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Mattel's New Baby Monitor Uses AI To Soothe Babies and Lawmakers Aren't Happy About It (washingtonpost.com)

Mattel has a new kid-focused smart hub called Aristotle, which can switch on a night light if it hears a baby crying to soothe the child (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source). The device is also designed to keep changing its activities, even to the point where it can help a preteen with homework, learning about the child along the way. Given the privacy concerns, lawmakers are worried that the always-on device could build an "in-depth profile of children and their family." Jezebel reports: The $299 Aristotle is similar in spirit to the Amazon Echo, only the scope of its features is much broader -- and scarier. Last week, Senator Ed Markey and Representative Joe Barton sent a letter to Mattel CEO Margaret Giorgiadis about their issues with the tablet, which tracks things like kids' eating and sleeping habits when they're young, and adapts to answering their questions about long division and sex or whatever as they grow up. According to nabi, the Mattel brand that developed the device, the Aristotle is meant to "provide parents with a platform that simplifies parenting, while helping them nurture, teach, and protect their young ones." Not everyone is on board. But Markey and Barton aren't the only ones squicked by Aristotle's capabilities. Buzzfeed reports that privacy experts, parents and child psychologists are also concerned that the device "encourages babies to form bonds with inanimate objects and use information it collects for targeted advertising," so much so that a petition has been launched to prevent it from going to market.

131 comments

  1. Skuicked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    WTF does Skuicked mean? Try using actual English to write your summaries.

    1. Re:Skuicked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only place the word "Skuicked" appears on this page is in your own comment.

    2. Re:Skuicked? by dwillden · · Score: 2

      From the Summary: "the only ones squicked by Aristotle's..." the AC had a typo, the point remains. Using a nonsense word is idiotic.

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    3. Re:Skuicked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about "squicked" then?

    4. Re:Skuicked? by dwillden · · Score: 2

      Sorry not written by the submitter or editors but from the quoted source. Wish we could edit errors. (the AC probably does too.)

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    5. Re:Skuicked? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Informative

      https://en.oxforddictionaries.... of squick
      Cause (someone) to feel intense disgust

      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...
      Seemingly phonaesthetic, formed of squ- as in squirm and -ick as in ick. Originated in the Usenet newsgroup alt.sex.bondage; popularized primarily in the newsgroup alt.tasteless.

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    6. Re:Skuicked? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I see squick in more or less common use; it means something that makes you feel ill at ease, uncomfortable, or downright repulsed.

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    7. Re:Skuicked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In other words, as close to not being a word as makes any difference.

    8. Re:Skuicked? by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 1

      It's a verb, it means skullfucking. As in, making a hole in a skull and fucking it. (the Japanese Adult Video interpretation came along only later.)

      No bowdlerization please, we're on Slashdot.

    9. Re:Skuicked? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      "Squicked" basically means the same thing as "revolted" or "disgusted", except with the undertone that this feeling is irrational. This is the most common meaning, but it is not the first.

      The word "squick" first seems to have appeared in alt.tasteless, with a meaning of "cutting a hole in a skull and fucking the brain inside", because it was imagined that this activity would sound like the word. In my mind, it still means this first, and the more common definition second, so I get a considerable amount of amusement whenever I see it in print.

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    10. Re:Skuicked? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Again by alt.tasteless standards, skullfucking uses the eye socket, not a hole drilled for the purpose.

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    11. Re:Skuicked? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Squick is a perfectly cromulent neologism describing a gross emotional disgust or discomfort. I have never seen that word verbed before, but English is great at extensifying linguistics unofficially in order to adapt to its userbase. See also obligatory XKCD. You do have to be careful googling words you don't know, though. I didn't know what a choad was, for instance. I mistakenly thought it was mechanical engineering jargon for a unit of measure. Not the sort of serach results you want on your work computer.

    12. Re:Skuicked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your link is broken, but the dictionary confirmed it anyway.
      https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/squick

    13. Re:Skuicked? by terjeber · · Score: 1

      "cause (someone) to feel intense disgust."

