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iPhone X Has the 'Most Innovative and High Performance' Smartphone Display Ever Tested (macrumors.com)

The display in the iPhone X is produced by Samsung and improved by Apple, says screen technology analysis firm DisplayMate. The company has released a display shoot-out for the iPhone X, praising Apple's technology in areas like the higher resolution OLED screen, automatic color management, viewing angle performance, and more. Mac Rumors reports: According to DisplayMate, the iPhone X has the "most innovative and high performance" smartphone display it has ever tested. DisplayMate also congratulated Samsung Display for "developing and manufacturing the outstanding OLED display hardware in the iPhone X." iPhone X matched or set new smartphone display records in the following categories: highest absolute color accuracy, highest full screen brightness for OLED smartphones, highest full screen contrast rating in ambient light, and highest contrast ratio. It also had the lowest screen reflectance and smallest brightness variation with a viewing angle. The iPhone X's 5.8-inch OLED display includes a taller height to width aspect ratio of 19.5:9, 22 percent larger than the 16:9 aspect ratio on previous iPhone models (and most other smartphones). Because of this DisplayMate noted that the iPhone X also has a new 2.5K higher resolution with 2436x1125 pixels and 458 pixels per inch. The iPhone X's display resolution provides "significantly higher image sharpness" than can be analyzed by a person with normal 20/20 vision at a 12-inch viewing distance. DisplayMate said this means that it's now "absolutely pointless" to increase the display resolution and pixels per inch of the iPhone any further, since there would be "no visual benefit" for users.

233 comments

  1. My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    had a better display...... it only lacked the NSA back doors.

    1. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny how the takeaway by most Tech sites from the recent hardware tests has been "it's the easiest to break out of any iPhone to date." But lo and behold, here's BHD with another anus kissing fanboy article full of fluff shit that nobody cares about.

    2. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Best ever compared to all the crap made by Apple before. Samsung already puts the best amoled displays in their stuff and have been for sometime now. Welcome to catching up Apple.

    3. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like gag me with a spoon

    4. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s a lot of self righteous ass work right rhere. I really enjoy computing and technology generally, so I like to have the best. Windows was never the best so I didnâ(TM)t go for it

    5. Re: My palm pilot by Thundercat007 · · Score: 1

      From the department of who cares. I certainly don't buy a phone because "it has the best display ever". That to me basically says "the display that'll suck my battery dry the fastest".

    6. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You begin that imbecilic rant with obvious generalizations and assertions that are incorrect then go on to fill it with more irrelevant ranting while completely ignoring the topic you apparently posted yourself. Once again Apple shows the rest of the industry how to do things properly and as such can charge what ever the fuck the Luke because no one else has a clue.

    7. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really funny? Or are you just bitter that you can't the best phone on the market?

    8. Re: My palm pilot by antek9 · · Score: 1

      'Brightest display ever tested' also is a blatant lie (or plainly ignorant) if you consider that the Note 8 already has double that brightness. In related news, I think it can be considered poetic justice that 'the most durable glass ever' (in Apple-speak) proves to be the most fragile and breakable ever in real world testing. Apple friends should remember this reality check whenever Tim Cook drops his infamous superlatives from now on.

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    9. Re: My palm pilot by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Yea I want reviews give praises to my phone! Not theirs. I want confirmation bias to my favor. Because I put thought in what device I want to have and I had weighed the pros and cons and made my decision. How dare someone else make a different choice! They must be paid off or just stupid. Because these benefits were all about the features that I had decided I didn’t need as much compared to other features and benefits.

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    10. Re: My palm pilot by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Apple, Samsung and Google are making competing products for the same user base where they are trying to make the ultimate premium phone. The other makers are trying to either make gaming phones, or inexpensive phones. Or phones with extra ports or add on parts.

      Apple and Samsung are the luxury car market thus they are compared against.
      While some good devices are more like sports cars which may perform faster but has less features. Or some will be like pickup trucks that can do a heck of a lot but may be large and bulky.

      Just because the Apple iPhone X is getting good reviews and it isn’t suffering from a something gate yet. Doesn’t mean you need to buy it you can get an other device and still had made a good purchase because your needs are different.

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    11. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The truly bizzare stuff is complimenting using a different aspect ratio like that's somehow magical. "22% higher!" -- you'd have to be high to consider that a good benchmark. Then complimenting the resolution as if there's some magic at work -- 4k phones have existed for a few years, and the general response has been "why do we need those?" As for view angle, has this been a problem at any point in the past 5 years?

      There's nothing wrong with being an apple fan -- my first smart device of the post-2007 era was an apple because they got a lot of stuff right that palm and windows CE did not -- but give props for stuff thats real.

      These kudos sound like a parody they're so ridiculous.

    12. Re: My palm pilot by jeremyp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple can't compete against a broad and open market.

      In the Smartphone market, two players make more than 100% of the profit (meaning all the rest together make a collective loss). One of those is Apple and it makes the most profit out of smartphones. Sounds to me like it is competing very well.

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    13. Re: My palm pilot by swillden · · Score: 1

      In the Smartphone market, two players make more than 100% of the profit (meaning all the rest together make a collective loss).

      Cite? I often see this claim on slashdot, and I've been seeing it for years. I find it hard to believe that all of those other smartphone makers have stayed in a market in which they lose money every year.

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    14. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple and Samsung are the luxury car market thus they are compared against.

      Funny how they both have a marketshare larger than any mass market car maker. Google not so much.

    15. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Brightest display ever tested' also is a blatant lie (or plainly ignorant) if you consider that the Note 8 already has double that brightness

      RTFA, you fucktard. The note 8 has brighter spots, the iPhone X has the brightest screen overall.

    16. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When are you morons going to actually research this? The Note 8 has 1240 nits when 1% of the display is illuminated, it will eventually burn into the screen - like, in minutes. The actual real world brightness of the Note 8 is about 30 less than the iPhone X. It's not a lie, you've just been misled and misinformed by a disingenuous claim about screen brightness.

    17. Re: My palm pilot by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Even at $1000 for a device it is still affordable for most people to purchase without making major sacrifices in their life.

      How many of you get the brand name food at the market and skip the cheaper by $0.10 store brand. Just because you know you get a little bit more quality and consistency with the named brand. And the decision may only add a few more bucks to your grocery bill.

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    18. Re: My palm pilot by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Once again Apple shows the rest of the industry how to do things properly and as such can charge what ever the fuck the Luke because no one else has a clue.

      Thank you for demonstrating how Apple shows the rest of the industry how to do autocorrect properly. Would you like to buy a vowel?

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    19. Re: My palm pilot by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      Hey genius, you're the one making an "us vs them" post. How efficient to instantly invalidate your own argument.

      People with any sense recognize that the whole Apple / Android thing is good for everyone because it creates competition.

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    20. Re: My palm pilot by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Is it really funny? Or are you just bitter that you can't the best phone on the market?

      I can the best phone on the market!

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    21. Re: My palm pilot by torkus · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure this came up in a year when Nokia took a massive write-off or something.

      Agreed, smaller players are not taking year-on-year losses and staying in the game. It's just more nonsense click-bait headlines that turned into "truth" once again.

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    22. Re: My palm pilot by torkus · · Score: 1

      It's all relative to the particular test, grouping, and similar.

      Brightest ever tested...until they test something else that's brighter that they hadn't tested yet. Kind of like how the remote is always found in the last place you look.

      Most durable glass ever. For an iphone. Or for a 5+ inch phone. Or for a given thickness, on a phone, in the US, sold for $999 and waterproof from everything but Steve Jobs' tears.

      Anyone who takes what review sites post at surface value is an idiot. They might as well buy the toothbrush that 4 of 5 dentists recommend.

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    23. Re: My palm pilot by swillden · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure this came up in a year when Nokia took a massive write-off or something.

      Agreed, smaller players are not taking year-on-year losses and staying in the game. It's just more nonsense click-bait headlines that turned into "truth" once again.

      Yep. As always, though, the clickbait-based post is at +5, while mine is probably going to be downmodded.

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    24. Re: My palm pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.strategyanalytics.com/strategy-analytics/news/strategy-analytics-press-releases/strategy-analytics-press-release/2016/11/22/strategy-analytics-apple-captures-record-91-percent-share-of-global-smartphone-profits-in-q3-2016#.WgONwLCnGqA

  2. Cock swallow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HD

  3. Adblock Needs Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like Slashdot defeats Adblock quite easily.

  4. Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau.... by Puls4r · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Yeah. So Apple has the greatest display tech..... that their biggest competitor (Samsung) makes. But wait... Apple 'improves' that technology.

    Writing's on the wall. Apple's done. The only thing keeping them alive is lock-in technologies and their walled garden, and that'll die out eventually as Samsung surpasses them in every technology avenue. Because Samsung actually makes their own products, and Apple GIVES AWAY every last bit of their research because they can't make their own.

    Outsourcing manufacturing fails every, single, time. You give away your technology, teach others to make it, and then get yourself toasted as they figure out how to make it better, cheaper, faster, or just copy it so they don't have to pay for an R&D budget.

  5. Um, yeah. How about no by Snotnose · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    The display is what it is. The doohickey driving that display, now that's a different story. Typically you will get a doohickey that can drive several displays, along with some sample code of how to do stuff. The sample code is pretty basic, mostly showing off "this is our new feature, please buy lots of these please please please".

    Of course Apple made the display look better. Not because of the display itself, but because of the doohickey that drives the display. The doohickey that was shipped with barely functional, um, functions.

    Not saying the display can't be a differentiator, just saying the video driver plays a much more important part. After all, it's the video driver that enables/enhances the special features of the display.

  6. Interesting choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ars Technica stories of any note invariably end up here, but instead of running iPhone X is the "most breakable iPhone", they ran with this slashvertisement instead.

    BeauHD could have at least added the display is the most "innovative in fragility" as a secondary story.

    Tentatively posting, critical AC posts have been removed lately, their post number 404'd.

    1. Re:Interesting choice by lucm · · Score: 2

      critical AC posts have been removed lately, their post number 404'd.

      Yes that's typical Beauhd.

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    2. Re:Interesting choice by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Compared to what phones. There are some phones built like a tank. While the iPhone 4,5,8 and 10 have a front and back glass panels. Also these new devises are bigger. So there is more room for breakage. It can still be the strongest glass but still be damaged.
      Also as of not these were not real world tests. They were rigged tests for reproducibility.

      Normally there is a balance between flexibility and hardness. A screen that will not easily shatter is also more likely to be scratched.

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    3. Re:Interesting choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eight excuses. Impressive, but misguided.

  7. higher resolution by roc97007 · · Score: 0

    'DisplayMate said this means that it's now "absolutely pointless" to increase the display resolution and pixels per inch of the iPhone any further, since there would be "no visual benefit" for users.'

    But they'll do it anyway, because how else are they going to sell users on the iPhone XI?

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    1. Re:higher resolution by omnichad · · Score: 1

      But they'll do it anyway, because how else are they going to sell users on the iPhone XI?

      It sounds like they'll do it by turning the specs up to 11. Which is completely pointless.

    2. Re:higher resolution by imgod2u · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depends on your usage scenario.

      I got the Daydream from Google and tried using it with my GS7. The resolution needs to increase at least 4x for it to be anywhere near realistic.

      For using it as just a smartphone, I absolutely agree we've reached Peak Pixel.

  8. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fanboiz idiot - "the video driver plays a much more important part"... It's important, not necessarily much more tard. Go hook that much more important video driver to your lcd of the 90s that could change state about once per second in the cold.

  9. It costs $1,000 by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    That is 1/50th of my annual salary working in IT In Silicon Valley!

    1. Re:It costs $1,000 by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      That's 1/200th of my annual salary working in IT outside Silicon Valley!

    2. Re:It costs $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax, he was making fun of cdreimer

    3. Re:It costs $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The display only costs like $600.

      To repair, when you inevitably break it, because just about any drop will destroy the touch components of the display, making it useless.

      The phone is so incredibly fragile that just about any drop will require repairs, even as low as three feet. It's literally made of glass.

    4. Re:It costs $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The second most recognized name on Slashdot is making fun of the third most recognized name on Slashdot. What a joke. APK must be laughing his ass off.

    5. Re:It costs $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inevitably break the screen? Strangely enough, I have owned three cell phones so far and two laptops and about five monitors. I have never broken the screen of any of them. I have rarely heard of anybody breaking a screen.

      You must be extraordinarily clumsy or chronically drunk/high or just using a phony straw-man argument. I think it's the latter.

    6. Re:It costs $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand how incredibly fragile tests have shown the iPhone X to be.

      You don't even have to drop it enough to crack the glass, merely dropping it can be enough to destroy the ability for the phone to see touch gestures required to wake it up (since you have to swipe from the edge, because there is no home button). Knocking it off a desk will destroy it. Dropping it while taking it out of your pocket will destroy it. Looking at it from the wrong angle will destroy it.

      Also, while I personally have never cracked a phone screen, I find it impossible to believe you only rarely hear of people cracking screens. You see cracked phones ALL THE TIME. Unless you literally live on your own and never leave your house, ... oh, right, this is Slashdot. Never mind.

    7. Re:It costs $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if you are not on slashdot.

    8. Re: It costs $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's about 1/240th of my salary. (Not counting other investments, sales, raises or external income).

      I still won't buy one. Phones just don't last that long. There are far too many devices that will reasonably meet my needs for far less.

    9. Re:It costs $1,000 by guacamole · · Score: 1

      If you're making 50K working in IT in Silicon Valley, you should pack your stuff and move to another state. Why?

      1. If you're making just 50K in SV, clearly you have not succeeded at this IT game and

      2. Living on 50K in SV is almost as tough at living on a graduate student's stipend of 15K some place in midwest.

    10. Re:It costs $1,000 by antek9 · · Score: 1

      I have never cracked a screen, either, but all my colleagues' iPhones are ornamented by spiderweb cracks. Not surprising if you consider how people are holding their smartphones nowadays, in front of their mouths, gripping them at the bottom only with the top angling away. Just one bump in the road or a little push from a fellow pedestrian, and DOWN it goes.

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    11. Re:It costs $1,000 by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Dude you are getting ripped off at your job if you work in Silicon Valley for 50k.
      You probably should find a job somewhere cheaper where 50k can give you a middle class life style.

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    12. Re:It costs $1,000 by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I have seen other durability tests where the iPhone X outperform others as well. Now it is still an electronic device with large glass panels. So don’t be using it like it is a harden steal wrench (spanner for these across the pond)

      That said the last screen I had broke was from an old candy bar shaped phone I got in 1998. I had broke that plastic screen in 2002 after bumping it slightly on a corner table.

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    13. Re:It costs $1,000 by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      So they are holding it wrong?

