Audacity 2.2.0 Released

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Posted by msmash on Friday November 3, 2017 @11:30PM from the software-update-alert dept.

Popular open-source audio editing software, Audacity, has received a significant update. The new version, dubbed Audacity 2.2.0, adds a range of features and options such as additional user interface themes, and the ability to customize themes for advanced users. It is also getting playback support for MIDI files, and better organised menus, the team wrote. You can find the complete changelog here.

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Oh the Audacity! by Gravis+Zero · 2017-11-03 23:47 · Score: -1, Offtopic

And yet it's not really Audacious ;)

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1. Re:Oh the Audacity! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-03 23:59 · Score: -1
  
  Fuck off.
2. Re:Oh the Audacity! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 00:44 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Audacious is a player, audacity is an editor, so they are two different things.
3. Re:Oh the Audacity! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 05:24 · Score: 1
  
  The OK button in Audacity's splash/About box used to say "Audacious!". Then someone found that too obscure and it became "OK... Audacious!" In the new version it's just "OK". OK... so not really Audacious indeed.
Dr Who mixtapes ... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-03 23:48 · Score: 0

... must be updated immediately.
A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by Qbertino · 2017-11-03 23:50 · Score: 5, Insightful

The audacity crew as been working away at their audio tool for more than a decade now and it's a cornerstone of all things audio I do. A very nice and neat piece of software. Works as advertised, does what it should and is offered up in a neat set of cross-plattform packages. Love it.

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1. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 00:04 · Score: 1
  
  The best part is that you can write your own plugins in Nyquist.
2. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by markdavis · 2017-11-04 00:11 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  +100
  It is a great piece of software. They don't ruin it with stupid UI changes, either. It is straight-forward, reliable, fast, and yet very powerful.
3. Re: A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 00:15 · Score: 0
  
  Its awesome, amazing, decade of work....added midi support. Amazing!
4. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by AmiMoJo · 2017-11-04 01:01 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  I agree, it really is a great bit of software.
  One thing I'd like to see is a more accurate, reconstructed waveform view. The current display is a simple "join the dots" affair with symmetrical RMS band overlaid.
  Due to the way that digital sampling works this waveform is not a real representation of the analogue reconstruction. To get that you basically resample at a much higher rate and then low pass filter at the original Nyquist frequency. Audacity actually does that when you change the sampling rate.
  I recently created something similar at work, with reconstruction and some shading to better highlight the true amount of energy in the vertical bands. It was a bit fiddly to get the shading to look good with every waveform.
  I wish I had the time to re-implement it in Audacity.
  
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5. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 01:23 · Score: 1
  
  Gnomefied version of that has a white full screen window with one flat and gray button in center of it which produces a fart noise when pressed. The other features have been removed as they distract users.
6. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 01:45 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  It does what it does, for free. However, it still falls short of Goldwav and at just $45 bucks it's worth 10 times that much if you have to do anything even semi-professional with audio on a regular basis.
7. Re: A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 02:08 · Score: 1
  
  LOL It's Windows only, good luck selling it this crowd.
8. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by Rockoon · 2017-11-04 03:38 · Score: 1
  
  The worst part is also that their Nyquist is horribly slow if you ever need to do anything sample-by-sample. Its slower than emulating an emulator within an emulator. I have no idea how they messed up xlisp performance that badly.
  
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9. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by reboot246 · 2017-11-04 04:08 · Score: 1
  
  Most of what amateurs do with audio editors can be done with Audacity. If they need more, they'll upgrade to something better. Only the user can determine what they need or don't need.
  
  If you're a professional, you're already using software that's far better than Audacity or Goldwav.
10. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by chipschap · 2017-11-04 04:51 · Score: 1
  
  If you're a professional, you're already using software that's far better than Audacity or Goldwav.
  As a former audio professional, I don't agree 100%, nor do I disagree 100%. I came from the analog world into the digital world, and Audacity really does a surprising amount. Now, if you're mixing down 48 tracks maybe you need something else. But if you've got a final or near final stereo mix that can maybe use some tweaking or processing, Audacity will do it without skipping a beat (no pun intended).
  And for amateurs it's a dream come true. So many musicians are on tight budgets and Audacity will work for them.
11. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by FatdogHaiku · 2017-11-04 04:56 · Score: 1, Funny
  
  ...The current display is a simple "join the dots" affair with symmetrical RMS band overlaid...
  No one escapes Stallman!
  I had no idea he had a band...
  He sure seems to stay busy https://stallman.org/
  
  On topic, I do love Audacity. Just the ability to make a ringtone or alert sound at the drop of a hat is priceless... not to mention the actual work you can do with it. Good job Audacity team!
  
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12. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by Bitmanhome · 2017-11-04 09:49 · Score: 1
  
  I wish I had the time to re-implement it in Audacity.
  Maybe you can just strip that code out of your project and donate it to Audacity with explanation, and let someone else integrate it. If they have an issue manager, post it there.
  
