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How Kodi Took Over Piracy (wired.com)

A reader shares a report: For years, piracy persisted mainly in the realm of torrents, with sites like The Pirate Bay and Demonoid connecting internet denizens to premium content gratis. But a confluence of factors have sent torrent usage plummeting from 23 percent of all North American daily internet traffic in 2011 to under 5 percent last year. Legal crackdowns shuttered prominent torrent sites. Paid alternatives like Netflix and Hulu made it easier just to pay up. And then there were the "fully loaded" Kodi boxes -- otherwise vanilla streaming devices that come with, or make easily accessible, so-called addons that seek out unlicensed content -- that deliver pirated movies and TV shows with push-button ease. "Kodi and the plugin system and the people who made these plugins have just dumbed down the process," says Dan Deeth, spokesperson for network-equipment company Sandvine. "It's easy for anyone to use. It's kind of set it and forget it. Like the Ron Popeil turkey roaster." Kodi itself is just a media player; the majority of addons aren't piracy focused, and lots of Kodi devices without illicit software plug-ins are utterly uncontroversial. Still, that Kodi has swallowed piracy may not surprise some of you; a full six percent of North American households have a Kodi device configured to access unlicensed content, according to a recent Sandvine study. But the story of how a popular, open-source media player called XBMC became a pirate's paradise might. And with a legal crackdown looming, the Kodi ecosystem's present may matter less than its uncertain future.

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  1. Kodi solves a problem by OffTheLip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's that simple. People want to view content and issues of availability, cost, censorship, convenience figure into individual choice as to whether one uses the app and how one uses to the app.

    1. Re:Kodi solves a problem by dslauson · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's that simple. People want to view content and issues of availability, cost, censorship, convenience figure into individual choice as to whether one uses the app and how one uses to the app.

      Add "perceived risk" to that list of factors. I have a feeling a lot of the people using these plugins don't realize they are infringing copyright in a way that could put them at legal risk.

    2. Re: Kodi solves a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, bullshit. They just don't think they'll get caught.

      (I have no problem with it, mind you...infringe away...but don't act like they don't know what they're doing.)

    3. Re: Kodi solves a problem by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      oh no, there are a bunch who dont know the legal issues. Grandparents for example who were gifted them. the majority of the people of course know. but id say at least 10-20% honestly do not know

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    4. Re:Kodi solves a problem by exomondo · · Score: 1

      It's that simple. People want to view content and issues of availability, cost, censorship, convenience figure into individual choice as to whether one uses the app and how one uses to the app.

      I have no problem with paying content creators for the work they do, indeed I subscribe to a number of streaming services, but very often those factors (particularly availability) that you mention come into play. I can watch something when I'm in North America but then when I travel to the UK I can't watch it. Those sorts of restrictions mean people just turn to piracy, it's not necessarily a lack of willingness to pay, it's a lack of willingness of the content provider to offer that option. Somebody else offers that option, the fact that it costs nothing isn't really the point.

    5. Re: Kodi solves a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you expect them to explain to granny and granddad why they can't each something the couple next door can? Do you expect them to put up with the bs flinging that will ensue after you tell them the short version of "the MAFFIA owns all culture; the world is merely renting it"?

      Like it or not, some people are better off not knowing about the MAFFIA's bs. It saves us all a lot of headache from a problem that we're unwilling to do anything about.

    6. Re:Kodi solves a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me I do not even use it to 'pirate' movies. I have 1500 movies on disc. I wanted a decent media player. None existed at a reasonable price point. Those that did had a crap interface.

      KODI is not without its flaws. But it is best in class.

    7. Re:Kodi solves a problem by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      Primarily I use it to view YouTube videos. Using the Firefox addin called "send to kodi" I can load a YouTube page in Firefox and then send the video to kodi. In conjunction with my tablet I can fine tune my viewing experience.

      There's an enormous amount of legitimate freely accessible content that using kodi to view is perfect.

      According to the US Supreme Court if the device has a legitimate use then it isn't illegal. Wired knows this. It is fraudulent of Wired to misreprent how people are using the kodi software by implying it has no legit use.

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    8. Re: Kodi solves a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really like my Chromecasts for that purpose.

    9. Re:Kodi solves a problem by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Most people I know think as long as it's stream, it's perfectly legitimate.

    10. Re:Kodi solves a problem by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Most people I know think as long as it's stream, it's perfectly legitimate.

      As it should be. My kids (under 10) watch infringing stuff on youtube all the time. Should my kids be liable for stuff that a multi billion dollar company gives out for free? Why is google/youtube not held responsible? Google/youtube isn't even really trying. They play ads and rake in millions of dollars from infringing content. Youtube/Google is likely making more money from pirated content than all the other pirate sites combined. My kids stumble upon it accidentally by typing stuff like "spongebob" and "simpsons" but by using a little more intelligence you can type things like "the matrix full movie" and still find whatever you want on youtube. If you want to stop piracy, you need to stop going after the small infringers. You need to do two things. Step one is make everything available at a reasonable price. Something like 50cents/hour for anything more than 5 years old would be a good starting point. Step two is go after the distributors and search engines like youtube/google and the individual channels on kodi. Yes, it's whack-a-mole but whack-a-mole can actually be highly effective. If, as a kodi user, every time you sit down to watch a movie, your favorite illegal channel is gone and you have to spend 30 minutes searching for a new channel then after a while you're going to get sick of it and decide that it's easier to just pay $8/month. This is even more true if the search engines are doing their job and making it hard to find the new channels and the legitimate channels are doing their job of making all the content available at a reasonable price.