    14. Re:It costs $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No love for Bennett Haselton?

    15. Re:It costs $1,000 by awyeah · · Score: 1

      I really wish I had points to mod this up. Well-played.

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  10. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Snotnose · · Score: 1, Troll

    fanboiz idiot - "the video driver plays a much more important part"... It's important, not necessarily much more tard. Go hook that much more important video driver to your lcd of the 90s that could change state about once per second in the cold.

    Up until about 8 years ago my job was to get video drivers and displays working well together with various baseband chips. Did that for 4 years for a major phone maker. I kinda think I know what I'm talking about.

  11. So basically by viperidaenz · · Score: 0

    Congratulations Apple, for buying and re-selling Samsung hardware.

    1. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      They improved it - they stuck an apple logo on it

    2. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      If it's that easy then why doesn't a Samsung phone have the the best smartphone display according to DisplayMate? Maybe there might have been some improvements made by Apple. Also it might be the case that Samsung as very large corporation with different markets and divisions might not have total synergy and cooperation across different divisions.

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    3. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If it's that easy then why doesn't a Samsung phone have the the best smartphone display according to DisplayMate?

      They have. For years, Samsung had the best display on its own phone. It just didn't made Slashdot headlines because it wasn't Apple.

    4. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      They have. For years, Samsung had the best display on its own phone. It just didn't made Slashdot headlines because it wasn't Apple.

      And it also gave Apple iPhone 7 the best LCD display in previous years. But you've missed my point: Why would Apple have the best Samsung display over Samsung phones?

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    5. Re:So basically by gravewax · · Score: 2

      like anything else in phones and hardware. It is a leapfrog situation that is dependent on when it is released, the IPhone X is the newest device so will have the latest iteration, I would expect the Samsung phone due in feb/march will be as good or better.

    6. Re:So basically by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 2

      If it's that easy then why doesn't a Samsung phone have the the best smartphone display according to DisplayMate? Maybe there might have been some improvements made by Apple. Also it might be the case that Samsung as very large corporation with different markets and divisions might not have total synergy and cooperation across different divisions.

      Because their hatred and fanboism will not allow them to acknowledge that Apple actually does have something to do with engineering this stuff. If it was all off the shelf tech then, as you suggest, anyone could build “the best display we’ve ever tested”.

    7. Re:So basically by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Why would Apple have the best Samsung display over Samsung phones?

      Because it's more profitable for Samsung to do so?

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    8. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wouldn't it?

      The display is a combination of hardware and software. It's not just the final OLED panel, it's also the video chipset (something that Apple have poured massive amounts of research into), and the colour calibration software (something which is explicitly called out as excellent in the article).

      Finally, what makes you think that Samsung would put the best display they could make on their phones? Samsung sell plenty of phones, not all of them have the same display - clearly they don't think that they need to put the absolute best display on every phone they ship. It's entirely plausible that they chose a somewhat lower end part for their phone than the one Apple specced into theirs. Why would that be weird?

    9. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that it would profit Samsung more to sell a component to Apple that the best instead of using it within the same company to drive sales of their smartphones? I just want to be clear that's what you're saying.

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    10. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Your assertion relies on the assumption that this display is in fact the latest that Samsung could offer to anyone. Also you are kinda ignoring that the Galaxy Note 8 was only released 1 month prior to the iPhone X

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    11. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Finally, what makes you think that Samsung would put the best display they could make on their phones?

      Because then the your premise is that Samsung doesn't want to put the best components in their phones.

      Samsung sell plenty of phones, not all of them have the same display - clearly they don't think that they need to put the absolute best display on every phone they ship.

      I never said that they need to put the best display in every single phone. I said why wouldn't Samsung have the best display in their phone namely their flagship phone.

      It's entirely plausible that they chose a somewhat lower end part for their phone than the one Apple specced into theirs. Why would that be weird?

      It would mean that you are saying Samsung doesn't always use the best parts.

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    12. Re:So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that it would profit Samsung more to sell a component to Apple that the best instead of using it within the same company to drive sales of their smartphones? I just want to be clear that's what you're saying.

      High-end components have better margin. Apple sell more high-end phones compared to Samsung, so yes, selling high-end components through Apple is more profitable than selling them through the S and Note lines.

    13. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they didn't.

    14. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      High-end components have better margin. Apple sell more high-end phones compared to Samsung, so yes, selling high-end components through Apple is more profitable than selling them through the S and Note lines.

      The major flaw in your premise is that nothing says that Samsung Display division must only sell the best displays to one and only one customer.

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    15. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no I would think it is more based on the assumption that the note is more niche in there market space while the headline phone isn't due for a new iteration till march.

    16. Re:So basically by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it's that easy then why doesn't a Samsung phone have the the best smartphone display according to DisplayMate? Maybe there might have been some improvements made by Apple. Also it might be the case that Samsung as very large corporation with different markets and divisions might not have total synergy and cooperation across different divisions.

      Actually, it's because Samsung prefers to have a vibrant display over an accurate one. OLEDs are known for awesome saturated colors, and Samsung capitalizes heavily on that.

      The problem is, if you go for that, while images "pop", they also get horribly inaccurate - reds can be too red, for example. Likewise, it's also often too blue. So Samsung may make the displays, but they don't really calibrate them on their devices. They pretty much exploit it to give you those super-saturated colors at the expense of color accuracy and gamut.

      So a Samsung phone will "pop", but take a few photos and things look off. You can set them into sRGB mode, but then they look horrible.

      Apple chose to make the Samsung display less saturated, and more accurate. Since OLEDs naturally have an increased color gamut, they enabled switching between sRGB and DCI-P3 gamuts, so you can have your wide HDR video gamuts but not sacrifice color accuracy.

      Add to that decreased reflectance (i.e., how much glare), and color shift/color decrease as you increase viewing angle and those measures are what is being objectively measured. Samsung may very well have all those attributes, but their color inaccuracy is what killed them.

      I would expect if you compared an iPhone X and an Samsung S8 together, the S8 screen will seem more "vibrant" and "pop" over the iPhone's screen. It'll be very pretty but super-saturated colors can make photos look unrealistic so a few photos will leave something to be desired.

      And yes, Samsung has had OLED screens for years. The problem for Apple has always been availability - Samsung likely could not handle the volume of iPhone orders until this year - it takes time to ramp up, and the iPhone X will pretty much demand Samsung produce twice as many screens as they ever needed. (There aren't many manufacturers of OLED screen making equipment, and of them, they can only produce about 3 machines a year. Apple probably has had to purchase their entire output for several years running so Samsung would be able to even have the manufacturing capacity to make another 80+M screens a year, up from 80+M screens a year).

    17. Re:So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      High-end components have better margin. Apple sell more high-end phones compared to Samsung, so yes, selling high-end components through Apple is more profitable than selling them through the S and Note lines.

      The major flaw in your premise is that nothing says that Samsung Display division must only sell the best displays to one and only one customer.

      Well, you did ask "sell a component to Apple that the best instead of using it within the same company"

    18. Re:So basically by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The complexity of business. Samsung OLED display unit isn’t in competition with Apple, Apple is actually their #1 customer. Apple will give them specs and engineering designs which they may be contractual set to not share with its own phone units. So Samsung cannot use Apples specs for their phone. So Samsung phone unit will need to come up with its own specs and have their OLED display unit make it for them.
      Samsung advantage is that it is the same company they can have these displays a bit cheaper.

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    19. Re:So basically by rat_herder · · Score: 1

      He's getting socratic on you. Trying to get you (and others) to understand that as Apple has been saying, although Samsung manufactured the display, they did so to Apples specifications. Combined with the hardware and software in the completed iPhone, the result is superior to the completed product that Samsung themselves ship.

    20. Re:So basically by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Big companies are often not at all joined up and often consider different divisions as competitors, not part of the same company. Quite often large companies are internally highly dysfunctional.

      For instance, when I worked for IBM some years ago, we needed a display (basically a standalone monitor) for a system we were selling to an Extremely Large Competitor. IBM made just the display we needed itself, but they would only sell it to us - another IBM division - at full retail price, so we ended up using a competitor's display instead.

    21. Re:So basically by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      DisplayMate compared the calibrated screen in the iPhone to the uncalibrated screen in the Note 8.

      FTA: "What makes the iPhone X the Best Smartphone Display is the impressive Precision Display Calibration Apple developed"

      I'd be surprised if a calibrated Note 8 screen would fare much differently.

    22. Re:So basically by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The Apple "improvements" aren't to the screen, those are the same as the ones that Samsung makes for itself and anyone else willing to pay. The "improvement" is that they added multiple ambient light sensors that adjust the screen white balance to give more accurate colours in different lighting conditions.

      Of course, most users don't want accurate colours, they want popping colours and high contrast. When Google made accurate colours the default on the Pixel 2 people complained that it was too dull and flat looking.

      Plus, most images are not designed for accurate settings, e.g. on the web and in apps. So Apple uses the exciting mode most of the time, only switching to accurate colours when apps request it. Again, Android supports that too, although interestingly Chrome doesn't take advantage of it while Firefox does.

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    23. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      The best LCD. OLED is not LCD. The Galaxy S7 was "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested."
      http://www.displaymate.com/Gal...

      Until they tested the exploding Note 7. Despite its battery flaws, its display was even better:

      http://www.displaymate.com/Gal...

      And more recently, the Galaxy S8 beat that score:

      http://www.displaymate.com/Gal...

    24. Re:So basically by jittles · · Score: 1

      It would mean that you are saying Samsung doesn't always use the best parts.

      I can guarantee you that they don't. I can also guarantee that Apple does not, either. See the way it works in a business is that stakeholders for a project sit down and figure out the specifications needed to make that product successful. Once they have made those decisions, they build the product according to those specifications. They do not seek out parts and suppliers that are able to grossly exceed those specifications if it causes an increase in cost. Even if the cost increase is only $0.10 they would not pay for the most expensive part when they're planning on using millions of units of those parts. If every company used the absolute best parts they could get their hands on, you would not be able to afford the products they're selling. It would greatly limit your choices and purchasing power. It could also greatly decrease their profit margins.

      That's not even taking into consideration the fact that they were probably able to stick the R&D costs of this display on Apple and will be able to use that R&D money to enhance their own products in the future.

      Also you are not taking into consideration the fact that Samsung's flagship phone went into production almost a year ago so that they could meet their March release date. It's quite possible that this screen technology was not ready when Samsung started production in 2016.

    25. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      No, I asked if the other poster was saying that. The whole quote was: "So you're saying that it would profit Samsung more to sell a component to Apple that the best instead of using it within the same company to drive sales of their smartphones?

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    26. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Also to understand that Apple doesn't exactly have an overwhelming advantage when it comes to Samsung components when competing with Samsung. I'm pretty sure Samsung Displays division isn't forced to sell their best displays only to Apple. The question then is why does Apple have the best display (made by Samsung) and why doesn't Samsung smartphones also have the same display.

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    27. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And what forbade IBM from selling that display to anyone willing to buy it? Nothing. That was my point. Apple using a display from Samsung does not preclude Samsung from using the same display. Or maybe Apple did apply some engineering to make the display better. That buying a part and putting it into a product isn't enough.

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    28. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I can guarantee you that they don't. I can also guarantee that Apple does not, either. See the way it works in a business is that stakeholders for a project sit down and figure out the specifications needed to make that product successful. Once they have made those decisions, they build the product according to those specifications. They do not seek out parts and suppliers that are able to grossly exceed those specifications if it causes an increase in cost. Even if the cost increase is only $0.10 they would not pay for the most expensive part when they're planning on using millions of units of those parts. If every company used the absolute best parts they could get their hands on, you would not be able to afford the products they're selling. It would greatly limit your choices and purchasing power. It could also greatly decrease their profit margins.

      Again, I'm not saying Samsung should use the best parts for every single model of phone. I'm asking why Samsung didn't use the best display for their flagship phone if it's that easy just to stick in a part. Or is the process of using a part involve engineering and optimization, perhaps?

      Also you are not taking into consideration the fact that Samsung's flagship phone went into production almost a year ago so that they could meet their March release date. It's quite possible that this screen technology was not ready when Samsung started production in 2016.

      The Note 8 was released 6 weeks before the iPhone X. Samsung maintains multiple lines of "flagship phone". The S8 was released in March.

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    29. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And what do you base that assumption? Samsung seems to maintain at least two lines of "flagship phone": the S and the Note. One has pen and is bigger and one does not and is slightly smaller.

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    30. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You missed the point. If all it took to get "best display" was buying a display, why doesn't a Samsung phone have at least tied score with the iPhone X? For example, the Note 8 only came out 6 weeks before the iPhone X. Or maybe there is some engineering to be done.

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    31. Re:So basically by jittles · · Score: 1

      The Note 8 was released 6 weeks before the iPhone X. Samsung maintains multiple lines of "flagship phone". The S8 was released in March.

      The Note 8 is NOT a flagship phone. Just go ahead and Google "Samsung Flagship phone" and you'll see that people are all talking about the S8 and the upcoming S9. No one mentions the Note 8. And you know Samsung is not going to take risks with the Note 8 after the absolute bath they took on the Note 7

    32. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Maybe Samsung produced homeopathic quantities of iPhone X displays they are selling to Apple for a high price.
      Maybe even Samsung think the difference is not worth the extra price, so that display was not included in their Note 8. It's not as if it was day and night between the two.
      Samsung had the best display for years, beating Apple for all the recent years. Now, Apple may have a slight edge from November 2017 onwards, but I expect Samsung to take back the crown in April with their next flagship. Maybe Apple wanted to have the crown for a few months as a condition to switch to Samsung displays.

      There are many different explanations, most of which do not include any engineering on Apple's side.

    33. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      DisplayMate compared the calibrated screen in the iPhone to the uncalibrated screen in the Note 8.

      Please show me in the DisplayMate analysis of the Note 8 where what you say is true. It doesn't appear in the iPhone X analysis as them comparing anything to the Note 8. In the both analyses, both phones are tested under the same calibration modes.

      FTA: "What makes the iPhone X the Best Smartphone Display is the impressive Precision Display Calibration Apple developed"

      Um, no. What the author actually wrote: "Apple's display is the best because of the calibration of their phones." What you read: "We cheated by calibrating the iPhone X and not the Note 8." Please read the Note 8 analysis again. What the author is talking about is probably the calibration to the standards as not all phones/manufacturers have the same settings or goals. Nowhere does the author mention they had to perform some sort of special calibration per Apple's instructions.

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    34. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Of course, most users don't want accurate colours, they want popping colours and high contrast. When Google made accurate colours the default on the Pixel 2 people complained that it was too dull and flat looking.

      Some users don't want accurate colors. I would be you that a professional would.