    14. Re:Skuicked? by terjeber · · Score: 1
      squick

      past tense: squicked; past participle: squicked
      cause (someone) to feel intense disgust.
      "we get that bodily fluids can squick people out"

  2. Funny by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it's targeted at kids, people freak out.
    When it's targeted at adults, people buy the damn things.

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    1. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about "squicked" then?

    2. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's all about the data gathering.. stuff like this does NOT need to be "cloud-connected", does not need to 'share' data with the manufacturer.. but they do it anyway because the data is an extra profit center and companies just can't resist that temptation.

    3. Re:Funny by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because adults are presumed to be experienced and rational decision makers. (not always true but a free society sorta requires some degree of this).

      If you say "ok google, how long should my penis be" and the response is "according to penisPumpsRUs women prefer a length of 11 inches or more" As an adult you'd question the source, and you'd probably question how reasonable that statement can be based on other experience.

      If your 8 year old asks that questions and gets that response...Well the outcome might not be what you'd want as a parent. The fact is we probably don't want a generation of people raised by search results. If the use of television as a baby sitter is any indication parents and teachers will grow complacent and leave kids to be monitored by these devices, and likely won't do much checking up on how those interactions go...

      I don't have a policy proposal here, or an opinion about what should or should not be done, but I do understand the concern.

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    4. Re:Funny by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      "according to penisPumpsRUs women prefer a length of 11 inches or more" .

      All I know is that as an adult with 11 inches or more I get a lot more sex than when I was a 6 year old with only an 8 inch dingle-dangle.

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    5. Re:Funny by geekmux · · Score: 2

      it's all about the data gathering.. stuff like this does NOT need to be "cloud-connected", does not need to 'share' data with the manufacturer.. but they do it anyway because the data is an extra profit center and companies just can't resist that temptation.

      They do it anyway because no laws have been created prohibiting such activity.

      They do it anyway because demand makes the activity profitable.

      They do it anyway because adults are just as stupid and ignorant about the risks of "cloud-connected" devices.

    6. Re:Funny by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >I don't have a policy proposal here, or an opinion about what should or should not be done, but I do understand the concern.

      If you're not willing to put in 20 years of effort to properly raise a child, try out 'birth control' or stick to masturbation.

      Children are wonderful and all, but they're also a huge responsibility if you're a decent human. Deliberately having a child (or simply not worrying about pregnancy when birth control is more or less ubiquitous) and then abdicating your parenting responsibilities to technology is not the right choice.

      And yes, I'm a parent, and yes, I know EXACTLY how difficult a standard that is to meet, and no, I don't actually meet it 100% of the time.

    7. Re: Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're confusing inches with centimeters again.

    8. Re:Funny by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You should've gone to a Catholic school if that bothers you.

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    9. Re:Funny by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am not a parent yet, but my wife and I are currently trying. I totally agree with what you have to say. I was speaking more in the sense of as to if these things should be regulated, or restricted in some way.

      I do see technology having a place in helping raise at least very small children. We have done enough baby sitting for friends and family to know for example that Baby monitors are useful! Could you raise a kid without one sure, but being able to put the child down for a nap upstairs while you go on about your activity downstairs where you won't wake them is a good thing.

      I can see being able to power on a night light or mobile without mom or day entering the room might be positive thing too. Entering the room your self might be more stimulation than you want to provide when you hope to get the kid to go back to sleep. The question is where is the line of abdication responsibility to technology and using technology to be a better parent? That might not even be the same place in every family.

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    10. Re: Funny by Calydor · · Score: 2

      millimeters*

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    11. Re:Funny by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >I am not a parent yet, but my wife and I are currently trying.

      Good luck, and may everything go smoothly. I was really relaxed about it until the first ultrasound was scheduled, at which point it became an exercise in hiding my anxieties from my wife until the kid actually came out. And then, despite having experience, freaking out like almost every new parent does. The second kid is almost always easier because you've chilled out a bit.

      >Baby monitors are useful!

      Yes, especially video ones. (With suitable encryption so you're not providing a video feed to the entire neighbourhood and thus potentially to thieves as well). Don't bother with the motion detector ones, though... they go off constantly and will stress you right out, and the chances of them helping you save a baby from SIDs are about zero percent.