    11. Re: Kodi solves a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you, as the "responsible" adult, are liable for what your kids do online, whether that be watching pirated content or porn.
      "Well look your honor, I just gave my kids the gun and showed them how to shoot people, I can't be expected to take responsibility for the murders they've committed!"

    12. Re: Kodi solves a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you've already indicated you have no ethically issue pirating content. Why bother paying for streaming services in the first place? Does the pirated version just happen to not be available in the countries where your legal service is? Or do you not care about shopping for the lowest price?

    13. Re: Kodi solves a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. We're a rare breed on Slashdot, those of us who actually pay our way in society instead of leeching off others.
      Media stubs are what I use Kodi for, with its library management features. All I have to do is give it a movie name and it'll catalog everything for me. No more having to peck through shelves full of DVDs to find something to watch.

    14. Re: Kodi solves a problem by exomondo · · Score: 1

      So you've already indicated you have no ethically issue pirating content.

      No, I'm saying I'm not an absolutist about it.

      Why bother paying for streaming services in the first place?

      Because, as I said, I have no problem with paying content creators for the work they do.

      Does the pirated version just happen to not be available in the countries where your legal service is?

      The only means to get the content in some regions is to pirate it despite it being accessible in other regions.

      Or do you not care about shopping for the lowest price?

      It's nothing to do with price and everything to do with availability.

    15. Re: Kodi solves a problem by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      No, you, as the "responsible" adult, are liable for what your kids do online, whether that be watching pirated content or porn.
      "Well look your honor, I just gave my kids the gun and showed them how to shoot people, I can't be expected to take responsibility for the murders they've committed!"

      Yes, I'm responsible for what my kids do as in if my kids shoplift, I'm liable but the companies providing the service have a responsibility too. Apple was successfully sued for making in-app purchases too easy for kids. Businesses do unethical stuff to catch kids all the time whether it is putting a $5 bottle of water in a motel room or a pay to play tablet in a restaurant and many times the parents get stuck with the bill but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep demanding that businesses take responsibility. In google's case, google/youtube is the one actually hosting, copying, distributing, and selling (via ads) the infringing material. Going after the consumer is stupid. This would be like CNN broadcasting some copyrighted footage and the owner of the copyright deciding to sue everyone who happened to be watching CNN that night instead of suing CNN. If google allows its email to be used for spam there are consequences. There should also be consequences when google allows its services to be used for mass copyright infringement.

  2. Sandvine, that name rings a bell by fibonacci8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is this the same Sandvine whose business model included spoofing data packets to discourage bittorrent activity, regardless of whether the content being torrented was legal?

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    1. Re:Sandvine, that name rings a bell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes that's the one.

    2. Re:Sandvine, that name rings a bell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I know the platform is pretty powerful. It has to be used in a fair manner. It is intended to improve QoE, not discourage bittorrent.

    3. Re:Sandvine, that name rings a bell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I know the platform is pretty powerful. It has to be used in a fair manner. It is intended to improve QoE, not discourage bittorrent.

      I've heard that it's a piece of shit and that all the people who make it are cunts, particularly their marketing department.

    4. Re: Sandvine, that name rings a bell by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

      "Is this the same Sandvine whose business model included spoofing data packets to discourage bittorrent activity, regardless of whether the content being torrented was legal?"

      Sandvine is a network equipment vendor, their business model is to provide technology and services (consulting, support etc.) to ISPs that allow the ISPs to manage the utilisation of their network.

      Their products are quite comprehensive and flexible.

      For example, their products also support integration with bittorrent caching/acceleration solutions (in some markets this can provide customets faster bitttorrent downloads while saving costs for the ISP).

      The business pratice of slowing down torrents would be that of the ISP in question, and if Sandvine didn't offer it, they would have chosen another vendor (Allot, Procera, Cisco etc.).

  3. Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kodi is an extensible media player. Piracy happens in separate plugins which are neither produced nor endorsed by the Kodi developers. If Kodi took over piracy, so did the OS it runs on, because that too effectively serves as a base for the piracy plugins. Kodi is not piracy software!

    1. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Kodi took over piracy, so did the OS it runs on

      You mean Linux, Android, Windows, Macs, and iOS?

    2. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 2

      so-called addons

      Like they're not real addons...but it's a Wired article, what do you expect? If they can't even decide on calling them addons or "so-called addons" then why do you expect they'd be able to differentiate the platform?

      As far a Slashdot...well, this is what the users have chosen in the Firehose.

    3. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, those are all filthy pirate operating systems, apparently.

    4. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's what he means. It makes just as much sense to say "Mac OS took over piracy" or "Microsoft Windows is now the leading piracy tool" as it does to say the same thing about Kodi.

    5. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and links to pirated content are not piracy themselves. That didn't work out great in the 2000s.

      What it comes down to, is that if the content producers want to pursue a lawsuit, the plugin argument is not going to be bulletproof.

    6. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! You're pretty smart, penis breath! Why don't you move to Hollywood and get molested.

      Too far. Washiington, DC is much closer

    7. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False.
      Penises do not breathe.

    8. Re: Et tu, Slashdot? by Brockmire · · Score: 0

      Garlic doesn't breath, yet it's called "garlic breath". So clearly it's what your breath smells like, not what thing is doing the breathing. That's why you're called shit breath. Fail.

    9. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Kodi is an extensible media player.

      Kodi is the name given to a black box that people buy. It's the name that flashes up on bootup. All your talk of extensible blah addon blah is meaningless.

    10. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine does, with aplomb...