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    35. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Maybe even Samsung think the difference is not worth the extra price, so that display was not included in their Note 8. It's not as if it was day and night between the two.,

      How do you know that the price difference were in the displays? The price difference at retail of the phones is about $100 ($999 vs $899) but you can get the Note 8 cheaper. The iPhone X does have basically a miniaturized Kinect module that the Note 8 doesn't so that adds to their cost. But what I do know they were both tested by DisplayMate and they decided the iPhone X is better.

      Samsung had the best display for years, beating Apple for all the recent years. Now, Apple may have a slight edge from November 2017 onwards, but I expect Samsung to take back the crown in April with their next flagship. Maybe Apple wanted to have the crown for a few months as a condition to switch to Samsung displays.

      Again my point is not that Apple has a display that Samsung doesn't in a false dichotomy. My point is that Samsung doesn't ALSO have the same display and hence title. Or maybe buying a part and sticking it into your phone isn't all it takes to get the most out of a part?

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    36. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1
      I did and results disagree with you.

      Much of the attention over the last month may have been around Apple's new iPhones. But Samsung recently launched a beast of a flagship smartphone that goes head to head with the best from Apple. After a couple of weeks trying it out, here's how we found the Galaxy Note 8.

      As 2017 draws to a close, it's a good time to take stock of the current state of the smartphone market by examining the vital statistics of leading vendors' flagship handsets. Apple's iPhone 8, 8 Plus and X, Samsung's Galaxy S8/S8+ and Galaxy Note 8. . .

      Samsung Electronics said Thursday it was planning to launch in the second half of this year a new flagship phone, leading to speculation that the company is planning an alternative to the ill-fated Galaxy Note7 that had to be recalled last year.

      The launch of a new flagship smartphone this year and continuing sales of the Galaxy S8 and S8+ will help Samsung counter Apple’s launch of a new version of its iPhone. Apple usually unveils new phones in September.

      Samsung does announce a S series phone in the first half of the year and a Note series in the second half," said Kiranjeet Kaur, research manager for client devices at IDC Asia/Pacific.

      Samsung makes 2 flagship phones a year whereas Apple only release one. It's been this way for years. Unfortunately for Samsung last year's Note 7 was problematic.

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    37. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      How do you know that the price difference were in the displays?

      I never talked about the total price of the phone. Apple has insanely high profit margins on iPhones, so that alone may explain why the iPhone X is $100 more expensive.
      What I meant is that of all the displays Samsung can make, the best one is probably the most expensive. Maybe Samsung decided it wasn't worth it to invest $X to get a better display in their Note 8, because it wouldn't result in significantly more sales.

      Or maybe buying a part and sticking it into your phone isn't all it takes to get the most out of a part?

      It's a possibility. I'd say a lot less probable than every other possibility I mentioned in my previous posts.

    38. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I never talked about the total price of the phone.

      But how do you know that the component was in fact more expensive. All we can gauge the relative cost is the total cost of the product. And the iPhone X is $100 more expensive overall.

      Apple has insanely high profit margins on iPhones, so that alone may explain why the iPhone X is $100 more expensive.

      Wouldn't adding in a Kinect module increase the cost of the iPhone X? Also this introduces a false dichotomy that the profit margins on the Note 8 are not "insanely high". Samsung overall has lower profit margins than Apple on phones, but Samsung makes many more models and targets more segments some of which are lower profit.

      What I meant is that of all the displays Samsung can make, the best one is probably the most expensive. Maybe Samsung decided it wasn't worth it to invest $X to get a better display in their Note 8, because it wouldn't result in significantly more sales.

      But you don't know for sure that the iPhone X display was actually more expensive than the Note 8 display. All we know is that the iPhone X was rated better. The facts that we do know: the Note 8 display is larger, curved, and has a higher resolution and DPI. All of those would add to the cost. The iPhone X display is irregular with the notch at the top which adds to the cost. On paper I wouldn't know which would be more expensive. Maybe the notch at the top would make it more expensive; however, the notch doesn't affect the performance and color accuracy metrics that DisplayMate tested

      It's a possibility. I'd say a lot less probable than every other possibility I mentioned in my previous posts.

      I'd say it's more than likely considering that Samsung engineers had a larger, higher DPI display to work with than Apple. As well as them working within the same company.

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    39. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Maybe Samsung was able to produce a higher resolution panel with worse color reproduction characteristics and they chose that for the Note 8. Maybe they could have chosen the iPhone X panel for a lower cost and they still preferred the Note 8 one.

      But chances are Apple had nothing to do with what makes that panel so great in displaymate's opinion. Just like my Dell monitor has the same performance no matter what type of PC I connect to it.

    40. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      But chances are Apple had nothing to do with what makes that panel so great in displaymate's opinion.

      So Apple choosing to calibrate their display for more color accuracy and performance had nothing to do with it? From what I've seen Samsung phones are calibrated for more vibrant color. At times it's over-saturated. It looks better but it's not as accurate. That's why DisplayMate said they have the best display as they actually test for color accuracy.

      Just like my Dell monitor has the same performance no matter what type of PC I connect to it.

      It does if your one PC has a better video card. It also depends on what each PC has set in their monitor calibration settings.

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    41. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      So Apple choosing to calibrate their display for more color accuracy and performance had nothing to do with it?

      It shouldn't. Scores shouldn't be awarded on calibration. And what do you mean by "performance"?
      Anyways, it's the first time in years that Apple can beat Samsung according do DisplayMate. And this is by using a Samsung display.
      So despite their poor color accuracy, Samsung phones had better displays for years.

      From what I've seen Samsung phones are calibrated for more vibrant color. At times it's over-saturated. It looks better but it's not as accurate.

      So which is it, the display or the software?

      It does if your one PC has a better video card.

      No. That was my point. The video card and the rest of the PC doesn't matter. It's a digital connection. If my PC tells the monitor to turn on pixel #42 with color code 1234, then the display should do so no matter which video card I use. And by default I believe it does.

      It also depends on what each PC has set in their monitor calibration settings.

      They are settings. They should be adjustable. And it should be possible to get the exact same image from two different PCs by using the same settings.

    42. Re:So basically by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      My apologies, you are correct. It seems I have misunderstood the article. The iPhone was indeed calibrated out of the factory and not by DisplayMate.

      The Note 8 display may still prove to be calibratable to the same level of accuracy, however.

    43. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't. Scores shouldn't be awarded on calibration. And what do you mean by "performance"?

      Please read the DisplayMate test. DisplayMate tested for color accuracy. It appears Apple calibrated their phones for better accuracy. Thus it was awarded more points. That seems logical to me.

      Anyways, it's the first time in years that Apple can beat Samsung according do DisplayMate.

      Because this is the first OLED that Apple has used. DisplayMate can't compare LCD and OLED displays. That wouldn't be an apple to apple comparison would it?

      And this is by using a Samsung display. So despite their poor color accuracy, Samsung phones had better displays for years.

      You missed the point and introduce another false dichotomy. No one has said Samsung displays has poor color accuracy. What DisplayMate says is that the iPhone X currently has the best OLED display and the display was made by Samsung. I'm arguing that (and confirmed somewhat by DisplayMate) that this was due to how Apple calibrated the display. It's the same point I've made multiple times.

      No. That was my point. The video card and the rest of the PC doesn't matter. It's a digital connection. If my PC tells the monitor to turn on pixel #42 with color code 1234, then the display should do so no matter which video card I use. And by default I believe it does.

      I'm pretty sure if you set your PC's monitor refresh rate to 25Hz, it would affect the monitor's display. For most monitors, setting the wrong color management profile doesn't have much of an effect--unless you are going for color accuracy then it's going to be off which in the case of DisplayMate was the exact thing they were testing.

      They are settings. They should be adjustable. And it should be possible to get the exact same image from two different PCs by using the same settings.

      You missed the point: The iPhone X isn't exactly the same as a Note 8 or an iPhone 8. That's the difference.

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    44. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Because this is the first OLED that Apple has used. DisplayMate can't compare LCD and OLED displays. That wouldn't be an apple to apple comparison would it?

      They did. They are both displays and can be compared. The iPhone 7 had a great LCD, but OLED displays on the Note 7 and Galaxy S7 were better displays, overall, according to them.

      I'm pretty sure if you set your PC's monitor refresh rate to 25Hz, it would affect the monitor's display.

      Duh, of course, and the resolution as well. But two PCs with a 60 Hz refresh rate and identical resolution will display the same colors on a given monitor.

      unless you are going for color accuracy then it's going to be off which in the case of DisplayMate was the exact thing they were testing.

      So they are testing a software setting?

      You missed the point: The iPhone X isn't exactly the same as a Note 8 or an iPhone 8. That's the difference.

      Of course. But a Note 8 should be able to output to an iPhone 8 display just like both of them can output to an external monitor/TV.
      What's your point again?

    45. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Duh, of course, and the resolution as well. But two PCs with a 60 Hz refresh rate and identical resolution will display the same colors on a given monitor.

      And do you know every setting that Apple did in their calibration? Do you know every setting that Samsung did in their calibration? You don't know but you are certain that it had no effect. Whereas DisplayMate who does this all the time is sure the display is better because of Apple's calibration.

      Of course. But a Note 8 should be able to output to an iPhone 8 display just like both of them can output to an external monitor/TV. What's your point again?

      That DisplayMate tested both and said the iPhone X was better. Both use Samsung displays. Why is that? You: It has nothing to do with anything Apple did. Me: it has everything to do with Apple did. DisplayMate agrees with me.

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    46. Re:So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      Also to understand that Apple doesn't exactly have an overwhelming advantage when it comes to Samsung components when competing with Samsung. I'm pretty sure Samsung Displays division isn't forced to sell their best displays only to Apple. The question then is why does Apple have the best display (made by Samsung) and why doesn't Samsung smartphones also have the same display.

      Now that we have agreed that selling more high end components to apple are more profitable than just only using them on their own product, let see what Displaymate has to say:

      Galaxy S7"
      " the Galaxy S7 becomes the Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested"
      iPhone 7
      "It is by far the best performing mobile LCD display that we have ever tested". Not the best smartphone display, not even the best LCD
      Galaxy S8
      "So the Galaxy S8 becomes the Best Performing Smartphone Display, earning DisplayMate’s highest ever A+ grade"
      Galaxy Note 8
      "So the Galaxy Note8 becomes the Best Performing Smartphone Display"
      iPhone X
      " the iPhone X becomes the Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested, earning DisplayMate’s highest ever A+ grade"


      Those best performing smartphone displays have one thing in common, Samsung made them. They have consistently improving their display from the S7, S8, Note 8, and the latest of their OLED iteration, iPhone X. So, to answer your question, Samsung has been using the best components available for their top of the line phones. What they don't do is intentionally crippling product that they sell to their competitors. What the iPhone X has is just a natural progression of their constant improvement from one generation to the newer one.

    47. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The note has a fraction of the sales compared to the S line

    48. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those best performing smartphone displays have one thing in common, Samsung made them. They have consistently improving their display from the S7, S8, Note 8, and the latest of their OLED iteration, iPhone X. So, to answer your question, Samsung has been using the best components available for their top of the line phones. What they don't do is intentionally crippling product that they sell to their competitors. What the iPhone X has is just a natural progression of their constant improvement from one generation to the newer one.

      So you can say:
      a. Samsung made the best smartphone displays, regardless who did the software implementation, or
      b. Samsung's display is still the best, despite being hampered by Apple software implementation

    49. Re:So basically by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      no I would think it is more based on the assumption that the note is more niche in there market space while the headline phone isn't due for a new iteration till march.

      If it's so niche, why does it have the 2nd best screen? Unless of course that niche is "best screen" - so why doesn't it have that?

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    50. Re:So basically by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that it would profit Samsung more to sell a component to Apple that the best instead of using it within the same company to drive sales of their smartphones? I just want to be clear that's what you're saying.

      High-end components have better margin. Apple sell more high-end phones compared to Samsung, so yes, selling high-end components through Apple is more profitable than selling them through the S and Note lines.

      Are you pretending that Samsung's high end phones don't have better margin than their cheap ones? Or that they don't have high-end components?

      Heck, have you seen what replacement screens for Samsung's high end phones cost, not including the actual exchange, just the hardware?

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    51. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because Samsung while they don't use it for bleeding edge, they still consider it a leading niche product, just not important enough to plonk in the best they make. Seems retards though have decided that somehow Apple magically turns a Samsung screen into something extra special through there pixie dust drivers, these same people are great candidates to sell a bridge too.

    52. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying the calibration has nothing to do with it. Just that the calibration is a software setting that could (should) be available to the user.

      When is it the last time a monitor reviewer said monitor XYZ works better with PC ABC because it has better calibration settings? Wouldn't that be kind of dumb?

      What I understood from DisplayMate was that there was more than calibration settings in the difference between the two displays.

    53. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying the calibration has nothing to do with it. Just that the calibration is a software setting that could (should) be available to the user.

      This is what you said above: "There are many different explanations, most of which do not include any engineering on Apple's side." Sure seems like you're unwilling to give Apple any credit. Also you seem to ignore that the test DisplayMate did had nothing to do with user calibration settings. DisplayMate specifically is applauding Apple for their factory calibration settings.

      When is it the last time a monitor reviewer said monitor XYZ works better with PC ABC because it has better calibration settings? Wouldn't that be kind of dumb?

      You don't work in the field of professional imaging do you? Reviews for professional displays always look at the factory calibration. They also judge the monitor for color accuracy because that is what is most important if someone buys a professional monitor. For the vast majority of consumers, color accuracy isn't a main concern. If it's off, it's an annoyance. If it's part of your job, it's a detriment not to have a well-calibrated monitor especially since these displays are not $300 cheap.

      Professional monitors always come at a premium price but for that extra coin you get multiple color gamut options, factory-certified calibration and often times the ability to create your own color presets with included software and instruments. When you need the absolute pinnacle of color accuracy, one of the screens can fulfill that need, usually without any initial adjustment.

      What I understood from DisplayMate was that there was more than calibration settings in the difference between the two displays.

      Yes the results of the tests showed the iPhone X was better but please tell me what "more" are you talking about. The only thing DisplayMate did was praise Apple's calibration as the reason it got their best score. Anyone in the business like DisplayMate knows that how the manufacturer decides to calibrate a display is important. If they mess up, they can get terrible results. Some of the settings are however intentional as not all displays and manufacturers target a high level of color accuracy for every product.

      For example, I have two ASUS monitors exactly the same size but with one being a model version higher than the other. The older model has far better color accuracy than the newer one. I thought it was that particular monitor but switching it out with the same model, I get the same problem: Blue is slightly purple but red is still red so it's not a color balance problem. No matter how I try to adjust the settings, I can't get rid of the color balance problems. Both models were consumer grade and my job doesn't require color accuracy but it is annoying when things don't look right side by side.

