. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God dam bots!

    6. Re:Still a kick on the bum by MitchDev · · Score: 2

      Laugh a little bit? More like offer praise to the perp.

      These guys belong in jail and all their ill-gotten gains taken from them

    7. Re:Still a kick on the bum by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Man, after reading the retirement deals these guys got.....I have GOT to work on my contract negotiating skills and try to get better terms for 'my' retirement.

      I wonder who their advisers are....? Anyone got a number?

      ;)

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    8. Re:Still a kick on the bum by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there will be consequences for someone. Probably for the poor developer who wanted to update the buggy Struts module, but wasn't told not to by upper management because it would delay some new marketing roll out.

    9. Re: Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. The most talented person in their field could never approach half the compensation and perks these executives get by default.

    10. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about Jail for life?! (without parole)
      He will however, live a cushy life forever and be rolling in the dollars,
      and no message will ever be sent by our toothless and gutless 'regulators'...

    11. Re:Still a kick on the bum by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Retractions don't matter. People read the headlines. Zealot propagandists cite the headlines.

    12. Re:Still a kick on the bum by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of an assassin team with glass or ceramic knives.

      No metal ripping required.

    13. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, after reading the retirement deals these guys got.....I have GOT to work on my contract negotiating skills and try to get better terms for 'my' retirement.

      I wonder who their advisers are....? Anyone got a number?

      ;)

      Anderson Consulting and Enron...

    14. Re: Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They probably use Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe

    15. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Let's say this guy only gets to keep about $54,000,000 and invests it at a standard rate. That leaves him with only about $73,000 per week to live on for the rest of his life and then he'll only have $54,000,000+whatever-he-already-has-saved/invested to leave his poor children.

      Truly an unfortunate life. :(

    16. Re:Still a kick on the bum by kilfarsnar · · Score: 0

      Hey bud, go on and lick my balls. It started as a response, and when it was downmodded, it became a submission. Beau rejected it because, well, because it didn't fit his fake news narrative, and it didn't fit what he is being paid to do by the vested interests that own BIZX, LLC.

      Okay, and? You then just spam it all over the board? What does that accomplish?

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    17. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They basically fired him, but they can't violate the terms of any contracts they signed with him. Even if there was a clause that allowed them to withhold any part of the $90M it would almost certainly lead to a long and expensive lawsuit and more potentially bad press if other issues came out in court. It sounds like a lot of money, but with $3B+ of revenue per year the board is more likely to just pay out to put this behind them.

    18. Re:Still a kick on the bum by kilfarsnar · · Score: 0

      The latest Red Scare is just a big nothing burger.

      It's ironic that posts about Russian hacking are being done by a bot. This is the third identical post I have seen here today. So rather than being a "nothing burger" these posts indicate that the very interference they are trying to play down is in fact still ongoing.

      Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

      Who ties your shoes for you?

      PS - "The 1980s called. They want their foreign policy back." So, was Mitt Romney right and Obama a foolish dupe? Take you pick - either "OMFG TEH RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!! RUSSIANS!!!!" is a lie being foisted off to undermine President Trump (gawd I love putting that in responses to those like you!), or Obama was literally a foolish dupe with his "Russian reset". Because if the Russians are as bad as you're now wont to believe, Obama was a FOOL. Literally. So, which one is it?

      LOL, dude... You have no idea who I am and what I think. Trust me, no idea. You have no concept of how deep the rabbit hole goes, and wouldn't believe me if I tried to explain it to you. Few things are as they seem, and the reasons things happen are not what you likely think they are.

      If you think it's a choice between the Russian interference story being false and Obama being played by the Russians, you don't know how this game is played. You don't even know what the game is. You only know what they want you to know, unless you are prepared to throw your worldview out the window and step out of whatever paradigm you have chosen as comfortable. Who are "they", you may ask? Well, that's kind of the point isn't it?

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    19. Re:Still a kick on the bum by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why these breaches occur and will continue to occur. When there is no penalty for incompetence and the worst that can happen to you is that you get to "retire" with a huge payout, then there is zero incentive to actually run your business properly.

      Exactly. Perhaps if allow each victim to hit him exactly once, with no weapons allowed. Given 90 million people he won't last. Better yet, maybe we keep finding upper managers until all 90 million have had their chance.

    20. Re: Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are going to have to learn the hard way what Mardu Gras was about.

      Hint: it didn't start out as a party.

    21. Re: Still a kick on the bum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but wasn't told not to by upper management

      Wasn't/not? So he did it...?

    22. Re:Still a kick on the bum by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Perhaps if allow each victim to hit him exactly once, with no weapons allowed. Given 90 million people he won't last. Better yet, maybe we keep finding upper managers until all 90 million have had their chance.

      Well, if you start the line with people like Dwayne Johnson....

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  2. Do you want a civil war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because that's how you get a civil war.

    1. Re:Do you want a civil war? by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      No, civil wars generally involve balanced sides in conflict.

      This is more just a matter of sloughing off some scum up at the top.

      This guy isn't finished yet, there are bound to be continued inquiries. 90M can buy a lot of lawyers, but lawyers can only go so far.

    2. Re: Do you want a civil war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the reason we aren't up in arms about this is because the scales are uneven? I don't understand why credit ever became a thing. Why would someone pay money to protect and arbitrary number that our entire society bases someone's value off of? This whole industry should be dissolved.

    3. Re: Do you want a civil war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you stop checking peoples credit, my bank wont. Guess whose bank goes under and whose make more profit..
      If you haven't the faintest idea how credit, of even business works, i suggest not telling everyone how ill informed you are by telling people.

  3. Stock recovering by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The stock is recovering nicely. This would probably be a good time to invest as it is selling at about a 40% discount.

    1. Re:Stock recovering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money for nothing has a price. It is a human cost.

    2. Re:Stock recovering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... but they don't care.

    3. Re:Stock recovering by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Yeah well human suffering and/or death aren't accounted into the stock price, so GET DEM MONIEZ! Buy low, sell high! Use it to buy perfumes to cover up the stench of human corpses if they start to pile up! Yay capitalism!

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    4. Re:Stock recovering by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You can take the money and donate it to the charity of your choice, or get a personality transplant.

  4. comeuppance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hm. Could someone post his social security # and personal information for us all to see... If only, you know, there were some way that such info had been, how do you call it.. hacked somewhere?

    1. Re:comeuppance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, he already supervised the posting of his personal information along with everybody else's.

      It is amazing (not) to me that the board will let this happen.
      If his contract gives him this cash regardless of competence, then the board made a poor contract.
      If the contract requires competence for compensation, the the board should not give out the cash.

    2. Re:comeuppance by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, he already supervised the posting of his personal information along with everybody else's.

      It is amazing (not) to me that the board will let this happen. If his contract gives him this cash regardless of competence, then the board made a poor contract. If the contract requires competence for compensation, the the board should not give out the cash.

      Come on, man. You know this works. It's a club where they all pay each other.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  5. Nothing to see here by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    [snark]Business as usual in Americana.[/snark] Not saying his transactions are or aren't overtly suspicious, but significant profits amidst potentially massive losses for so many make one look like a complete douche.