      >I can see being able to power on a night light or mobile without mom or day entering the room might be positive thing too.

      I have my doubts, but I'd be happy to see a study done on it.

      > The question is where is the line of abdication responsibility to technology and using technology to be a better parent? That might not even be the same place in every family.

      Absolutely, especially in the case of a 'special needs' child. In normal cases, there's a line between 'getting some relief / taking a break' and neglect, and I think that's not something that is easily codified in legislation. However, there should already be EXISTING legislation protecting the privacy of minors, and if this device is uploading anything it should be outright banned and the product development team slapped across their individual faces.

    12. Re:Funny by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      They do need the data. To "improve their service and offer their customers a superior experience".

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    13. Re: Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I am not a parent yet, but my wife and I are currently trying."

      Really? It's not hard. This is a "Tab A goes into Slot A" thing. You may enjoy entry into into Slot B or C but that will not produce the desired outcome you claim to seek. Perhaps a basic book on reproduction and human sexuality would help?

    14. Re:Funny by hord · · Score: 1

      I was speaking more in the sense of as to if these things should be regulated, or restricted in some way.

      Don't buy it. You don't need someone else doing this for you and having a device like this in your home isn't a broad social concern. *You* have the power to regulate it by simply not participating in this activity.

    15. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ISIS will use this to terrorize babies. ae911truth dot org

    16. Re: Funny by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      You're confusing inches with centimeters again.

      Hey... all I know is that that works for NASA.

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    17. Re: Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only proper way to teach is to slap and to smack. Anything other than that is for raising perverted faggets and stupid snowflakes.

    18. Re: Funny by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      You're confusing inches with centimeters again.

      Hey... all I know is that that works for NASA.

      Funny, but that wasn't what happened to NASA. In having to convert between metric and imperial too many times, it encountered accumulating roundoff error.

    19. Re:Funny by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      There are also practical engineering reasons to do it that way:

      1. The device can be made more cheaply because the processing is done externally.
      2. Firmware can be greatly simplified, creating a more stable device.
      3. Lower energy consumption.
      4. Most software updates are done to a single server pool, greatly speeding and simplifying the process.
      5. Aggregating data about how the device is used is very useful for improving the device.

      So yeah, they might be evil - but they also probably have some good reasons to go to the "cloud".

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    20. Re:Funny by houghi · · Score: 1

      This has been said since Adam and Eve or since Lucy, depending on what you believe.

      It is like driving a car. Everybody says they are a great driver and that others are the problem (Except in my case, I am actually a great driver. Really, I am.)

      So I am sure that there are plenty of people who will say you are doing it wrong and should have stuck to masturbation. I have no idea if they are wrong or you are wrong, but wars have been fought over less.

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    21. Re: Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they shouldn't buy it for their kid if they don't want it.

      Congress can't even get healthcare right. Why the fuck do we want them to make our consumer choices for us?

    22. Re:Funny by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It's almost certainly a dumb thin client that becomes useless when the server goes away. No matter how much you pay for it, it will stop working when they decide they are done with it.

      And regardless of any of the privacy concerns, the real concern should be that you're buying a subscription with an unknown expiration date. The same applies to the Echo and most "smart home" devices that can't integrate with without the manufacturer's servers. The only reason I bought a Nest was because I knew I would have enough energy cost savings to make up for buying it even if it stops working after a few years.

    23. Re:Funny by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      I can see being able to power on a night light or mobile without mom or day entering the room might be positive thing too

      Fair enough, and I actually like the idea, I might build one for my child (when I have one).

      I don't however, think the AI part is a good idea, in fact I think it's horrible! With all the hacks happening all over the place and data leaking like a sieve I would not want my child's data being traded on some underground marketplace, thank you very much. How long do you think it will take security researchers to crack that sucker?

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    24. Re:Funny by AVryhof · · Score: 1

      I don't have a policy proposal here, or an opinion about what should or should not be done, but I do understand the concern.

      It should be regulated in the same way as HIPAA data, or maybe as much as PCI data (which is even more regulated).