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    54. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It might be but my gut feeling is that it wasn't done on purpose. Samsung in my opinion tends to tweak their displays for more vibrant color and which leads to over-saturated colors by sacrificing some color accuracy. Simply it looks better on most images that a consumer would see: camera phone images etc. It looks better to consumers thus more consumers think the display is better.

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    55. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      1) The Note was released Sept 15 so I would expect it to have fewer sales than the S which was released in March. 2) How does having fewer sales detract from the fact that the Note 8 is indeed the latest flagship phone from Samsung that could have beaten the iPhone X in a display comparison?

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    56. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      they still consider it a leading niche product, just not important enough to plonk in the best they make.

      By "not important enough" are you ignoring that Samsung considers the Note line a flagship phone and that it includes the latest and most powerful processors? The Note might have the Exnos 8895 (Samsung's most powerful mobile processor) or the Snapdragon 835 which was Qualcomm's most powerful until the 845 was released in March 2017. Unlike Apple Samsung release 2 flagship phones a year. The S is in the spring and the Note is in the fall.

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    57. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Then you (b) would be a false conclusion as the iPhone X display is better than the Note 8 display.

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    58. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean the same old processor that was released in the s8 6 months ago, yeah I was aware the Note was also not really anything special processor wise too.

    59. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      This is what you said above: "There are many different explanations, most of which do not include any engineering on Apple's side." Sure seems like you're unwilling to give Apple any credit.

      Most is the key word in my sentence. Any is the key word in yours and it doesn't fit. Seems like you misread.

      Also you seem to ignore that the test DisplayMate did had nothing to do with user calibration settings. DisplayMate specifically is applauding Apple for their factory calibration settings.

      I don't ignore that. I just say that whatever default settings are chosen by Apple, anybody should be able to use the same settings on their Note 8 if they want to.

      Reviews for professional displays always look at the factory calibration.

      Of course. But again you missed the point completely. They don't care whatever PC is connected to it, and it has no impact on the review.

      They also judge the monitor for color accuracy because that is what is most important if someone buys a professional monitor. For the vast majority of consumers, color accuracy isn't a main concern.

      I understand that, and that's why Samsung choose not to get the best color accuracy. They think flashy colors will please more people. They are probably right, by the way.

      Yes the results of the tests showed the iPhone X was better but please tell me what "more" are you talking about.

      Well for a start it's not even the same resolution, isn't it?

    60. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Oh and I forgot to say the most important: nothing tells us it's not Samsung who is performing the calibration of the color accuracy for their panels in Apple's phones.

    61. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      So what magical new processor would you have Samsung use in their newest devices? How about the fastest and latest Samsung makes (which they did)? Or do you think Samsung semiconductors makes a new processor every six months? They could also use the latest and greatest Qualcomm they can (which they sorta did)? What other processor would you have them use?

      you mean the same old processor that was released in the s8 6 months ago, yeah I was aware the Note was also not really anything special processor wise too.

      By that statement, aren't you equating the S8 with "not really anything special processor" wise as well? Flawed logic perhaps?

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    62. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Most is the key word in my sentence. Any is the key word in yours and it doesn't fit. Seems like you misread.

      No I didn't. Are you willing to admit that Apple in fact did make their Samsung display better? That it wasn't all Samsung?

      I don't ignore that. I just say that whatever default settings are chosen by Apple, anybody should be able to use the same settings on their Note 8 if they want to.

      Have you ever worked in the display industry? Because your advice would be terrible. You don't use the same settings that some competitor uses. You don't even use the same settings you used in another device. You use the settings that best fits the device you're trying to calibrate to the goal that you are setting. Every display is slightly different. Anyone using the same settings on the Note 8 that was used on the iPhone X might have terrible results.

      Of course. But again you missed the point completely. They don't care whatever PC is connected to it, and it has no impact on the review.

      No that wasn't the point: the point is the calibration settings are important contrary to what you wrote above. Do I have to link the multiple times you said that?

      I understand that, and that's why Samsung choose not to get the best color accuracy. They think flashy colors will please more people. They are probably right, by the way.

      So you're admitting that Samsung didn't calibrate their display for the best accuracy. Apple did. Are you at this time willing to give Apple credit for doing so?

      Well for a start it's not even the same resolution, isn't it?

      How does the resolution affect the color accuracy and performance score that DisplayMate tested? You might want a larger screen but that had very little to do with color accuracy.

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    63. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Oh and I forgot to say the most important: nothing tells us it's not Samsung who is performing the calibration of the color accuracy for their panels in Apple's phones.

      You mean besides the fact that DisplayMate being in the industry credited Apple with the calibration? You should really pay attention to the review. Or are you trying to weasel your way out of admitting that Apple might have had a hand in the matter? Because your scenario would be Apple bought a display from a supplier and didn't calibrate to their specifications when manufacturing the phone. That would make Apple idiots or completely lazy. Every phone manufacturer would calibrate the display to their specifications as it would be one of the tests to ensure that the displays are made to the specification required.

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    64. Re: So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      Of course, it's newer than the Note 8, just like Note 8 is better than S8, and S8 is better than S7, and S7 is better than Note 5 and S6. It's a progression of tech. Apple software can't do jack shit when it was paired with LCD display on iPhone 7 and failed to best S7 which was released earlier.

    65. Re: So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so at least we agree about (a). Wasn't so hard, right?

    66. Re: So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Aren't you ignoring the fact that the Note 8 came out only weeks before the iPhone X? We're not talking six months or a year difference. A few weeks. If you're going to compare an LCD display with an OLED one, it seems you're willing to partake in unfair comparisons.

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    67. Re: So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      Aren't you ignoring the fact that the Note 8 came out only weeks before the iPhone X? We're not talking six months or a year difference. A few weeks.

      Are you implying that you know the internal schedule of the development of these phones and the displays by Apple and Samsung? Do share. If you don't, GTFO. You do know that the Samsung that made the Galaxy phones and the Samsung that design and manufacture displays are two separate entities, right?

      If you're going to compare an LCD display with an OLED one, it seems you're willing to partake in unfair comparisons.

      Aside from better black level, LCD used to have advantages over OLED.

      from DisplayMate:

      OLED Display Evolution What is particularly significant and impressive is that Samsung has been systematically improving OLED display performance with every Galaxy generation since 2010, when we started tracking OLED displays. The first notable OLED Smartphone, the Google Nexus One, came in decidedly last place in our 2010 Smartphone Display Shoot-Out. In a span of just six years OLED display technology is now challenging and even exceeding the performance of the best LCDs. The Galaxy S7 continues this impressive systematic improvement in OLED displays and technology

      A fact is a fact. Apple used to procure the displays for their high end phones from multiple sources. For iPhone X, they can only go to Samsung (and LG later next year), because only Samsung has the capability and capacity to produce them. The iPhone 7 lackluster display over 6 month older S7 is a testament that Apple software implementation, if there were any, has little to no effect on the quality of the phone display

      Making OLED display is hard, and Samsung get it right. From the day of HTC Nexus one OLED display (by Samsung) which placed last in 2010 to iPhone X at the top, Samsung has been improving their OLED technology, without Apple involvement.

    68. Re: So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that you know the internal schedule of the development of these phones and the displays by Apple and Samsung?

      I know facts. Fact: The Note 8 was released only weeks prior to the iPhone X. This is a fact. Please bring up any relevant facts you have.

      Do share. If you don't, GTFO. You do know that the Samsung that made the Galaxy phones and the Samsung that design and manufacture displays are two separate entities, right?

      And yet Apple released a phone with a Samsung display only weeks after Samsung releasing a phone with a Samsung display and beat it. Please present any facts counter to this.

      Aside from better black level, LCD used to have advantages over OLED.

      So is your answer yes, you are willing to engage in unfair comparisons?

      A fact is a fact.

      And yet to failed to acknowledge the basic facts when it doesn't suit you.

      Apple used to procure the displays for their high end phones from multiple sources. For iPhone X, they can only go to Samsung (and LG later next year), because only Samsung has the capability and capacity to produce them. The iPhone 7 lackluster display over 6 month older S7 is a testament that Apple software implementation, if there were any, has little to no effect on the quality of the phone display

      And how does any of that relevant to the point that Apple was able to score higher with a Samsung display than Samsung?

      Making OLED display is hard [imore.com], and Samsung get it right. From the day of HTC Nexus one OLED display (by Samsung) which placed last in 2010 to iPhone X at the top, Samsung has been improving their OLED technology, without Apple involvement.

      Again how does any of that relevant to the point that Apple was able to score higher with a Samsung display than Samsung?

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    69. Re: So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that you know the internal schedule of the development of these phones and the displays by Apple and Samsung?

      I know facts. Fact: The Note 8 was released only weeks prior to the iPhone X. This is a fact. Please bring up any relevant facts you have.

      The release date is a fact. Whether it has anything to do with the difference in performance between Note 8 and iPhone X is speculation on your side. My facts? DisplayMate has been rating Samsung display the best performing smartphone for S6, S7, Note 7, S8, Note 8, and Iphone X. The Iphone 6, and 7 were rated the best Mobile LCD, failing to best their Samsung counterpart in recent years. Those rated the best? Made by Samsung

      Do share. If you don't, GTFO. You do know that the Samsung that made the Galaxy phones and the Samsung that design and manufacture displays are two separate entities, right?

      And yet Apple released a phone with a Samsung display only weeks after Samsung releasing a phone with a Samsung display and beat it. Please present any facts counter to this.

      So you are speculating. Aside from "weeks later" you have nothing.

      Aside from better black level, LCD used to have advantages over OLED.

      So is your answer yes, you are willing to engage in unfair comparisons?

      Unfair comparison of what? Look up and you'll find that you posted DisplayMate link to iPhone 7 LCD review to drum apple up, failing to notice that it actually failed to best a 6 month older S7. You brought this up. I'm just playing along.

      And yet to failed to acknowledge the basic facts when it doesn't suit you.

      Apple used to procure the displays for their high end phones from multiple sources. For iPhone X, they can only go to Samsung (and LG later next year), because only Samsung has the capability and capacity to produce them. The iPhone 7 lackluster display over 6 month older S7 is a testament that Apple software implementation, if there were any, has little to no effect on the quality of the phone display

      And how does any of that relevant to the point that Apple was able to score higher with a Samsung display than Samsung?

      That a display on an iPhone can only score higher than a Samsung phone when it was made by Samsung

      Making OLED display is hard [imore.com], and Samsung get it right. From the day of HTC Nexus one OLED display (by Samsung) which placed last in 2010 to iPhone X at the top, Samsung has been improving their OLED technology, without Apple involvement.

      Again how does any of that relevant to the point that Apple was able to score higher with a Samsung display than Samsung?

      The fact is, a Samsung display scores higher than its' previous iteration. Simple.

    70. Re: So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The release date is a fact. Whether it has anything to do with the difference in performance between Note 8 and iPhone X is speculation on your side.

      All of which I never said.

      This was what you wrote: "What the iPhone X has is just a natural progression of their constant improvement from one generation to the newer one." The iPhone X is only weeks newer than the Note 8. If it was six months or 1 year newer, you might have a point that it is a generation newer. But factually it is only weeks newer. I'm pretty sure that Samsung does not put out a new generation of displays every few weeks.

      So you are speculating. Aside from "weeks later" you have nothing.

      Please point out the speculation. The iPhone X is only weeks newer. DisplayMate rated it the display better. These are facts.

      Unfair comparison of what? Look up and you'll find that you posted DisplayMate link to iPhone 7 LCD review to drum apple up, failing to notice that it actually failed to best a 6 month older S7. You brought this up. I'm just playing along.

      You mean besides comparing two different display technologies like OLED and LCD in the same category? Besides that?

      That a display on an iPhone can only score higher than a Samsung phone when it was made by Samsung

      Why didn't the Samsung display score on par or better than the iPhone? They both use tech from Samsung. Maybe Apple had something to do with it.

      The fact is, a Samsung display scores higher than its' previous iteration. Simple.

      The point you missed was how is the new display the "next iteration". It was only weeks newer. Unless you think Samsung makes new iterations every few weeks.

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    71. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Are you willing to admit that Apple in fact did make their Samsung display better? That it wasn't all Samsung?

      We don't know. We can't know. Unless we work in the right division at Samsung or Apple.
      I agree there is a possibility that Apple did something, like I always said. But there are many other credible explanations.

      Have you ever worked in the display industry?

      No, like 99.9999999999999999% of the people here. What's your point? That the discussion is reserved for display manufacturers?

      Because your advice would be terrible. You don't use the same settings that some competitor uses. You don't even use the same settings you used in another device. You use the settings that best fits the device you're trying to calibrate to the goal that you are setting. Every display is slightly different. Anyone using the same settings on the Note 8 that was used on the iPhone X might have terrible results.

      I meant anyone should be able to calibrate their Note 8 display for color accuracy just as good as the iPhone X if it's only a software setting AND the display panel is the same. Perhaps the display panel in the iPhone X is superior and will always give better results. Perhaps they are the same. Who knows?

      No that wasn't the point: the point is the calibration settings are important contrary to what you wrote above. Do I have to link the multiple times you said that?

      I never said it's not important. Just that if they can be changed by software, they are not as important as you think. Since you can re-perform a calibration...

      So you're admitting that Samsung didn't calibrate their display for the best accuracy. Apple did. Are you at this time willing to give Apple credit for doing
      so?

      No as again, we don't know who is performing the calibration of the iPhone X display. Even Displaymate doesn't know that. Perhaps it's Samsung and they have a firmware storing the calibration values in their display. Perhaps Samsung is giving the numbers to Apple so that they can be stored in the iPhone main flash memory.
      Let say I break my iPhone display and go to the Apple store for a repair, they will exchange the display and that's it. They won't calibrate it again. So it seems logical to me that the calibration data be stored in the display. A smartphone display should give the same color no matter what phone you connect it to.

      How does the resolution affect the color accuracy and performance score that DisplayMate tested?

      I asked you what you meant by performance and you never answered. I could argue that resolution is a key metric of a display performance. A low resolution display doesn't perform as great as a high resolution one.
      Also there might be some trade-offs. Perhaps Samsung is able to produce either a high resolution display or one with good accuracy, but not both at the same time. So it's possible that even if they happen do be doing the calibration, Apple wouldn't be able to calibrate a Note 8 as good as an iPhone X even if they wanted to.

      You mean besides the fact that DisplayMate being in the industry credited Apple with the calibration?

      Yes, as they don't know that. They may be crediting Apple for the result. That doesn't mean they are not allowed to outsource the calibration to Samsung or someone else, and still be credited for the result as the integrator.

    72. Re: So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      The release date is a fact. Whether it has anything to do with the difference in performance between Note 8 and iPhone X is speculation on your side.

      All of which I never said.