    11. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kodi is an extensible media player. Piracy happens in separate plugins which are neither produced nor endorsed by the Kodi developers. If Kodi took over piracy, so did the OS it runs on, because that too effectively serves as a base for the piracy plugins. Kodi is not piracy software!

      and i read about kodi on slashdot, so....

    12. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe yours doesn't.

    13. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...and the article already mentions that this "black box" often doesn't do piracy on it's own. It has to be altered by the user to do piracy. It's just like any other general purpose computing device.

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    14. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on Sandvine's logic, Microsoft Windows is the single biggest piracy platform in the history of... well, history.

    15. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clinton and weiner are gone. Hollywood still has all the liberal molesters active

    16. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KODI is the target for the industry because it runs on platforms, like the PI and its alikes, that are not loaded up with Trusted Computing and protected media paths.

      Their aim is for every single general purpose computer to be reduced to broken cable box/tablet.. with only approved software allowed to play their media.

    17. Re: Et tu, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean an android media player or raspberry pi type device in a case with "Kodi" on it? It is a media center software. Go and check out the official website and see what official add-ons there are

      All of this can be pointed to websites like TVAddons, who's sole purpose was ad revenue from those looking for piracy addons.

    18. Re:Et tu, Slashdot? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Clinton and weiner are gone. Hollywood still has all the liberal molesters active

      No, the Sexual Assaulter In Chief is still in DC.

  4. Re:How Russia took over Donald Trump by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1, Funny

    I don't see why people say money laundering is a problem. Doesn't it get dirty with dust, bodily residues and microbes over time?

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  5. There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If content creators don's want people pirating their content they can make it more easily accessible.

    I would LOVE to have a Netflix plugin that works with Kodi so I didn't have to switch inputs and start my Playstation.

    I USED to have a an app that could play Amazon video without having to switch inputs and turn on my Playstation, but Amazon actively thwarted the software that only worked if I paid my Prime anyways.

    I would love it if I could just watch Hulu from Kodi without having to switch inputs and turn on my Playstation.

    Really I could just leave my Kodi box running and watch all of the movies I paid for by streaming it from the Kodi box to the Playstation, but let's face it, Kodi has a great interface.

    I CAN play a bunch of PBS stuff legally on my Kodi box, I can play some random stuff from various local TV stations that have an accessible on-ramp, including some national networks,100% legally. That's not quite as slick as using the Playstation, but it's not horrible.

    TO fix the problem you don't have to start giving everything away for free, but not being pricks about APIs would fix a lot of it.

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    1. Re:There's a fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If content creators don's want people pirating their content they can make it more easily accessible.

      Publishers could aid that goal by being less asshats about their content as well.

      One huge problem I have with them, is they squarely and firmly label me a pirate, despite in reality not pirating and purchasing all of my media.

      I do have a form of Kodi system (It's actually the older form of Kodi, still named XBMC) but I don't have and never have had any streaming add-ons
      I've only ever in fact had one add-on, to allow for an http API for remote control commands, which has since been part of the base software.

      My DVD collection however is ripped to my local file server to watch from any TV in my home.
      For this convenience I am labeled a criminal and categorized as a pirate.

      All of those DVDs were purchased legally, most all of them brand new, and even the pre-owned used ones are still in the jewel case with original disc, original paper jacketing, and with the (sometimes annoyingly placed) "used price" sticker with either a "blockbuster" or "family home video" branded price label.

      But the fact I choose to store them in digital form all in the same place for my own ease of use is, despite the betamax court case being long over, still labeled a copyright violation.

      It's only the coincidental fact that you would never know of my actions via monitoring my Internet usage being the only reason I have little to no risk of being sued.

      Now, on top of my preferred media storage method being deemed a crime, my favorite media player interface is now being deemed an illegal device.

      It's no wonder so many people have said fuck it to the game and refuse to play along.

    2. Re:There's a fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would LOVE to have a Netflix plugin that works with Kodi so I didn't have to switch inputs and start my Playstation.

      I think this is coming with Leia. At least Netflix is on some early test builds on libreelec. I don't use Netflix. Don't know the particulars.

    3. Re:There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I've done that, or sort of sucks, mostly because Netflix isn't navigable via keyboard. It is the way I did it for a while though back when I was still running Mac OS on that machine. Guess I could try it again, just don't like switching to the crappy little trackpad when the keyboard remote I have works so great otherwise. On the PS3 I have the BluRay remote.

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    4. Re:There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 2

      Someone has a comprehension issue.

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    5. Re:There's a fix. by Desler · · Score: 1

      If content creators don's want people pirating their content they can make it more easily accessible.

      Or you could just avoid their content if it’s not released under terms you agree with?

    6. Re: There's a fix. by Brockmire · · Score: 0

      You come off as an entitled, whiny little bitch. Sounds like you should just leave the fucking Playstation on, it seems to play everything.

    7. Re: There's a fix. by Brockmire · · Score: 0

      You? Don't be butthurt when someone reads what you said as what you said. Clarify what you meant or fuck off.

    8. Re:There's a fix. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I would LOVE to have a Netflix plugin that works with Kodi

      There already is one in the nightly. Expect a proper working plugin with the next major release version.

    9. Re: There's a fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is you've been lopped in with the rest of us dirty pirates despite being a good little pleb who spent all his shekels on shiney movie discs?

      Thats sure a lot of money wasted to feel superior to the masses bud.

    10. Re:There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      It's why I've yet to see a single episode or Star Trek Discovery or Constantine, despite the fact Constantine ties into shows I'm watching now, and Discovery ties into shows I watched once upon a time.

