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FCC Repeals Decades-Old Rules Blocking Broadcast Media Mergers (variety.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Washington Post (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source): Federal regulators rolled back decades-old rules on Thursday, making it far easier for media outlets to be bought and sold -- potentially leading to more newspapers, radio stations and television broadcasters being owned by a handful of companies. The regulations, eliminated in a 3-to-2 vote by the Federal Communications Commission, were first put in place in the 1970s to ensure that a diversity of voices and opinions could be heard on the air or in print. But now those rules represent a threat to small outlets that are struggling to survive in a vastly different media world, according to FCC Chairman Ajit Pai. One long-standing rule repealed Thursday prevented one company in a given media market from owning both a daily newspaper and a TV station. Another rule blocked TV stations in the same market from merging with each other if the combination would leave fewer than eight independently owned stations. The agency also took aim at rules restricting the number of TV and radio stations that any media company could simultaneously own in a single market. A major beneficiary of the deregulatory moves, analysts say, is Sinclair, a conservative broadcasting company that is seeking to buy up Tribune Media for $3.9 billion.

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  1. Trump hates consumers by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tax plan? We're fucked long term even if we luck out short term. Net neutrality? We're fucked. Bringing back coal? We're fucked. This? We're fucked.

    1. Re:Trump hates consumers by ckatko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1996 called. Bill Clinton wants his Telecommunications Act act back. It let 6 corporations own 90% of all media by 2012. You know, before Trump was ever elected.

      But don't let facts get in the way of your soapbox.

    2. Re:Trump hates consumers by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a very confused response. First, just because a similar bad thing has happened in the past, that doesn't mean that other bad things aren't bad, or even worse. Heck, the difference between 90% and 99% is a pretty big and important one. Second, the post you were replying to didn't just mention this specific thing but also the tax plan, repeal of net neutrality, and Trump's attempts to put coal over the environment. Third, the 1996 Telecommunications Act was written when the Republicans controlled both the House and Senate. While the Clinton Whitehouse did have some input, at the end of the day, they didn't write it, simply signed a bill that had passed with strong majorities.

    3. Re:Trump hates consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tax plan? We're fucked long term even if we luck out short term. Net neutrality? We're fucked. Bringing back coal? We're fucked. This? We're fucked.

      Maybe Jon Stewart had this kind of thing in mind when he dubbed Mr. Trump Fuck Face Von Clown Stick.

      They all freaked when Clinton uttered the world deplorables, but as near as I can tell this is what a lot of the people that elect these type of people are. (I do not excuse being uninformed, or mislead by Russia. Citizenship has duties. Getting correct information, no matter how hard it is to do so, is one of them. Believing it because Alex Jones or Facebook show it is not an excuse.) My favorite excuse from the more informed is that Trump is okay since he is doing some things on some peoples bucket list, which is probably mostly stacking the bench with judges they approve of.

      People blamed Obama for the debt going to all hell, but he was just recovering from a recession and the Bush tax cuts. Yes he compromised and made most of them permanent, save for the highest tier (i think that is correct), but then I'm not sure he could have done anything else, but someone can correct me if Obama still had majorities in the house and senate at that time.

      Now they are playing the same game, thinking the dems won't let the middle class tax cuts lapse, and they won't be able to undo the corporate changes, but as mentioned before, all they need is a president and a simple majority to play the same game in reverse.

      What is worse is the key to this current tax cut mess, which corporations like sinclair are going to love and likely use to grow even bigger, without limit, is throwing another dagger into health care. Not requiring people to buy health care doesn't in itself save a single dime, but the indirect effects are huge. Why is that, well the indirect effect millions lose health care, and everyone else's rates go up, again.

      Guess what happens when millions lose health care? A lot of those eventually result in deaths that were preventable. In other words, to pad the corps and rich friends pockets, they are more than willing to see a lot of Americans die or suffer, but fortunately, most of their sources of news can now be owned by the right people, so they can reassure us that it is for the best.

    4. Re:Trump hates consumers by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Yes, the first 90% of consolidation is so much better than the last 10%...

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    5. Re:Trump hates consumers by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      THIS BULLSHIT TODAY is orders-of-magnitude worse than the 1996 changes.

      The difference is that in 1996 it actually mattered, because people still got their news from broadcast TV and radio.

    6. Re:Trump hates consumers by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      They still do. Polls consistently show that viewers of Fox News ...