      This was what you wrote: "What the iPhone X has is just a natural progression of their constant improvement from one generation to the newer one." The iPhone X is only weeks newer than the Note 8. If it was six months or 1 year newer, you might have a point that it is a generation newer. But factually it is only weeks newer. I'm pretty sure that Samsung does not put out a new generation of displays every few weeks.

      So you are speculating. Aside from "weeks later" you have nothing.

      Please point out the speculation. The iPhone X is only weeks newer. DisplayMate rated it the display better. These are facts.

      You are speculating that since those phones are released merely weeks a part, then both are using same generation display, while the only fact that you have is that iPhone X is released weeks later than Note 8. However, we do know for a fact that a samsung display managed to score yet another best performance smartphone display on DisplayMate.

      Unfair comparison of what? Look up and you'll find that you posted DisplayMate link to iPhone 7 LCD review to drum apple up, failing to notice that it actually failed to best a 6 month older S7. You brought this up. I'm just playing along.

      You mean besides comparing two different display technologies like OLED and LCD in the same category? Besides that?

      Then why did you bring it up in the first place? Is it because you didn't know iPhone 7 is using LCD instead OLED? Didn't you know iPhone 7 display is not as good as a 6 month older samsung phone? Did you fail to notice that only recent iPhone that managed to snatch the best performance smartphone display is the only one that has Samsung display? Did you wish you had not bring up iPhone 7 into this discussion?

      That a display on an iPhone can only score higher than a Samsung phone when it was made by Samsung

      Why didn't the Samsung display score on par or better than the iPhone? They both use tech from Samsung. Maybe Apple had something to do with it.

      Maybe? so you're speculating again?

      Again, you're banking on the assumption that since the phones are released only weeks apart then they are using the same generation display. Samsung Mobile did not make the display, SDI did, you can't speculate what SDI do or have, based on Samsung Mobile release schedule.

      Anyhow, Samsung did score better than Apple, many times. The only time in recent years that an Apple phone managed to score better than Samsung, is when the phone is equipped with samsung display.

      The fact is, a Samsung display scores higher than its' previous iteration. Simple.

      The point you missed was how is the new display the "next iteration". It was only weeks newer.

      The release date of the phone is weeks apart. You are speculating that SDI are supplying the same generation display to Note 8 and iPhone X, you are speculating that both phone has the same development length. That is stupid. For the rest of us, it is business as usual, a samsung display bested older samsung display.

      Unless you think Samsung makes new iterations every few weeks.

      And you're still thinking that the Samsung that made Note 8 is the same Samsung that manufacture the display.

    73. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      We don't know. We can't know. Unless we work in the right division at Samsung or Apple. I agree there is a possibility that Apple did something, like I always said. But there are many other credible explanations.

      And again, DisplayMate seems to think Apple had a hand. And DisplayMate works in the industry.

      No, like 99.9999999999999999% of the people here. What's your point? That the discussion is reserved for display manufacturers?

      And again, DisplayMate seems to think Apple had a hand. And DisplayMate works in the industry.

      I meant anyone should be able to calibrate their Note 8 display for color accuracy just as good as the iPhone X if it's only a software setting AND the display panel is the same. Perhaps the display panel in the iPhone X is superior and will always give better results. Perhaps they are the same. Who knows?

      A person might be able to maybe if they could get low level access to a phone. That wasn't the point. DisplayMate didn't test that a person could. What they did test is both devices based on factory settings.

      I never said it's not important. Just that if they can be changed by software, they are not as important as you think. Since you can re-perform a calibration...

      "Calibration isn't as important. . . you can't re-perform a calibration" Says who? Do you work with any displays or any instrumentation at all? You can always re-perform a calibration. If you couldn't, the device would be worthless. After one calibration, throw it away because it can't be re-calibrated. For most consumer monitors, calibrations are not as important because color accuracy isn't as important. If the goal is color accuracy (which it is in this case), calibration is very important. You don't pay $500+ for a professional monitor if the calibration wasn't important to the manufacturer. If you're paying $150 for a monitor, the calibration wasn't as important to you or the manufacturer. For high-end smartphones like the Note 8 and the iPhone X, color accuracy and thus calibration is important. If you're paying $150 for a smart phone, you can't expect it to have high color accuracy.

      No as again, we don't know who is performing the calibration of the iPhone X display. Even Displaymate doesn't know that.

      Are you ignoring the fact that in fact DisplayMate credited Apple for doing so? So according to you, DisplayMate doesn't know but did so anyway. By the way, it is DisplayMate's business to know. And it makes no sense that Apple didn't because it is fairly standard that a smart phone maker calibrates their displays. Huawei buying a display from Samsung will calibrate it. Sony buying a display from Samsung will calibrate it. And so on. It's part of a QA process: Did the part that I bought meet my specifications? It has to be calibrated then tested.

      Perhaps it's Samsung and they have a firmware storing the calibration values in their display. Perhaps Samsung is giving the numbers to Apple so that they can be stored in the iPhone main flash memory.

      So now you are throwing in rampant speculation while trying to avoid giving Apple credit for what's industry standard. Manufacturer A buys a part from Supplier B. They test it. Your assertion: Manufacturer A never tests the part they get from Supplier B. They just always accepts whatever Supplier B says.

      I asked you what you meant by performance and you never answered.

      Yes I did. I referred you again to the DisplayMate review as I go by their definition of "performance". Again, read the review. The word performance is only used 37 times on the page.

      I could argue that resolution is a key metric of a display performance.

      Again, read the review

      A low resolution display doesn't perform as great as a high resolution one.

      Again, read the revi

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    74. Re: So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You are speculating that since those phones are released merely weeks a part, then both are using same generation display, while the only fact that you have is that iPhone X is released weeks later than Note 8. However, we do know for a fact that a samsung display managed to score yet another best performance smartphone display on DisplayMate.

      No I am pointing out that you are speculating they are in fact different generations. You made the assertion: "What the iPhone X has is just a natural progression of their constant improvement from one generation to the newer one." You can't assert that in fact the iPhone X has a newer generation display. It might have an older generation. It might be newer. All we know is that the release date was weeks apart. Not 6 months or a year part.

      Then why did you bring it up in the first place? . . .

      Because I wasn't addressing you. I was addressing another poster who said: "They have. For years, Samsung had the best display on its own phone. It just didn't made Slashdot headlines because it wasn't Apple." His assertion: only Samsung has the best display. No, Samsung has had good OLED displays. Apple has had some good LCD displays.

      Maybe? so you're speculating again?

      Maybe you're ignoring what DisplayMate said.

      Again, you're banking on the assumption that since the phones are released only weeks apart then they are using the same generation display. Samsung Mobile did not make the display, SDI did, you can't speculate what SDI do or have, based on Samsung Mobile release schedule.

      I never said that. I am saying specifically that you can't assert that they are different generations especially since they are weeks apart. If they were 6 months apart, they are probably different generations.

      And you're still thinking that the Samsung that made Note 8 is the same Samsung that manufacture the display.

      In the same way that Sony who makes computers is the same the Sony that makes phones. It's the same Sony who makes the PS4. If you wan't to nitpick that they aren't the same because they are different divisions of Samsung Electronics, then no company should have to answer for anything under their brand. So if you had a problem with an Apple iPhone you wouldn't immediately take it up with Apple? Or would you hunt down only the Apple phone division?

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    75. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      And again, DisplayMate seems to think Apple had a hand. And DisplayMate works in the industry.

      That's your interpretation. Mine is that they credit Apple for the result, no matter if they do the calibration themselves or not.

      And again, DisplayMate seems to think Apple had a hand. And DisplayMate works in the industry.

      You didn't get what I wrote. Read my post again.

      A person might be able to maybe if they could get low level access to a phone. That wasn't the point. DisplayMate didn't test that a person could. What they did test is both devices based on factory settings.

      You didn't get what I wrote. Read my post again.

      "Calibration isn't as important. . . you can't re-perform a calibration" Says who?

      I don't know, that quote isn't from me.

      Do you work with any displays or any instrumentation at all?

      Yes, both.

      For most consumer monitors, calibrations are not as important because color accuracy isn't as important. If the goal is color accuracy (which it is in this case),

      I disagree. Accuracy is at least as important on consumer monitors as on consumer phones.
      I also disagree the goal s color accuracy. The goal is to have a good display for its users.

      You don't pay $500+ for a professional monitor if the calibration wasn't important to the manufacturer.

      Why not? I might need the resolution but not the accuracy.

      For high-end smartphones like the Note 8 and the iPhone X, color accuracy and thus calibration is important.

      To a point, for some users yes I assume. I never said it wasn't important anyway.

      Are you ignoring the fact that in fact DisplayMate credited Apple for doing so?

      I already answered that and you keep repeating this non-sense.

      So according to you, DisplayMate doesn't know but did so anyway.

      No, that's not what I said. Read again.

      By the way, it is DisplayMate's business to know.

      I disagree. It's their business to rate displays.

      And it makes no sense that Apple didn't because it is fairly standard that a smart phone maker calibrates their displays. Huawei buying a display from Samsung will calibrate it. Sony buying a display from Samsung will calibrate it. And so on.

      Says who? I don't know that. Do you work for a smartphone manufacturer?

      It's part of a QA process: Did the part that I bought meet my specifications? It has to be calibrated then tested.

      You are 100% wrong here. Checking whether it meet the specs isn't the same thing as calibrating.
      Also it's possible that they do some random screening but do not even perform full tests on every iPhone produced.

      So now you are throwing in rampant speculation

      It's just as rampant speculation as saying that Apple needs to calibrate every single display themselves. We don't know. Perhaps it's already calibrated, perhaps it isn't. Unlike you, I don't rule out any possibility when I don't know.

      Manufacturer A buys a part from Supplier B. They test it. Your assertion: Manufacturer A never tests the part they get from Supplier B. They just always accepts whatever Supplier B says.

      Again, testing isn't the same as calibrating.

      Yes I did. I referred you again to the DisplayMate review as I go by their definition of "performance". Again, read the review. The word performance is only used 37 times on the page.

      Performance is a vague term. Do me, the best performing display is the best display. Color accuracy is one aspect, out of many, of performance.

      Again, read the review

      They say that more pixels wou

    76. Re: So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      You are speculating that since those phones are released merely weeks a part, then both are using same generation display, while the only fact that you have is that iPhone X is released weeks later than Note 8. However, we do know for a fact that a samsung display managed to score yet another best performance smartphone display on DisplayMate.

      No I am pointing out that you are speculating they are in fact different generations. You made the assertion: "What the iPhone X has is just a natural progression of their constant improvement from one generation to the newer one." You can't assert that in fact the iPhone X has a newer generation display. It might have an older generation. It might be newer. All we know is that the release date was weeks apart. Not 6 months or a year part.

      The phones are weeks a part. There's no telling about the display.

      Then why did you bring it up in the first place? . . .

      Because I wasn't addressing you. I was addressing another poster who said: "They have. For years, Samsung had the best display on its own phone. It just didn't made Slashdot headlines because it wasn't Apple." His assertion: only Samsung has the best display.

      Where did that come from? How did you translate "They have. For years, Samsung had the best display on its own phone. It just didn't made Slashdot headlines because it wasn't Apple." to "Only Samsung has the best display"? Are you projecting your jealousy?

      No, Samsung has had good OLED displays. Apple has had some good LCD displays.

      No, the S6, Note 5, S7, Note 7, S8, and Note 8 received "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested", the same accolade given to iPhone X. The iphone 7 merely received the best mobile LCD

      Maybe? so you're speculating again?

      Maybe you're ignoring what DisplayMate said.

      Again, you're banking on the assumption that since the phones are released only weeks apart then they are using the same generation display. Samsung Mobile did not make the display, SDI did, you can't speculate what SDI do or have, based on Samsung Mobile release schedule.

      I never said that. I am saying specifically that you can't assert that they are different generations especially since they are weeks apart. If they were 6 months apart, they are probably different generations.

      You are when you assume that since the phone are only weeks apart then the difference in performance are the result of apple implementation

      And you're still thinking that the Samsung that made Note 8 is the same Samsung that manufacture the display.

      In the same way that Sony who makes computers is the same the Sony that makes phones. It's the same Sony who makes the PS4.

      ...They are actually different companies

      If you wan't to nitpick that they aren't the same because they are different divisions of Samsung Electronics, then no company should have to answer for anything under their brand.

      Then no company should have to answer under their brand? what does this have anything to do with the topic? If we must follow your logic, how come Samsung Electronic is engaging ongoing Iegal battle with apple, and SDI can still comfortably supply their display to Apple?

      So if you had a problem with an Apple iPhone you wouldn't immediately take it up with Apple? Or would you hunt down only the Apple phone division?

      Yes, because the iPhone is made by Apple Inc. You are comparing Apple phone division, which is only a division in Apple Inc, to wholly stand alone companies with separate organizations and stocks like Samsung Electronics and Samsung SDI.

    77. Re:So basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because it is NOT the flagship phone retard

    78. Re: So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The phones are weeks a part. There's no telling about the display.

      Which was my point. You can't assert that they different generation of displays. Are you denying you made that assertion?

      Where did that come from? How did you translate "They have. For years, Samsung had the best display on its own phone. It just didn't made Slashdot headlines because it wasn't Apple." to "Only Samsung has the best display"? Are you projecting your jealousy?

      "For years Samsung had the best display on it own phone" precludes that all other manufacturers having the best displays. Including Apple. Including LG.

      No, the S6, Note 5, S7, Note 7, S8, and Note 8 received "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested", the same accolade given to iPhone X. The iphone 7 merely received the best mobile LCD.

      Again are you ignoring the part that the best OLED display was given to the iPhone X? Did you read the review on the Note 8 vs the iPhone X. The Note 8 got "Very Good" in a lot of marks whereas the iPhone X got "Excellent". I would say that the iPhone X beat out the Note 8.

      You are when you assume that since the phone are only weeks apart then the difference in performance are the result of apple implementation.

      No I'm specifically countering your assertion that 1) the iPhone X has a newer generation of display. You don't know that. 2) That having a newer generation display automatically translates into better performance. There have been many cases where something newer performs worse. For example, the Pentium 4 was not an upgrade to the Pentium III, etc.

      Also I refer you to DisplayMate's review where they give the credit to Apple. It's in the review.

      ...They are actually different companies

      Again by that logic: Apple mobile and Apple, Inc are different companies. Every single division within a company is a different company according to you. Legally and financially that's not true.

      Then no company should have to answer under their brand? what does this have anything to do with the topic? If we must follow your logic, how come Samsung Electronic is engaging ongoing Iegal battle with apple, and SDI can still comfortably supply their display to Apple?