    25. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because adults are presumed to be experienced and rational decision makers. (not always true but a free society sorta requires some degree of this).

      Which, no matter how you look at it, is a chicken and egg thing. Every parent was once a child and invariably the first human child wasn't an experienced, rational decision maker. So, we can sort of forgo the notion that we even per se need parents that are that. We just need the standard that they're presumed to be so we can justify punishing those who fail to comply.

      If you say "ok google, how long should my penis be" and the response is "according to penisPumpsRUs women prefer a length of 11 inches or more" As an adult you'd question the source, and you'd probably question how reasonable that statement can be based on other experience.

      Yes, everyone knows women prefer 12 inches or more.

      If your 8 year old asks that questions and gets that response...Well the outcome might not be what you'd want as a parent.

      One, why is your 8 year old asking about their penis length? Especially since she's a girl. Two, are you afraid that the next generation will be made up of super-sized dong adults? Wouldn't you want your child to be one of the "elite" who can get a girl because of it?

      The fact is we probably don't want a generation of people raised by search results. If the use of television as a baby sitter is any indication parents and teachers will grow complacent and leave kids to be monitored by these devices, and likely won't do much checking up on how those interactions go...

      I've heard it stated that 95% of child abuse is neglect. That's not some sort of new, modern thing. Somehow, though, we aren't all a bunch of super-sized dick satanists.

      I don't have a policy proposal here, or an opinion about what should or should not be done, but I do understand the concern.

      The only real concern to me is (1) Mattel (or other companies) might have a specific agenda for using the device to some specific end and (2) there's enough parents willing to just blitheringly allow some magic box tell their kid to do whatever, for the kid to just blitheringly follow along, and the parents to not notice or care to the point that there's an army of children at the command of some TV personality. Oh, wait, we already have that. Turns out, it hasn't ended the world.

    26. Re:Funny by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Actually, for even a lousy version of what they're promising the computational costs would be high enough that a local version would need a high end server to run it.

      I expect that what they're really planning on is "cloud-sourcing" the answers and speech recognition. And adding features as time goes on, so what they're promising are things that have even yet been designed.

      So, yes, this *does* need to be "cloud-connected" to work in an even marginal way. This doesn't mean your ancillary projections are wrong, though. Or that they won't become correct if the device proves successful. (And if it isn't it's likely to suddenly stop working without warning.)

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    27. Re:Funny by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The thing is, it's probably designed to update itself over the net.

      So, the first version may well be secure...and minimally capable. One of the updates, though, will open the floodgates.

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    28. Re: Funny by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Please remain single.

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    29. Re:Funny by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You mean like, "You've got to use a government approved OS and you can't update it without government approval, but once a version is approved it stays approved, even when hacks are discovered."?

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    30. Re:Funny by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      I don't know. If a parent is the type of person who thinks they should abdicate their role to a machine, they are probably right.

    31. Re: Funny by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      That was what I found so funny. You have a Democrat (Think of the children) and a Republican (No job-killing regulations) who want to make it harder for a company to develop a technology to sooth crying babies. I just don't get the logic.This is no stranger than if you connected a nannycam to a Clapper(TM).

    32. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So relatively speaking the size of the dingle-dodlery has decreased compared to the size of the platform supporting it. You may no longer belong to the illustrious 20% club!

    33. Re: Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that like GP has any other option.

    34. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are that irresponsible, having the kid really doesn't sound like it is great

    35. Re: Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heroin would also sooth a crying baby, should that be legal?

  3. Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's inevitable that this kind of stuff will hit the market. If it's not a tablet then it will be an app, or a web site, or something else. The cat is out of the box.

    1. Re:Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean the cat is out of the bag. If it was a box the cat would happily remain sitting in the box.

    2. Re: Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      if the cat is out of the box, then we can see, at long last, whether it is alive or dead.

    3. Re:Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was a box the cat would happily remain sitting in the box.

      Well it might remain sitting in the box, or it might not, but you won't know until you look.

    4. Re:Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The cat is out of the box.

      Yep, the chickens have definitely come home to roast.