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13. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by thegarbz · 2017-11-04 11:05 · Score: 1
  
  Due to the way that digital sampling works this waveform is not a real representation of the analogue reconstruction.
  Without knowing the details of the analogue reconstruction filtering that you will have bolted on to your computer, how are they supposed to display it?
14. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by AmiMoJo · 2017-11-04 11:17 · Score: 1
  
  The parameters of the physical filter in the sound card are irrelevant.
  
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15. Re:A very neat relyable piece of FOSS Software. by tepples · 2017-11-04 14:12 · Score: 1
  
  Then use a generic approximation to the ideal analog reconstruction, namely a suitably windowed sinc function.
Realtime effects stacks? by Air-conditioned+cowh · 2017-11-03 23:53 · Score: 1

Oh well. Keep waiting then.
1. Re:Realtime effects stacks? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 00:43 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  You want to do real-time audio effect stacks on your PC for free?
  Read this:
  https://sound.stackexchange.com/questions/26436/real-time-audio-effects-in-windows
  and this:
  https://music.tutsplus.com/articles/15-totally-free-reverb-plug-ins-that-rock--audio-35
2. Re:Realtime effects stacks? by Khyber · 2017-11-04 04:58 · Score: 1
  
  You rely upon software instead of hardware effects like what comes with the old SBLive!
  Protip: Software FX universally SUCKS.
  
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First used in 2005 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-03 23:56 · Score: 0

Wow. I first used Audacity in 2005, back on Linux. Thought that *nix was the place to be for easy audio editing before I derply discovered the windows port.
The key with Audacity is IMHO its accessibility. It's the (old school) MS Paint of audio editing apps, and I mean that in a very, very good way.
1. Re:First used in 2005 by Travelsonic · 2017-11-04 00:41 · Score: 2
  
  Indeed - not bloated to hell, has a good amount of features, easy to use, though unlike MS Paint, you can actually customize it with plugins, if I recall (been a while)
  
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And still no binary with ASIO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 00:02 · Score: 0

Queue the excuses and finger pointing. That is all.
1. Re:And still no binary with ASIO by deviated_prevert · 2017-11-04 06:48 · Score: 1
  
  Queue the excuses and finger pointing. That is all.
  Not finger pointing. ASIO support is not something you will see in Audacity on Windows because no one will pay for it, secondly most Windows devices today have A/D D/A chipsets that do not support ASIO despite ASIO For All, the majority of today's HD Intel and other chipsets commonly used are not ASIO capable. This is why switching to a real time linux is a better choice hands down if you do not have an old pro level asio supported device. Even if you have a pro level card or device chances are it will be supported in real time in some linux audio distros.
  Try out AV Linux if you do not believe me. I use it as a thumb drive DAW. It flies and works like a dream in real time. The support for high end audio devices in real time with ALSA and even Pulse audio is getting very good. For instance my new ZOOM H5 is fully supported under linux even if the device is name incorrectly it still functions perfectly. The ASIO drivers under windows for the Zoom device controls suck by comparison and are clunky and unreliable as hell to use compared to the same simple device control interfaces in linux.
  
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2. Re:And still no binary with ASIO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 06:56 · Score: 0
  
  > Queue the excuses and finger pointing. That is all.
  Cue.
3. Re:And still no binary with ASIO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 09:51 · Score: 0
  
  Thank you grammar nazi. What would we do without you.
4. Re:And still no binary with ASIO by fisted · 2017-11-04 10:33 · Score: 2
  
  Thank you grammar nazi. What would we do without you.
  That was actually a spelling nazi, please don't mistake those for true grammar nazis.
  That said, you forgot a fucking comma. How hard can it be?
  
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5. Re:And still no binary with ASIO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 11:23 · Score: 0
  
  > Thank you grammar nazi. What would we do without you.
  What you would do is look like an illiterate buffoon.
  You'll thank me later!
6. Re:And still no binary with ASIO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-05 01:16 · Score: 0
  
  Actually more of a semantics Nazi. Queue is a correctly spelled word and grammatically correct as well.
  It just means roughly the opposite to what is intended, i.e. queue = 'do it later' cue = 'do it now'. So it's actually more important than most spelling or grammatical errors, because mostly they still leave the actual meaning of the sentence unchanged.
7. Re:And still no binary with ASIO by Arab · 2017-11-05 23:36 · Score: 1
  
  You win!
8. Re:And still no binary with ASIO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-08 05:34 · Score: 0
  
  Usage Nazi. These kinds of errors are tricky, because it's possible the poster meant "cue" (as in prompt them to speak up) but misspelled it as "queue" (as in form a line), or it could be they actually meant "queue" and just didn't understand what the meaning of the common expression is.
  So, either a misspelling, a malpropism/mondegreen/eggcorn, or in strictest technically terms, "brain fart."
This is how software should be by lucaiaco · 2017-11-04 00:03 · Score: 5, Insightful