      You made the assertion that Samsung displays is not the same as Samsung mobile. You do release that both are under Samsung Electronics, right? Samsung SDI does not currently make OLED displays or LCD displays. They used to make displays. SDI today focuses on 4 things: small LiOn batteries, automotive batteries, energy storage systems (ESS), and electronic materials.

      Yes, because the iPhone is made by Apple Inc. You are comparing Apple phone division, which is only a division in Apple Inc, to wholly stand alone companies with separate organizations and stocks like Samsung Electronics and Samsung SDI.

      Your assertion is based on the false premise that SDI makes displays. They do not anymore. They did not provide displays to Apple or anyone. Samsung Electronics does. Samsung Electronics also includes semiconductor and mobile phones.

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    79. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      That's your interpretation. Mine is that they credit Apple for the result, no matter if they do the calibration themselves or not.

      The review says this: "But what makes the iPhone X the Best Smartphone Display is the impressive Precision Display Calibration that Apple developed that transforms the OLED hardware into a superbly accurate, high performance, and gorgeous display!" It's not my interpretation. The review says it in plain English. Are you just in deep denial?

      You didn't get what I wrote. Read my post again.

      Your entire posts so far have been full of false dichotomies and red herrings. Face it, you're just in full denial mode.

      I don't know, that quote isn't from me.

      These are your exact words: "I never said it's not important. Just that if they can be changed by software, they are not as important as you think. Since you can re-perform a calibration..."

      You asserted calibrations are "not that important". You asserted that you can't re-perform a calibration. Do you deny it?

      Yes, both.

      Your posts suggest otherwise. You've made numerous false statements about both.

      Why not? I might need the resolution but not the accuracy.

      Bahahahahaha. You do realize a professional monitor doesn't mean highest resolution monitor right? Professional monitors can be 1080p, 4k, or even 5k. The resolution isn't what puts them into the "professional monitor" category. The color accuracy specifically does.

      I disagree. It's their business to rate displays.

      False dichotomy: Your assertion that they can't know because they rate displays.

      You are 100% wrong here. Checking whether it meet the specs isn't the same thing as calibrating. Also it's possible that they do some random screening but do not even perform full tests on every iPhone produced.

      Bahahahaha. Dude, I hope you never work for QA in any capacity. Part of testing is calibration. Before I can check any specs, I have to make sure my readings are accurate. How do I do that? Calibration. Even if I'm doing something as simple as weighing a part, calibrating the scale is part of the testing. You really should brush up on your testing and QA procedures. If I'm testing a display, I'm going to calibrate it. I'm going to calibrate all instrumentation. I might do tests before and after calibration but the before has limited use to pass it. But I'm going to calibrate it.

      It's just as rampant speculation as saying that Apple needs to calibrate every single display themselves. .

      I never said that Apple must 100% calibrate every single display. Please show me above where I said that. You're just making things up. I said that Apple tests their parts like every manufacture. Testing would include calibration. This is basic manufacturing and QA.

      We don't know. Perhaps it's already calibrated, perhaps it isn't. Unlike you, I don't rule out any possibility when I don't know

      Please provide any evidence of what you say is true. You made this assertion. You can't can you? You're just speculating, aren't you?

      Again, testing isn't the same as calibrating.

      For someone who claims to know instrumentation you don't know that calibrating is often before testing.

      So you disagree with the fact that a higher resolution display is better than a low resolution one, all other things being equal?

      Only if you agree that Apple had a hand in making the display better.

      That was exactly my point.

      No it wasn't. Your point was never that the resolution made it more difficult to get better results. Your point has always been to deny Apple credit.

      We don't know. Maybe they can do a lot, maybe they don't

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    80. Re:So basically by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      That's your interpretation. Mine is that they credit Apple for the result, no matter if they do the calibration themselves or not.

      The review says this: "But what makes the iPhone X the Best Smartphone Display is the impressive Precision Display Calibration that Apple developed that transforms the OLED hardware into a superbly accurate, high performance, and gorgeous display!" It's not my interpretation. The review says it in plain English. Are you just in deep denial?

      There are 3 possibilities here.
      1. Apple performed the calibration
      2. someone else performed the calibration and display mate is wrong
      3. someone else performed the calibration for Apple but display mate still credit them as the integrator

      I am not denying any of the above 3 is possible. You are denying 2 and 3.

      I don't know, that quote isn't from me.

      These are your exact words: "I never said it's not important. Just that if they can be changed by software, they are not as important as you think. Since you can re-perform a calibration..."

      You asserted calibrations are "not that important". You asserted that you can't re-perform a calibration. Do you deny it?

      Yes, I do. Please read the words you just quoted again. It,s one thing to misread. But it's another to make a point out of it over and over again. You are pathetic

      Why not? I might need the resolution but not the accuracy.

      Bahahahahaha. You do realize a professional monitor doesn't mean highest resolution monitor right? Professional monitors can be 1080p, 4k, or even 5k. The resolution isn't what puts them into the "professional monitor" category. The color accuracy specifically does.

      A professional monitor has many different characteristics. The first 4k monitors may have been professional ones. So at that time, the only way to get that resolution was to get a professional monitor

      I disagree. It's their business to rate displays.

      False dichotomy: Your assertion that they can't know because they rate displays.

      No. It was your assertion that they know because it's their business to know. I simply replied with the fact that it's not their business.
      I never claimed that they can't know because they rate displays.

      You are 100% wrong here. Checking whether it meet the specs isn't the same thing as calibrating.
      Also it's possible that they do some random screening but do not even perform full tests on every iPhone produced.

      Bahahahaha. Dude, I hope you never work for QA in any capacity. Part of testing is calibration. Before I can check any specs, I have to make sure my readings are accurate. How do I do that? Calibration. Even if I'm doing something as simple as weighing a part, calibrating the scale is part of the testing.

      That's because the scale is a measuring tool. A display is not a measuring tool. Anyway if you are testing a scale, you won't be calibrating it. You'll make sure (test) that it was properly calibrated. The calibration of the scale should happen during production, before QA.

      I'm going to calibrate all instrumentation. I might do tests before and after calibration but the before has limited use to pass it. But I'm going to calibrate it.

      It's just as rampant speculation as saying that Apple needs to calibrate every single display themselves. .

      I never said that Apple must 100% calibrate every single display.

      Well you inferred it. As every display is different. Calibrating one out of two would be useless, and you think it's impossible that someone else performed the calibration.

      Please show me above where I said that. You're just making things up. I said th

    81. Re:So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      There are 3 possibilities here. 1. Apple performed the calibration 2. someone else performed the calibration and display mate is wrong 3. someone else performed the calibration for Apple but display mate still credit them as the integrator

      No there are than 2 possibilities here that are important. DisplayMate is right or they are wrong. Since they are in the businesses of displays it makes it their business to know about such things. You can believe them or not. It appears that you decide not to believe them because of your deep denial.

      I am not denying any of the above 3 is possible. You are denying 2 and 3.

      I have never denied 2 out of 3. Please show me where I said it. I said it's fairly standard for Apple (and any manufacturer) to do their own calibration on a part they buy. It's part of QA. Here's where your thoughts are completely one-dimensional: Parts vendors do their calibrations, too. But nothing precludes the buyer from doing one too. Comparing both vendor and buyer calibrations might pinpoint any problems that arise in shipping. For this case, shipping may not affect the readings; but in general how a part gets jostled and abused during shipping might affect the part.

      Yes, I do. Please read the words you just quoted again. It,s one thing to misread. But it's another to make a point out of it over and over again. You are pathetic

      Oh I did get that wrong. But you are still claiming that calibration isn't that important right?

      A professional monitor has many different characteristics.

      No. The one factor that makes a monitor "professional" has always been color accuracy.

      The first 4k monitors may have been professional ones.

      Not factually true The first 4K monitor was consumer not professional probably because I'm guessing the color accuracy requirements for the professional would have been hard to do at the time.

      So at that time, the only way to get that resolution was to get a professional monitor

      So what? That wasn't your point. Your point was that someone would get a professional monitor for the resolution not the color accuracy. Your point wasn't at the early days of 4K, a person would get a professional monitor just for the resolution.

      That's because the scale is a measuring tool. A display is not a measuring tool. Anyway if you are testing a scale, you won't be calibrating it. You'll make sure (test) that it was properly calibrated. The calibration of the scale should happen during production, before QA.

      Bahahaha. You are testing the function of the display to make sure it passes a specification but you're not going to calibrate anything to make sure your results are solid? There will be multiple calibrations done. Some will be done on the instrumentation. Like I said above: you can test the display before you calibrate it but the "before" results are not as important as the "after". It has to meet specifications after calibration not before.

      No. It was your assertion that they know because it's their business to know. I simply replied with the fact that it's not their business. I never claimed that they can't know because they rate displays.

      Besides the part where you said: "I disagree It's their business to rate displays." Denial?

      Yes I know that. You didn't seem to know however.

      And yet you said the opposite: "Checking whether it meet the specs isn't the same thing as calibrating. " Denial?

      Well you inferred it. As every display is different. Calibrating one out of two would be useless, an

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    82. Re: So basically by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      The phones are weeks a part. There's no telling about the display.

      Which was my point. You can't assert that they different generation of displays. Are you denying you made that assertion?

      That is only a reaction to your "Maybe there might have been some improvements made by Apple"

      Where did that come from? How did you translate "They have. For years, Samsung had the best display on its own phone. It just didn't made Slashdot headlines because it wasn't Apple." to "Only Samsung has the best display"? Are you projecting your jealousy?

      "For years Samsung had the best display on it own phone" precludes that all other manufacturers having the best displays. Including Apple. Including LG.

      Then perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension.
      The line was referencing on the fact that on DisplayMate, S6, Note5, S7, Note7, S8, and Note8, received "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested", the same praise DisplayMate has given to iPhone X.
      You do realize there are time function working for something labeled as "the best"? When DisplayMate tested S6, it was the best they have ever tested, nothing was better better than S6 when DisplayMate tested it out. Then come Note 5, S7 which were progressively better than S6, thus also earning "The best smartphone display ever tested". The iPhone 7 came along, but it was not "the best" DisplayMate "ever tested". Then Note 7, S8, Note 8, and then iPhone X. This is such a simple concept no? If in between Note 5 and S7, LG made a phone with better display than Note 5 and DisplayMate tested it, surely it will give "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested" to that LG phone, right? They couldn't have possibly gave the "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested" to iPhone X when they were reviewing the Note8, right, because they haven't tested it yet?

      Why do I have to explain such simple concept to you?

      No, the S6, Note 5, S7, Note 7, S8, and Note 8 received "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested", the same accolade given to iPhone X. The iphone 7 merely received the best mobile LCD.

      Again are you ignoring the part that the best OLED display was given to the iPhone X? Did you read the review on the Note 8 vs the iPhone X. The Note 8 got "Very Good" in a lot of marks whereas the iPhone X got "Excellent". I would say that the iPhone X beat out the Note 8.

      The phrase "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested" does not have the word "OLED" on it. "DISPLAY", not "OLED DISPLAY" and certainly not "Mobile LCD".
      And when did I ignore that? No one is denying IPhone X has a better screen than Note 8. They are responding to your "If it's that easy then why doesn't a Samsung phone have the the best smartphone display according to DisplayMate". Which is not true since S6, Note5 and up to Note8 received "The Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested" by DisplayMate as well, it's just they are no longer the best, since iPhone X "currently" is the best performing smartphone display they have ever tested" And if you're trying to say DisplayMate only compares OLED to OLED then fun fact: iPhone 5 was one of "the best Smartphone display we have tested" by DisplayMate, and it was an LCD, manufactured by Sharp or Toshiba, and it was compared favorably to S3, which uses OLED.

      You are when you assume that since the phone are only weeks apart then the difference in performance are the result of apple implementation.

      No I'm specifically countering your assertion that 1) the iPhone X has a newer generation of display. You don't know that. 2) That having a newer generation display automatically translates into better performance. There have been many cases where something newer per

    83. Re: So basically by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      That is only a reaction to your "Maybe there might have been some improvements made by Apple"

      Please point out the logical flaw in that assertion unlike your assertion which had a major flaw in it.

      You do realize there are time function working for something labeled as "the best"? When DisplayMate tested S6, it was the best they have ever tested, nothing was better better than S6 when DisplayMate tested it out.

      I realize that there is a component of our existence called time. DisplayMate couldn't give iPhone X a better score than the S6 two years ago because of the linear nature of time in our existence. Again the major flaw with your Note 8 comparison is that DisplayMate reviewed the Note 8 weeks before the iPhone X not years before. You are again relying on the unproven premise that the displays must be different generations. A second major flaw in your thinking is that DisplayMate could not have rated the iPhone X lower than both displays. Of course the iPhone X could have been worse than a display two years ago (S6) or two weeks ago (Note 8). A newer generation does not necessarily imply better. But DisplayMate rated it higher.

      But but but.. you don't know that " Maybe there might have been some improvements made by Apple", right? But you said it anyway,

      Please show where the logical flaw is in that statement. I never said that I "know". I said "maybe" Apple did something whereas you've asserted that the displays are different generations.

      Not logic, fact. And legally and financially true. There's a company named Samsung SDI [bloomberg.com], Samsung Electronics Co ltd [bloomberg.com], Samsung Display Co ltd [bloomberg.com], and Samsung Mobile Display Co Ltd [bloomberg.com]

      This is what you said: "If we must follow your logic, how come Samsung Electronic is engaging ongoing Iegal battle with apple, and ,b>SDI can still comfortably supply their display to Apple?"

      You said SDI supplies their display to Apple. That's not factually true. SDI is no longer in the display business so they cannot supply Apple with any displays. Samsung Display Co is a completely different entity than SDI.

      It is still a separate business entity from Samsung Electronics.

      Samsung Display Co is a subsidiary of Samsung Electronics.

      And lookup up on "Electronic Materials" on Samsung SDI page. One of them is electronic material for OLED displays. It even has a picture of smartphone on it

      If you read the page it says "In 2014, we have developed high-efficiency electrode paste, deposition materials which makes OLED high-efficient and long-lasting, next generation CR material for high-resolution. In 2015, we also strive to take the dominance in the next generation core material market as well as existing market by developing OLED materials which we have been working on, next generation polarizing film and high luminance CR, etc."

      Just because it has a picture of an OLED does not mean SDI makes OLEDs anymore. They showed a picture of a smartphone because showing a picture of "deposition materials" probably isn't as meaningful to the average person. It's clear that they make materials used in OLEDs just like Corning makes the Gorilla glass used in smartphones does not mean Corning makes smartphones. And when Corning shows off a picture of the Gorilla glass, they are going to show a picture of a smartphone, a tablet, etc because that's a primary usage.

      No, Samsung Electronics has never manufacture and sell OLED display. Samsung Display which was part of Samsung Electronics, made LCD panel. In 2012 Samsung Electronics spun of it's LCD division to a separate company and merge it with Samsung Mobile Display, which does manufacture OLEDs.