      Fox News is a cable company, not broadcast TV.

    7. Re:Trump hates consumers by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Net neutrality? We're fucked. Bringing back coal? We're fucked.

      Yes, but at least we have the great success of the Keystone XL Pipeline.

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    8. Re:Trump hates consumers by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Informative

      They still do. Polls consistently show that viewers of Fox News ...

      Fox News is a cable company, not broadcast TV.

      It would have been funnier had you included the remainder of the original quote:

      ... the largest and most successful among its competitors by far, are the worst-informed news consumers of all.

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    9. Re: Trump hates consumers by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      ...a nice true socialism

      If you add hookers, weed and mercury-free tuna rolls, I'm in.

    10. Re:Trump hates consumers by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      Is Wikipedia wrong here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996 where they list it as passing 91-5 in the Senate and 414-16 in the House? If those aren't strong majorities, what possibly are?

    11. Re:Trump hates consumers by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Hmm, if only the President was responsible for passing laws... who was in charge of Congress in 1996? I wonder...

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    12. Re:Trump hates consumers by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      Fox News is a cable company, not broadcast TV.

      Damn straight! And that means they reach the whole country! Not just to certain local regions where consolidation is a ... problem ...

      Never mind.

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    13. Re:Trump hates consumers by spongman · · Score: 1

      moral & political relativism, right there.

    14. Re:Trump hates consumers by spongman · · Score: 1

      The 1996 act was an act of congress, introduced by a Republican, voted for almost unanimously by Republicans.

    15. Re:Trump hates consumers by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1996 called. Bill Clinton wants his Telecommunications Act act back. It let 6 corporations own 90% of all media by 2012. You know, before Trump was ever elected.

      But don't let facts get in the way of your soapbox.

      Textbook example of whataboutism. Can we focus on the thing that is being done right now, please? Rather than distract with something from 20 years ago?

    16. Re:Trump hates consumers by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      The people who voted for Trump hate consumers...means themselves. None of this comes as a surprise. Just like Hitler, Trump was very upfront and honest about which crap he plans to pull off. Now he can do it thanks to the idiots at the polls and the club of gropers and child molesters in Congress. As Adenauer once said, every country has the government it deserves. The path to hell started with putting these inept Tea Party morons into office and clinging to ultranationalistic ideas.

    17. Re:Trump hates consumers by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 2

      When it was wrong then, why is it OK today? I am sick of the Trump fans pointing out that others messed up as well and therefore it is OK for Trump & Co to do the same. With that insane logic anything can be excused.

    18. Re:Trump hates consumers by markdavis · · Score: 1

      Damnit, I made a HUGE error. I was investigating the makeup of the Congress (D/R) and got that mixed up with the voting on the bill. I apologize for the error and thank you for politely pointing it out. I do wish there was a way to edit.

      So the numbers tell a different story (one that further supports what I was trying to say)- that it passed with large Democrat support in both houses AND the Executive.

    19. Re: Trump hates consumers by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      ...a nice true socialism

      If you add hookers, weed and mercury-free tuna rolls, I'm in.

      I'd strike the hookers (to each their own) but add in significantly reducing or eliminating wage slavery, then I'm in too. I think the problem is in the high tax socialism system it is just another form of a wage slavery. Either you're a slave to the government or you're a slave to the corporation, pick your poison. Personally, I'd choose the free market and corporation. Why you ask? It's simple. Under high tax socialism, you're guaranteed to be a wage slave for life. In the free market system, at least if you know how to play the game well, you can actually get to personal freedom at some point in your lifetime. One is a mathematical possibility, the other is not.

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    20. Re:Trump hates consumers by coofercat · · Score: 1

      most of their sources of news can now be owned by the right people, so they can reassure us that it is for the best.

      Hmm... Trump-o-vision? TrumpTV, TrumpNews, World of Trump, TrumpFilms, TrumpFlix?

      As fun as it is to come up with Trump-esque crass names for things, it seems unlikely Trump would control any amount of the mega-corp that'll soon be running all of your media. But that's not to say your next president won't. By then, the rest of us will just call it your 'state broadcaster'.

    21. Re:Trump hates consumers by PoopJuggler · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean like the successful Keystone pipeline that just leaked 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota?