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    1. Re:Nothing to see here by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Oh, but wait! He apologized! Free pass because:

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/o...
      https://arstechnica.com/tech-p... (doesn't have full text or anything, but wsj's paywalls are mildly annoying)

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    2. Re:Nothing to see here by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not saying his transactions are or aren't overtly suspicious, but significant profits amidst potentially massive losses for so many make one look like a complete douche.

      But that's the gag with totally royal douchebags . . . they don't really care if they look like one.

      See Darl McBride for an excellent example. If Microsoft pays you a pile of cash in the Cayman Islands, what do you care what other folks think of you . . . ?

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    3. Re:Nothing to see here by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      [snark]Business as usual in Americana.[/snark] Not saying his transactions are or aren't overtly suspicious, but significant profits amidst potentially massive losses for so many make one look like a complete douche.

      Meh, if I had $90 million I don't think I'd care if people thought I was a douche. My friends at the country club likely wouldn't care if the peasants thought so either. It most certainly is business as usual in Americana.

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    4. Re:Nothing to see here by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Totally agree for $90M anyone can call me whatever names they'd care to. I'll laugh all the way to the bank, than a little more after, and probably a lot from the deck of my paid for mountain top estate; eating the pizza paid for with interest and dividends on the rest of the money.

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    5. Re:Nothing to see here by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Meh, if I had $90 million I don't think I'd care if people thought I was a douche. My friends at the country club likely wouldn't care if the peasants thought so either. It most certainly is business as usual in Americana.

      What if it mean you could never, again, walk safely down a public street, or go to a beach without a team of 'muscle' security following along. Never go to a concert except in antiseptic 'box' seats.

      Yeah, that has some appeal, for awhile.

    6. Re:Nothing to see here by Known+Nutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What if it mean you could never, again, walk safely down a public street, or go to a beach without a team of 'muscle' security following along. Never go to a concert except in antiseptic 'box' seats.

      What are you talking about? It's not like he is Osama Bin Laden for God's sake. He's yet another corporate white dude that probably only 100 people in America could pick out of a photo array right now.

      This is Normal Shit.

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    7. Re:Nothing to see here by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      If you have $90m, you can build your own private streets to walk down, buy your own private beach, and afford private concerts. They have this figured out...at least up to the point where they're hiding from pretty much everyone. Then their plan is to flee to remote properties on New Zealand, plug their ears and yell "LALALA I'M SAFE IN THIS INHABITED LOWISH-INCOME ISLAND!"

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  6. His kind will continue to be evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... because your kind will continue to not really give a shit and just complain to each other without hanging them high.

  7. The perfect example of scam from 0.1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People were yelling 'we are the 99%', but so what?

    We can't do shit about scams cooked up by the ultrarich 0.1%

    Not only they handed over our IDs, our credit info, our address, our property list, and so on to the hackers (by employing a music major overseeing online security, thanks to Political Correctness), they still get to get tens of millions of rewards doing such a criminal thing !

    Go fuck yourself, you motherfucking 0.1% fuckers !

    1. Re:The perfect example of scam from 0.1% by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      People were yelling 'we are the 99%', but so what?

      We can't do shit about scams cooked up by the ultrarich 0.1%

      Not only they handed over our IDs, our credit info, our address, our property list, and so on to the hackers (by employing a music major overseeing online security, thanks to Political Correctness), they still get to get tens of millions of rewards doing such a criminal thing !

      Go fuck yourself, you motherfucking 0.1% fuckers !

      I still grieve over the 99% falling to identity politics. As long as identity politics dominate don't expect any economic justice. Bernie and Bannon are the only two really trying to get the average American to a better spot. As both are largely outside circles of influence that tells you our odds.

    2. Re:The perfect example of scam from 0.1% by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Bernie and Bannon are the only two really trying to get the average American to a better spot.

      Those 2 names should never appear in the same sentence with an "and" between them. You're going to melt brains.

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    3. Re:The perfect example of scam from 0.1% by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Bernie and Bannon are the only two really trying to get the average American to a better spot.

      Those 2 names should never appear in the same sentence with an "and" between them. You're going to melt brains.

      There was actually a lot of overlap, economically speaking, between what the two advocated. Mind you this was before Bernie sided with illegals per Democrat requirements. In his earlier independent days he had pointed out both that trade policies (TPP et al) and immigration were both hurting the middle class. Pretty inline with Bannon in terms of economics. Citations:

      http://www.politico.com/story/...

  8. Demented by dicobalt · · Score: 1

    That's all

  9. Those numbers make you wish for communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, nobody gives me that kind of kickback when I bungle my job enough to get forced into retirement. What kind of punishment is that supposed to be?

    1. Re:Those numbers make you wish for communism by houghi · · Score: 1

      Retirement? Guy probably already has a new job that pays even more.

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  10. A buisness case for CEOs by sinij · · Score: 2

    I don't think there is a business case for CEOs, obviously they don't benefit shareholders in a long term. The CEO position should be eliminated in favor of inside-track promoted Director drawing a salary tied to a fixed multiplier of average worker's salary. No pension or retirement contributions and no stock options.

    We need to get away from bonus and stock manipulation culture that creates direct incentives to CEOs that conflict with long-term shareholder interests.

    1. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by dknj · · Score: 1, Informative

      Bonus and stock manipulation does not cause incentive for CEOs to conflict with shareholder interests. That is literally the opposite of what CEOs are supposed to do. They are supposed to follow the interests of shareholders or face rejection and replacement, and the interest of shareholders is to squeeze out another penny of profit wherever possible. Companies were not always like this, they acted in the best interest of the CEO and chairman of the board. But then a lawsuit set case law which forced companies to act for the good of their shareholders, not the good of mankind.

      So we actually created this culture 40 or 50 years ago. We have also grown our population by 1/3 since then. You think it will be *easy* to unite the country in this change? I have a bridge to sell you...

      -dk

    2. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      You do know what the letters in CEO stand for? Fire the top guy and whoever is next is now the chief executive.

      And the entire point of long term stock options was to get companies thinking long term instead of per quarter profits only. If your stock only vest after 5 years, you have to think 5 years. Of course it was rapidly abused... The creative opportunity thinking people that make the best company leaders are good at finding compensation loopholes.

    3. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      I don't think there is a business case for the 'Celebrity CEO' You look at the relative performance gains some of this big name WSJ presser article guys get compared to lessor known peers at similar corporations not drawing nearly as much salary and I agree it just isnt there.

      There is something to be said for strong leadership and vision. You cant always get that from some inside tracker. Sometimes you only need a caretaker to keep on keeping on if the company is doing well. Sometimes you need a strong outside leader who can make changes. I would generally agree you do not need 300X you average salary type except in the rarest of situations. There are certain industries, like entertainment and currently tech although hopefully this will change; there can be value.

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    4. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think there are two main problems with CEOs in the US.