      Define "separate": Samsung Electronics owns at a majority stake (84.8%) of Samsung Display Co with S

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  12. That's what she said by boudie2 · · Score: 1

    But it's only 5.8 inches.

    1. Re:That's what she said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats the diagonal measure so the actual length would be less? 5.8" diagonal with 16:9 aspect would be more like 5" !!! I guess thats the display equivalent of porn star units where they measure the under side?

    2. Re:That's what she said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5.8" diagonal with 16:9 aspect would be more like 5" !!!

      Whatever doesn't fit in the mouth is wasted.

  13. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Snotnose · · Score: 1, Funny

    Too much beer too early (damned Daylight Saving Time). Did you really tell me to connect a modern video controller to a 30 year old LCD? We won't mention LCDs weren't a thing in the 90s. Howzabout you connect your RS232 enabled media player to iTunes? Or that 3.5 inch parallel port backup tape deck you have laying around to your 8 GB laptop for backups?

    Fucking dumass

  14. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Snotnose · · Score: 0

    Just remembered, the video driver was embedded in the display. The baseband had it's own video driver. The fun part was eking out the best parts of all three. My job was to just ensure all 3 played together, not to make the display great.

  15. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, a professional in the field uses the phrase 'doohickey' all the time I guess.

  16. Re:Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because Samsung actually makes their own products, and Apple GIVES AWAY every last bit of their research because they can't make their own.

    I'm sorry but I did miss the Great Apple Giveaway that they had at Apple HQ last week where every one of their competitors go to take all the research they could carry. Basically none part of what you said is true because the secretive Apple I know isn't above suing people to prevent their research from getting out. I seem to recall them firing an engineer recently because daughter posted a video taken at Apple HQ of an iPhone X prototype. That's the secretive Apple I know.

    Also, are you sure Samsung makes all of their own products? You mean for years they didn't say buy processors from Qualcomm, displays from LG, memory from Toshiba, etc.

    Outsourcing manufacturing fails every, single, time. You give away your technology, teach others to make it, and then get yourself toasted as they figure out how to make it better, cheaper, faster, or just copy it so they don't have to pay for an R&D budget

    Yes because Samsung has never outsourced a single product or component to another country or company, ever. Oh wait, they have. You can open any Samsung product and see this.

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  17. What is this marketing nonsense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh thank goodness. Now my Facebook posts and SMS messages will be crisper and sharper than ever. Because on my $20 Android phone they were totally readable but didn't have that Apple zing!

    Slashdot hit rock bottom long ago. Now it has bought industrial drilling equipment and is digging.

    1. Re:What is this marketing nonsense? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 2

      Any forum is only as good as the content posted and the level of commentary.

      Silly bickering and misguided egos always can drag things down. .... just look at basically any political website to see the brainiacs having a go at each other in nonsensical but predictable ways.
      Seems like sometimes Slashdot, on certain stories attracts such useless banter.
      But mostly it is fun to read and still has interesting content despite the lame commentary that seems to have surged across our society.
      Too many internet tough guys unleashed, but still Slashdot has great content and I will always read it.

  18. "Absolutely pointless" to increase resolution? by Archon · · Score: 2

    Someone should let DisplayMate know that VR is a thing.

    1. Re:"Absolutely pointless" to increase resolution? by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      They're also wrong about the 12 inches. There have been studies that prove it's false. Diminishing returns yes, but the difference is discernible.

    2. Re:"Absolutely pointless" to increase resolution? by rat_herder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about 12" ? What studies proved that what is false? substantiate this gibberish or don't bother commenting.

    3. Re:"Absolutely pointless" to increase resolution? by loufoque · · Score: 2

      Is it really a thing though? Looks like a flop to me.

    4. Re:"Absolutely pointless" to increase resolution? by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Here's a study by Sharp. It's a PDF. http://www.eetasia.com/STATIC/...

  19. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes we do. It can add a little levity and help show that we aren't always pretentious pricks who need to talk down to others with our big words. If you had enough experience as a humble professional, you would know this.

  20. Re: Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They werenâ(TM)t as ubiquitous as they are now, but they certainly were a âoethingâ or âoedoohickey.â

  21. Samsung OLED burn-in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just give it time

  22. Re: Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can talk out my ass online too. If you're not going to provide proof to back up your claims of expertise, or let your arguments stand on their own merits, then you can cram it all right up your ass.

  23. Re: Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau by Wild_dog! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Apple can't compete against a broad and open market."

    Wait... isn't Apple functioning in the world economy? Did I miss something about Apple being uniquely out of the free market economy now?
    It would an amazing achievement to make such massive profits given that they are isolated in their own narrow and closed economic system. ;-P

  24. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your job was to make video hardware and radio hardware work together? Did you also work on the turboencabulator tuning?

  25. They must continue increasing the resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nobody will see it, but they'll know it's better.

    When you’re a carpenter making a beautiful chest of drawers, you’re not going to use a piece of plywood on the back, even though it faces the wall and nobody will ever see it. You’ll know it’s there, so you’re going to use a beautiful piece of wood on the back. For you to sleep well at night, the aesthetic, the quality, has to be carried all the way through.

  26. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The baseband had it's own video driver.

    The modem had its own video driver. Seems legit.

  27. It better... by MichaelJamesBattagli · · Score: 2

    ... at that price.

  28. At $1000 I can't afford, IT BETTER BE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if only I could think of a reason why I would need that.

    Frankly, for most stuff, a black-and-white e-paper display would suffice. (Calling, sending Signal IM messages, maybe checking mails, reading some news, using it as a WIFI remote control, listening to music.)

    And for videos, a phone is always gonna be shit, simply due to the size the display being limited by the size of my pocket.

    1. Re:At $1000 I can't afford, IT BETTER BE! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And for videos, a phone is always gonna be shit, simply due to the size the display being limited by the size of my pocket.

      Then the answer is clear: become overweight, so you'll need to buy bigger shirts and bigger pants which have bigger pockets.

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  29. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by lucm · · Score: 1

    Up until about 8 years ago my job was to get video drivers and displays working well together

    Great, that's about the same time every smartphone manufacturer except for Apple moved on from LCD to OLED. Isn't that an amazing coincidence.

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  30. Re: Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    The only people making it an Apple vs. Samsung competition are the Apple advocates. For everybody else, the smartphone business is a whole bunch of suppliers, and weird Apple off in their own headgame.

    Um, you mean besides the poster above who is clearly pro-Samsung and anti-Apple? I wouldn't call him an Apple advocate. It would seem that contrary to OP's assertion that would give Apple an advantage: They can get whatever component they want from a competitor but no competitor buys components from them as they never sell them.

    Apple can't compete against a broad and open market. They always narrow the comparison to themselves and the most expensive choice 'The Rest of Us' could choose.

    I would say the iPhone is strong contrary to your point. You want a smartphone not made by Apple; you have plenty of choice: Apple still makes a lot of money and is a powerful player in the smartphone market.

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  31. Re: Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

    The question is why you would post as an AC? But to counter to your point that's like saying Porsche can't compete against a broad and open market. They only makes sports cars and make themselves the most expensive choice. They should make more mini-vans for soccer moms. And to also counter your point it's not factually true. Can you get an iPhone cheaper than a Samsung or LG? Have you heard of the SE, 6, 6 Plus, 7, 7 Plus? I mean it's not like Apple doesn't have 8 models going from $350 to $999.

    They constantly position themselves in a magical made-up segment, like that guy who shoots the wall of a barn then goes and draw the target around his bullet holes.

    A made-up segment? They target the high end for computers and the phones cover a broad spectrum. So what? Why are you mad that Apple goes after a very specific market?

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  32. Re: Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The context is irrelevant. That sentence is just the opinion of an anti-Apple bitch. Of course Apple doesn't go out and advertise their phones as being better than a Moto G5 Plus. What the fuck would be the point? Does Jaguar advertise their cars as better than Yugos? Does Gordon Ramsey claim to be a better chef than a lunch-lady in a high-school cafeteria?

    This is marketing basics, dipshit. You don't aim for the bottom of the fucking barrel, you aim for the top. You don't advertise your product as better than some no-name Chinese knock-off, you advertise it as better than the top competitor in your space.

    You're the pathetic one here. You just can't stand that Apple makes tens of billions of dollars because they sell stuff that people actually want to buy and are willing to pay more for it. So go ahead and keep bashing Apple, the one making all the money, and have fun with your exploding batteries, manufacturer-bloated operating system, and an app store loaded with malware. Good luck with that.

  33. Fuck off whipslash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are really that gutless and stupid to have this posted?

  34. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should just stop. You're only making yourself look like a bigger idiot. Shut up, save face, and move the fuck along.

  35. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    TFTs were a thing, just not common. See, e.g, the Indy Presenter

    gopher://rohan.helluin.org/0/sgi/indy/Indy_Presenter.txt

    I only know this because I remember seeing one and thinking something like "woah future alien tech".

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  36. Ratio by Kohath · · Score: 1

    19.5:9 ? Surely you meant 39:18.

    1. Re:Ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      13:6 would be more appropriate.

    2. Re:Ratio by Alioth · · Score: 2

      No, they meant 1 : 0.461538461538.

  37. It's too bad they can't figure other stuff out.. by Lohrno · · Score: 1

    I hope someday they'll get their research guys on how to add a headphone jack to the suckers... Seems like it should be simple enough...

  38. 456 ppi? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

    Hello Apple, welcome to 2014

    - a BlackBerry Passport user

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  39. iphone doesnt have shit by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    samsung developed it, and makes it, its like saying I personally own the US army ... cause I pay someone else to do it for me

    1. Re:iphone doesnt have shit by rat_herder · · Score: 1

      Samsung manufactures the screen, that's it. Apparently they are the only company that can do a decent job if it. You guys are being willfully ignorant. Who makes Apples A11 chips? is it TSMC or Apple?

    2. Re:iphone doesnt have shit by Kristoph · · Score: 1

      The US Army doesn't manufacture it's own guns. Indeed, there are other armies who own the same guns and compared to those guys the US Army is, well, like Apple compared to virtually every other company making smartphones.

    3. Re:iphone doesnt have shit by loufoque · · Score: 1

      its

    4. Re:iphone doesnt have shit by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And who designs ARM processors for Samsung phones? Sometimes it is a Qualcomm design and sometimes it is Samsung.

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  40. Samsung phone displays not as bright. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Remember all that fuss about Samsung displays being way brighter than the iPhone X display?

    Well it turns out that just like battery life figures, Apple gives out accurate details while other people and manufacturers use the upper end of a range of numbers and lead you to assume it's an average.

    From the actual report:

    The Samsung Galaxy Note8 can produce up to 1,240 nits, but only for small portions of the screen area (Low Average Picture Levels) - for Full Screen Brightness the Note8 can produce up to 423 nits with Manual Brightness and 560 nits with Automatic Brightness only in High Ambient Light.

    Meanwhile Apple claims the iPhone X as 634 nits, but (again from the article):

    For small portions of the screen area the iPhone X can produce up to 809 nits (Low Average Picture Levels). On its Home Screen the iPhone X produces an impressively bright 726 nits.

    How can this be? It's because Samsung may be making the screen but Apple drove the design Samsung is manufacturing, from the pixel layout to the chips driving the display.

    Or maybe there are some other reasons Samsung is not shipping displays as good as the X has on Samsung's on hardware?

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    1. Re: Samsung phone displays not as bright. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brighter OLED just means quicker burn in. Samsung could probably just as easilly crank up the power to their oleds but they know what that means after nearly a decade of experience with the technology, where as this is Apple's 1st OLED experience other than the touch bar on their iMacs. Any one who has owned an OLED phone knows you don't leave the brightness cranked up all the way. I can't wait to hear the burn in complains from iPhone lusers that don't know how to care for an OLED. And this screen is still lower res than the OLED screen in my 3 year old note4

  41. Re: Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking dumass, the lesser known brother of Alexander Dumass

  42. Re:It's too bad they can't figure other stuff out. by rat_herder · · Score: 0

    I personally don't want my phone to have a headphone jack. It's a waste of space and i wouldn't buy a phone design that clings to such dead technology

  43. Re:Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau. by guacamole · · Score: 2

    The only thing keeping them alive is lock-in technologies and their walled garden, and that'll die out eventually as Samsung surpasses them in every technology avenue.

    If Samsung is so great, why does it abandon it's smartphone and tablet users in two years or less since the device announcement date? The price premium of Apple devices is well worth it because your device will be getting timely security updates and OS upgrades for up to five years. The old iPad Mini 2 and iPhone 5S which were available since the late 2013 are still running the latest iOS 11. On the other hand, where are the 2013 Samsung phones and tablets? Most of them are already in the trash can.

  44. Weird resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's my OCD, but 2436x1125 pixels? What kind of weird resolution and aspect ratio is that?

  45. Re:It's too bad they can't figure other stuff out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I personally don't want my phone to have a headphone jack. It's a waste of space and i wouldn't buy a phone design that clings to such dead technology

    The word "dead"... it doesn't seem to mean what you think it means.

  46. Biased, maybe? Bad comparison, at least... by Tomahawk · · Score: 0

    "The iPhone X's 5.8-inch OLED display includes a taller height to width aspect ratio of 19.5:9, 22 percent larger than the 16:9 aspect ratio on previous iPhone models (and most other smartphones)"

    But not most other flagship smartphones. Samsung, LG, Google, and other, are now all shipping 20:9 ratio screens (personally I wish they would have just stuck to 16:9...). The Samsung S8+ has a 6.2 screen, higher resolution (2960x1440), Super AMOLED, 529ppi screen, and doesn't have a chuck cut out of the top.

    Even the S8, which has a 5.8" screen the same as the iPhone X, has the same higher resolution (at 570ppi), a full 20:9, and no missing chuck at the top.

    If I were an iPhone person, I wouldn't be buying the iPhone X because of that stupid chuck they cut out. (And the lack of a headphones port. I didn't buy the Google Pixel XL explicitly because there's no headphone socket.)

  47. Re:Biased, maybe? Bad comparison, at least... by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    ... 18:9 ratio
    (my bad)

  48. Re: Extra value or extra appeal by Custard+Horse · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A made-up segment? They target the high end for computers and the phones cover a broad spectrum. So what? Why are you mad that Apple goes after a very specific market?

    Quite. It's not as though the specific market is the very rich. People who want an iPhone range from those on the poverty line up to the rich and famous. It's all about the 'draw' of the product to the consumer. >p>I recall seeing a news article about a nurse in the UK who wanted a Dodge Viper for £70k - around 3 years wages. She stopped going out, buying superfluous items and eventually she got the Viper. It didn't make sense to me but the product resonated with her.