I agree: no flat design, no minimalist interface, no fancy icons or flashy features. It does exactly what it has to do, and nothing more. Its UI is so clear that I don't think I ever had to check the documentation on how to use it (and I am no expert in the field). One of the best free source software out there.
1. Re: This is how software should be by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 00:11 · Score: -1
  
  ?
  You mean: the interface is so bad it makes people dizzy, and makes it impossible to do any work without first engaging in serious internet study.
2. Re: This is how software should be by not+flu · 2017-11-04 01:20 · Score: 1
  
  I've been using Audacity for a decade and I've never had to look up how to do anything in it. If you can't figure it out you've probably just never used an audio editor before.
3. Re:This is how software should be by Suki+I · 2017-11-04 01:22 · Score: 1
  
  he new interface looks strange. Like someone escaped from an art department ind infiltrated the interface team.
  
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4. Re: This is how software should be by chipschap · 2017-11-04 04:44 · Score: 1
  
  I did professional audio for quite a few years, and Audacity is just fine for quite a range of work. Very intuitive and easy to use, and lots of capability --- for free.
5. Re: This is how software should be by sound+vision · 2017-11-04 04:45 · Score: 1
  
  I always thought the interface of GoldWave (shareware) was easier to work than Audacity. The programs both do almost exactly the same thing, each has a couple features the other doesn't, but I think goldwaves interface has the slight edge. I'll have to try the new Audacity UI, but the fact that they are adding things like skins doesn't give me confidence their minds are in the right place.
6. Re: This is how software should be by BronsCon · 2017-11-04 04:47 · Score: 1
  
  I've had to look up implementation details on a few of the effects in order to get desired results without hours of experimentation, but I'd have to have done that with any similar program as well so I don't think it really counts. Oh, and by look up I mean read the included documentation. So yeah, I think you nailed it.
  
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7. Re:This is how software should be by bondsbw · 2017-11-04 06:00 · Score: 0
  
  Well, it's a professional tool. Minimalist interfaces make more sense when targeting casual/unskilled users.
  
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8. Re: This is how software should be by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 11:45 · Score: 0
  
  You mean: the interface isn't exactly like Cooledit, which i grew up with, so i don't like it.
  STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!
  Captcha: impudent
Hosts file support? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 00:12 · Score: -1

Does this support hosts file editing? No?
SAD!
I will stick with APKs host file generator tool, thank you very much. #MAGA
Only took a year to support Sierra by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 00:37 · Score: -1

One of the "achievements" noted is full support for last years version of macOS. Isn't open source amazing? You now can upgrade to last year's version of macOS.
Commercial software was upgraded a year ago.
Ok open source advocates, the floodgates are opened, you can now upgrade from a two year old O/S to a year old O/S.
1. Re:Only took a year to support Sierra by fluffernutter · 2017-11-04 01:06 · Score: 1
  
  How many macos targeted applications work on linux?
  
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2. Re: Only took a year to support Sierra by F.Ultra · 2017-11-04 01:15 · Score: 2
  
  That it now has 'full' support does not mean that previous versions had no support. The problems lied in gatekeeper (that all had work arounds btw) so the fix for Sierra is also a fix for High Sierra.
3. Re: Only took a year to support Sierra by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 01:18 · Score: 0, Insightful
  
  What in the world changed in Sierra that caused it to break Audacity? This is more a reflection on the poor quality of Sierra
4. Re:Only took a year to support Sierra by not+flu · 2017-11-04 01:23 · Score: 0
  
  As if you needed any more reasons to avoid the newest versions of OS X...
5. Re: Only took a year to support Sierra by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2017-11-04 07:19 · Score: 1
  
  You apparently have no clue what Gatekeeper is.
  
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6. Re: Only took a year to support Sierra by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2017-11-04 07:22 · Score: 1
  
  Why is it that Slashdot now, occasionally and randomly, changes the URL in an href?!
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7. Re:Only took a year to support Sierra by deviated_prevert · 2017-11-04 08:14 · Score: 1
  
  One of the "achievements" noted is full support for last years version of macOS. Isn't open source amazing? You now can upgrade to last year's version of macOS.
  Commercial software was upgraded a year ago.
  Ok open source advocates, the floodgates are opened, you can now upgrade from a two year old O/S to a year old O/S.
  But you guys have already have Garbage Band, the poor Windows guys do have something that can record in the software that comes with Windows but it does not even support audio editing. Just think how great it would be if Microsoft created a clone of Garbage Band, it would most likely have a ribbon interface and be part MS office suite of software. Most people who have a Mac and just want a free audio editor use the free crapple ware readily available from the Store not Audacity. By contrast Ms Sound Recorder on Windows is a just a bad joke that nobody uses for anything other than recording the occasional fart. With Garbage Band you don't even need to be able to fart to create the sounds!
  