    22. Re:Trump hates consumers by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      Thanks for being so reasonable about this; we all make silly mistakes on occasion. And yes, it did have large Democratic support; my comment was primarily about the claim that "Bill Clinton" had something to do with it. It is true that it also had a lot of Democratic support, so one can't blame the bad effects on the Republicans alone. Although if we're going down this route then I'm also going to have to express that there are a lot of provisions of the 1996 act (some introduced by Republicans and some by Democrats) which had other, positive results. What is under discussion is only one aspect of it.

    23. Re:Trump hates consumers by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember Trump was very popular on /. because he was against the TPP. Where were you in Nov or before?

    24. Re:Trump hates consumers by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't mind just starting over after Trump. Perhaps a nice true socialism that can counter private corporate interests in the actual public interest on a consistent basis?

      If you're fearful of corporations but not equally fearful of the government, that's not wise.

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    25. Re:Trump hates consumers by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      It's not. If I understand the GP correctly, he's saying SIX telecommunication operators is terrible, but ONE would be awesome.

      (Not only is it terrible whataboutism but I don't have much of a problem with six anyway...)

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    26. Re:Trump hates consumers by Chas · · Score: 1

      Nope. Actually, this is simply going to exacerbate the existing lack of confidence most people have for broadcast news, causing these propaganda outlets to fail even faster.

      I for one, think it's long LONG overdue.

      And hey, do you know how many people out there go their entire lives without the plethora of sexual over-service that we're getting? ;)

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  2. We knew this was coming by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    as soon as Trump got elected. For everyone that voted against him, I'm sorry. For everyone that voted for him, enjoy your media consolidation turning into propaganda. Sure, you'll ignore it, but people around you will get pulled in. And they'll vote for things way, way worse than this.

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    1. Re:We knew this was coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They won't ignore it, they're in it already, gullibly believing every idiotic conspiracy theory or distraction. At this point they need the validation this will provide. There will be even more brainwashed idiots parroting the big lie of the day. This is just completing the feedback loop.

    2. Re:We knew this was coming by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, screw Trump and his Obama appointees!

      Like Mike Flynn?

    3. Re:We knew this was coming by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      So this "Media Concentration" happened AFTER Clinton Signed and ONLY after restrictions on local sales were lifted.
      Wow, all Pro-Business, and THEY screwed the pooch with monopolies
      Well color me shocked.

    4. Re:We knew this was coming by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Because CNN handing questions to one party's candidate is certainly NOT an indication of propaganda and outright, blatant partisanship, amirite?

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    5. Re:We knew this was coming by markdavis · · Score: 1

      The bill had large Democrat support in both houses. I did make an error, however- it would have been veto proof.

    6. Re:We knew this was coming by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Do you really believe that almost everyone who disagrees with your (degenerate, anti-working-class) political opinions is an uneducated dunce?

      Only the ones who would believe that my political opinions are "degenerate" or "anti-working-class".

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    7. Re:We knew this was coming by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      How does that relate to media bias? Seriously - are you trying to deny that giving debate questions ahead of the debate to only one candidate is somehow NOT an example of bias?

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    8. Re:We knew this was coming by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Anything more than zero would be an issue, wouldn't it?

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  3. Am I the only old nerd... by forkfail · · Score: 2

    ... who actually misses broadcast TV, usenet, bbs's, and horrible, personal HTML 1.1 web pages instead of this centralized mess that we seem hell bent on creating?

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    1. Re:Am I the only old nerd... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Apart from broadcast TV, you mean the short period of time where only nerds used computers?

      I 'member! /memberberries

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  4. Deregulation by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's worth exercising a bit of reflection before deregulating. You're taking the bumpers off the bumper-cars. Somebody could get hurt. Remember the mortgage crisis?

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    1. Re:Deregulation by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      No need to go the analogy route, just take a look at what happened to the local FM radio market. I don't think anyone can argue that the entire thing hasn't gone to shit since the FCC allowed those radio stations to consolidate.

      And yes, I understand there is Satellite radio (which is super expensive) and internet radio (which cell carriers are throttling/capping because they want to get paid from both the consumer and the internet radio providers at the same time).

      So at this point, if you spend a lot of time on the road and if you don't have much money, your remaining option is shit radio that plays itself in a loop each day.

  5. So eventfully only ones left by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    will be party flavor controlled and all the indie ones will be labeled fake news and conspiracy sites.

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    1. Re:So eventfully only ones left by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Well you will probably still have the occasional billionaire with an axe to grind pop up.