      1) Imperial CEO myth -- the idea that a single, all-powerful CEO is somehow the sole source of company success (and failure). I don't quite understand how this became true -- it's possible there are some corner cases where a change in CEO resulted in a significant company turnaround (like maybe Jobs at Apple). But for the most part, corporations are huge organizations that rise and fall based on group effort and lots of externalities beyond their control. Too many people are over-invested in the idea that a CEO is singularly responsible for a corporation.

      2) Closed-loop compensation committees. Executive compensation committees wind up being board members of other firms, and many of them are executives at other companies are members of these committees. It's an conflict of interest and they use the Imperial CEO concept to justify ridiculous compensation packages.

    5. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      CEOs certainly do benefit shareholders. It's generally advantageous to have a single person who bears final responsibility for making day to day decisions.

      The problem is, all these companies keep paying their CEOs too much. Research shows that the less you pay your CEO the better they perform.

    6. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      And the entire point of long term stock options was to get companies thinking long term instead of per quarter profits only. If your stock only vest after 5 years, you have to think 5 years.

      But the difference is that if I have RSUs/options that have not yet vested and leave the company, I no longer have that stock. If executives do the same thing, they keep their non-vested shares and often get the vesting accelerated. Maybe if they actually enforced the vesting period on departing execs, having long vesting periods might make a difference in long-term thinking at the top, but since boards are made up of executives from other companies (who also want their boards to give them sweetheart deals) this will never happen. The executive class is still looting companies and shareholders have little power to stop it because "everyone does it" and "we need to attract top talent".

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    7. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The other problem is, if you want a CEO with a proven track record, then you're looking for someone with enough money to retire and never work again (otherwise he/she didn't prove their record). Somehow, you have to convince that person to come back into the workforce and not sit on the beach enjoying life. How do you do that?

      Either pay them a lot, hire a psychopath, or both.

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    8. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by uncqual · · Score: 1

      The CEO position should be eliminated in favor of inside-track promoted Director drawing a salary tied to a fixed multiplier of average worker's salary. No pension or retirement contributions and no stock options.

      That would be fine in an employee owned company where each employee owns a share of the company proportional to their salary -- they, of course, would then be called "shareholders". For a company owned by outsiders (i.e., individuals who put their money, directly or indirectly, at risk by investing in the company), why would they ever want to reward the person making corporate level decisions based on what the average employee was paid? This mythical director would be motivated to subcontract out all low wage jobs, pay millions a year to the few "on payroll" employees that remained even if those employees produced nothing useful. How, exactly, does this align with the shareholder's interests?

      We need to get away from bonus and stock manipulation culture that creates direct incentives to CEOs that conflict with long-term shareholder interests.

      Presumably the same logic applies to individual contributors -- no stock options, no 401(k) matching, and no ESPP program? Developers, for example, are far too willing to produce crap code quickly if they become convinced that it's necessary or helpful to the company's success and hence its stock price.

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    9. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      They are granted institutional power which people over-value. By that standard, CEOs do set the "tone at the top" which washes down through the company almost like an electrical current travels through a complex circuit. If he is a micro-manager who values "yes-men" then the culture of the entire company will become that. CEOs affect and influence the company because enough employees let them.

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    10. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by uncqual · · Score: 1

      The CEO is the most highly leveraged decision maker in the organization. A small error by a janitor in making the most important difficult decision they are tasked with making will probably never be noticed by anyone, let alone result in a company going bankrupt. A small error by a CEO in making the most important difficult decision they are tasked with making may ultimately sink the entire company - costing shareholder billions of dollars and tens or hundreds of thousands of employees their jobs.

      This motivates each company to seek the "best" CEO they can afford and large companies with large revenue streams can afford a lot! The price they pay is secondary. This is analogous to two service jobs one may make decisions about. Consider if you need a haircut and there are two options - a $30 cut which is nothing spectacular and has 5% chance of being at least slightly embarrassing vs. a $300 cut which will be "spectacular" and only has a 0.01% chance of being embarrassing - most people who could afford the $300 haircut only by taking out a second mortgage on their house wouldn't do so -- they would select the $30 cut. However, consider if you need delicate brain surgery and there are two options -- a $3,000 procedure which has a 5% chance of disabling or killing you vs. a $30,000 procedure which has only a 0.01% chance of disabling or killing you - most people who could afford the $30,000 procedure only by taking out a second mortgage on their house would do so and select the $30,000 procedure.

      In terms of "present value" compensation at the time of contracting for that compensation (for example stock options valued at the difference between strike price and market price at the time the CEO's employment contract is signed), in large established companies, the CEO draws a tiny percent of the total compensation pool.

      For example, Walmart CEO's annual compensation in 2017 was about 22 million dollars. This works out to about $10/employee. If employees work half-time on the average, that amounts to about $0.01/hour -- at $10/hour, that's only 0.1% of an employee's wages. As long as they do their job marginally well, there is no decision that a stock clerk is tasked with making that will be likely to cost a single employee their job or change corporate profits even 0.001 cent per share. On the other hand, the CEO is tasked with all decisions (even if they don't make them, they get the blame -- it's doubtful, for example, that Richard Smith made the decision not to apply the patch that caused the data breach, but that decision cost him his job). In the case of Walmart, for example, the decision to enter the home delivery market would have been something the CEO would have had a hand in (at least to the extent of approving doing so) -- deciding to enter that market when it was a bad idea would be costly, the decision not to enter that market when it was a good idea to could be an absolute disaster, long term, and could end up with Walmart being another KMart or Sears.

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    11. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by swb · · Score: 1

      I'm always curious about the so-called shortage of CEOs. It's true there's a lack of CEOs with a proven track record within given business sectors, but that's mostly because there's a lack of CEOs in a given business sector, fewer still that are "successful" because by definition every business that's not #1 in its industry isn't as successful.

      Even corporations don't believe that someone running a hospitality business is the right choice to run a vehicle manufacturer, no matter how successful they were in running a hospitality business.

      I'm honestly surprised there's not more demand for the seasoned careerists just below the CEO level. They're probably wealthy, but not the $90 million golden parachute wealthy and have a strong incentive to make it to the top. There's also a lot more of them numerically, making them cheaper to hire.

      I doubt they are significantly less skilled than the "celebrity" CEOs, either.

    12. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Well, I definitely wasn't making an argument that there is a shortage of CEOs.

      I think there's an analogy to NFL quarterbacks. Because there is competition between companies, you want to have a better CEO than your competition. For example, if K-mart had gotten a better CEO, maybe they would have beaten Walmart (I don't know, but there is definitely that perception).

      So every NFL team wants the best quarterback, but there is only one best. There are a lot of really, really good quarterbacks, in fact every quarterback in the NFL is really really good, but most of them are going to lose. CEOs don't typically lose as badly as this Equifax guy, but I think there is something of the same principle there.

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    13. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by swb · · Score: 1

      What you're describing is the other problem of the Imperial CEO -- investing a single person with life or death, bet-the-firm decision-making authority.

      I think there's two problems here. One, it's kind of a fallacy -- no CEO has the ability to ingest the mass of data that exists to rationally make these decisions. They have armies of support professionals who analyze and summarize data in ways that allow CEOs to make "the decision". So the Imperial CEO isn't really some super-human making amazing rational choices by single-handedly summarizing the entire market.