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8. Re: Only took a year to support Sierra by fisted · 2017-11-04 10:34 · Score: 1
  
  It's called PEBCAK
  
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9. Re: Only took a year to support Sierra by HiThere · 2017-11-04 10:57 · Score: 1
  
  What changed is something that didn't change. Apple has no interest in allowing non-Apple software to run, so their "security" application disallowed Audacity, despite that Audacity had been running under MacOS for a long time as a useful tool.
  Perhaps Apple has a competing product. I don't know, they didn't when I was using them a bit over a decade ago. But my guess is that just just broke anything that wasn't too prominent that they weren't selling.
  
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10. Re: Only took a year to support Sierra by Hognoxious · 2017-11-11 07:24 · Score: 1
  
  Various forms of this bug have been present since forever (and my version of forever is roughly half of yours).
  If you missed the protocol off it used to automatically insert slashdot.org, shit like that. I reported it, back when I was young and naive (won't bother umlauting the i, it'll just turn into @#^&&^(TM)*&*&&(TMTMTM)(TM) or something).
  
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Looking forward to trying it out... by QuietLagoon · 2017-11-04 01:40 · Score: 2

I currently have a license for Sound Forge (originally from Sonic Factory, then Sony now some marketing company), and I'm less than impressed with the current owner of the software. They seem to be more interested in DRM than the software itself. So I'm looking to Audacity to get me out of the DRM headlock that Sound Forge places on me.
Oh thank goodness by zifn4b · 2017-11-04 02:26 · Score: 1

I'm so glad to hear about:

The new version, dubbed Audacity 2.2.0, adds a range of features and options such as additional user interface themes, and the ability to customize themes for advanced users
That will make such better recordings. Thanks Audacity!

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Do this have that non-starter... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 02:35 · Score: 0

...of not being able to apply VST effects in real time? That right there was a deal killer.
Yeah forget that. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 02:40 · Score: 1

Either use Reaper or Tracktion (if you insist on Linux). 2017 and still no real time effects? That's like Photoshop without layers.
1. Re:Yeah forget that. by deviated_prevert · 2017-11-04 06:17 · Score: 1
  
  Either use Reaper or Tracktion (if you insist on Linux). 2017 and still no real time effects? That's like Photoshop without layers.
  Not at all the same problem. Real time acoustic audio recording at which Audacity excels is not the same as photo editing or today's hyped out DAW music production. It makes absolutely no sense to use a recording interface like Audacity for real time effects. The reasons for this are obvious the purpose of Audacity is not as a pass through to a sound stage output interface. Audacity controls are based around recording accurately to digital storage not complex mixing to a concert space with added effects like reverb, for this purpose they are simple and well laid out and work well in a real time system without having dropout and pop issues even at the highest bit rates possible with your A/D converters...IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
  Add digital signal reprocessing effects into the mix at the DAW level and you add a place to cause latency problems especially with PC design specs. This is why dedicated effects processors are used not the PC recoding interface to add effects to a stage mix. Blaming Audacity for PC latency troubles is shooting the wrong messenger and is exactly why the devs at Audacity completely ignore including real time effects to the monitor as a sub routine. And for those bitching about the lack of VST plugins, well go out and pay for a Windows or Mac DAW and get off the free software lawn! As it is for real time high bit rate hall sound recording Audacity is just fine, if you know what you are doing in a concert hall and use good mics. For pure acoustic recording it can produce excellent results and allow you to edit to a final mix that sounds great depending upon the musicians and not relying upon a studio monkey at a DAW with pitch correct and a swack of loops and effects to make the music saleable.
  However if all you want to produce the digitized compressed hyped up garbage garage band loop based rock musac that passes as the music today then paying around 5000 bucks a year for a pro audio daw seat with all the bells and whistles is what you need not a recording interface like Audacity.
  
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Yeah never mind that... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 02:45 · Score: 0

...you still cannot have non-destructive real time effects or proper ASIO support. But hey you can apply an Aqua theme!
1. Re: Yeah never mind that... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 03:03 · Score: 0
  
  That's because this is an audio editing software *not* a DAW. Know the tools and what they do before drawing conclusions.
  If you want multi track, real time processing and mixing you are after software like Ardour, Reaper, Pro Tools etc etc. Different tool, different purposes.
2. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-04 03:46 · Score: -1
  
  That's because this is an audio editing software *not* a DAW. Know the tools and what they do before drawing conclusions. If you want multi track, real time processing and mixing you are after software like Ardour, Reaper, Pro Tools etc etc. Different tool, different purposes.
  Thanks I get it now!
  
  Audio editing software: theme support and more themes = better software
  DAW: no correlation between theme support and more themes with better software
  
  I never realized this before, I will keep this in mind in my future audio recording software selections. Thank you so much.
  