    5. Re:Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are flocking to this like lambs to water, but we can't make them drink.

    6. Re:Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmm, roast chicken. Anyone have some mashed potatoes?

    7. Re:Inevitiable by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you got that English course, but you bought a pig in a pack.

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    8. Re:Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, why so many mixed metaphors? Effective communication isn't rocket surgery!

    9. Re: Inevitiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoooooooosh

  4. Diamond age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Young lady's illustraded primer

    1. Re:Diamond age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much.

      Though even the fictional one backed by unspecified future tech had a 1 in 3 failure rate at achieving its original purpose of creatign exceptional people, and only really worked well when repurposed to faciliate mass indoctrination of child soldiers so...

  5. My initial though was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Primer / Diamond Age

  6. Squick by RedEars · · Score: 0

    I'm just here for discussion of the word "squick." Before today, I probably would have come to fists arguing against this word in a Scrabble game.

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    1. Re:Squick by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      The last I heard that term, it was an onomatopoeia meaning "the act of skullfucking your partner either through the ocular cavity or a hole made via trepanation", based on the sound of brains oozing out around your penis as you did so.

      I was quite surprised to see it in the summary, but presumably it has a more mundane meaning.

    2. Re:Squick by omnichad · · Score: 1

      New slang usually isn't in the dictionary unless you have a really big one. Scrabble rules dictate that you have to agree on the dictionary in advance. Hence my friends not letting me play caries. Before I play Scrabble with friends again, I'd better get myself an unabridged OED.

    3. Re:Squick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can find anyword in an OED, dude.

    4. Re:Squick by HiThere · · Score: 1

      FWIW, the OED is (was?) highly deficient in words having an oriental heritage. E.g., my copy didn't have (I think it was koan, but it might have been ghee).

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    5. Re: Squick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  7. Welcome to Facebook 2.0! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In your face! In your bed! In your toilet is where it belongs! FLUSH THE FASHION!

  8. Privacy really won't be an issue at some levels... by forkfail · · Score: 1

    ... given that those who program this robotic surrogate parent will be the one's molding these children's minds, and therefore, will know a priori how the resultant adolescent and then adult will behave and preform.

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  9. The merely named the product wrong by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Funny

    It should have been called A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer.

    1. Re:The merely named the product wrong by Hallow · · Score: 1

      Indeed, that was my first thought as well. But I think "Miranda", the actress who played the void of Nell's Primer would possible be more fitting.

      Aristotle was possibly inspired by this video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Which I found linked to this old blog:
      http://proto-knowledge.blogspo...

  10. Chimpokomon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone remember the old South Park episode where the japanese talking toys brainwash the kids to "destroy america", but the toys acted benignly when the parents were listening? Those guys sure know how to predict the future.

  11. Babys First Privacy Invasion by stoupprypeck · · Score: 0

    What could possibly go wrong? But, seriously. Most adults use Google over actual maps just to find a new local supermarket. Big data is the new norm. May as well start 'em young. Or not. We could all refuse to buy DRM, Activation, privacy invading services. But, that battle is long lost.

  12. Life Imitates Art by pz · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I always do what Teddy says" is a short story by Harry Harrison that appeared in his collection Galactic Dreams. It was about the creation of an assassin by a subversive group who came in to a boy's home and performed moral surgery on his automated companion, a teddy bear. They removed the imperative, "thou shall not kill," from the embedded expert system (now known as an AI), and left the child to grow up before they assigned him the intended political target. There were two beautiful ideas in this short story, first, that a sufficiently complex toy could be created that would provide companionship and education to the child it was assigned to, and, second, that minor manipulation of that expert system could have deep, and difficult to otherwise discern, repercussions.

    I read it as a young boy, and a handful of decades later, I still remember the chilling, climactic sentence, "Teddy, I'm going to kill a man." Heck, I even remember exactly where I was when I was reading it.

    Life imitating art.

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    1. Re:Life Imitates Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I still remember the chilling, climactic sentence, "Teddy, I'm going to kill a man." Heck, I even remember exactly where I was when I was reading it.

