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Toronto To Be Home To Google Parent's Biggest Smart City Project Yet (techcrunch.com)

Sidewalk Labs, the smart city subsidiary of Alphabet (the parent company of Google) with the stated goal of "reimagining cities from the Internet up," now has a very big sandbox in which to conduct its high-tech experiments. From a report: That's obviously an ambitious project, but some of the groundwork is already being laid: Alphabet's Google will be the flagship tenant for the new neighbourhood, anchoring the easter waterfront, to be called "Quayside," and Sidewalk Labs has committed $50 million to kick off pilot testing and planning in partnership with the City of Toronto. Sidewalk Labs won the contract through its response to a Request for Proposals issues by Waterfront Toronto, and organization created by the Canadian federal government, the Ontario provincial government and the City of Toronto together to foster development of Toronto's lakefront areas in ways that address urban sprawl while respecting the realities of climate change and taking into account the ability of the city's residents to get around efficiently. The area involved in the RFP that Sidewalk Labs will work with the government coalition to develop spans around 800 acres (though 12 acres are specified for the initial project), and is one of the largest underdeveloped urban areas in any North American city, making it a good target for Sidewalk's ambitious vision, which involves building smart cities holistically from the very start. Ultimately, the partners hope to turn the area into a "place for tens of thousands of people to live, work, learn and play -- and to create and advance new ideas that improve city life," according to a release from Sidewalk.

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  1. How dirty is this land? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've just looked at satellite images of what I think is the land in question. It appears to be used for industrial purposes now and in the past.

    How dirty is this land? Will remediation really be able to properly clean up what might be decades of industrial waste and chemicals and other contaminants that have gotten into the soils?

  2. Oh YAY! by Chas · · Score: 0

    Something else Google can drop into place and then abandon...

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    1. Re:Oh YAY! by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      Yep, Google's millennial hotshots are great at big ideas, flashy launches, PR, and bold plans. What they're not so great at is physical implementation and long-term maintenance (you know, the actual hard work that can't be done with an app).

      Google Fiber anyone?

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  3. Ransomware a whole city. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Expect a massive car crash of hacked self driving cars cars and ransomware power cuts.

  4. Re:Quayside? by ganjadude · · Score: 2

    so the san francisco of canada?

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  5. "building smart cities holistically" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    which involves building smart cities holistically from the very start

    Toronto is well known for these planned communities that end up becoming total disasters. Regent Park is a 1940s/1950s-era attempt at a planned community that failed. St. James Town is a 1960s-era attempt at a planned community that failed. Crescent Town is a 1970s-era attempt at a planned community that failed. Don Valley Village is yet another 1960s/1970s-era attempt at a planned community that failed. Those areas became well-known as hotbeds of crime and poverty. Why should anyone expect this "building smart cities holistically from the very start" initiative to fare any better?

    1. Re: "building smart cities holistically" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alphabet's bank account? Not that I am excited for more corporate overlordship, but let's see what they can do.

    2. Re:"building smart cities holistically" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because this time they're respecting the realities of climate change. In the 70's, man, the realities of climate change got no respect.

    3. Re:"building smart cities holistically" by Imazalil · · Score: 0

      Because only those with a Google account in good standing will be allowed through the gates. /s

      The next slightly-more-inclusive-white-flight-2.0 to the suburbs is guaranteed to happen again. (It's the circle of liiifeee~) Hopefully cities learn from the past and do slightly better when it happens again.

    4. Re:"building smart cities holistically" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike the examples you cite, that where all built for useability and affordability and latter turned in to places to ditch poor people, this will be for the very rich alone probably only for only google employees, I mean why shouldn't the have all of the port lands?

    5. Re:"building smart cities holistically" by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Toronto is well known for these planned communities that end up becoming total disasters.

      I don't think you understand what planned communities mean - because your example are housing projects and apartment complexes, not planned communities.

    6. Re:"building smart cities holistically" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toronto is not well known for its projects because they were smaller scale and less of a disaster than almost any other US or UK city of a comparable size.

      And they were more livable because Toronto's downtown streetcar grid never got killed off, and even bus/subway public transit was well used until 1990 when it stopped expanding. The city also never really had the 'white flight' phenomenon common in the US.

      Quayside is also a much more mixed project than Regent Park, Don Valley Village, etc, which were only or mostly housing projects. Urban planning is not universally bad. Quayside's main problem will be that higher order transit won't arrive fast enough. There are 2 waterfront LRT lines in the works, but they will get pushed down the priority list in favour of more LRTs and subways in the suburbs for decades, plus even more badly needed Relief Line. It's a shame, because downtown is getting 50% of the population growth.