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3. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-04 05:08 · Score: 2
  
  Audio editing software: For editing already-recorded audio.
  DAW: For recording, arrangement, mastering, and live performance of audio.
  
  You may do some editing from within your DAW but, if you look closer, you'll discover that your DAW's editor is a plugin, most likely VST. I could use your DAW's editor in my DAW and vise-versa, even if you use Pro Tools and I use FL Studio, just as an example, because they're just plugins, not part of the DAW itself.
  
  If you don't like your DAW's bundled editing plugin, you can replace it because it's a plugin; many of us decide to replace it with Audacity which, in all honesty, could probably be made into a plugin as well with minimal work. Then you could use your DAW of choice and Audacity, without ever having to leave your DAW. Since you seem to think that any professional workflow exists entirely within the DAW, this thought should make you happy. If that's the case, you should get right on implementing the VST3 API in Audacity.
  
  Or, you know, realize that what comes out of a DAW is going to see some editing in a tool like Audacity in any professional studio. Sometimes it's to re-normalize the audio, or tweak the dynamic range compression that was applied by the DAW; head and tail silence is added or cut outside of the DAW that put it there (or left it out), effects that simply aren't practical in realtime -- think ring modulation and pre-echo. How, exactly, do you pre-echo my vocals before I sing them? You can do it if you add additional delay, equal to or greater than the length of the pre-echo, but that's not practical in a recording environment where the band might appreciate realtime feedback of how they sound. In fact, the DAWs that I've seen support either of those effects... well, I've only seen support through editor plugins. Probably because, despite being a relatively processor-light effect, it isn't practical in realtime, for the reasons I mentioned.
  
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4. Re: Yeah never mind that... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 06:06 · Score: 0
  
  then why does audacity have multitrack capabilities.
5. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-04 08:58 · Score: 0
  
  I know what a DAW is and how to use one. The entire point of my post flew over your head and you turds turned this into DAW's vs. Audacity which is ridiculous. But whatever pompous narcissists. You don't see me going around talking condescending about my knowledge of music production or my proficiency as a musician. I don't need to do that because I don't have a big ego like the rest of you.
  
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6. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-04 09:08 · Score: 1
  
  I don't have a big ego like the rest of you.
  Yup. Your ego is so not huge that you have to brag about how not huge it is like some egomaniac braggart.
  
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7. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-06 00:41 · Score: 0
  
  I don't have a big ego like the rest of you.
  Yup. Your ego is so not huge that you have to brag about how not huge it is like some egomaniac braggart.
  I am selfless enough to worship you as the epitomy of trolls. I bow in sheer awe to your level of proficiency.
  
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8. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-06 07:34 · Score: 1
  
  So wait, trying to correct someone's naive or incomplete understanding of a subject is trolling now? As if you've never done it yourself. Right?
  
  Talk about false idols, you choose to worship the trolling abilities of one who wasn't even trolling.
  
  Of course, as you said here:
  
  This is probably hard to grasp for the narcissists around here.
  It's probably a good thing you don't display an excessive interest in yourself. Certainly, you don't excessively admire your supposed lack of ego enough to brag about it here. No. Not at all.
  
  And we're back on the subject of irony.
  
  And now I'm trolling. But I'm also dead serious -- the general rule is that the first person to bring up ego has the biggest one in the room. You might want to get that checked out.
  
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9. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-07 00:27 · Score: 1
  
  Thank oh wise internet guru. I have seen the light. I shall now use your consciousness as a model for my existence so that I may be right with the universe once again. Thank you so much.
  
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10. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-07 02:45 · Score: 1
  
  Oooh, nice sarcasm, expertly done. But wait, let me get this straight, you have no ego to speak of, and you're certainly not a narcissist, but you're always right and anyone who tries to correct you is wrong, egotistical, and narcissistic?
  
  Sorry, brother, that's not how it works. I come here knowing full well that there are people here who know more about a lot of things than I do and I welcome them to improve my understanding of these topics. If you can't do that, I'm sorry to inform you that you are the one with the problem, not me. Don't look at this as an attack, because it's really not; I'm merely pointing out how you come across when you call everyone around you egotistical and narcissistic. It's called projection and I didn't have to look through your posting history for long to find several examples of it.
  
  A narcissistic egomaniac, such as you see to think I am, wouldn't have looked at you, being too busy looking at himself to do so.
  
  Food for thought, and I'm risking downmods to help you help yourself. You're welcome.
  
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11. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-07 05:04 · Score: 1
  
  Oooh, nice sarcasm, expertly done
  Wow... so you're clairvoyant then? You can read my mind? That is SO impressive. I wish I could learn how to do that. I'm afraid you afford too much cleverness. I am terrible at sarcasm. I see people weave sarcasm in such clever ways all the time but despite my best efforts, I am no good at doing it nor am I good at parsing it. I thank you for the complement though. I will try to aspire to your level of intelligence. You've really given me something to shoot for and I thank you so much for that. I really mean that from the bottom of my heart. I don't know why you can't just accept a genuine complement and gratitude. You seem to one to be confrontational towards me even though I'm extending the warmest regards in your direction. I am not sure why that is but rest assured. I'm so glad that I ran across you in my brief existence because you have affected me in such a positive way, I can't even begin to thank you enough.
  