  6. Social media is king (of the news) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Diversity of voices is important, but when >60% of the country gets its "news" from social media (and that percentage is growing), who owns the local TV station or newspaper becomes irrelevant.

    1. Re:Social media is king (of the news) by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      Where do you think that social media news comes from? Hint: It's not made by Facebook or Twitter.

  7. Fascism progresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    In Germany they called the result of this Gleichschaltung: all media effectively delivering the same content (propaganda).

    These days the fascists uniforms are suits...

  8. Re: Is this the same media by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    You are missing the point (imagine the surprise all of us with an IQ above 70 are experiencing over that) ... this allows the elimination of those voices through hostile acquisition.

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  9. Re:WHAT A THIRD WORLD SHITHOLE! by sit1963nz · · Score: 2

    The USA only ranks 43rd in the world for "freedom of the press". Its not like you are the leader of the free world or anything.

  10. Canada is nearby, and about 50% more Socialist by raymorris · · Score: 1, Troll

    Canada is right next door, and significantly more Socialist. Since they have the third-largest petroleum reserves in the world, their standard of living is pretty good, like other oil-rich countries. You might enjoy it there.

  11. Re: Is this the same media by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    No, I think you are missing the point. The media is already largely consolidated (90% owned by 6 corporations) and is overwhelmingly biased against Trump and the political right. How is it going to get much worse if it continues to consolidate?

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  12. You have a point, but derailed your own point by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You have a good point - any major policy change should be made only after careful reflection and should probably be phased in gradually so you can nip it in the bud if problems come up.

    That said, you probably couldn't have come up with a worse "example" for the way you were trying to take that. Here's a brief summary of the mortgage crisis:

    Congress tried to force bank's to make loans to people who couldn't afford them via regulation.

    Banks have employees who can do arithmetic, so they refused to put themselves out of business by systematically making loans that frequently wouldn't be paid back.

    Congress, through more regulation, arranged for it to be PROFITABLE for banks to make money-spinner loans.

    Bank's did the arithmetic and saw that indeed creating money-losing deals was now artificially profitable, so they did it - a lot.

    The easy availability of mortgage money to people who previously didn't qualify meant that more people were in the market to buy houses.

    The inrush of buyers temporarily increased housing prices (supply and demand).

    Rising prices attracted speculators, which are buyers, further increasing prices.

    When the rush of unqualified buyers was over and supply caught up to demand, prices fell. (The bubble is noticeably leaking)

    People moving couldn't sell their house for as much as they owed, triggering foreclosures. (Pop)

    Foreclosures further increased supply, depressing prices.

    Rumors of reactionary legistlation, and actual legistlation, causes bank's to tighten lending standards.

    Money dries up, and the velocity of money drops.

    It all began with more regulation pretending that social desires would magically override arithmetic.

    In the end, what was a popped bubble had a credit crunch added to it by emotionally-driven, reactionary regulation. The bank's didn't suddenly all decide to start making a bunch of bad loans to people who couldn't afford it because they all suddenly felt like going out of business. They started making bad loans because Congress-critters thought they could score political points by forcing bank's to do stupid, then realized bank's would only do so if Congress made it artificially profitable.

    You gave an example of very poorly thought out policy change, but a case of MORE really dumb regulation, not less.

    1. Re:You have a point, but derailed your own point by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Congress, through more regulation, arranged for it to be PROFITABLE for banks to make money-spinner loans.

      Which legislation was this?

    2. Re:You have a point, but derailed your own point by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Congress tried to force bank's to make loans to people who couldn't afford them via regulation.

      Congress has never done that. That was a lie perpetuated by certain right wing elements after the 2008 crash, by pretending that making it illegal to discriminate by skin color is the same thing as making it illegal to discriminate by income.

      It's also inherently an argument that's racist for that reason: it implies that blacks can't pay back loans, regardless of income. That kind of blatant race baiting is why we have Trump's Republican party, and I know quite a few Republicans who admit promoting this kind of BS was an error.

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  13. "Social media" is king BECAUSE... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Diversity of voices is important, but when >60% of the country gets its "news" from social media (and that percentage is growing), who owns the local TV station or newspaper becomes irrelevant.

    But people are getting their "news" from social media (which apparently includes internet-only news reporting operations) BECAUSE the broadcast news operations are ALREADY untrusted.

    This, in turn is because the EXISTING regulatory regime produced exactly the non-competitive, single-point-of-view, broadcast media oligopoly that this regulation was SUPPOSED to prevent.