  6. Wut? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Please forgive my ignorance but what exactly is a 'smart city' ?

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    1. Re:Wut? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

      It's like the difference between a regular TV and a smart TV.

      So in a smart city, you can do cool stuff you can't do in a dumb city, but you risk bricking the city with every software update.

    2. Re:Wut? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Will the city still work if I don't plug it into the internet?

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    3. Re:Wut? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Please forgive my ignorance but what exactly is a 'smart city' ?

      Folks are getting dumber every day . . . just listen to the average person blabbing away innocuous nonsense very loudly on their cell phones in public.

      So in order to maintain our level of economic prosperity and standard of living, our fearless leaders are making cities smarter to balance out the dumber people.

      That's really nice of them.

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    4. Re:Wut? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Will the city still work if I don't plug it into the internet?

      No.

      DRM.

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    5. Re:Wut? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      So doors will open automatically so people don't want into them? And close more slowly so that they don't get hit in the ass? That kind of thing?

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    6. Re:Wut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the DRM, can more than one person in my family visit the city at the same time?

  7. More gentrification? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    Is this just more places to live for rich people, and the middle class and poor can just bugger off? If so then GTFO, Google.

    1. Re:More gentrification? by doconnor · · Score: 2

      This is empty, former industrial land.

    2. Re:More gentrification? by boudie2 · · Score: 1

      That should be rat infested, flood prone, empty, former industrial land. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rats-toronto-population-increase-1.3627395

    3. Re:More gentrification? by Ichijo · · Score: 2

      If you really want places for the middle classes and poor to live, then you should support more density in your neighborhood.

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    4. Re:More gentrification? by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

      If you really want places for the middle classes and poor to live, then you should support more density in your neighborhood.

      No thank you....

      I rather enjoy having a front and back yard and a covered driveway.

      I really enjoy having my own space in the back for my smoker and Big Green Egg, I like that I can set up my 3 tier all grain brewing system...have a patio table to enjoy time with friends and family.

      NO thank you, I don't really wanna live stacked on top of other people and sharing walls.

      That last one alone would take a LOT of enjoyment out of my sound system I've been building for decades.

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    5. Re:More gentrification? by Ichijo · · Score: 2

      I see, if your neighborhood allowed more density, you would be evicted from your house and forced to "live stacked on top of other people and sharing walls."

      Thanks for clearing that up!

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    6. Re: More gentrification? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, what is your idea to increase population/area without a corresponding decrease in area/population?

    7. Re:More gentrification? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

      Oh hey great idea, let's build huge high-rise apartment complexes full of affordable housing, it'll be quite the Project I think.

    8. Re:More gentrification? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter if it's empty or not, really, if their 'smart city' is only going to be financially accessible to the rich, then I think it's a shitty idea.

    9. Re:More gentrification? by TheCycoONE · · Score: 1

      In order to get the partnership, Google had to agree to 20% affordable housing, which in Toronto means rented out at less than 80% of the average rent for housing in Toronto. What that means for the rest of the area - no idea.

    10. Re: More gentrification? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rest of the area? Probably sold to Chinese 'investors'.

    11. Re:More gentrification? by coofercat · · Score: 1

      ...and soon it'll be empty mixed-use land.

      I don't know how this goes down in Canada, but pretty much any planned stuff here in the UK ends up being a soulless, lifeless sort of thing. My problem with such places is that they never build in a cosy pub, or a cheap convenience store, or a kebab shop. Instead, they make a few commercial units and fill them with franchised chain places which have about the same atmosphere the inside of an Amazon warehouse. I mean, you can get a great apartment, maybe with a river view and a trendy kitchen, but try actually going to a supermarket to get some groceries - not so easy. You don't get parking space, because most people don't own cars, but you could really do with one because you're miles from anything useful. Try making a bit of noise one night with a few pals watching a game or something - nope, complaints from the neighbours.

      Source: Swindon, Milton Keynes, the Docklands (London), soon-to-be Greenwich Peninsula (London), etc etc. Fine if all you want is a place to sleep, just don't think about eating, or actually living any sort of life there.

    12. Re:More gentrification? by Graydyn+Young · · Score: 1

      Oh no, they're gentrifying the landfill depot?! Where will the rats live?

  8. Re:Quayside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the words of Mark Twain: a summer in San Francisco is colder than a winter in Toronto.

  9. Moving Sidewalks by Arzaboa · · Score: 1

    I'd love to see them put in moving sidewalk lanes that could move fairly quickly. Maybe an outside lane that folks entered and exited on, a mid speed lane and a fast lane that went from point to point. Sure buses and trains do this, but this would be more fun.

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    1. Re:Moving Sidewalks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The roads must roll!