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12. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-07 05:14 · Score: 1
  
  To be honest, I could go on like this until comments on this story get locked, and I would really and truly love to (no, seriously, look at my comment history, I would), but I have work to do today.
  
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13. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-07 05:17 · Score: 1
  
  To be honest, I could go on like this until comments on this story get locked, and I would really and truly love to (no, seriously, look at my comment history, I would), but I have work to do today.
  That is probably a very wise thing to do. I wouldn't want you to get fired over a trivial matter like this. By the way, you may want to investigate the topic of obsessive compulsive disorder, because it doesn't seem to take much to compel you to obsess over something. :) I've enjoyed meeting you. Best wishes to you, brother!
  
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14. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-07 05:21 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, I doubt I would fire myself, but thank you for the concern.
  
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15. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-07 05:31 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, I doubt I would fire myself, but thank you for the concern.
  Yes, you are better than me and everyone else. We concede this. Does that make you happy with yourself?
  
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16. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-07 05:54 · Score: 1
  
  You seem to be the only one here making that claim. But yes, I suppose I'm the one with the problem. Sorry, but no, you're the one going around telling people they have problems; I'm pointing out that, in your specific case -- because you have presented a pattern of doing this -- that you may actually have a problem. Me doing it once is very different from you presenting a pattern, my friend. Of course, I'm not qualified to diagnose, this is not medical advice, blah blah blah and all that, but your therapist, should you choose to see one, might come to a different conclusion about you than the therapist I saw after 3 years of being gaslighted by an abusive ex, who determined after a handful of visits that I have nothing to gain from therapy.
  
  That is to say I don't have a problem and I have the paperwork to prove it. Can you say the same?
  
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17. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-07 06:27 · Score: 1
  
  You seem to be the only one here making that claim. But yes, I suppose I'm the one with the problem. Sorry, but no, you're the one going around telling people they have problems; I'm pointing out that, in your specific case -- because you have presented a pattern of doing this -- that you may actually have a problem. Me doing it once is very different from you presenting a pattern, my friend. Of course, I'm not qualified to diagnose, this is not medical advice, blah blah blah and all that, but your therapist, should you choose to see one, might come to a different conclusion about you than the therapist I saw after 3 years of being gaslighted by an abusive ex, who determined after a handful of visits that I have nothing to gain from therapy.
  You've already pointed this out and by following you as an ideal example of a human being henceforth, I shall rid myself of all these maladies you describe. Thank you so much! I am SO grateful for you! Otherwise I would be lost forever.
  
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18. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-07 06:35 · Score: 1
  
  I dare say the ideal example of a human being would not have engaged you in the first place. Perhaps my ability to identify and admit my flaws does make me a better person?
  
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19. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-08 06:30 · Score: 1
  
  I dare say the ideal example of a human being would not have engaged you in the first place. Perhaps my ability to identify and admit my flaws does make me a better person?
  Tell me oh wise one, what is the best example to follow as a human being to be the best person one can be? What set of morals and beliefs result in the best possible human being?
  
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20. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-08 06:51 · Score: 1
  
  If I knew, I wouldn't continually be trying to improve myself. You seem to have struck just the right balance of trolling and entertaining to keep me engaged, so I'd say you haven't done too bad for yourself, despite your issues. That said, on the off chance that you're not trolling or, rather, to further feed you, perhaps the perpetual quest to become a better person is the best one can hope for. In your case, perhaps your goal should be to become a better troll; I know you think you've got me all worked up and steaming mad over here or whatever, but the reality is that I'm laughing at you as I write this. I've got enough frustration and annoyance in my life; if you were part of that, I wouldn't have engaged.
  
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21. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-08 07:02 · Score: 1
  
  If I knew, I wouldn't continually be trying to improve myself. You seem to have struck just the right balance of trolling and entertaining to keep me engaged, so I'd say you haven't done too bad for yourself, despite your issues.
  So, if one does not have a frame of reference by which to establish a yard stick to measure the value of another human being or evaluate them in general, how can one be so quick to pass judgment with such a powerful sense of certainty? By definition, you admit, you are not qualified to pass judgment yet you are quick to do so.
  
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22. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-08 07:08 · Score: 1
  
  Upon who did I pass judgment? I merely pointed out a pattern, with references. You're continuing the pattern, thereby further supporting my position.
  