    Since it didn't work, why bother with it?

    Since it seemed to work BACKWARD (as often happens with laws and regulations), maybe eliminating it will actually IMPROVE the situation by lowering barriers to new entrants.

    = = = =

    Question for anyone who happened to dig into the actual rulemaking: Did this also eliminate the rule preventing a single owner of a set of broadcast outlets that, in aggregate, can reach more than about a third of the population? THAT's an even more powerful killer of attempts to start up broadcast media with non-mainstream viewpoints.

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    1. Re:"Social media" is king BECAUSE... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      This, in turn is because the EXISTING regulatory regime produced exactly the non-competitive, single-point-of-view, broadcast media oligopoly that this regulation was SUPPOSED to prevent. Since it didn't work, why bother with it?

      Seems a bit like saying "If my diet of single cheeseburgers isn't helping me lose weight, why don't I just start eating double quarter pounders?"

      But people are getting their "news" from social media (which apparently includes internet-only news reporting operations) BECAUSE the broadcast news operations are ALREADY untrusted.

      I worry about the type of people who do still get their news from broadcast TV. Seems to me that it's mainly moderate boomers. Judging from my father in law, once boomers start sitting in front of Fox News propaganda for hours on end, they veer more and more into Trump territory. Local news isn't great, but it's not Fox.

      IF Sinclair buys up broadcast news, they'll turn a good chunk of moderate boomers either off news entirely or into GOP tools.

  14. Re: Is this the same media by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You seem to think accurate reporting is "bias" if it rightly reports truths you dislike. All scientists also are very biased by your definition of bias.

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  15. Maybe just scrapping it IS something better. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Maybe time to scrap it and come up with something better.

    Maybe just scrapping it IS something better.

    Regulating the broadcast media to "promote" divergent viewpoints got us the current monolith. NOT regulating the Internet got us an explosion of divergent views.

    Robert LeFevre described government as "a disease masquerading as its own cure". Maybe regulation IS the problem.

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  16. Local over-the-air AND Internet access Monopolies! by atrimtab · · Score: 1

    So now all the local over-the-air media companies can combine while your local monopoly cable company or telco will be able to only give you *fast* access to their chosen monopolists.

    Welcome to FREEDOM! Freedom from choice in local over-the-air media. Where every channel is Clear Channel. And freedom from the choice of a neutral open Internet where access is the same no matter what site you are using. Where instead all your propaganda is provided by the highest bidder.

    Welcome to the Cable Televisation of the Internet.

    Old books (not connected via monopolist Internet access or over-the-air media) are looking better and better.

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  17. What about total ownership by jonwil · · Score: 1

    There are (or were) rules preventing one entity from owning more than a certain number of TV stations across the entire US. Has that rule gone away with these changes as well or is there still an overall restriction? (and if so, what is the number currently set at)

  18. I actually already moved by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I actually already did move to a place that is culturally and politically more in line with my preferences. Check out Mahone Bay and Prince Edward Island.

  19. Re: Is this the same media by Cyberax · · Score: 1

    Against Trump? Really? The whole campaign was basically a witch hunt season on Hillary and “whatever you say Mr. Trump”.

  20. Re:It didn't work anyways by Cyberax · · Score: 1, Troll

    How to tell that a conservative is lying? His lips are moving! Here’s the list of papers endorsing Trump: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

  21. Wrong. Stop Rewriting History. by mpapet · · Score: 3, Informative

    Parent blames "Congress" when in fact, the financial regulators were deregulating banking. Congress did their part. Guess who was driving the deregulation? Banks.

    Parent also has a rudimentary understanding of the problem that's fundamentally wrong in so many ways no one would read the wall of text..

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  22. Re: Is this the same media by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    So how about Trump and the koi pond? Flat out lied. Textbook fake news. Accurate reporting my ass. Just think of the people who still aren't aware of what really happened despite video evidence.

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  23. Re: Is this the same media by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    How on Earth do you believe that? The whole media lined up against Trump. They all endorsed Hillary. The New York Times misled its readers and published an apology after the election.

