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Bold Eagles: Angry Birds Are Ripping $80,000 Drones Out of the Sky (cetusnews.com)

schwit1 found this story in the Wall Street Journal: Daniel Parfitt thought he'd found the perfect drone for a two-day mapping job in a remote patch of the Australian Outback. The roughly $80,000 machine had a wingspan of 7 feet and resembled a stealth bomber. There was just one problem. His machine raised the hackles of one prominent local resident: a wedge-tailed eagle. Swooping down from above, the eagle used its talons to punch a hole in the carbon fiber and Kevlar fuselage of Mr. Parfitt's drone, which lost control and plummeted to the ground... "It ended up being a pile of splinters"...

These highly territorial raptors, which eat kangaroos, have no interest in yielding their apex-predator status to the increasing number of drones flying around the bush. They've even been known to harass the occasional human in a hang glider... Camouflage techniques, like putting fake eyes on the drones, don't appear to be fully effective, and some pilots have even considered arming drones with pepper spray or noise devices to ward off eagles.

One mining survey superintendent said he's now lost 12 different drones to eagle attacks, costing his employer $210,000. Another drone was actually attacked by nine different eagles, and its pilot estimates eagles are now attacking 20% of all drone flights in rural Australia.

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  1. Good. Stop flying drones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nature has decided. No, you can't fucking pepper spray an eagle. Give it up.

  2. Nature bats last by jodido · · Score: 3, Funny

    See subject line

  3. Eagles are top of the food chain predators by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and they know it. They are defending their position as the master of the sky, deadliest flying living creature.

    They are smart and cunning and strong. They use their ability to fly high to develop a ton of momentum and tear apart their prey.

    Pretty hard to defend against them, they won't back down.

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    1. Re:Eagles are top of the food chain predators by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I like to watch them hunt and fight. They're magnificent when they hunt, circling up really high, you can see the feathers off the tip of their wings like fingers feeling the air and when they see their moment they pull their wings in close and fall from the sky like they are pulling every bit of speed they can out of their momentum. I can't really express what it looks like in words adequately and video doesn't really convey the amount of height they strike from or how quickly they descend. You can see how and why jet fighters are designed they way they are.

      They also have a sense of humour. I saw a tree full of parrots all squawking and carrying on, they generally leave the tree all at once in one direction as a group. Well, this eagle wasn't having any of that and flew up to this tree and you could almost hear the parrots squawking HOLY SHIT ITS AN EAGLE and scatter, to which the eagle just kind of tilted and kept going, just reminding them.

      They get harassed by magpies, crows and other birds, to which they barely respond, just a beat or two of their wings that the other birds cannot match in power.

      Once, I saw two of them fighting, way up in the sky. They locked talons and fell, tumbling and rolling over each other closer and closer to the ground. I think the loser is the one breaking from the other first.

      Anyway, they are the wedge tailed eagle moments that stick out in my mind that I could share. I saw one up close on the ground once and was a little surprised at just how big it was, the talons, the beak, standing just over a metre high and as I looked into those calm, unconcerned avian eyes I realised it wasn't threatened by me at all, so I'm not surprised they smash drones.

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    2. Re: Eagles are top of the food chain predators by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      Apparantly you don't know how eagles mate, that wasn't fighting, that was dating.

    3. Re:Eagles are top of the food chain predators by Calydor · · Score: 4, Informative

      What you're describing is cartwheeling. It's a show of trust between them, and is an integral part of courtship.

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    4. Re: Eagles are top of the food chain predators by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      Don't worry about it, it's a quite fascinating thing they do. They weren't fucking, they were just doing the courting thing that all birds do (dancing, calling etc), eagles grab each other by the talons and plumet and let go at the last second, climb back up and do it again and again. When the female is satisfied then they get busy and do the whole parenting thing. It's actually the coolest courting in the animal kingdom IMO.

    5. Re: Eagles are top of the food chain predators by HiThere · · Score: 2

      No. The biggest one probably has ants, cockroaches, or termites at the top. I *think* the bacteria are too fragmented to have a competitor. And I'm judging the size of the food chain by the mass of it's components.

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  4. deadly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do we need further reminders that everything in Australia wants to kill you?

  5. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hope the eagles knock each and every one of these machines out of the sky. I hope it ends up costing these companies millions, and there's not a fucking thing they're going to be able to do about it. Drone operators/owners are some of the most selfish, self-entitled assholes around, and every time one of them loses one of their drones, I cheer. Good riddance.