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23. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-08 07:28 · Score: 1
  
  Upon who did I pass judgment? I merely pointed out a pattern, with references. You're continuing the pattern, thereby further supporting my position.
  Oh, this is rich. Now you want to play the word semantic game. You should just admit that all you're interested in is being right. The only reason I'm even entertaining continuing this conversation is more out of pure curiosity than anything. You see, I find your pattern of thinking quite curious. I'm examining you like a lab specimen. I have met plenty of people just like you and what I don't understand is why anyone would choose to be the way you are. I find it completely irrational and it seems to me you would suffer greatly from emotional mood swings and inner turmoil and those things I just don't particularly care for. You seem to have a great knack for manipulation and influence. I have to give you some props for that. Your skills in this area are exceptional compared to others. You're probably quite the negotiator and salesman. However, I'm guessing it is quite frustrating that you can't be one neuron in my brain to fire in any particular way that would like. Many skilled negotiators get really angry about that. At the end of day, I know myself really well and I choose what to think not you, not anyone else. I will listen but it is at my discretion what I choose to think. I don't for a second take any of your nonsense seriously. I've heard it all before. I've heard people try to convince me of all sorts of things and I've heard people try to do others in exactly the same manner.
  You know what's even more fascinating and I've run into these folks too. I know you want to be right. And I've conceded in every possible way that you're right. But you don't believe me. You are paranoid about my intentions and whether I'm being honest or not. It's quite hilarious. Are you enjoying that? As a result, you seem to want to continue to engage me in a high conflict way. You are, whether you know it or not, most likely a high conflict personality. For some reason, people like you seem to get off on conflict. You seem to be energized by it and stir it up as much as you possible can. It seems to be a thrill for you. I probably pose some type of bizarre challenge to see if you can get me rattled. That's just bullying and nothing more. Bullies are a dime a dozen.
  I mean just be honest, you do enjoy that don't you? If I could peer into your interpersonal relationships, unless you're a pathological liar, I think the odds would be that I would see a lot of this aspect in your life. And maybe you like it that way. Who knows. I don't know why anyone would but hey, what you do in your own life as long as it doesn't interfere with me, whatever floats your boat.
  I don't really care though. I know myself quite well. I am very well versed in psychology and cognitive science. You are obviously know a thing or two about psychology. I can tell by parts of this conversation. It's very apparent. It's too bad that you look outward at others when applying this knowledge rather than looking inward. But everyone gets a choice. I don't care.
  Ultimately, what I would ask you is what do you hope to achieve by behaving this way? Is there something I can help you achieve here so that you feel satisfied that you got whatever you felt you needed out of this interaction? I mean what would compel you to feel that this conversation has reached its conclusion?
  
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24. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-08 07:34 · Score: 1
  
  You should just admit that all you're interested in is being right.
  Indeed, I am. That's why I state my position, then listen to the positions of others, evaluate the facts and, when I'm shown that I was wrong, learn from it so I can be right next time.
  
  I didn't read the rest of your post.
  
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25. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-08 07:42 · Score: 1
  
  You should just admit that all you're interested in is being right.
  Indeed, I am. That's why I state my position, then listen to the positions of others, evaluate the facts and, when I'm shown that I was wrong, learn from it so I can be right next time. I didn't read the rest of your post.
  Well I sincerely thank you for being honest. I'm not surprised that you didn't read the rest of my post. You do strike me as a high D on the DISC profile. I also am high D but I've learned to be versatile. If you really want to use me as a sounding board seriously. If you want to level up, try to understand that there are multiple personality types and yours is not better or worse than any of the others, just different. Also, and this will help you in your negotiations and influence, empathy can be a valuable tool. If you learn to develop that along with other emotional intelligence skills, you could be one of the best CEO's ever. I'm just offering this to you because I've also pursued this and found it to be quite valuable.
  
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26. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-08 08:23 · Score: 1
  
  My dominance score is 51, yes. However, that's only a very small part of the picture. A proper DISC profile is more than just the scores. Here's an excerpt from mine:
  
  You are responsive to challenges in a practical, realistic and enthusiastic manner. You are a fact orientated person capable of providing help based on solid information. You are assertive, self-sufficient and individualistic. People are likely to perceive you as being rational and creative at the same time.
  That first bit there about being responsive to challenges, that's versatility my friend. I'm also no stranger to empathy, nor to the fact that there are multiple personality types. Some part of me believes that you already suspected as much, though.
  
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27. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-08 10:37 · Score: 1
  
  nor to the fact that there are multiple personality types. Some part of me believes that you already suspected as much, though.
  I stated that in the part of the longer post you declined to read. :) Our conversation is at an end. I am no longer interested in sharing knowledge in this conversation. I'm not saying this arrogantly but factually, you haven't presented any new information to me and by the sounds of it you're saying I haven't to you so I don't think there is much we can help each other with in terms of accumulating more knowledge. We must go on our respective journey's. Happy trails, friend. Best of luck to you.
  