  10. Ubisoft Toronto by dristoph · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Somewhat ironic choice of city; Ubisoft Toronto was the developer for Watch Dogs 2, a pretty fun game which explores the implications of ubiquitous "smart city" tech under the ownership of monolithic organizations.

  11. Re:Summary is a mess of marketing-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. It's like it was written in Russian and then put through Google translate.

  12. Re:Summary is a mess of marketing-speak by sycodon · · Score: 0

    ...address urban sprawl while respecting the realities of climate change and taking into account the ability of the city's residents to get around efficiently.

    So, pack everyone into the city, and bus them everywhere, driving up housing costs and the cost of living in general.

    Google just recently cut back on the roll out of Google Fiber in the Austin area. Wonder if you can trust them to finish what they start.

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  13. we must dissent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smart cities always reminds me of the AI city control in Alpha Centauri. The cutscene with "We must dissent" echoing through the shadows still resonates.
    Was a great way to control your population though.

    1. Re:we must dissent by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      I haven't played Alpha Centauri in a very long time. Now I want to play it again. Thanks for destroying all of my free time for the next several months!

  14. Theyâ(TM)ll fail and turn it into condos... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    like the rest of Toronto. Developers with deep pockets will never let it happen, cheap tall condos is their mandate.

  15. The goal of affordable housing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure Tory will spin this somehow as not a giveaway to 26 and tridel but it won't be true, will 26 have to pay the foreign investment tax, I don't know but I doubt it

    1. Re:The goal of affordable housing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

          "foreign investment tax"

        No such thing.

        Don't be so sullen, this will be a good project. The entire area is up for redevelopment so it's not a giveaway, it's a sellaway. Money in the bank for Waterfront Toronto.

    2. Re: The goal of affordable housing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can it really be considered to be 'Canadian' if much of it is owned and/or controlled by American, Chinese and other foreign entities? I don't think so.

  16. A place to avoid by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    A city that serves as a sandbox for Google? Sounds like a great place not to go.

    1. Re:A place to avoid by WallyL · · Score: 1

      I'd hate to be a part of that smart city project when Google kills it, like Reader, Notes, Picasa, Google chat, and everything else they've shot in the head.

  17. Can somebody please mod down the parent comment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can somebody please mod down the parent comment by DerekLyons? The parent commenter has probably never even been to Toronto, and is totally wrong and totally ignorant about this matter.

    The developments that the GP listed are in fact planned communities. They aren't just "housing projects" or "apartment complexes" like the parent is wrongly thinking. If you have ever visited any of them you'd know this to be true.

    The developments that the GP listed are a planned mix of residential, commercial, institutional and recreational developments. It doesn't matter that some of them used highrise apartments for the residential component, or that some of these accommodations were treated as community housing. They're still planned communities in every sense of the word, as they did not develop organically over time, and were instead built with very specific intent during a very short period of time.

    I don't think that the parent commenter even looked at the Wikipedia article he linked to! The relevant section about Canada even refers to the CityPlace development in Toronto. This modern development is very much like the St James Town or Crescent Town developments that the GP referred to. It too is a mix of highrise residential towers with commercial space on the lower levels, with institutional developments and parks between the towers. Being much newer than the planned communities that the GP listed it just hasn't yet succumbed to the problems that now plague the older developments.

    The shitty parent comment should be modded down. It's completely wrong.

  18. Fuck Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just wish they were Apple. Fuck them too.

  19. SKIN CRAWLING QUOTES from the big wigs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “Together, our goal is build a complete urban community where there are good opportunities for everyone to work hard a place where innovation of every variety can flourish.” -- Kathleen Wynne, Ontario Premier

    I read this as "a great place to WORK HARD" (i.e be a slave to Google)... "innovation of every variety" .. (i.e. every manner of control and invasion in your life).

    “You guys are the home for immigrants – excellent,” Schmidt said. “Try to remember that technology is powered by immigrants. I need to tell some people in America, so please continue.” -- Eric Schmidt, Alphabet CEO

    This one is confusing to me... technology is powered by immigrants? WTF? Because noone domestic does.. technology?? Only foreigners can do this! What the fuck is this guy's actual agenda here? Slavery for all no doubt...

    And finally .. "dont be evil" -- GOOGLE MOTTO... Gods only come in two types.. GOOD .. and EVIL... the fact that Google has to declare they wont be evil, to me, it says they think they are gods ... and odds are, if they have to remind themselves to not be evil, their NATURAL TENDENCY .. is to be evil... and they have the power to do great evil... maaaan FUCK google...

    1. Re:SKIN CRAWLING QUOTES from the big wigs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YEAH haha.. why put a google device into your home, when you can just make the whole home a google tracking device... #slaverypods