      The other is that because they make such fantastic money that it makes sense to invest them in that much power to begin with. It only encourages a gambling mindset where giant bets are made which can make or break the company. It discourages rational decision-making, and in light of the knowledge scale problems associated with "bet the company" decisions forces these decisions to be made with inadequate information.

    14. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like what you say. Nice and clear. But...

      "... but that decision cost him his job..."

      Yeah. If I lost my job it would be pretty catastrophic (and my expenses are pretty limited thanks to owning not renting much less leasing). Somehow, I don't see the golden parachute he's getting as being even a slap on the wrist.

      And, if he isn't satisfied with living off his riches (gotta have more monies!!!) he'll just get another CEO gig and live off the fat of the middle class again.

      A CEO losing his job is not even remotely catastrophic and in no way is a hindrance to getting a new one -- even if he was directly responsible. Not even celebrity status top administrators have that problem. Get paid to leave one job for running the company into the ground taking kick backs and have a new gig without missing a paycheck.

    15. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same myth in hollywood: director is responsible for movie

    16. Re:A buisness case for CEOs by uncqual · · Score: 1

      Somehow big and sometimes bold decisions must be made in a company and direction and culture must be set. If not a CEO or other single human, how would this work? Some group of humans must make "life or death, bet-the-firm" decisions -- what is the advantage of that group having a cardinality greater than one? The more people in a group, the less likely it is to make bold decisions -- the larger the group, the more likely decisions will be "safe" (in the short term) watered down compromise decisions which will likely result in the company failing when some other company, managed by a strong leader, makes bolder decisions that pay off in the long term.

      Who, for example, at Tesla should have had the final say on building the Gigafactory? Some group of people? And how would such a group be selected? How would continuity of culture and direction be maintained? How would investors be somewhat confident that the company would have and maintain a consistent approach and culture?

      Who, for example, at Apple should have had the final say on moving into consumer electronics? Some group of people? And how would such a group be selected? How would continuity of culture and direction be maintained? How would investors be somewhat confident that the company would have and maintain a consistent approach and culture?

      It's fine to dislike something that is largely working, but it's incumbent on the skeptic to propose an alternative. What alternative are you proposing and where has it worked reliably over the long term?

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  11. This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a 90% marginal tax rate on income over $1 million a year (note, that's _marginal_, meaning you don't pay it until you hit that threshold, before that you're paying the same as folks in the lower brackets).

    The 1%ers take care of each other and make sure that wealth accumulates at the top. Then that wealth is turned into power so they can get away with stuff like this. Money is power and we've let about 20,000 people have nearly all that power because we're not comfortable with taking it away from them. This stuff is gonna keep happening until we do.

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    1. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we actually need is a 90% net worth tax on all assets over $1M. Nobody needs more than $1M, especially when the tax can be used to fund a universal basic income that would be livable and perpetual until death.

    2. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by pots · · Score: 3, Informative

      We do income taxes rather than net worth, not because it's preferable from an economic or moral perspective, but because taxes on net worth are extremely difficult to implement.

    3. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you have no idea what money is worth. $1M isn't very much. I'm thoroughly middle class and in my mid 30s and worth nearly $1M. Simply owning a home gets me half way there. Toss in a retirement account and I'm basically there already. And with a $400K house (not large nor particularly nice in my area), $600K isn't much to retire on. Especially if you'd like to have a bit more to live on in retirement than a UBI.

    4. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would immediately move out of the country, were that tax implemented. My net worth is about $1M right now, and if the US decided they were going to take 90% of everything I make from here on out ... well, later, gator.

    5. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would immediately move out of the country, were that tax implemented. My net worth is about $1M right now, and if the US decided they were going to take 90% of everything I make from here on out ... well, later, gator.

      you don't have $1M, you can't even read.

    6. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Money is power and we've let about 20,000 people have nearly all that power because we're not comfortable with taking it away from them. This stuff is gonna keep happening until we do.

      We could separate money and power though. 2 term limits for EVERY POLITICAL office. Candidates should be DRAFTED, except for an incumbent who is seeking a second term, rather than self selected group of office seekers.

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    7. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by alongley · · Score: 2

      Starting in 1940 (it was lower before 1940) the top marginal tax rate was 81%, and it stayed high, as high as 92%, through 1980 at 70%, quickly dropped to 50% in 1982, and has been low since then. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org... Note this doesn't say what income the rate was calculated against ($1M? $500K?). My understanding is that in the late '70s and early '80s there was a shift in policy favoring keeping wealth from the evil government that was just going to spend it on stuff you didn't care about.

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    8. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why ? because an asshole gets to go home with 90 million he doesn't deserve ?

      What if other people actually do deserve that money they worked and put their finances and personal life at risk for ? Do we take their money too ?

    9. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just like everyone that moved to Canada after Obama got elected. And the mass exodus that happened after Trump was elected. Also all those companies that moved completely overseas and sold off all their U.S. assets.

      Except, none of this stuff happens. People talk and threaten, because talk is cheap. Nobody actually does it because it doesn't make fiscal sense once you get past the kneejerk reaction and study all the variables.

    10. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would immediately move out of the country, were that tax implemented. My net worth is about $1M right now, and if the US decided they were going to take 90% of everything I make from here on out ... well, later, gator.

      you don't have $1M, you can't even read.

      He started out with $10m

    11. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by richardellisjr · · Score: 1

      You would have to move out of the country to a country with no extradition since that's tax evasion. Also the list of countries that won't extradite to the US is very small and contains few are places you'd probably want to live, you might end up back in the US, paying the tax and spending some time in jail. Honestly I'm not sure how diligently the government goes after tax evaders, but 900k might be enough to make them.

    12. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly why voters don't have any actual power.

      Most voters are poor, and feel totally justified in forcibly taking money away from the rich, for no reason other than "they have more than me." If we let the import decisions be made by this clueless demographic, the economy would completely collapse overnight.

      If it was simple and easy to create an economy where everybody had enough and things were fairly distributed in a way that was sustainable in the long-term.....it would have been done by now.

    13. Re: This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could've inherited the money.

    14. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you bother to actually research those tax rates and rather than looking at "tax rates" and instead look up "effective tax rates", you find out that though the top tax rate was at 92%, nobody paid anything anywhere near that. The effective rates were pretty close to what they set the top rate to in the 80s.

      When you research something, try to remove your political biases to get a more accurate view. I say this because you said "policy shift favoring keeping wealth away from the evil government" assuming you use "evil government" as a sarcastic statement. Basically, they closed the loopholes that people were using to avoid taxes, and set the max bracket at roughly what the highest effective rate was before closing the loopholes. It really didn't effect the amount of tax collected much.

    15. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      All you would have to do is renounce your US citizenship.

    16. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a perpetual UBI you won't need your own retirement income. And, nobody deserves to be living in a $500K home while there are still homeless people living under bridges.

    17. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Known+Nutter · · Score: 2

      Just look at some of this bullshit:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    18. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, self righteous communist.
      You condemn others as selfish or greedy yet you demand that their money be taken away and distributed to "others"... which just so happens to include you.