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    11. Re: There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      except for h.265

      When has anything ever changed to accommodate your wishes by shutting up, sitting in a corner, and ignoring the possibilities? I've already mentioned changing code to get plugins to do what I want, so I'm willing to do it myself. Right now the ball is in the court of some other people - did the horrible "Must have the Kinect hooked up to use your XBOX One" requirement go away because nobody said anything or did it get done because everyone bitched?

      Why am I feeding this fucking troll?

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    12. Re:There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      w00t!

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    13. Re: There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I've read some of your comment history.

      You do much poking with a stick, you do little in way of contribution.

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    14. Re: There's a fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was pretty obvious what he meant. You're the only one missing it because you're a twit.

      He has Amazon Prime and can stream video from it. <--- This is the part that he pays Amazon for, you obtuse fuck.
      He has a streaming media player that Amazon doesn't sanction.
      He had it working with Amazon Prime streaming.
      Amazon broke compatibility with it on purpose, simply because they didn't have iron-grip control over the device. <--- This is the part that makes Amazon fucking pants-on-head retarded, which was his point.

      English, motherfucker! DO YOU SPEAK IT?

    15. Re: There's a fix. by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

      I see. Are you one of those people that, when asked by someone "Can you tell me where the postoffice is?" just answers with "yes" and walks away, satisfied you answered the question? Most people understand what is meant without it being literally spelled out. There are only two kinds of people that don't: trolling twats, or people who lack the ability to read something comprehensible. Let's be honest here: you understood perfectly what the parent poster meant. So don't be an autistic ass about it.

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    16. Re: There's a fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a few hundred Blurays that I only paid ~$6 each. Walmart sells many movies older than 10 years quite cheaply. For movies that we really want, we'll splurge and pay $15-$20 for the 4k/Bluray combo pack, which is still cheaper than going to the theatre.

      Video games are the cheapest form of entertainment, but buying movies is still much less than what many people spend in a bar.

    17. Re:There's a fix. by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

      This is an unrealistic counterargument. The point is, if you know the human nature, you also know the vast majority of the populace wants entertainment, wants it as cheap as possible, and wants it in an easy, accessible way. They want that, whether it's legal or not, and a considerable part of that same populace will try to get it, legally or not. that's just a fact. One can come up with all sorts of legalities and moral judgements, but it still is and remains a fact. That's why the 'war on drugs' never succeeds as well: even with steep fines and prison-sentences, drugs are still being used. human nature, as said. Now then. realising this, one should think about what is the best way to remedy this as much as possible. Is it by being more harsh, higher fines, more prison time? No. That never works. The most effective way IS, indeed, as the parent poster said, providing it at a cheap price, in an easy way, and being very accessible everywhere.

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    18. Re: There's a fix. by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It's clear he's a troll.

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    19. Re:There's a fix. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Fucking tell me about it. All those people saying that they should just launch Chrome are ignoring the myriad of these systems now running on ARM architectures which lack a Chrome build.

    20. Re: There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I do the same. I used to buy $3 DVD's out of a box at HEB. I guess they had a deal with Redbox, they would take the old Redbox movies and sell them for $3 each, glorious scratches and stickers in the middle, the whole 9 yards. A significant part of my collection came from that. A couple of weeks ago I bought 3 of the 5 Diehard movies and on BluRay for $5 each as well as some block-buster-bombs from Big Lots. I have a huge movie collection, and a not insignificant portion of it came from the bargain bin. That's part of the reason I have five HDD's hooked into that system (four internal that aren't all that huge but hold a different media each and an external 4TB Firewire drive)

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    21. Re:There's a fix. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I did the Chrome thing back when that system still had Mac OS on it. It's a first-gen Intel Mac Pro. Apple doesn't support it anymore. I moved to Linux not because I prefer it (even though in many ways I do, except for the issues I don't like to acknowledge where incompatibility creep happens with time if you keep the base up to date). What happened was every time I launched Netflix I got a message in Chrome "This version is no longer going to be supported and no new version is available because you're base version is too old ass-hat, upgrade!" accompanied by the occasion message from Mac OS that would steal focus from Kodi about "we're not going to let you upgrade crap, update your machine! wanker!" At which time I would have to use the touch-pad to close the messages I already knew about and didn't really want to see again. I moved the OS to Linux, which wasn't as easy as it sounds, I discovered I had to get a custom build with a 32 bit loader but a 64 bit OS due to some specific things about that generation of Mac Pro. Still it's been great so far and I haven't bothered putting the Chrome launcher back on there simply because it's so awkward to use. My system just is not configured to use pointing devices well, I have a keyboard remote where the arrow keys, enter key, and esc key are 95% of the navigation and they've very easy to use. Switching to mouse is like having to switch from walking along whistling a tune to walking on ice with leather-soled shoes.

      I just don't consider the Chrome launcher the way to go.

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    22. Re:There's a fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just avoid their content if it’s not released under terms you agree with?

      Doesn't work. What they are really worried about is not piracy, but income and control. People who don't watch their shows are not paying, and not under their control.

      Bill Gates himself even admitted this (the movie studios of course never will): "As long as they are pirating, we want them to pirate OUR products, not something else".

      Any time people try simply not watching instead of pirating, we get even more draconian copyright laws, with the end goal being that not paying and/or nor watching will be illegal.

    23. Re: There's a fix. by ale2011 · · Score: 1

      This morning I sent back to Amazon a copy of Silence I had purchased in May. They are going to refund me 16.20 euros. The Blue-ray disc didn't seem to be damaged, I guess it was defective by design. My reader's firmware is dated 2012, and the encryption key on the disc is probably newer. At Amazon, they've been so fair as to gloss over their return policy, but they cannot sell me a copy that I can see. Should I spend 120 bucks on a new player, just to get new encryption keys? Who is preventing me from seeing Scorsese's work? (Who are the pirates?)

