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This Company Is Crowdsourcing Maps For Self-Driving Cars (wired.com)

mirandakatz writes: If we want self-driving cars to become mainstream, we need maps -- and not just any maps. We need ridiculously detailed and constantly updated maps of the world's roads. And there's a mad race among startups to become the definitive provider of those maps. At Backchannel, Steven Levy takes a deep look at Mapper, a startup that just came out of stealth today and that hopes to become that definitive provider by crowdsourcing the production of those maps, paying drivers to drive around with a special mapping device on their windshields. As Levy writes, "Mapper's solution is to create an army of part-time workers to gather data that will accrue to a huge "base map" for autonomous cars, and to update the map to keep it current. Think of the work as an alternative to driving for Uber and Lyft, without having to deal with customer ratings or backseat outbursts from Travis Kalanick."

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  1. AHEM by kfh227 · · Score: 2

    Google already has the tech for this. They demoed it. Their OS will be everywhere including cars. I'm sure that this war has already been won.

  2. OpenStreetMap by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

    Sounds like something OpenStreetMap already does, though there are probably accuracy and liabilities limitations? Though, based on the following sentence, I would suspect the map data they produce is not going to be open:

    Mapper’s solution is to create an army of part-time workers to gather data that will accrue to a huge “base map” for autonomous cars, and to update the map to keep it current.

    The other thing is whether they will reference publicly the sources of their data, otherwise there is likely to be a high risk of ripping off other sources and even including the same errors.

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    1. Re:OpenStreetMap by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If self driving cars need such detailed maps, then Self Driving cars are not yet ready for the general public.

      I know my GPS sometimes gets confused when going off a Ramp onto a highway, or a road parallel to a highway, and areas that fork rather rapidly. However this requires the self driving car to make the decisions not a detailed map. Because Roads change too often. Just this summer, we had some flooding that wiped out a good part of a road, for a few weeks, one lane of the road was closed causing 1 way traffic with a makeshift stoplight. Then after construction was done the road was shifted 15 feet to one side. If self driving cars are to be a reality, they will need to figure this stuff out by itself, and not with detailed maps. As this stuff can change faster (especially on low populated areas) then people can record such changes.

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    2. Re:OpenStreetMap by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      Sounds like something OpenStreetMap already does, though there are probably accuracy and liabilities limitations?

      I came here to say this.

      OSM maps are very good. I have a hard time believing that you could crowdsource maps that are better.

  3. No. by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    If we want self-driving cars to become mainstream, we need maps

    No. If these systems require more accurate maps [than human motorists require] to keep passengers alive, then the self-driving peons still don't get it.

  4. Agreed by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    A human can handle things like, "Upon reaching the entrance to that rural property, follow the gravel until it looks like a better idea to be on the dirt path, and maybe park on the grass next to that other car".

    People are already talking about self-driving cars without any operator controls, and I just don't see that happening without a general AI, because there's so much knowledge and abstract understanding of the world required to operate a car in unusual circumstances.

    Or, for those of us in snowy climates, to operate a car when the road isn't visible and you have to make judgement calls on where the pavement most likely is based on whatever cues you can find.

    Or how to cooperatively route through or around construction without being so polite you sit there forever while all the pushy drivers jam in front of you.

    I doubt I'll still be alive before there's a car that doesn't need a human to operate it a significant amount of the time. I would very much like to be able to put my car on 'autopilot' while on a long highway drive in good conditions and take a nap without fear of dying in my sleep, and I think that's achievable.

  5. Obligatory xkcd by Allasard · · Score: 2

    https://xkcd.com/1897/
    Oddly, only from a week or so ago.

    1. Re:Obligatory xkcd by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

      https://xkcd.com/1897/

      Oddly, only from a week or so ago.

      Crowdsourcing also depends on the crowd for the most part being non-malicious and honest. Just imagine 'pranking' the system and the potential outcomes.

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  6. Tesla by EnsilZah · · Score: 2

    And Tesla is getting this data from every car they sell, for free.

  7. What we need by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    is self-driving cars that collect self-driving maps data for self-driving cars.

  8. Comma.ai by DrYak · · Score: 2

    as does comma.ai

    (With the small difference that their software is opensource,
    and their hardware is not vendor specific)

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  9. Connectivity by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    What about areas without connectivity? If self driving cars *need* these maps to work then how will they ever work if you drive away from an internet connection?

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