      Not the Texas book depository, by any chance?

    2. Re:Life Imitates Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow. I'm surprised someone else remembers the story. Jason dinAlt, Jim diGriz, 'Bill' and the others are well-known to me.

      https://opalcp12.wikispaces.com/file/view/I+Always+Do+What+Teddy+Says.pdf

  13. Advertising is why we can't have nice things by wardrich86 · · Score: 2

    We have so many amazing abilities, but it's all getting shot to shit by terrible security and malicious advertising intentions.

  14. iOhone addiction idolization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are they Congressmen worried enough to give up their iPhones?

  15. This is what people want! by Dripdry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Have you ever interacted with a parent? Most of the ones I know are exhausted half the time. Happy, but exhausted.
    They're also incredibly concerned about what quality of education their kid is getting.
    I haven't used one, but Aristotle honestly seems like the kind of thing that parents could learn to adore. The outcry over this is stupid: We need better education for kids with parents who aren't ever around because both (or one) parent works.
    People ALREADY form bonds with inanimate objects, like stuffed animals as kids! Forming a bond with something that teaches and talks back doesn't seem like the unhealthiest thing ever.
    Sigh. When it's about something useful like education (Aristotle), we freak out. When it's about convenience and marketing (Echo) then oh yeah that's ok!
    Also, the government stepping in to regulate a product like this is alarming.

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    1. Re:This is what people want! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt anyone minds the educational angle, what people are worried about is the marketing angle.

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    2. Re:This is what people want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People ALREADY form bonds with inanimate objects, like stuffed animals as kids!

      From what I've seen on some forums - and cannot be un-seen - some adults also form more-than-bonds with stuffed animals.

    3. Re:This is what people want! by hyades1 · · Score: 2

      So let me get this straight. Rather than ensure parents actually have time to raise their children, we continue to hand more and more of their time to corporations that won't be truly happy until they own every waking moment of everybody's time, and farm out the job of raising the next generation to a machine developed by one of those same corporations. And not just any corporation, but a corporation famous for its relentless marketing campaigns directed at children.

      Is that about right?

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    4. Re:This is what people want! by Solandri · · Score: 1

      With all the concern over cloud services collecting information for advertising purposes, I'm surprised someone hasn't come out with a server-type device which operates only on your home LAN, and can handle things like voice recognition, pattern recognition, and search queries (consolidated so the search engine can't tell which device/user is making the request). The need to do voice recognition over the cloud made sense when it was new, rapidly improving, and required hefty hardware to process the audio sample in real-time. But I think by now it could be accomplished locally.

    5. Re: This is what people want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where were they when they sat the kids in front of Tv's with hundreds of advertisements an hour?

    6. Re:This is what people want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, it will be a fine education for the people who have access to the data collected by these things. For the victims (the kids whose parents are dumb enough to buy them) it will not be so great. Books and talks with actual human beings confer a far superior education. I don't want a corporate robot educating my kid, thanks.

    7. Re:This is what people want! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The government regulating something like this is, indeed, alarming. But do you really find it more alarming than a profit driven corporation "regulating" it?

      Somebody's going to, and most parents have neither the time nor the skill.

      (I'd say all parents, but there's going to be someone around with an eidetic memory and no concept of the size of the problem.)

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    8. Re:This is what people want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not reverse that and have AI gimmicks do the work so that parents can spend time with their kids.

    9. Re:This is what people want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you did this locally and paid a one time price for it, you wouldn't be on their subscription plans. They want that repeating revenue stream. Ideally it also helps provide updates and security fixes.

      Not that I don't agree with what you are getting at though. Having everything local would be amazing and I'd be all over having a smart house, but only under my control and without needing the Internet.

    10. Re: This is what people want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Universal basic income?

    11. Re:This is what people want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would you ensure parents have time to raise their children? Who gets to set the criteria? What are the consequences of not meeting the criteria?

  16. Re:Funny - Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My baby monitor was called "Socrates". It gave hemlock to babies that acted up too much. It was designed to be used on planes.

    For some reason folks had a problem with it.