      Compare with TV series such as Castle or Elementary, for which I don't even find an Italian edition on DVD. They've been played and replayed on TV, but are available from "unofficial distribution" only. Is it obvious that it is legitimate to download them in that case?

    24. Re:There's a fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's no wonder so many people have said fuck it to the game and refuse to play along.

      When large numbers of people do something that involves an exercise of individual rights, that's more than sufficient grounds to establish a 9th Amendment right (rights retained by the people). It follows that legal action taken against anybody exercising that right is illegal. It doesn't matter what the DMCA says, it doesn't matter what the remainder of copyright law says, it doesn't matter what's in shrink wrap contracts. Whether it's an Act of Congress (DMCA, or copyright law), or state law (contract law), when it comes into conflict with the Bill of Rights it's an illegal law, because the Bill of Rights is the highest law in the land.

      Violation of individual rights "under the colour of law" has been criminal offence in US federal law for a long time. It's also grounds for civil suit. We already have laws on the books to deal with this problem.

      So the only question is, how long will the public allow these special interest groups to break the law? The US legal profession clearly finds the 9th Amendment inconvenient to their business model - there are huge ethical conflicts of interest and that's a profession that doesn't have a good track record on ethics issues - but the public doesn't have to tolerate this. It's long past time we should be telling the lawyers that they can no longer condone unethical practice of law - and stomp on both the lawyers and the special interest groups that hire them when they violate fundamental rights.

    25. Re: There's a fix. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Ha! Are you actually trying to SHAME someone for paying for the content that he viewed instead of leeching off of others?

    26. Re:There's a fix. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates himself even admitted this [...] "As long as they are pirating, we want them to pirate OUR products, not something else"

      That's because piracy drives software sales, and even if there isn't an immediate direct payment, piracy of Windows ends up still locking you into the Windows ecosystem while undercutting competitors. It does not do the same thing for TV shows and movies.

  6. Kodi - legitimate use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's necessary to point out that there is plenty of legitimate use cases in Kodi. For example, playing videos and displaying photo slideshows from a home media server, or allowing me to interact from just about any device in my network with my DVR - watching and scheduling recordings as well as live TV.

    1. Re:Kodi - legitimate use cases by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      And BitTorrent can be used to download Linux. Doesn't mean that is the primary use most people have for it.

    2. Re: Kodi - legitimate use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I use it in place of a DVR.
      But my cable company is cool with that since I pay for DVR anyways. Is yours?

    3. Re:Kodi - legitimate use cases by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Torrent protocols are also used for file synchronization and by some software to download updates.
       

    4. Re: Kodi - legitimate use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WoW being one of them. I guess the MAFFIA needs to take down Blizzard for inciting copyright infringement then.

    5. Re:Kodi - legitimate use cases by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

      What something which is legal is used for, even if it's for something not legal, isn't the fault of the legal program, though. The supreme court has been pretty clear about this: if it has legal uses, and it doesn't effectively promote illegal use, it is and remains legal.

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  7. Who took over piracy? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    Paid alternatives like Netflix and Hulu made it easier just to pay up.

    I'm pretty sure there's more paying households of Netflix and/or Hulu than there is households equipped with a Kodi box with piracy-enabling plug-ins.

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    1. Re: Who took over piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you ignore Firestick? No need for a box.
      There's at least 10 on every block.
      And 99% use it just for Kodi.

    2. Re:Who took over piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you only consider Kodi, probably yes. But that's not a proxy for piracy as a whole, and not even the most popular way to download movies without paying, despite what the article claims. Bittorrent might be smaller now than 5 years ago, but it's still pretty big, surely larger than Kodi, Netflix, or Hulu. Most importantly, remember that most Netflix users either close the account at the end of the trial period, or pay for only a month and download everything they want.

      I don't have specific data about the movie/TV industry, but I guess we can get a vague idea on the impact of piracy from the music industry, that also offers several legal and (apparently) popular alternatives, and that still has a long way to go to recover the annual revenues of the '90s:
      https://www.digitalmusicnews.c...

      As you can see, for how many dumb people pay Apple/Google/Spotify, the bottom line is that piracy still wins. :)

    3. Re:Who took over piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > we can get a vague idea on the impact of piracy from the music industry ... the annual revenues of the '90s

      Your graph is about as useful to prove your point as the one showing buggy whip manufacturers' income when automobiles took over from horses. A pity that all those car users downloaded their buggy whips instead of buying them legally!

      In the 90's, the music industry had a virtual monopoly on distribution, advertising, and in addition professional studio time and equipment was prohibitively expensive compared to now. How exactly does your graph factor these out and just leave piracy? And bravo for putting what seems like the zero point at 6 billion $/yr income!

  8. Stopped using Kodi a while ago. by Thanatiel · · Score: 0

    I liked the old Kodi/XBMC : a light browsing + viewing media application for my legally obtained/home-made content.

    Since that time it became bloated with plugins that are looking for your videos on web sites (imdb & cie), and doing "god knows what".

    I tried to disable them all, without success.

    I tried to recompile from the source, disabling every useless plugin, but the build process is not very clear (and uses cmake, that I find less user-friendly than a well-made autotools chain).

    In the end I gave up and now I simply browse to my file and play with the default media player of my current OS.

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    1. Re:Stopped using Kodi a while ago. by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uhmm, say what?