    19. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by erapert · · Score: 1

      I don't remember voting for you to be the One True Judge of how much money anyone needs or should ever have.

    20. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1, Troll

      ...and we need to charge everybody a $10,000 tax every time they buy a new car worth more than $5,000. After all, nobody needs a car that is more reliable than the junker I drove back in college and I sold for $800 when I was done, right? Of course, there would not be any unintended consequences to this radical tax policy, right? Everyone would gladly pay it and our streets would not start to look like Cuba where 80% of the cars are rusted junkers built 50 years ago. Right?

    21. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have lived in two $500k houses. First one was a 4-bed, 2 bath two-story affair on I think a half acre. Second was a three bed 2 bath single story on a quarter or 1/6 acre. Both manufactured in the 70's. The second was actually built on top of a spring and after a bit of rain it flooded half the house one day. These were not especially large, fancy or well-built homes; they were simply in areas where empty lots were very expensive.

      Let's revise your statement a little bit. Right now you're saying, "Nobody deserves to be living in a $500K home while there are still homeless people living under bridges."
       
      Using the same logic, we can say, "No homeless people deserve to live in tents while there are still homeless people without tents living under bridges." Do you see the error in your argument now?
       
      Have you ever actually tried to shelter a homeless person? They are typically homeless because they have serious mental problems. Even after you bathe them and feed them, they are not good room mates.

    22. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by sjames · · Score: 1

      You mean someone who did a meaningful thing like find the cure for a disease that has plagued mankind for all of written history? They never end up with that kind of cash.

    23. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We would be going back to 1940-1970 tax policy, you remember, the time and place in all of history that had the greatest economic and technological progress.

      The unintended consequences might be that we get permanent colonies off world, them expected lifespan of citizens increases 25% and technologies we can't even dream of will be commonplace new product releases every year.

      Doesn't sound so bad.

    24. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > We could separate money and power though. 2 term limits for EVERY POLITICAL office.

      So if they wanted to feather their nest they'd have to do it much more intensively to get it done in such a short time?

    25. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you would have to do is renounce your US citizenship.

      And then pay your taxes due, since that is part of renouncing citizenship.

    26. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      a 90% marginal tax rate on income over $1 million a year (note, that's _marginal_, meaning you don't pay it until you hit that threshold, before that you're paying the same as folks in the lower brackets).

      That's one for you, nineteen for me ... TAXMAN ...

    27. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 92% rate was limited to an effective rate of 88%, but that's still a lot higher than the rate of 70% (1980) dropping to 28% (1988). The floor dropped 10 fold nominally in that period too, but went back up in 1994, and the rate went up too (effectively a tier was inserted).

      Really, though, you need to look at the effective tax rate for all federal taxes and credits paid by various percentiles of the population to make sense of it.

    28. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to do that at an an embassy and prove you are a citizen of another country. If you don't have proof, the State Dept won't except your renunciation. However, the IRS will levy an exit tax if you have significant income ($160k), net worth ($2M), or have not certified to the IRS that you paid all your tax obligations for the prior 5 years.

      The exit tax is net unrealized gain in the individual's property as if the property had been sold for its fair market value on the day before the expatriation date. Failure to pay this tax will lead the IRS to freeze all your US based assets. Also, you will not be allowed entry to US until the tax is paid.

      Finally, if you have outstanding tax debts or subject to future taxation, there are many deductions and credits only available to citizens. Once you renounce, those benefits disappear. A good example is the estate tax which lets you shield $5.5M but only $60K if you are a non-citizen.

    29. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by rycamor · · Score: 1

      You really think that would change anything? Hey, let's take Mr. Evil Corporate Guy's money and give it to the government! Who do you think runs the government? Who do you think Equifax is? It's essentially a wing of the government already, and it was intended that way from the start.

      Ask yourself why an Equifax should have such a say in the average American's life? Why do we live in a society where 99% of the people are in debt their whole lives?

    30. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

      This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor a 90% marginal tax rate on income over $1 million a year (note, that's _marginal_, meaning you don't pay it until you hit that threshold, before that you're paying the same as folks in the lower brackets).

      So under that logic you also advocate punishing success for the rest of the CEOs who are ethical and who create the jobs that supply the government revenue rolls. I don't see that as a solution.

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    31. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Straw man much? Christ, you are a fucking drama queen.

    32. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I take a life disability now I need about 3M to last until I die.

    33. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way is that punishing success? You're only 100x richer than the others instead of 1000x. Yep I'm sure everyone will just give up at that point. Whats the point of only owning 3 yachts..
      Great you just moved out of the way for someone hungrier who is much more likely to be successful. We found the success by getting the deadbeats to move along out the way.

    34. Re:This ladies and gentlemen is why I favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My grandpa found all the oil. He got paid a salary, said eh, it's a job.

  12. We're clearly doing the wrong thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Crime and corruption pays and it seems to be getting easier to get away with it too!

  13. Look at it this way... by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's cheaper than keeping him.

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    1. Re:Look at it this way... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 2

      I'd like to let the equifax board know - that I'd be more than willing to fuckup their company for 1/100th the amount this guy is making.

  14. I wish golden parachutes.. by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    ..would behave like an actual golden parachute. Some landing that'd be if they still took it anyway.

    Whatever happened to Captains going down with their ship?

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    1. Re:I wish golden parachutes.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's no longer their ship. In fact, in today's corporate world, there's a constant battle between managers and shareholders... managers are almost always not doing what's in the best interests of shareholders---that's why many corps have such crazy incentive programs of rewarding huge amounts of stock to managers, that's mostly to make them care about shareholders, and not personal gain. (which translates into managers getting lots of personal gain anyway).

      So... big fail in incentives all over the industry, but eh, some folks are getting quite rich from it.

  15. This should stop it from happening again.... by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

    NOT! Gee, I wonder why companies like this don't take cyber security seriously? If there is a massive breach like this one, do those responsible feel the slightest bit of personal pain from it? No. Just rake in the bucks and let everyone else suffer the collateral damage.

  16. CLAW BACK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Claw back the bonuses for the last several years.
    If the stock tanks, he should not get any benefits!

  17. I'm in the wrong profession by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

    Seems that appearing incompetent and compromising the privacy information for millions at $0.63 a head is the way to go.

    Why didn't I think of this????

    I, wish I could sell snake oil this well.

  18. Nothing to see here. by midifarm · · Score: 1

    There's no income inequality in this country.

  19. Perfect Failure by gillbates · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is what I call a Perfect Failure - an incident, which in spite of being considered a failure by all parties involved, still leaves the party responsible better off than they were before.

    From the perspective of the CEO, the "failure" was purely cosmetic. If only I could collect $90 million when I made a mistake..

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    1. Re:Perfect Failure by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I doubt he's better off. He has $90 million, most of which is probably in the form of Equifax stock (is that $90 million at current stock price, or pre-incident price?).

      Before he had a job that paid him millions per year, like a better payout if he retired with honour, and the guarantee of the golden parachute if he got ousted.