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  24. New World Order by iTrawl · · Score: 1

    I bet this isn't what people have in mind when they think NWO. Their paranoia is focused on the wrong things (Psst, that's exactly how the NWO-people want you - focus on those Illuminati sticking chips in your neck, *thumbs up*)

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  25. Re:LOL by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

    No, the only reason Trump is president is because people cast votes for him, period. There were other people on the ballot and you could always write-in a name. Americans need to learn that they don't _have_ to vote for the person in their party. All those chuckleheads in the red states voted for him on purpose, because they identify with all his bullshit ideals. They would not have voted for Bernie anyway because they care more about sticking it to the brown people than the good of society as a whole.

  26. What do you think caused it to suddenly happen? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    You're not wrong about some of the mechanisms used and han nature that amplified the problem.

    What exactly do you think caused it to suddenly happen at that moment? People have been "greedy" for millions of years. That didn't suddenly change. And guess what - it won't change in the future either. Here's a hint at what triggered it:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...

    > this is the important part, trading mortgages as securities

    Mortgage-backed securities have been around for many decades. They were quite popular in the 1970s. They were used in the events of 2006-2008, but they weren't new, so their existence wasn't the cause.

    > The mortgage crisis was caused by get rich quick scam artists, corporate greed, and Wall Street traders who all wanted something for next to nothing. Financial businesses have a duty to accurately assess risks

    Again, people have always wanted "something for nothing". That didn't change (and won't change in the future). What changed was the government arranged for banks to be able to make money off bad mortgages. "Accurately assess risks" you say. You know what happens to a bank that DOESN'T assess risk accurately and loans out the bank's money to people who can't pay it back? The bank goes out of business when they've handed out all their money - unless bad business decisions are made artificially profitable by government. The government wanted risky loans to be made, because "it's unfair that some people can't get mortgages".

    Perhaps it IS "unfair"*, but it's mathematical fact that when you loan money to a bunch of people who can't make the payments, you end up with a bunch of defaulted loans and a big mess.

    As I mentioned, the problem was greatly amplified by the number of investors and speculators attracted by the rising prices - rising prices that were caused by the sudden increase of buyers in 2006, people who previously wouldn't be able to get a loan because lending to them is a bad risk.

    "Greedy" people, people who want to get "stuff" easily, will come up with easy ways of producing stuff, such as the printing press, combine harvester, steam engine, etc. Only when an outside force artificially changes by economy can someone continue to get more stuff by doing things that are actually destructive. The natural way to get more stuff, more easily, is by producing more stuff more easily.

    * "Unfair" in the same sense that it's unfair that my friend who jogs daily can run a marathon, while I can't run a marathon because I don't exercise. Unfair meaning different outcomes, caused by doing different things.

    1. Re:What do you think caused it to suddenly happen? by mesterha · · Score: 1
      For the most part I think your analysis is accurate and balanced.

      Mortgage-backed securities have been around for many decades. They were quite popular in the 1970s. They were used in the events of 2006-2008, but they weren't new, so their existence wasn't the cause.

      Credit default swaps were invented by Blythe Masters from JP Morgan in 1994 and increased in use in the early 2000s. It's interesting that it took 12 years. I would guess that the financial players are always trying to cook up new schemes within the current rules. Perhaps they even considered this a safe technique. It was clearly fine for a while. However, there are often unintended consequences when trying new things. Also, it's well know that their models didn't take into account heavy tail distributions caused by correlations in variables.

      Also from the Subprime Mortgage Wikipedia page/,

      The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (majority report), Federal Reserve economists, and several academic researchers have stated that government affordable housing policies were not the major cause of the financial crisis.[6][112] They also state that Community Reinvestment Act loans outperformed other "subprime" mortgages, and GSE mortgages performed better than private label securitizations.

      So some experts disagree. I do think it's probably noncontroversial to say that without the credit default swap issue, the crisis would have been much less severe.

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  27. Nobody watches this stuff, anyway. by biggaijin · · Score: 1

    I stopped paying attention to broadcast TV and print newspapers years ago, just as many others have. We don't need to worry about monopolies in broadcast media because nobody is watching anyway. They're all walking dead and just don't know it yet.

  28. Re:It didn't work anyways by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Clearly the regulations did not lead to any diversity of opinion whatsoever

    I would expect, if the facts are obvious, newspapers to tend to report the same thing. In politics that's not frequent because frequently the facts aren't obvious, but it was fairly clear well before Trump was elected that he would be awful.

    Remember even many conservative publications were against Trump. This wasn't a conservative vs liberal thing, it was readily apparent.

    I don't want "diversity of opinion" when it comes to actual facts - all media should strive to tell the truth, and you will expect, when they do, for them to tell similar stories and form similar opinions.