      I pretty much stay up to date on Kodi. I'm running it on hardware I re-purposed, not one of those already setup for piracy boxes from online, in fact I'm running it on an old Mac Pro.

      Not a single bloated plugin doing stuff I don't want it too. Yes - I do have a plugin that matches my file names to online databases the themoviedb.org and thetvdb.com, but I can very easily not use them, I really like my scrapper info being there.

      Even getting into advanced stuff with Kodi isn't necessarily out of reach. I am not a programmer and I've altered plugins I wanted to use that pulled video anonymously or with a shared account to actually put my own paid-for credentials in instead of a generic shared account. That particular program probably should have had a way to do it without editing scripts, but the fact I did and I can't claim to actually know any programming languages means something.

      Kodi is one of the most configurable things I've ever come across, that's part of WHY there are so many piracy plugins for it, they're not hard to make.

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    2. Re:Stopped using Kodi a while ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks a lot for the advice definitely not MPAA agent.

    3. Re:Stopped using Kodi a while ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I simply browse to my file and play with the default media player of my current OS.

      That's what we do too. Thunar+mpv is a damn nice media player with convenience, speed, and slickness that few others can even approach. And it looks way better than any streaming service that I have ever tried. Downgrading to a streaming service would be very sad, doubly-so if I had to run their software instead of my own.

    4. Re:Stopped using Kodi a while ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess... at some point in the past, you've broken at least one cup holder on your pc.

      If your installation of Kodi has all kinds of bloatware in it, you downloaded from the wrong site.

      Further, you have to explicitly enable scraping of your video / audio.

      You apparently have no idea what you're doing.

    5. Re:Stopped using Kodi a while ago. by Thanatiel · · Score: 1

      In the base package, simple useless modules are enabled by default and grayed-out for removal.
      The easiest access point for the source code is the original sources.
      Apparently you have not idea what you are talking about.
      AC, Should I be surprised ? I think not.

      I'll try to make it simple, even for you. Old XBMC: small, simple, static, good. New Kodi: big, bloated, dynamic, bad.

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    6. Re:Stopped using Kodi a while ago. by Thanatiel · · Score: 1

      That's not the point (but kudos for spending time altering code, sincerely).
      Besides installing the default minimal package (Arch), the most I would do with Kodi is ./configure --disable-all-plugins --enable-all-decoders --disable-all-encoders && make && make install
      I'm a dev and I have more interesting things to do in my spare time than trying to understand why some modules cannot be removed physically in a trivial manner. It's not worth it. (I prefer to invest my remaining energy into improving something more interesting, e.g. : Wine)
      And my slightly paranoid side tells me allowing plugins when none are needed for my use case is inviting trouble a.k.a entry point.

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    7. Re: Stopped using Kodi a while ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfft script is not code.

  9. Mal by blackomegax · · Score: 2

    Can't stop the signal.

  10. Kodi kinda sucks, but the plug-ins are OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly the Kodi developers kinda suck.

  11. Bad editing by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    So many choppy sentences starting with conjunctions. I actually had to re-read the last part several times to get what was going on.

    Some of you may find it unsurprising that Kodi has swallowed piracy: a recent Sandvine study projects a Kodi device configured to access unlicensed content in a full six percent of North American households. The story of how a popular, open-source media player called XBMC became a pirate's paradise might; and, with a legal crackdown looming, the Kodi ecosystem's present may matter less than its uncertain future.

  12. Sue content providers by esonik · · Score: 1

    How about suing the actual content providers who host and serve the pirated copies, Google, dropbox, Amazon? If they can analyze your content to serve ads they should be able to identify pirated videos.

    Oh wait, they have more lawyers than open source coders. Maybe not so good idea then.

  13. Lies and damn lies by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Informative

    I resent hyperbolic click baiting media dragging Kodi's name thru the mud with sensational headlines "How Kodi took over piracy" when authors know full well its misleading bullshit.

    1. Re:Lies and damn lies by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Authors may know, the general public doesn't which is kind of the point. As far as everyone is concerned Kodi is now considered a pirate box.

    2. Re:Lies and damn lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I resent when hyper-emotional, cynical dickwads can't be bothered to learn when and when not to use a fucking apostrophe.

      If you want to say "it is," the proper contraction is "it's."

  14. What is it? by chrysrobyn · · Score: 1

    So, I'm at work, and a lot of sites are normally blocked (not even worth clicking on half of them), but how do these plugins work? Are they user-friendly torrent interfaces? So they're torrents under the hood? Do they troll through newsgroups? Or are there illicit http sites out there providing the data? Or something else entirely? I couldn't figure it out skimming TFA... did I miss something?

    1. Re:What is it? by ottothecow · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Generally the way these things work is that they just have a bunch of connections to illicit streaming sites...and the nicer ones include ongoing updates and customer support to keep you ahead of the inevitable site shutdowns. They aren't really tied to the Kodi project other than the fact that they found a really good free media player that they could attach their addons to.

      That being said...Kodi probably wouldn't exist without piracy. I'd wager the majority of Kodi users have amassed at least some of their media collection through illicit means. There are so many ways to set up kodi with automatic usenet/torrent downloaders, and the built in library parsers are great at figuring out what you have from standard scene naming conventions...for every person who has filled their library solely with purchased and ripped DVDs...there are probably 10 who have a bunch of torrented stuff (especially since most non-physical-media ways of purchasing content are not compatible with Kodi).