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  6. I don't get this by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 2

    Aren't birds immune to pepper spray? Wouldn't simply being a drone add a lot of defense? I'd think rotors would break bird bones like twigs or at least hurt really bad.

    1. Re:I don't get this by gravewax · · Score: 4, Informative

      wedge-tailed eagles strike at speed with incredible power as they rely on this to stun/kill, they are also very large birds which can weigh up to around 6kg and while the rotors may do some damage the drone will still be destroyed by the impact. They are also a protected species

    2. Re:I don't get this by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      OP is correct that birds are immune to capsaicin (the chemical in hot peppers which makes them "hot"). Speculation is that pepper plants use the chemical as a way to discourage land mammals from eating their fruits, thus guaranteeing their seeds would be dispersed more widely by birds. Pepper spray isn't going to do squat.

  7. Re:Uh huh... by Desler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then map the area in a way that doesn’t fuck with the wildlife. Otherwise, boo-fucking-hoo that the pissed off eagles are downing your drones. These people deserve nothing but crocodile tears.

  8. That was a case of bad mission planning by Picodon · · Score: 4, Funny

    The machine ... resembled a stealth bomber.

    Tragically, though flying in broad daylight, it was not escorted by a protective formation of fighter drones, making it an easy pick for the latest Talon strike fighters of the austral Aquiline air force.

  9. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Would pepper spray even work on an eagle? Birds can't taste capsaicin; if anything, it's numbing to them.

    It's interesting to see how territorial these birds are. You can find lots of videos on Youtube of them doing things like attacking ultralights and such. I think they're simply going to have to "eagleproof" their drones. Which unfortunately will make them need to be bigger (and more expensive) for a given-sized payload, since a greater chunk of the mass fraction will need to go into structure.

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  10. It's not nice by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Funny

    to fool Mother Nature.

    Hands up if you're old enough to remember that TV commercial!

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  11. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    This is apparently _not_ a quad copter, it's a bunch of fixed wing drones.

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  12. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 2

    I'm most dreadfully embarrassed.

  13. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think they're simply going to have to "eagleproof" their drones. Which unfortunately will make them need to be bigger (and more expensive) for a given-sized payload, since a greater chunk of the mass fraction will need to go into structure.

    Or they could just make drones that don't look like pigs - then the angry birds would stop attacking.

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  14. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by MangoCats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After the double bird strike put Sully in the east river, a shocking number of birds were killed in response.

  15. Typical Australia by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All the wildlife there is out to kill you.

    1. Re:Typical Australia by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2

      Because the American colonies had rebelled & were no longer accepting England's detritus?

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    2. Re:Typical Australia by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      Spend more time around adult Koalas. They aren't the cute things they're portrayed to be.

    3. Re:Typical Australia by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      All the wildlife there is out to kill you.

      I especially like the bit where they tried painting eyes on the drone. Reminds me of this radio talks show host:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      For those unable to see the link allow me to quote:
      "Ahhhhhhh the eyes don't work the eyes don't work, ahhhhhh, get it off, the eyes don't work. Get mum get mum get mum ahhhhhhh."

  16. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

    Best of all, these eagles are listed as endangered and are protected by Australian law. In fact IIRC, the sections of the law that pertain to endangered species impose a "strict liability" standard on actions that injure a member of that species. That means you don't even have to intend to inure one of these eagles. Just being careless can get you serious prison time.

    So pretty much those drone operators have to suck it up.

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  17. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nothing a 10 gauge goose gun can't fix.

    It's a protected species. Hope you like spending time in jail.

  18. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by avandesande · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you are talking about large tracts of land there are plenty of legitimate non-dildastic uses for drones. I doubt someone flying an 80k machine is a drone enthusiast.

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  19. Re:Apex-predator status? by bakes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're talking about Australian Wedge-Tailed Eagles, not the American bald eagle (which is basically a glorified seagull).

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  20. You're going to need a bigger drone. by Subm · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're going to need a bigger drone.

  21. Effective Countermeasure by voxelman · · Score: 2

    One countermeasure to bird attacks is to demonstrate superior flight capability. Of course this requires pre-emptive training of the raptors. A drone can out climb any bird and demonstrating this ability will often serve to prevent aggressive behavior. This is certainly not a cure all but one element of an effective strategy that includes maintaining appropriate situational awareness of one's flight environment of which these birds are a part.

  22. Re: Good. Stop flying drones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    more power to Mother Nature.

    drone ops...tossers and wankers.