    The iPhone is small change in comparison and much more useful. Apple has managed to convince consumers that there is extra value to their products for 10 years and the competition between Apple and other manufacturers benefits us all right?

  49. Re:Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah. So Apple has the greatest display tech..... that their biggest competitor (Samsung) makes

    You seem to be under the misapprehension that Samsung is a company. Samsung is a collection of largely independent companies that hate each other only slightly less than they hate all non-Korean companies. It's very misleading to think that Samsung displays, Samsung CPUs, and Samsung phones are made by the same company - Samsung phones often include non-Samsung parts even when there is a Samsung equivalent.

    Outsourcing manufacturing fails every, single, time. You give away your technology, teach others to make it, and then get yourself toasted as they figure out how to make it better, cheaper, faster, or just copy it so they don't have to pay for an R&D budget.

    There are basically no companies that build products without using any third-party suppliers. Apple makes their own CPUs, GPUs, and OS. They buy RAM and displays from third parties and buy flash from factories that they own but which are operated by third parties. In contrast, Samsung fabs their own SoCs, but typically using CPU and GPU IP that they've licensed from third parties (their flagship Exynos line contains ARM-designed GPUs, and ARM-designed CPUs, though the most recent iterations have also included a Samsung-designed CPU core). Their OS is largely under the control of Google. I'm not really sure what your point is.

    All companies do something like this, because manufacturing and R&D both have huge economies of scale. The more units you can amortise the costs across, the better, and if one supplier is selling to a dozen integrators then it's likely to be better and cheaper than anything designed in house. This was why AMD spun off Global Foundries, for example: they were producing around 20% of the volume of chips that Intel produced, and so couldn't compete building fabs with the latest technology, but when GF started fabbing chips for other vendors this volume went up and they were more able to compete (plus AMD had the option of using other companies' fabs if GF stumbled over a particular process node).

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  50. But it's missing the least innovative... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and low performance but sorely missed HEADPHONE JACK!

  51. Get to the point by Opportunist · · Score: 0

    Answer the two questions people really care about: How hard is it to root the thing and how easy to circumvent the current latest security gimmick?

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  52. Google's market by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Apple, Samsung and Google are making competing products for the same user base where they are trying to make the ultimate premium phone

    Google isn't making a product directly competing for the same user base.

    Google's userbase are the advertisers, and the product they sell are the eyeballs of the viewer.
    They don't care if you saw the ads while looking at a Google Pixel, a Samsung Galaxy, any other random Android-running smartphone, or even Apple iPhone, for that matters. As long as they managed to expose you to the ad, they earn money.

    Their other biggest revenue stream is their Play Store.
    Given the huge prevalence of Android-running devices, or even Android-compatible hardware (like Chromebooks or Jolla's Sailfish OS) Google again doesn't specifically need to build their own devices.

    Google making device isn't a revenue stream generator for them.
    It's only a way to show case bleeding edge technology that will end-up being eventually available in most other android-running device by other manufacturer.
    It's basically just a marketing stuff, to make sure that people will still go on-line and still run android apps.

    But they don't make the biggest chunk of their fortune by selling devices themselves, and thus are absolutely NOT in direct competition with Apple nor Samsung.

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  53. Technology dependant. by DrYak · · Score: 2

    That to me basically says "the display that'll suck my battery dry the fastest".

    Actually, that depends.

    classic IPS TFT LCD display contantly needs power (to keep the light on). Thus even a whole black screen consume power (to make light that will be blocked near completely by every signle liquid cristal). Only very recent high-range desktop and TV display have started locally varying the light emitted by LED backlights to adapt to local display (they'll dim the backlight in some region of the display instead of filtering the light through the LCD).

    OLED based display only need power to make the (proteins inside the) pixels shine. A dark pixel doesn't consume power, a whole black screen consume nearly no power at even if the phone is on (that's how OLED phone can manage not to kill battery while displaying time and/or status while suspended : only the non-black pixels consume power).

    So switching from LCD to OLED (and turning of display-while-suspended) actually can increase your battery life.

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    1. Re:Technology dependant. by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      So then, what you're saying is black pixels don't matter?

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    2. Re:Technology dependant. by torkus · · Score: 1

      All pixels matter. Think of what your screen would look like if you removed even one color.

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    3. Re:Technology dependant. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      If that color was black, it would look brighter. But, since my phone has an OLED display, my battery would suffer!!

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  54. Re:Biased, maybe? Bad comparison, at least... by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    Personally I agree, I like the 16:9 ratio aesthetically, it is close to the ~ 16:10 golden ratio so a lot of artists must agree also.

  55. Correct the article title, please by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Should be: "Samsung's display that Apple buys for the iPhone X is the most innovative and highest performance display ever tested"

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    1. Re:Correct the article title, please by gmb61 · · Score: 1

      Should be: "Samsung's display that Apple buys for the iPhone X is the most innovative and highest performance display ever tested"

      You mean the display that Samsung built to Apple's exacting specifications? (Apple basically designed the display, they just didn't manufacture it themselves).

    2. Re:Correct the article title, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what were Apples exacting specifications? "We want a display this size, and we need this little chunk cut out of the top"? Samsung developed the technology, they'll be able to manufacture up to a pixel density and beyond that, it's all fixed. Apples "design" won't be much beyond the shape of the thing. Besides, for the correctness of the color and such, so long as the display can handle it, the display driver is far more important. The whole saying "garbage in, garbage out" works on displays. The driver can correct if the display is a bit off, but the display has no way of knowing if the signal it's being told to display is accurate or not.

    3. Re:Correct the article title, please by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Source?

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  56. Most expensive phone has decent screen by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Well imagine that. Amazing.

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  57. Someone missed 4k by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

    They obviously didn't test it against a modern 4k phone display like https://www.sonymobile.com/ca-...
    458ppi? Try 806. What a laugh.

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    1. Re:Someone missed 4k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha! What a laugh indeed. Apple is anticipated to return on the low end $80B revenue in the holiday quarter. Sony has made $68B revenue so far this YEAR, and $72.6B last year. All of those laughable foolish people.
      What a modern laugh!

    2. Re:Someone missed 4k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how is seems some companies are trying to push tech forward and be innovative and then there is apple that just wants to overcharge and make money. I know who I'd rather support.

    3. Re:Someone missed 4k by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      So wait, you *support* Apple charging more for a device with less technology?
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  58. Re:Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau. by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    Open up an Apple II computer and you'll see it's made entirely from bits made by other manufacturers.

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  59. Re:Off-the-shelf versus internally developed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you are misinterpreting what Puls4r is saying (not that I agree with him).

    There are a few ways to make products. One is to use off-the-shelf components and piece them together to make your own product. This completely off-the-shelf model tends to be quick and produce lower cost products since there is very little R&D overhead incurred. But it tends toward 'me too' products with little / no innovation in hardware.

    The other is to start from there then use your own R&D to develop new unique components which then can differentiate your product from others. You develop new and exciting things, manufacture them, and pair them with off-the-shelf components to get a truly unique product that no competitor can match.

    What Puls4r is alluding to is that Apple's R&D develops some great components, then gives those components to others to manufacture (like Samsung and TSMC making Apple's signature ARM processors, or Samsung making Apple's 'improved' display. What Puls4r is contending is that Apple is giving their potential competitors an advantage by giving them the know-how (and paying them to develop the tooling and process needed) to make better products without them incurring the R&D cost, information and technique they can then employ on their own competing products (even if not exactly copy, but take the learning about what improvements are possible, etc...).

    While what you are referring to is Samsung using off-the-shelf components, not the same as developing your own and using other companies to manufacture.

    Also, re: Samsung using LG for displays: That is for their LCD TV displays, not their smartphone displays on their mid and high range phones which are AMOLED displays manufactured by Samsung Displays.

  60. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though granted I don't typically use doohickey, I am a fan of thingamajig, whatchamadoodle and thingy jingy. You see, I'm an engineer, not a linguist, and words are hard.

  61. screen resolution by clenhart · · Score: 2

    "DisplayMate said this means that it's now "absolutely pointless" to increase the display resolution and pixels per inch of the iPhone any further, since there would be "no visual benefit" for users."

    Clearly they haven't used Google Cardboard.

  62. mmhm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insta-bought. I'm convinced.

  63. need higher resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Except that phones are now used for VR where you are looking at screen from 2-3 inches away through magnifying glasses! Would love to get to point where you cannot see pixels with this setup.

  64. Self-stroking reporting... by Timothy2.0 · · Score: 1

    Not that I expect much from macrumors.com besides self-stroking masturbation, but it's funny to see them flex *Apple* in the headline instead of, you know, *Samsung*, who developed the damn screen. Instead, those who should get the credit for the innovation are given second billing...That's just limp.

  65. most...high performance" smartphone display...ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rubbish! I read an article about the new IPhone X and the images of the display didn't look any better than that of the phone I was reading the article on. In fact, the resolution and contrast looked worse...

  66. Re:Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed, assuming the display is the best display of them all... one display to rule them all and in the darkness bind the customers and all that...

    Then BY DEFINITION, it must be Samsung who has the best display, since they are the ones making that god damn display... you can not "improve" a display made by others... please remove Apple tintet glasses!!! Jeez!

    Apple has no real R&D, they have no reason to keep secrets... ANY TECH they use, have ALREADY been COMMON on ALL ANDROID phones for the LAST 4 YEARS when an iPhone FINALLY gets to try SOME of the TECH!

    Apple can in no way be described as cutting edge, unless they live in an alternate timeline that is displayed by 5 years compared to their competition

    and yes, they have competition, wheather or not their marketing department wants to acknowledge that fact or not

    even Samsung, that has become a SAD SAD Apple clone, still does iPhones better than Apple

  67. 120hz? 4k? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Razor phone 120hz screen is smoother, and it's not 4k like other phones, so by 'best' you mean nice looking.

  68. apple is not a tech company but a marketing compan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that screen is made by samsung electronics for apple , apple is the Nike of IT , doesnt do an OS ( darwin is just a skin on top of freeBSD) , doesnt do a processor (dumped its own powerPC chip in favor of intel) , screen memory of idevices are samsung , processor was bought from ARM under license , apple really is just an image , pure markeeting no manufactoring

  69. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fanboiz idiot - "the video driver plays a much more important part"... It's important, not necessarily much more tard. Go hook that much more important video driver to your lcd of the 90s that could change state about once per second in the cold.

    Up until about 8 years ago my job was to get video drivers and displays working well together with various baseband chips

    Then they found out you are a blow-hard know-nothing, and you were fired.

  70. Re: Extra value or extra appeal by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    . Apple has managed to convince consumers that there is extra value to their products for 10 years and the competition between Apple and other manufacturers benefits us all right?

    No. Apple like any other brand needs to convince everyone that their product is worth it. As for extra value, do you mean besides the years of software updates Apple iPhones seem to have which are longer than their Android counterparts? You mean besides a software library that doesn't have a reputation for malware?

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  71. Re:Off-the-shelf versus internally developed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    There are a few ways to make products. One is to use off-the-shelf components and piece them together to make your own product. This completely off-the-shelf model tends to be quick and produce lower cost products since there is very little R&D overhead incurred. But it tends toward 'me too' products with little / no innovation in hardware.

    Yes but only applies to hardware where there is anything to innovate. That doesn't apply to commodity hardware. For example, what R&D improvements could Apple gain by making their own RAM? Not much. Open multiple phones of the same model and you might get RAM from multiple suppliers.

    What Puls4r is alluding to is that Apple's R&D develops some great components, then gives those components to others to manufacture (like Samsung and TSMC making Apple's signature ARM processors, or Samsung making Apple's 'improved' display. What Puls4r is contending is that Apple is giving their potential competitors an advantage by giving them the know-how (and paying them to develop the tooling and process needed) to make better products without them incurring the R&D cost, information and technique they can then employ on their own competing products (even if not exactly copy, but take the learning about what improvements are possible, etc...).

    The flaw in that logic is that only Apple "gives away R&D" because Apple is the only one does this. Every single smartphone manufacturer outsources some part. Some component makers also do this. For example, Qualcomm doesn't manufacture their own processors as they have no fabs; they sell their designs. Also the other flaw is the assumption that no one in the industry does any sort of research on their competitor's product. If Apple manufactured their own ARM processors, you'd bet Samsung and Qualcomm would dissect it as soon as it came on the market. How is that different than today? There's no difference. Qualcomm and Samsung probably dissect every single Apple Ax processors when they come on the market. For Samsung they probably dissect the TSMC variants to gain advantages over TSMC. And I bet you Samsung dissects Qualcomm processors as well.

    If anything Apple has an advantage because while they can buy components from their competitors, no competitor can buy their components. For example Apple will never sell their ARM processors to competition directly. You want an Apple Ax processor you have to buy the whole phone. Samsung still sells their ARM processors to their competitors although it may not be their top end ones.

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  72. Re:Um, yeah. How about no by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

    LCDs were a thing in the late 1980s, what on Earth are you talking about? You didn't generally buy them separately but there were quite a few computers sold with LCD screens. There were color "LCDs" by the mid-1990s (most, admittedly, pretty awful, though the technology improved rapidly), and by the late 1990s, standalone VGA-fed LCD monitors were a thing.

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  73. Re:Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Open a Samsung phone and you'll see bits made by other manufacturers.

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  74. Re:apple is not a tech company but a marketing com by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    doesnt do an OS ( darwin is just a skin on top of freeBSD)

    That's not factually true. Darwin is the open source variant of macOS which is derived from NextSTEP which is a long way derived from BSD. That's like saying humans are just skins on top of orangutans.

    doesnt do a processor (dumped its own powerPC chip in favor of intel)

    Yes because Dell, HP, Lenovo (formerly IBM), etc. all made their own processors for their x86 computers in the last decade . . . wait none of them did.

    processor was bought from ARM under license

    Not factually true either. Buying an architecture license is from ARM is not buying a processor from ARM. Ask Qualcomm.

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  75. Re: Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

    Apple is competing in a broad and open market that is the point. They just choose how to do it to generate maximum profit. That is simply smart business.
    You need to recognize sarcasm is all. Or in my comment above... simple snakiness.

  76. White power grabber by DrYak · · Score: 1

    So then, what you're saying is black pixels don't matter?

    Or that white pixels are keeping the most power, depending on which flamewar you want to start.

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    1. Re:White power grabber by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Of course, that means that pixels of color (other than black, of course) have varying degrees of power, depending on how light or dark they are. Yellow pixels have the most power, next th white, which is fine by me since they're, on average, the prettiest.

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  77. Re:Thanks for this insightful Marketing Ploy Beau. by Archimonde · · Score: 1

    The old iPad Mini 2 and iPhone 5S which were available since the late 2013 are still running the latest iOS 11.

    Sure they are. By being slower than a slideshow. And battery life was killed on all devices (except iphone 8) by iOS11.

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