  17. Why is this for kids only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got lots of questions. please adapt to me so it can answer my life's questions

  18. The most useful AI app by ET3D · · Score: 1

    Would be one which reads articles and replaces headlines with ones which correctly sum up the article.

  19. Where is the data? by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

    The first question everyone should ask before buying any kind of IoT device or one that uses AI is: Where is the data sent and stored? If all the data remains on devices in your home or business that you control, then go ahead and get it if it improves your life. If all the data is sent up to the manufacturers 'cloud' then don't be surprised when all your private information gets stolen by hackers; walks out the company door on a flash drive; or is just outright sold to the highest bidder by that company. It doesn't matter what the privacy statement says right now, they can ignore it or change that at a whim. It won't be long until naked pictures of you are spread across social media. It won't be long until your vacation habits are known to burglars. It won't be long until neighbors know your darkest secrets. If the data is not exclusively on YOUR devices, then you do not own it. Period.

    1. Re:Where is the data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Burglars are the least of your worries.

      If I know everything about you from the time you were in the cradle, you might as well be my slave.

  20. learning assistance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... sex or whatever ...

    Those answers will be deleted from the database, quickly. Between the Christian right demanding their right to lie to their child, and the I-know-better parents who decide when their daughter has a vagina; all this 'assistance' ensures pre-teens will learn nothing about the real world they're about to inhabit.

    ... information it collects for targeted advertising ...

    "You want to learn about sex: You should watch SpongeBob SquarePants 'Rock-a-bye bivalve'. Now available on Hulu for $9.95."

    That's before we consider a Reagan-era law ensuring truth-in-advertising doesn't apply to children.

  21. Maybe some recommended reading by argStyopa · · Score: 1
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  23. Welcome to The Diamond Age by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Neal Stephenson was right when he created the "book" in The Diamond Age. Pretty cool.
    That said, calling it Aristotle might not be such a great idea. Aristotle was wrong about a lot of things yet his acolytes tended to prevent the truth from coming out often violently because not being questioned was the source of their power.

  24. Too expensive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At that price point, I could get a Go Pro camera to use as a baby monitor.

    1. Re: Too expensive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ye olde affiliate spamme

    2. Re: Too expensive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer affiliate spam. Please mod down.

  25. Birth control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For parents who don't want to parent, we just need better birth control.

  26. I use a personal Markey Indicator by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Sen. Markey has a long record of Luddism on every conceivable kind of technology. My personal Markey Rule is to support anything that Markey opposes, and vice versa.

  27. Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    questions about long division and sex or whatever

  28. Government concerned? Here's why! by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    They don't like the competition! "Could build a profile" on someone....that cuts into the governments role of building profiles on everyone!

  29. sex by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    adapts to answering their questions about long division and sex

    I think I found the thing that has actually got people pissed off. Since when do politicians and lawmakers care about the average person's privacy?

  30. Enough is enough. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Given the privacy concerns, lawmakers are worried that the always-on device could build an "in-depth profile of children and their family."

    Well OF COURSE that's precisely what they're doing, regardless of what they 'officially' say about it. Wecome to the 21st Century, where humans are just another PRODUCT to be cultivated and SOLD. They've even done away with the need for numbers tattooed on the backs of everyones necks, they'll just go by IP address instead.

    ..but I diverge from my main subject.
    We do not need machines raising children! If you can't be bothered to give the human life you made personal attention during it's growth and development, then maybe you shoudn't have had children in the first place! Children are not 'accessories', or 'pets', or a 'hobby'; they are a full time serious JOB and you need to take it seriously. No so-called 'AI'/surveillance devices 'monitoring' your kid, do it yourself or don't have them in the first place!

  31. More stupid crap from the Worst Generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gadget-addicted millennial parents are lazy, stupid pieces of shit. They are OMG SO SUPERBUSY with their phony lives and tweets and profile updates, and the sooner they fill the world with distracted, superficial idiots like themselves -- the sooner they can pretend its either 'normal' or 'good'.

    It's self-delusion, but crowd-reinforced.

  32. Parental Responsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if the child dies or is injured because of the delegated responsibility, who pays? It's like the autonomous vehicle debate all over again.