      Although I once stayed at a hotel that had a customized kodi installation on a box attached to the back of their TVs with the usual sort of hotel menu options. It wasn't branded Kodi, but I noticed the sound effects were familiar and I restarted it to watch the bootup sequence. I googled the company that made it a bit and could find very little info...I strongly suspected that they were probably in violation of the GPL, but never followed it further. The closest I got was some guy posting in search of technical support with pasted log files that contained the company name in some file paths (and the guy's name showed up on linkedin as an intern at the company).

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    2. Re:What is it? by SirMasterboy · · Score: 1

      The plugins generally stream from file locker type http content hosts.

      The plugins use the file locker APIs to find the. Since it's just file lockers stuff gets taken down all the time by DMCA, but people are uploading new copies of the content as fast as or faster than they are taken down so there is generally always a few working content results for a given title.

    3. Re:What is it? by luther349 · · Score: 1

      most work over http and the plugins just scrape the sites. a few even use torrents but even they warm you to use a vpn.

    4. Re:What is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's the case then VLC and any media player app that doesn't require you to verify the license for you media should be labeled the same way. I think you misunderstand how software works.

      The hotel using the custom implementation is ahead of the curve. The theme/skin system that allows users to brand/customize Kodi is exactly why it is so popular. It does all things you need and want - and if it doesn't there are numerous third party addons (extensions) that will add the desired functionality.

  15. Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't need to have Kodi plugins to do that.

    I have an Amazon Fire TV set up with Kodi sideloaded on it.

    Want to watch Netflix - start up the Netflix app. Amazon Video - built in. Hulu - again start up the app. And then I can still play files from my file server via the Kodi app.

    1. Re:Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by pecosdave · · Score: 2

      Where do I put my five hard drives of content and nVidia card on that FireTV again?

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    2. Re: Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      NAS.

    3. Re: Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I'll plug my nVIdia card and game controller right into that.

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    4. Re: Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You plug in a game controller? Are you a time traveller from the 1980s?

    5. Re: Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by dissy · · Score: 2

      Although the ACs suggestion is fairly lacking, and actually mine may very well too, but one more tool that might come in handy for the toolbox:

      http://moonlight-stream.com/

      It's an open source version of the Nvidia GameStream protocol supported by the higher end GTX cards, usually advertised for use with the Nvidia Shield devices.
      Very low latency video streaming that actually does work pretty well with games at 1080@60

      There is an android version that works side loaded on a FireTV, right next to a Kodi load.
      I've used it to play fallout 4 on the ipad pro on a lark, but it worked quite well.

      The mobile versions do have a built in on-screen control pad setup but it sucks about as much as you'd imagine.
      In my case I just used a bluetooth gamepad paired to the host PC, mainly due to Apple not allowing such devices to pair with an ipad, but I don't believe any of the other OSes have that same limitation.

      May be useful in other situations even if you have no interest in a FireTV device.

    6. Re: Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey asshole your stupid retort was offtopic to begin with.
      You're the only one talking about games here. Fuck your controller and your gpu. Kodi doesn't need much gpu.

    7. Re: Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      You plug in a game controller? Are you a time traveller from the 1980s?

      To a computer. You're already right up against the screen.

    8. Re: Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      That's pretty cool. I use some in-home Steam streaming, both with Steam Link and client to client. I may look at this one a bit.

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    9. Re: Funny, I can do all of the above on one box by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Kodi is all about flexibility. By forcing people into an Android only box you're the one ignoring the point, not me. Part of what makes Kodi awesome is its ability to load other programs from it's 10 Foot Interface.

      I'm not the one who wrote this plugin so the fact it exist means it's on-topic about Kodi and about the original point of my posts, which is we have the ability to have an all-in-one unit except for content providers being pricks. Limiting the selection to Android to get around it isn't a real fix.

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  16. The real reason by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    The real reason bittorrent "piracy" traffic is down is because bittorrent sites have been taken down and also Comcast started blocking access to torrent search sites in certain areas. You CAN control the Internet with enough effort. Monopolies and walled gardens make it even easier.

    1. Re:The real reason by luther349 · · Score: 1

      the real reason for a time was stuff like Netflix was offering a decent paid alt. but as there library steadily shrinks due to all the content providers pulling a me to killing off the market hulu pay walling everything and so forth people have moved back to piracy.

  17. Terrible summary by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    Having read it twice, I still don't understand the point the summary is trying to make. It says piracy is much lower now than in 2011. It says Kodi "took over" the piracy arena and made it easier than ever before to access unlicensed content. It says a full 6 percent of households have a Kodi box. So what the heck is the point the summary is making? Piracy is down because Kodi makes it so much easier to access unlicensed media? That makes no sense at all. Or is this all past tense and Kodi has been stomped out and since it had taken over piracy was greatly reduced? I just don't understand what Kodi has to do with any of this, or how they know it took over online piracy when piracy is down even though Kodi makes it easier. Makes no sense.

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    1. Re:Terrible summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It says that TORRENT usage dropped between 2011 and last year not that piracy dropped. It's trying to imply that kodi plugins and the streaming / file locker sites that the plugins use have taken over in place of torrents though it the summary doesn't provide any evidence to back that hypothesis up. For all we know legitimate streaming sources like Netflix have killed torrents more than some plugins for a media player.

    2. Re:Terrible summary by luther349 · · Score: 1

      yes but Netflix is on the decline thanks to the content providers. yes they can witch hunt the plugins and dcma the hosters but people make new plugs and upload the videos faster then they can keep up and thats the new game.

  18. AAAARGH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Piracy! Robbery, rape, kidnapping, and murder on the high seas! Damn that Dread pirate Kodi!

    Oh. I see. You are referring to copyright infringement. So if you rip a DVD, your actions are equivalent to a piracy? That certainly helps during the sentencing phase.