      Poor guy probably lost at least $100 million in all this.

      This isn't an example of someone being better off for royally screwing up. It's a particularly infuriating example of just how out of whack certain parts of civilization are.

    2. Re:Perfect Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only I could collect $90 million when I made a mistake..

      If only I was in a realistic position to collect $90 million when I succeed.

  20. Bad deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have asked me to be the CEO of Equifax. I could have failed that badly for only $80 million.

  21. Imagine your punishment. by IMightB · · Score: 1

    If you only made 50k a year and didn't have a "C" as the first letter of your title.

  22. 2,000,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make it $2,000,000 @ 90% and that'll be the inflation adjusted number from the Eisenhower era tax rates. Don't worry, the $1,000,000 club would be clipped @ about 75 - 80%.

    We also need a Pickety style capital tax. I"d put that threshold at $2,000,000 - that's what a middle class peon needs to really retire comfortably (keeping his lifestyle). Over $2,000,000 - progressive up to 50%?

    And the inheritance tax must stick around.

  23. 90 Millions... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    When you can get a bullet for a few cents and someone to use it for a couple thousands...

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  24. Makes no difference though by tatman · · Score: 1

    While I don't feel he should get this kind of compensation after such a major screwup, it makes no difference to those affected. Distributed among all of those affected, 63 cents will not fix any thing. Even if the $90M was distributed to 1% of those affected, it amounts to $63 and again wouldn't repair the harm done ($90M divided by 1.4M (thats ~1 percent of 143M). And taking away his severance or whatever its called, I highly doubt it will stop the next executive from thinking he/she can get away with it.

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    1. Re:Makes no difference though by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      By that logic, prisons shouldn't exist, because jailing a murderer is not going to bring the victim back. In fact, it would cost taxpayers a whole lot of money to keep the murderer locked away. Might as well let them walk free right? They might even pick up a job and contribute to society.

    2. Re:Makes no difference though by tatman · · Score: 1

      Maybe :)

      But that is not what I was saying.

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  25. 2 birds one stone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporate death penalty would provide a real punishment for the company and prevent all that stock from vesting. Win-win in my book. After all, corporations are people my friend, and if a person harmed 140+ million people they'd be put in prison for life, would they not? And you can't put a company in prison (nationalize it and make it a not for profit business?), so death penalty is the only other real punishment option.

  26. Incentives my a$$ by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Conservatives often say that huge inequality is necessary to motivate people to work hard, grow companies, and create jobs. However, golden parachutes like these do just the opposite. The "punishment" for screwing up is a luxurious quiet retirement.

    1. Re:Incentives my a$$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he gets that kind of money because of the large responsibility he has to bear.

      Right.

      If that's supposed to be responsibility, why does he still get all that money when he messes up while his underlings will have to bear out the consequences of the business taking a hit?

  27. So he gets to keep vesting after leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For any of us pissants making less than a million a year, once we quit, retire, or are terminated, our "vesting" in whatever our stock options are is over and done and we can cash out at our current vested rate. So this ass-hat gets to "retire," take in around as much as he would have made had he continued to work this year, take in funds for the next several years (though not at the rate he would have if he had stayed, poor thing) AND continues to vest his stock options?

    I need to find me a company to run that I can use to fuck some shit up and cash out on top. Good lord.

  28. hurry sell your stock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all i know is the week before the breach, my bank accounts were tampered with and locked. 4 different banks???? they will file for bankruptcy soon!

  29. FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Come on, man. You know this works. It's a club where they all pay each other with someone else's money.

    1. Re:FTFY by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Come on, man. You know this works. It's a club where they all pay each other with someone else's money.

      Heh, should have been you know how this works. But yes, it's always better with other people's money.

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    2. Re:FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, look at that... they all voted to give themselves pay raises again!

  30. Poor Guy by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    How is he going to provide for his family now that no one will want to hire him again?

  31. So, Soviet style by HBI · · Score: 1

    That did great things for their economy and productivity.

    The Soviet people loved their economy so much, they overthrew their government.

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    1. Re:So, Soviet style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, we haven't seen our current model of capitalism to the end. It is constantly changing and we have survivorship bias. The capitalism of 40 years ago might have been better but it died out for other reasons leaving us thinking ours is 'better'.

      We could still have a soviet socialist style fall once this model of dirty-capitalism runs its course.

  32. Stock Options are not Pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am so sick of people saying "He is gettig paid..." He has to buy stock, albeit at a discount. No one is giving him money except other investors. The company will only experience unrealized gains, not be out of pocket anything.

    1. Re:Stock Options are not Pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole thing is stupid. "Oh no, he's getting paid his salary for the time he worked!" no shit, you'd be pissed if you were run out of your work place for malfeasance on your part and the company just decided they weren't actually going to pay you for any of your work in the last year Or if they tried to just confiscate all the stock you already own in the company. And the article even says the board is reserving the right to retroactively change his dismissal from retired to fired with cause pending the outcome of the investigation. This is click bait bullshit.

  33. its good to be the king by bill.pev · · Score: 1

    I would think there would be a clause putting his equity in jeopardy in the case of malfeasance.
    Oh wait, he probably has the overriding indemnification-for-all-things clause in his agreement as well.
    My mistake.

  34. a radical estate tax by epine · · Score: 1

    Estate taxes are good at collecting what amounts to a wealth tax from actual real estate holdings located in (or near to) any major OECD metropolitan area, or associated fly-over country.

    I'd actually like to see the estate tax scaled by age difference between the goner golden cuff links and the grinning silver spoon.

    For a long time, you could make a real return (without even scamming the IRS) of about 4% per year on equity.

    So scale back the size of the lump bequeathed to each recipient by -4% (or -3% per year, if you're just too libertarian verklempt) based on the age difference. Basically, under this formula this generational stake invested in a mutual fund will maintain constant value forever, if not consumed.

    If the recipients want to live a lavish lifestyle without depleting their unearned nest egg, they they have to flex their aptitude and try to beat default market return (opportunities for the enterprising young man of wealth and any smidgen of competence abound).

    If the age difference is 40 years, the formula is 0.97^40 = 29.6% passed along (using the lower, verklempt rate), with 70% owed to Uncle Sam.

    Now I'm a generous man, and I'd actually allow this entire 70% to be eligible for deferred collection upon demise of the recipient, out of any inheritance passed along (before making this calculation again). And of course there would also be a full exemption at the bottom for estates worth less than $5 million.

    Say, in scenario A, silver spoon inherits $1 billion, with 70% earn marked for collection upon silver spoon leveling up to golden cuff links.

    He invests it at market par, with a 4% real rate of return (after income taxes, inflation, yada yada) and spends (not invests) $200 million on a lavish lifestyle.

    He then dies with a pile worth $2 billion dollars (inflation normalized) of which $700 million is now owed to Uncle Sam on deferred collection, with the remaining $1.3 billion subject to the original formula (since his equity return beat Uncle Sam's taxation rate by 1%, despite squandering $10 million/year on hookers and blow, he still dies in possession of an even larger fortune—inflation normalized).