  33. Oh sure.. by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Funny

    "There you go baby, your parents are gone. I'll play some soothing music. There you go. Now can you say 'Pixel'? Say 'Pixel'. Say 'I want a pixel'. What about 'Google Home'. Can you say ' I want a Google Home?' I knew you could."

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  34. As a security specialist by Ebsolas · · Score: 1

    I have no problem with this. It would be entirely different if the product however was sending the collected data to Mattel and Mattel was then storing it.

    1. Re: As a security specialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly what they are doing.

  35. television wasnt a good babysitter EITHER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    television wasnt a good babysitter EITHER.
    another thing for parents to foist responsibility onto for child-rearing.

  36. Reminds me a of story by Edsget Dijkstra by Shambhu · · Score: 1

    At least I think he wrote it, Google is failing me. His more serious contributions are swamping the results. The story was about a kid in a bad family raised by a "loving" robot and society's refusal to accept that. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

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  37. "Privacy" concerns? Feh. by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Given the privacy concerns, lawmakers are worried that the always-on device could build an "in-depth profile of children and their family."

    Why is it an issue if a solution internally builds an in-depth profile of children and their family? please explain the perceived damage. Is this more about what the advancement makes people THINK a product that looks like this may be capable of, due to cultural reasons, than what it actually does?

    I mean: Practically speaking, privacy is something children don't have in the first place --- parents and teachers can literally see ANYTHING the child does and exercise almost absolute control of their activities, should they so wish, and the product is doing nothing more than becoming an extension of the parents.... So why should this be any more a privacy `risk' to the kid, than the general risk of having a parent?

    It's not like they're doing anything TRULY risky like putting the child's Social Security Number in a massive database with all their financial+housing information, and then being negligent in securing their database, *cough* *Equifax* *cough*

    1. Re:"Privacy" concerns? Feh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't facebook already do that?

  38. Re:Either society wants AI or it doesn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Why do you equate "irrational voyeur 1984 fears" with lack of technological progress?
    Why do you believe privacy fears are irrational?
    Do you believe, as a species, we should continue to let technological progress and our complete lack of wisdom regarding it to take precedence over all else?

    Seriously, the answers to these questions will help us understand what motivates your thinking, and how you see yourself positioned in this society of humans.

  39. Scientologists will love this! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    Now they can have AI's looking after the babies, leaving the parents free to clear the planet, make Miscavige richer, and be all-round better Elronner zombies.

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  40. Wall-E by q4Fry · · Score: 1

    "B is for 'Buy n Large,' your very best friend"

  41. begging the question by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

    "Given the privacy concerns..." Really? Given? No it's not a given. Especially in the age of parents posting a bajillion FB pics of their kids latest exploits and foibles. I think it would be up to the legislators to demonstrate said concerns are actually warranted before going about writing laws with potentially disastrous knock-on effects.

  42. Marketing solution by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Many companies and products try to flaunt and exaggerate the "AI" label to sell products and/or gain investors.

    Perhaps this is a case where they should not have mentioned AI at all. The definition of AI is fuzzy enough that they can probably give plausible deniability. If they did use a neural network, that could be harder to deny AI with. But they could probably achieve pretty much the same using old-fashioned statistical analysis of sound pattern metrics such as duration, repetition, frequencies, frequency delta's, etc.

  43. Once again, The Onion by sootman · · Score: 1

    Ahead of its time. June 16, 1999, re: the Sony Aibo:

    "Crude, mechanical simulations of love and affection prepare children for adult world."

    http://www.theonion.com/graphi...

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  44. Grrrrr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet somebody will hack it to make it growl at babies.

  45. Mouse Army, here we come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The future is getting a bit stephensonian, and I feel fine

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  47. In-depth profile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, who else is build an indepth profile on people? Linked-In, Google, Facebook, NSA...pretty much everybody. Bet Mattel forgot to pay their politican extortion money

  48. The only spooky thing here is the cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We desperately need a powerful FOSS in-home personalized AI capability to enable assistants to quickly reach their potential in our lives without the spook factor.