  19. Enough blame to go around by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    It's interesting that Kodi gets blamed for this. Showbox is side-loadable and *way* easier to use than any streaming plugin in Kodi. Also there are tons of free steaming video sites. There is way more to this than Kodi.

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    1. Re:Enough blame to go around by luther349 · · Score: 1

      yep i know some sites that have been up longer then piratbay and never have a problem. they can try and blame kodi but sense they dont make those plugins good luck with that.

  20. What's next?! by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    What's next? "How Slashdot took over fake news?"

  21. Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry by tepples · · Score: 2

    links to pirated content are not piracy themselves.

    That depends on the country. One district court in Slashdot's home country ruled in 2000 that linking to an infringing copy is contributory infringement. Intellectual Reserve, Inc. v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry, Inc.

    But practically, what power would the maintainer of an application distributed as free software have to deter misuse of the application to infringe third parties' copyrights?

  22. Re: How Russia took over Donald Trump by Brockmire · · Score: 0

    I wonder if anyone has tried to collect all the tiny amounts of blow from the bills. I'm sure it would add up to something decent if you're counting cash all day long, like a casino.

  23. Who cares... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kodi users aren't pirates. They're just cheap normies trying to get something for free. It's a injustice to true pirates to claim otherwise.

  24. Fake News by HermMunster · · Score: 1

    Kodi did nothing of the sort. That's like saying VCRs took over piracy. Kodi is a tool.

    Why is wired misrepresenting this? The general public likely doesn't understand the nuance here.

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  25. /. poses no threat to power. On purpose. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has long been merely a corporate repeater. Look at the stories it picks to point to, the views expressed here (including the editorializing by way of direct comment, iconography, and one-liner comments just underneath the headline): they're all no threat to power. That's what makes sites like /. less free than older discussion forums on Usenet. Certain topics and views are simply outside the allowable limits of debate or marginalized for no good reason.

    If established power wants to posit that Kodi == "piracy" and in so doing stand against software freedom (how dare people run, inspect, share, and modify Kodi software to suit their needs!), who is /. to object.

  26. Re:Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministr by HermMunster · · Score: 2

    District Court Judge Posner ruled that streaming copyrighted material isn't a copyright violation, it is no more a copyright violation than sneaking I to a theater. He said it may be something else, but it is not a copyright violation.

    Read all of the linked article:

    https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

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  27. Re:Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministr by Mr.+Competence · · Score: 2

    Actually the court ruled that hosting the copyrighted content and, while under an injunction, actively emailing out instructions on how to infringe is infringement.
    How to Start an Urban Legend: the Reporting of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry, Inc.

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  28. Legal Crackdown Looming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the government thinks it can tell me what software I can and can't use, "freedom" has truly become a farce.

    How can anyone stop me using Kodi? We don't blame knife manufacturers for stabbings, as the old argument goes.

    1. Re:Legal Crackdown Looming by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

      Your 'freedom' is a nothing but a farce since the 1950ies.

  29. A new pool of morons by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    I can't stand the typical user... they bitch about their "Android Box" when the problem is really Kodi or the plugin... but they're too fucking stupid to differentiate between them. Most of them don't even understand that what they're doing is piracy, and have no idea where the sources are coming from... the whole thing is just a septic tank of stupid users.

  30. Just make it simple, and montly fee. by mevanchik1695 · · Score: 1

    ITunes, Spotify, made me actually finally pay for music? why? unlimited and I can say "Whoever" play xyz. I think the only solution is to do what music has done. Charge 9.99 a month(hell we pay for real-redbird for dedicated streams, some even pay for vpns). And I can say, Sirii, Cortana, Whoever, play “Goodfellas” No playing with inputs, no finding streams, no vpns, not dedicated servers, no setup, no downloading etc. My brother in law has apple tv, its kodi without the setup, and of course less content, but more content then anyone else. That’s the solution, people will pay monthly fees , for convenience, and no hassle. Even On demand is a pain finding movies on cable, and have only what they are licensed for. Open it up to all movies, and turn your loss revenue into all the lost revenue to the MPPA

  31. Basic logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Kodi is itself a just music player, how is it taking over piracy?
    OHHHH... Kodi *plugins* are taking over piracy, but that doesn't make for nearly the same sexy headline, does it? It actually describes the problem, instead of being clickbait. And instead we'll just fill the minds of Joe User that Kodi = Piracy instead of Particular Kodi Plugin Writers = Facilitating Copyright Infringement.

  32. Itâ(TM)s all bullshit and artificial loss by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    There are some titles that donâ(TM)t interest me and I will NEVER watch them (especially if I have to pay for them), but sometimes I might be bored and looking for something different and watch the odd titled for a change of pace. I wouldnâ(TM)t pay for it either way, but it makes that impress me enough that I might pay for the next one. In either case itâ(TM)s a zero sum loss, they lose nothing by charging (because I wonâ(TM)t watch it) and lose nothing by my not being able to watch it legally because I wonâ(TM)t pay for it. Itâ(TM)s just another case of corporations crying foul because they canâ(TM)t squeeze every dime out of you. If itâ(TM)s something I WANT to watch then Iâ(TM)ll pay for it. And you know what? If I liked it, Iâ(TM)ll watch it a few more times at my leisure.

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  33. Re: How Russia took over Donald Trump by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    You spelled âoeHillaryâ wrong.

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  34. Re: How Russia took over Donald Trump by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

    You spelled âoeHillaryâ wrong.

    Indeed. Eveyone knows its ôëHillary¾.

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