  23. Problem solved. by Travco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Problem: Drone flies in a manner the that the Eagles think is either prey or competitor. Solution: Find a flying creature they don't attack - Most likely a vulture(everybody thinks vultures are icky, even other birds) - and imitate it's flight

  24. Re: you are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're not professionals, they can't even out fly an eagle.

  25. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by avandesande · · Score: 2

    when you do it for money you are a professional

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  26. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nothing a 10 gauge goose gun can't fix.

    Go shooting protected birds in Australia, and you'll be lucky if the cops get you before the locals do. Most australians consider poaching somewhere between pedophilia and keeping dead hookers in the basement. When I worked at the department of parks, we'd have to think very hard over what info we'd release on animal abuse prosecutions, becuase people would react so angily that vigilantism was a real possibility.

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  27. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

    I believe only the Tasmanian wedge tailed eagle is listed as endangered.

    The key word is "protected". Injuring or killing protected specieis is what gets you in for a bad time with an angry judge, regardless of whether its endangered, or not. Although its largely an academic distinction. Most non endangered protected species are only a bad summer away from endangered anyway.

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  28. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

    These are mining companies with billions in the bank. These drones are almost nothing in their budget.

    Yep. I remember once installing a video conferencing system worth all up close to a quarter of a million dollars in the early 2000s. I asked the CEO "How do you guys financially justify spending all this money?" to which he replied "kid we got more money than we know what to do with, this is nothing", and he was right, the mining company in particular had ridiculous amounts of capital just lying around in bank accounts or investments a few million to stick crazy expensive video conferencing machines into all their regional HQs was barely pocket change for these people

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  29. Idiots Fly Drones Too Close To Wild Animals by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

    ... should be the headline.

    It's kinda like when a bull kills a matador, all I can think is "Fuck Yeah!"

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  30. Re:Eagles & Drones by Dantoo · · Score: 2

    I remember in the late 70s or early 80s there was a Cessna taken out by an Eagle. The pilot was able to land the plane and said that he saw nothing at all, just bang, blood and feathers. The windscreen exploded and the passenger was knocked unconscious IIRC. The pilot was quite badly injured but managed to land with some difficulty. There was an investigation as to why his mayday calls went unanswered. Amazingly enough the conclusion was that the microphone was made u/s by the massive amount of blood that had poured into it.

    There will be pics and more detail around somewhere. The formal investigation was published.

  31. The human response by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    There's a species that meddles with what we want to do? Why is it allowed to continue existing? Remove it from the ecosystem.

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  32. Ever consider why they're mapping? by go-nix.ca · · Score: 3, Informative

    Worried about the eagles? Mining companies generally do surveys not to enhance a species' habitat but to destroy it. Oh, we're not allowed to harm eagles? NP, we'll just mine the shit out of their territory, and they can sustain themselves by preying on the leftover boulders. Yummy!

  33. Li-Po batteries and sharp talons don't mix. by w0mprat · · Score: 2

    When an Eagle's talon strikes a Lithium Polymer battery it may not end well for the attacking Eagle. Although the impact of the bird alone is not healthy for such batteries, drones are designed with impacts in mind. Puncture wounds not much.

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  34. Eagles and flying machines by samdutton · · Score: 2

    Reminded me of a story my dad wrote back in the 60s: The Wedge-Tailed Eagle.

  35. Re:Good. Stop protecting species. by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

    Stop flying drones around the Australian outback!

  36. Re:Uh huh... by arth1 · · Score: 2

    Light aircraft flying back and forth.

    Noisy, polluting and expensive.

    I'm not so sure about the "expensive" part. The wet rate for a small airplane is in the $100-$170 per hour range. Compared to what the drones cost, and how short they seem to last, I don't think cost saving could be the reason here.
    Being able to hover and descend below safe flight levels to get better pictures might be a factor.

  37. Re:Good. Stop flying drones. by butchersong · · Score: 2

    I don't think at that height that a shotgun will do you much good. What we really need to do is release an animal that can prey on these problematic eagles. We have DNA for the Haast's eagle they had a 10' wing span and could make short work of these. A grant for a few hundred thousand from the mining company could get things started.

  38. Re:who'd have thunk by dcw3 · · Score: 2

    Never thought that birds could be more effective than shotguns...

    Your move, NRA card-holding privacy conscious anti-environmentalists.

    Your move...

    As a NRA card-holding privacy conscious environmentalists, I'm rooting for the eagles.

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