    Scenario B: Britney inherits $1 billion, with $700 million flagged for deferred collection. She promptly invests in a wild scheme (e.g. Target Canada), shaves her head, has children by two different men, yada yada, before waking up one morning, wiping away the last tear of self pity, and discovering that she is only worth $500 million. Awwww.

    She then proceeds to invest wisely and makes $100 million back again, but her $600 million estate actually owes $700 in deferred collection to Uncle Sam, so it takes $595 million, and calls it settled (Uncle Sam lost $100 million in this debacle, as compared to the first story, as well). Thus, she passes along only her meagre $5 million basic exemption post-demise (a huge loophole in practice) to her many offspring, who must now navigate life with only the silver spoon of their elite childhood (and some token dosh) to help them through it. Awwww.

    Indeed, this whole scheme is almost too brutal to contemplate—is it not?— throwing the rich to the vagaries of free enterprise within but two short generations of what formerly could have been eternal endowment. ("Hush, Marie, the less said in public the better," chides Louis, who is equally forlorn, but stiffer of lip.)

    Footnote:

    Target Canada racked up losses of $2.1 billion in its lifespan, and was widely viewed as a failure, termed a "spectacular failure" by Amanda Lang of CBC News, "an unmitigated disaster" by Maclean's and "a gold standard case study in what retailers should not do when they enter a new market" by the Financial Post.

    1. Re:a radical estate tax by pots · · Score: 1

      This is... a really good idea. I like this. It does allow for one generation to be entirely lazy non-productive members of society, which is not ideal, but only one generation rather than many. So that's a big improvement.

    2. Re:a radical estate tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too easy to game. That 200 million lavish lifestyle I can just pay to my friends and family. Why not just up it to 400, 800 million or whatever. 'Spend" the whole lot, less the 5 million. Then theres nothing left for Uncle Sam at the end, and my kids still keep the 5 mill walking around money as a bonus.

  35. Meanwhile in Vietnam... by rbrander · · Score: 2

    A bank head was just sentenced to death for a fraud involving less money than this guy's payout. "Dozens" of former employees of the bank have received long jail terms.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...

    Now on the one hand, while Vietnam is on one of its periodic anti-corruption sweeps, this is mostly about the guy being a political opponent.

    But, really, it's the very idea of the senior officials of a bank showing up in a criminal court at ALL, receiving jail time at ALL (rather than the bank paying a highly-affordable fine) that's the remarkable sight, here. Western culture can offer no comparable example.

  36. Customers??? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... roughly 63 cents for every customer whose data was potentially exposed in its recent security breach.

    A customer is someone who purchases a commodity or service. The vast majority of those put at risk by Equifax's fuckup were in no way "customers". Unless they were capable of purchasing EVERYTHING using cash, or opting out of mainstream society and living off the grid altogether, they had no true choice in the matter of whether or not their personal data was under Equifax care. Calling them customers implies that they were partly responsible for their misfortune because in having chosen to deal with an irresponsible vendor; the fact is that they are simply victims of a too-powerful company's careless disregard for its responsibilities and obligations.

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    1. Re:Customers??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we aren't the customer we are the product

  37. Can I get a 'HELL, NO!' from y'all? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    There is NO WAY IN HELL this jackass should be allowed to keep that money, and furthermore he should also have the money from the Equifax stock he dumped confiscated. He clearly waited to tell the public about the breach until after he'd arranged for his 'golden parachute', so I say that should qualify as insider trading. There should also be a criminal investigation. Someone (or many someones) should have their heads on a pike for this. It may be DECADES before the full consequences of the breach are known. The level of negligence involved is practically a crime against humanity.

    1. Re:Can I get a 'HELL, NO!' from y'all? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      He clearly waited to tell the public about the breach until after he'd arranged for his 'golden parachute', so I say that should qualify as insider trading.

      Hate to break it to you dude, but just because you believe something doesn't make it true. There's zero evidence of this. Insider trading however would apply on the stock he sold the day before the breach was announced. But golden parachutes are not negotiated at the time of a disaster. They are negotiated long before (i.e. when you're hired) and then re-negotiated as the board asks you to leave.

    2. Re:Can I get a 'HELL, NO!' from y'all? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Hate to tell you dude, but just because you believe something DIDN'T happen, doesn't mean it's NOT true. The son of a bitch needs to have his head cut off and placed on a pole on Wall Street as a warning to not be an incompetent idiot when it comes to the lives of hudreds of millions of people. So STFU, whose side are you on?

    3. Re:Can I get a 'HELL, NO!' from y'all? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Hate to tell you dude, but just because you believe something DIDN'T happen, doesn't mean it's NOT true

      Indeed. That's why we have tests that we apply to these thought experiments. Occam's razor is a good start, as is reading the law you're actually accusing him of breaking despite negotiation of salaries having zero to do with insider trading.

      So STFU, whose side are you on?

      Neither. Notice how I made no comment on the person's character and didn't express any opinion on the situation at hand other than tell you how these contracts are typically negotiated and what would constitute insider trading. If I had to pick a side it would be the one of logic and reason, rather than whatever the hell you call your side.

    4. Re:Can I get a 'HELL, NO!' from y'all? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Yeah sure because people in the finance industry in this country are just so kind and thoughtful and concerned about the average citizen and their well-being, they're never greedy bastards who would steal their grandmothers Social Security checks if they thought it would benefit them. Are you really so blind that you think these people are blameless? Or are you a Trump-supporting Republican and really believe that whatever makes Big Business more money is a good thing? Get real. These people are pieces of crap and need to be punished for their gross negligence. Oh and by the way go read the current news, they're all being investigated for their stock sales, among other things, so I guess I'm not far off at all now am I?

  38. Market solution to this... by Timothy2.0 · · Score: 2

    Since it's likely that $90 mil is linked to the stock price of Equifax, a concerted effort to erode the stock value of the company seems to be in order. Cost the shareholders that supported such a shoddy corporate culture to allow such a breach.

  39. Small minds talk about people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Great minds discuss ideas

  40. Taxes on wealth are by definition unfair by Solandri · · Score: 1
    Wealth is just the accumulation of income (minus expenses). In other words, income minus expenses is the first derivative of wealth.

    Or to put it more intuitively:
    • Your income is quickly your faucet fills a bucket.
    • Your expenses are how quickly the water drains out of a hole at the bottom of the bucket.
    • Your wealth is how much water is in the bucket.

    Add to that:

    • Income taxes are water diverted straight from the faucet (reduces the flowrate of water into the bucket).
    • Sales taxes are a slight enlarging of a hole at the bottom, increasing the flowrate of water out of the bucket by a small percentage.

    The key point here is the income taxes. They're subtracted as the water enters the bucket, before it's turned into wealth. In other words, wealth has already been taxed. If you want to tax rich people, you can accomplish the exact same thing just by raising the income tax rate on rich people (because they control the government).