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28. Re: Yeah never mind that... by BronsCon · 2017-11-08 11:18 · Score: 1
  
  I stated that in the part of the longer post you declined to read
  Actually, you stated it in the post immediately above the one you just replied to. ;)
  
  If you're done here because you think you've caught me in a lie, you should perhaps reconsider. If there's another reason, well, happy trails to you, as well.
  
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29. Re: Yeah never mind that... by zifn4b · 2017-11-09 04:38 · Score: 1
  
  I stated that in the part of the longer post you declined to read
  Actually, you stated it in the post immediately above the one you just replied to. ;) If you're done here because you think you've caught me in a lie, you should perhaps reconsider. If there's another reason, well, happy trails to you, as well.
  You think I care about your morals and ethics, that's cute. Whether you lie or not has no consequence to me therefore it is a waste of my time and energy to be concerned about that. That's your own problem. If you're happy with yourself, great. If not, well you know what to do. I don't really care what you choose to do with your existence though.
  Like I said, I only found you interesting as an opportunity to observe your behavior and thought process. Your personality type is something that I have great interest in understanding better. By having this conversation, you have helped me further my understanding of psychology and human behavior. I really appreciate that. Good luck, seriously. This really is my last response.
  
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Long Time User by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 03:35 · Score: 0

I've used Audacity for about ten years. Sometimes, I needed to search the Internet to solve some interface problems; but, otherwise, it works well. Why use FOSS? I never look at the source code (but I'm sure that all of you do - LOL!). I go for the price, not because I'm cheap, but because something as simple as this should be free. With high level languages, an elementary school student should be able to do something like this sometime in the future. If not, I'm sure his AI nanny would be able to.
1. Re:Long Time User by fisted · 2017-11-04 04:34 · Score: 1
  
  I never look at the source code (but I'm sure that all of you do - LOL!).
  I often look at FOSS projects' source code, especially when I feel the need to change something.
  Do you really think there are no programmers, like, at all?
  
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ORLY. SRSLY. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 03:42 · Score: 0

This is open source software at its finest. You just got playback support for MIDI files, something I think most audio power users would pretty much require to even think about using the software. I use Ableton for music production, and I can tell you, the feature I want the absolute least is theming. I don't give a flying rats ass what color the interface is. I'm a musician, not a graphic artist. I don't care. What I do care about is good low latency VST playback, and MIDI compatibility, the ability to import stems from NI, device compatibility and integration with MIDI control surfaces like the Push 2, and easy ways to map them, which is where Ableton just rocks.
Open Source, the world of 1000 different audio players that all have customized theming, and almost none of them can play the music files everybody else actually uses in the real world.
Re:ORLY. SRSLY. by BronsCon · 2017-11-04 05:14 · Score: 1

Hey, yo, I just thought I'd inform you that Audacity is something you would typically use to clean up Ableton's output. It's a different tool for a different purpose. MIDI isn't really a top-priority feature for this kind of tool and is more of a "DAW interfaces for previewing MIDI files suck, so let's make it a little easier to preview them by adding MIDI support to Audaciy" kind of thing.

Because, face it, previewing MIDI files in a DAW sucks.

When you're done working on a song, you've recorded your samples and vocals, arranged everything, added your effects, mixed it, and it still doesn't sound just right... what do you do?

You export individual tracks and finish the job in something like Audacity. That's what it's for -- to clean up messes your DAW doesn't even know it's making.

Using Ableton doesn't make you a professional; knowing what tools to use for every step of the production process does, though. And you clearly don't.

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Interface themes... really? by DulcetTone · 2017-11-04 05:21 · Score: 2

This app handles space characters typed into the "save file" dialog box as hot keys to commence playback of the audio in the underlying window. The entire app is full of similar errors, but interface themes leapt to the top of the list?

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1. Re:Interface themes... really? by DulcetTone · 2017-11-04 05:26 · Score: 1
  
  I downloaded 2.2.0 and they appear to have fixed the bug I cited. Not too shabby!
  
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No built-in MP3 support still? by zukakog · 2017-11-04 07:57 · Score: 1

Darn... I was hoping MP3 support would be included since the license isn't being enforced anymore.
1. Re:No built-in MP3 support still? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 10:13 · Score: 0
  
  I have a lot of MP3s to fix, from broken to needs to be combined, and split.
$5K a year? Nope. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 08:05 · Score: 1

Reaper is $50, and is valid for the next upgrade cycle too. Comes with MANY included VSTs. Need more VSTs? There are plenty out there that are free.
Does it finally support mp3 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-11-04 12:19 · Score: 0

Does Audacity finally support mp3 out of the box? All the underlying patents have expired some time ago already yet one still had to provide it's own mp3 encoder (why???).
Huh? by argStyopa · 2017-11-04 15:49 · Score: 1

Post a link to the CHANGELOG but not the software?
http://www.audacityteam.org/do...

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ITYM "Not SIgnificant" by RonVNX · 2017-11-05 02:44 · Score: 1

When the first two items of your "significant update" are about themes, your update is probably *not* significant.