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  29. Re: Is this the same media by Cyberax · · Score: 1

    How had NY Times misled readers? How? They reported everything fairly and honestly. They honestly say that Trump is a fucking nutty idiot.

    It's just that tons of media in the US are trying to do "both sides are equal" BS thus making people think that there are no right or wrong viewpoints. This leads all the way up: "Views on the shape of the Earth differ, now let's hear what our esteemed Flat Earth Party member has to say".

  30. Re: Is this the same media by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    That Russian dossier, right? That was straight-up correct! Or how about Dan Rather's fake memos, which he even admitted were fake, and cost him his job? And having "the most respected name in news" - CNN - give questions ahead of the debate to one side? The only people who would say that those are NOT moves of bias - are biased themselves. Don't care what side you're on, giving the answers to one side and not the other is outright fraudulent and biased.

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  31. Re: Is this the same media by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    So that's why CNN didn't give the debate questions to Trump, but shared with Clinton - it was to help Trump, right?

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  32. So you're saying all black ppl and only blacks by raymorris · · Score: 1

    So what you're saying is that all black people, and only black people, live in slums? Perhaps do you mean to say that black people don't pay their bills, so mortgages in black neighborhoods won't be paid?

    The banks are required to lend mortgage money (basically, buy houses) in NEIGHBORHOODS where property values are falling and there is a high rate of default (people not paying their mortgage).

    For a while, they were allowed credit for small business loans in areas that were failing (ie most of Detroit), but that was stopped - it has to be home loans in high-risk neighborhoods (what you apparently assume are "black neighborhoods").

  33. To be very clear - it's "must loan", must discrimi by raymorris · · Score: 1

    To be very, very clear, since you're apparently living in the 1960s, it's not about "can't discriminate", it's "must discriminate". They are not allowed to ignore race and neighborhood, to not even ask that information. The banks are required to keep track of which neighborhoods are high risk make a certain amount of mortgage loans in those neighborhoods. If it starts coming in a little low toward the end of the reporting period employees are told "we must sell and close $4 million in mortgages in bad neighborhoods by December 31. Hustle to sell and approve mortgages to anyone in a risky neighborhood."

  34. Report focuses on later factors, ignores initial c by raymorris · · Score: 1

    If that's the report I'm thinking of, it does a reasonable job discussing "how it got so bad". The sudden increase in home prices attracted more investors, etc. It lays out what happened after the ball started rolling, much as I did above.

    It downplays what caused the initial jump, however. You don't just start in the middle at "the sudden increase in prices" and go from there, though. Something in 2006 caused that sudden increase. The massive increase in subprime lending, and therefore buyers, is the only reason explanation for that which I've seen.

  35. Re: Is this the same media by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
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  36. Re:Report focuses on later factors, ignores initia by mesterha · · Score: 1

    It downplays what caused the initial jump, however. You don't just start in the middle at "the sudden increase in prices" and go from there, though. Something in 2006 caused that sudden increase. The massive increase in subprime lending, and therefore buyers, is the only reason explanation for that which I've seen.

    Well the issue has been sufficiently politicized that it's difficult to assess expert opinions without a lot of research. However, CRA did increase the number of mortgages which would increase the prices of houses. This created a tempting opportunity for real estate investment. Once the financial industry schemed how to hide bad mortgages, the flippers and scammers were off to the races. At that point, a positive feedback loop can cause a rapid rise in prices.

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  37. Re: Is this the same media by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    You also seem to mistake "accuracy" for "conforms to the viewpoint to which I have been indoctrinated by semi-official propaganda".

  38. Re:It didn't work anyways by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    The Wikipedia article you cite appears to defeat your own argument. Maybe I'm missing something?

  39. Re: Is this the same media by Cyberax · · Score: 1

    Again, how did they misled the readers? NYTimes underestimated the number of suckers in the US, but this is not "misleading people". They were not reporting false news or outright lies, like some other pro-Trump media.

    And STFU with the "endorsement" crap. The media was absolutely on witch hunt season for Hillary while Trump got a pass. Her every minor misstep was reported out of proportion. That "deplorable" slip? Trump uttered pretty much the same crap at every other rally.

    Now, I think this was to show readers that the media was "equally tough on everybody" since not many people really believed that Trump is going to win.