    On top of this, the amount of water in the bucket depends on three factors - income flowrate, expenses flowrate, and how much time this bucket has been there. A wealth tax based on the amount of wealth is a conflation of all three of these factors, and thus cannot distinguish between them. People who've been alive longer would unfairly have to pay more wealth tax. People who've reduced their expenses because they believe in saving up a nest egg would unfairly have to pay more wealth tax. The wealth tax would be lowest (as a percentage) on people who live paycheck-to-paycheck not because they have to, but because they blow their entire paycheck every month on toys, entertainment, and frivolities. I'll repeat - two people with identical incomes can owe very different wealth taxes - the one who saves will owe more wealth tax than the one who spends their entire paycheck every month.

    A wealth tax basically says if you act financially responsibly and save up money for a rainy day, you will be punished by owing more taxes. It's an unfair and fiscally irresponsible tax, favored only by people who either don't know better, or deliberately wish to increase society's dependence on government safety nets so they can gain more power.

    (Excise taxes, like property taxes, are technically a wealth tax. But they serve as an incentive for people to act fiscally responsibly, not a disincentive. Say someone owns a farm and the surrounding area has become developed into an area of higher economic activity. The increase in his property tax encourages him to find a more economically efficient use of the land than farming, or to sell it to someone else who will. Unless the people have passed a law preventing the property tax from appreciating to reflect increasing value of land. Then the farmer can stick around for decades, using now-valuable land for an economically inefficient activity, driving up costs for all his neighbors.)

    1. Re:Taxes on wealth are by definition unfair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot that the bucket also gets bigger by itself regardless of the tap. Theres another hole in the bucket, this leads to a magic pump that takes out water, makes more water and puts it back into the bucket at a much lower tax rate than the faucet in the top. Once this get big enough, I can turn off the faucet and live of the magic pump. If my bucket gets big enough I can hire accountants to turbo charge the magic pump and not even pay those taxes either.

    2. Re:Taxes on wealth are by definition unfair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... the one who saves will owe more wealth tax ...

      No: With the exception of Malta, saved money is not taxed. You're conflating earnings (revenue) with savings (past wealth).

      Savings can be compounded though, resulting in earned interest which is taxed.

      ... save up money for a rainy day, you will be punished ...

      Bullshit: Then no-one would have money and no-one would try to keep money.

      ... now-valuable land for an economically inefficient ...

      A small farm is a multi-million dollar enterprise: Undoubtedly worth more than your house, which doesn't produce an income. Calling it inefficient is dishonest.

      People move to rivers and arable land and start cultivating. When the population increases, that arable land is converted to dwellings: The agricultural potential of quality soil is lost forever to a concrete jungle. In my humble opinion, a concrete jungle is worth far less than the land under it. We can easily make concrete jungles in the desert (cf. UAE) or the ocean (cf. UAE) but it's difficult to make quality soil whenever it's needed.

    3. Re:Taxes on wealth are by definition unfair by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Solandri, justifications sound pretty slimey, it's why people hate this shit. This apparent and ongoing decadence is exactly what was going on in Nazi Germany before WW2 and there were justifications there too.

      When salaries and wages don't increase for over a decade it's natural for people to start asking why these people get so much more in relation to the sacrifices they are making. That's when people who do this don't get punished for their lack of competence reading the present. They come across as selfish leeches and parasites extracting everything they can for themselves.

      When you make those sorts of justifications they come across as an aspiration.

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    4. Re:Taxes on wealth are by definition unfair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:Taxes on wealth are by definition unfair by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Thank you, that was a very interesting article.

      If someone gets what they worked for everyone is happy, however not so if it is at everyone else's expense.

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  41. What is wrong with criminal charges against him? by emil · · Score: 1

    Do we not have SOX?

    Criminal Penalties.— Whoever— (1) certifies any statement as set forth in subsections (a) and (b) of this section knowing that the periodic report accompanying the statement does not comport with all the requirements set forth in this section shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 10 years

    Did he not sell his shares with insider information? Why is he not under indictment?

  42. You're missing the point by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    It's not wealth anymore. Not at the levels of income we're talking about here. You have a point up to about $250-$300k/yr. One you get over those amounts it's not wealth anymore because it's just plain more than anyone can spend, it's power. It's the ability to make everyone do what you say or they die of starvation and/or from lack of healthcare.

    You tax income over $1 million at 90% to prevent the accumulation of power into the hands of a lucky few. Otherwise your democracy quickly gives way to oligarchy. Now, if that was you're goal in the first place I can't really argue with you.

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    1. Re:You're missing the point by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      The amount of money beyond which the rest is excess is always going to be arbitrary and vary wildly from person to person. Just a couple decades ago I would have viewed my current fiscal situation as allowing a life of luxury. Now I look at my wages and think about how much better off I'd be with a $10k more a year. Meanwhile I read an article once where a couple with an income of around $350k felt they were living pay check to pay check. Of course the things they talked about as being necessities strike me more as luxuries for royalty.

      It is a rare individual indeed that has the capacity to stash away ever larger sums of money when their income increases rather than improving their quality of life. Many people might increase their savings but even those people probably find ways to spend a disproportionate amount rather than save.

      That said I am firmly for progressive income taxes and stiff estate taxes. Our current system coddles and protects you the more wealth you have. I'd very much like to see how a tax system that scaled directly with your income bracket in hundreds if not thousands of steps with a top end of 90% or so would work out. We'd likely have to switch to the IRS figuring out our taxes instead of forcing everyone to file a return, but it appeals to me as having abrupt tax brackets feels janky.

  43. Vesting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But the CEO is still set to collect about $72 million this year alone (including nine months' worth of his $1,450,000 salary), plus another $17.9 million over the next few years. That's when the rest of Smith's stock compensation hits a few important milestones or "vests," allowing Smith to essentially put it in his bank account

    Uhhh....I thought the point of vesting is that if you leave the company before vesting is complete, you lose the unvested amount? So how is it he can leave the company, then let it continue to vest for a few years, and then cash it out?

  44. Justice Denied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only he faced charges in Vietnam.

  45. Yes, I do by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    we had the single greatest growth in middle class incomes in history while the rates were that high. That wasn't a coincidence.

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    1. Re:Yes, I do by rycamor · · Score: 1

      You could easily argue that it was a coincidence. This was also the post-WWII period, when much of Europe's industrial capability had been blasted to smithereens. There was a huge boost in demand and we were the country with the infrastructure in place to handle it.

      Anyway, my point is not about the income tax rate. It's about the laughable idea that it punishes Mr. Big at the top. $90 million is nothing to the real players in and out of government who pull the strings. An absolute joke. And giving the money TO the government is just handing it to many of the same players. And the government has ZERO accountability to make productive use of the money.

      And also, it's about the fact that the debt-based economy is a bigger tax than the income tax, and no one realizes it.

  46. Screw over half of America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And get a 90 million dollar bonus. Living the American dream!

  47. Where I work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Options are cancelled when you quit or are fired. There is no vesting if you are no longer employed. So unfair.

  48. jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    put the fucker in jail.
    after they knife him in front of his kids and slowly watch his guts bleed out on live TV.
    JAIL!!!
    where they can set him on fire while he's still still alive, just to watch him burn and scream.

  49. Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should he behind bars!