  40. Re: Is this the same media by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    I suppose you could call Trump' s own words and actions propoganda, but it was only semi-official until January of this year.

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  41. Ajit has to go. Period. by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Ajit Pai is obviously another puppet of corporate oligarchy control.
    He has no real clue when it comes to doing a greater good for the peoples.
    Dear Ajit, PLEASE step down. You are destroying man's ability to remain free human beings.

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  42. Re: Is this the same media by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    You can put that "New York Times was not reporting false news or outright lies" idea to bed because they absolutely do. Why don't you hear about this all the time? It's huge news when they do it, and they do it often.

    They lied about Tesla car. "When the facts didn't suit his opinion, he simply changed the facts," Musk wrote. A Times spokeswoman reiterated that its story was "fair and accurate."

    Last year, 35% of colleges saw international student numbers go up, 26% saw no change, and 39% saw them go down. New York Times publishes this with the headline "Amid Trump Effect Fear, 40% of Colleges See Dip in Foreign Applicants"

    Glenn Thrush, the former senior staff writer at Politico who found himself in hot water when a WikiLeaks dump in October revealed that he ran an article by Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta prior to publishing, thought the Georgia results were lackluster. Thrush is now a political correspondent for The New York Times.

    "We don't want to hear anything - we've long said this about this about the Right - but I think the Left, we don't - I'm not 'we,' I'm a journalist - but the Left as a rule does not want to hear thoughtful disagreement."
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blo...

    New York Times says Trump's tweets incite violence, yet published an image of Stephen Miller's severed head on a pike.

    The same people criticizing Trump for his WWE tweet had no problem with the New York Times sponsoring a play that depicted Trump's assassination.

    New York Times lies about Trump's almost 40% figure

    New York Times quotes a fake twitter account, publishes fake news.

    The New York Times Misquoted Trump's Charlottesville Remarks In Five Different Reports

    A New York Times reporter called Melania a hooker and they wouldn't even release the name of the reporter that said it, let alone fire her.

    "Without your help," a beaming Fidel Castro said while nodding at Herbert Matthews during a visit to The New York Times's offices in April 1959, almost exactly a year after he'd visited Marquez-Sterling, "and without the help of the New York Times, the revolution in Cuba would never have been."

    "Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper? Of course it is."
    --Source: New York Times

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  43. Re: Is this the same media by Cyberax · · Score: 1

    Provide examples of lies that NYTimes themselves committed. Reporting information from reputable sources that turned out to be false is not lying.

    So let's look: "40% of colleges see dips in foreign students" - and 39% of them did. NYTimes simply rounded the number and reported it. I see no issues with that.

    So go fuck yourself. You are the reason of the US troubles. You gloss over blatant lies of right wingnuts while working up over 1% discrepancy in the report in NYTimes.

  44. Re: Is this the same media by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    I provided you with a whole page of links and quotes where the NYT lied. WTF more is it going to take? Did you even read what Elon Musk wrote? "When the facts didn't suit his opinion, he simply changed the facts." They have the in-car telemetry that contradicts what the New York Times printed. There are tons of graphs with the source data. The Times lied again and again in the article.

    Glenn Thrush of Politico was exposed seeking Podesta's approval of articles about Clinton. Even Thrush wrote "please don't tell anyone" and "I'm such a hack". The smoking gun: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-...

    The consequences for Thrush? He was hired by the New York Times after the election. What does it say about a company that it does these kinds of things? How does a person like that ever find a job in journalism, much less at the NYT? What the hell?

    Paul Krugman Lies. Gets 8k+ retweets. . . "Ok, It's not true". 160 retweets. It's a simple matter of psychology: post misleading news, wait for people to react, it's something known as "impression formation". Once an impression has been formed, it sticks. This is how they psyop the masses. This is how they persuade people. A lot of these people will never check the news, they'll never check the sources, they'll never look for the original testimony, and they'll never see the truth.

    Too often we label whole groups from a perspective that uncritically accepts a stereotype or unfairly marginalizes them. As one reporter put it, words like moderate or centrist "inevitably incorporate a judgment about which views are sensible and which are extreme." We often apply "religious fundamentalists," another loaded term, to political activists who would describe themselves as Christian conservatives.

    We particularly slip into these traps in feature stories when reporters and editors think they are merely presenting an interesting slice of life, with little awareness of the power of labels. We need to be more vigilant about the choice of language not only in the text but also in headlines, captions and display type.

    -- Source: New York Times

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