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Musk-Backed 'Slaughterbots' Video Will Warn the UN About Killer Microdrones (space.com)
An anonymous reader quotes Space.com:
A graphic new video posits a very scary future in which swarms of killer microdrones are dispatched to kill political activists and U.S. lawmakers. Armed with explosive charges, the palm-sized quadcopters use real-time data mining and artificial intelligence to find and kill their targets. The makers of the seven-minute film titled Slaughterbots are hoping the startling dramatization will draw attention to what they view as a looming crisis -- the development of lethal, autonomous weapons, that select and fire on human targets without human guidance.
The Future of Life Institute, a nonprofit organization dedicated to mitigating existential risks posed by advanced technologies, including artificial intelligence, commissioned the film. Founded by a group of scientists and business leaders, the institute is backed by AI-skeptics Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking, among others. The institute is also behind the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots, a coalition of non-governmental organizations which have banded together to call for a preemptive ban on lethal autonomous weapons... The film will be screened this week at the United Nations in Geneva during a meeting of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons... The Campaign to Stop Killer Robots is hosting a series of meetings at this year's event to propose a worldwide ban on lethal autonomous weapons, which could potentially be developed as flying drones, self-driving tanks, or automated sentry guns.
"This short film is more than just speculation," says Stuart Russell, a U.C. Berkeley considered an expert in artificial intelligence.
"It shows the results of integrating and miniaturizing technologies we already have."
The Future of Life Institute, a nonprofit organization dedicated to mitigating existential risks posed by advanced technologies, including artificial intelligence, commissioned the film. Founded by a group of scientists and business leaders, the institute is backed by AI-skeptics Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking, among others. The institute is also behind the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots, a coalition of non-governmental organizations which have banded together to call for a preemptive ban on lethal autonomous weapons... The film will be screened this week at the United Nations in Geneva during a meeting of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons... The Campaign to Stop Killer Robots is hosting a series of meetings at this year's event to propose a worldwide ban on lethal autonomous weapons, which could potentially be developed as flying drones, self-driving tanks, or automated sentry guns.
"This short film is more than just speculation," says Stuart Russell, a U.C. Berkeley considered an expert in artificial intelligence.
"It shows the results of integrating and miniaturizing technologies we already have."
I'm going to make killer robots.
-t Musk
If it can be thought up it WILL BE built!
Is this like Millennium Challenge where swarms of small, fast boats were able to disable/sink numerous simulated ships? Or, during that same exercise, swarms of cruise missiles overwhelmed the fleet defenses?
I guess, in one respect, at least someone's talking about it.
I'm wondering if this is the sort of technology that can be defeated with chicken wire.
Um... "jaapie"?
Another racist term for a Japanese person... you should be modded down to -1 for your racist post. Also, you really should apologize for the multiple racist posts you've made.
This is something that history has showed us from time to mie, goverments try to use technology to kill other people....
Makes you think about it, thousands of years and still more technology and resources given to fancy clubs with nails and so little effort to commit to peace and equality.
why not a grape sized one that injects a neurotoxin?
Ob? Screw you, racist asshole. Go away.
Seems pretty easy to thwart facial recognition. More concerning is the fact that most of us carry around a homing beacon in our front pocket.
Was this the Michael Crichton novel? Maybe Musk shouldn't read at night before bed.
If you were going to post again, you should have said this instead: "I'm sorry for my racist post about Japanese people."
Hope that helps.
Swarms of microdrones dispatched to kill U.S. politicians? I see no reason to rush through a preemptive ban on this technology.
Republican?
hosts files can't melt steel beams.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Speculating on what will happen if miniaturization of technology is possible and happens is still speculating. Not that I disagree with the position of great concern about the foreseeable future.
Another racist term for a Japanese person...
Again, the SJW mod crowd shows they are idiots, but on one thing, you're right. It is a racist term, but it's racist against white people' specially, South African and Rhodesian whites.
You can't spell slaughterbots without laughterbots.
Of its backed by musk then the bots must be Reusable. They just dispense the bomb with a timer then fly away. :)
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It's an active anti-personnel minefield, and as such a military weapon. An automatic grenade launcher on delivery vehicle would do the same damage. Didn't we have a convention for banning such weapons already?
the "C" is for "Christine". He's a steven king fan.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Seems like you could just ban drones and/or supply your own police drones (or anti-drone weapons) to take out any in the air. An FAA for drones would also help identify which drones are flying legally. Of course, you'd need sensors everywhere.
Calm down, buddy, and take these little pink pills. Now the Vatican has what, exactly, to do with any of this?
Anyway, I did my part. After Mandalay Bay, I called UBS and sold all of my bump stocks.
Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours.
..in The Diamond Age. Nanobots so thick theyre like smog.
A 20-guage handgun with small birdshot loads would do a number on a whole swarm of microdrones.
Better yet, self-defense anti-drone microdrones to destroy any microdrones that approach a protected target....
Militarization is one of the best ways of Monopolization.
Don't let everyone have access to a technology or that technology will kill you!!
Of course only we can safely own that technology!
Oh hai fake APK.
It's not that these things are more destructive than older weapons. It's that these things give the power of a targeted artillery strike to anyone for pennies of what nation state weapons cost, so it opens up WWI type levels of destructive capability to just about anyone on any budget. WWI really caught people off guard. People had no idea the level of destruction that was going to be unleashed by the industrial revolution. Likewise people have no idea the destructive power that's going to be unleashed by the AI revolution.
swarms of killer microdrones are dispatched to kill political activists and U.S. lawmakers
I know that deadly scenario is scary and romantic, but really, what is more likely to happen is swarms of microdrones delivering chicken mcnuggets and tubes of k-y, not killing political activists.
lucm, indeed.
Yeah, I think the AC is doing an Afrikaans accent, not Nipponese.
DethLok
Another racist term for a Japanese person...
Again, the SJW mod crowd shows they are idiots, but on one thing, you're right. It is a racist term, but it's racist against white people' specially, South African and Rhodesian whites.
Subculture slang is not relevant out of its cultural context. There's a handful of well-known ethnic slurs and we don't need more. It's possible to narrow down to cover smaller populations (such as ice chinks for inuit) but you can't use localized versions for groups that are already covered by a top-level label, otherwise you're just creating confusion.
Also I would like to point out that an ethnic slur is not the same as a racist term. Just like it's not sexist to call a woman a cunt, it's not racist to call an Asian a chink. It's rude but that's not the same as racist. I guarantee you that there's people in nice offices that will silently pass on a resume if the name sounds ebonic or latino but that would never say "the n word", while there's blue collar workers calling each other "pollocks" or "fucking sand n-word" without an ounce of discrimination in mind.
lucm, indeed.
Your post is plainly readable by anyone who cares to adjust the threshold. It has not been deleted. This is not "censorship."
This is the majority of the community deciding that they don't care to read your stupid posts. This is not some injustice against you or anyone, this is you throwing a fit because the rest of the world doesn't agree with you.
I find your post to be off topic, inappropriately accusatory, and juvenile.
Grow up, kid.
The ignorance of the politically correct echo chamber is revealed yet again.
clueless AC, behaving cluelessly, abetted by clueless mods.
What about chimpanzees? cats? dogs?
>> Armed with explosive charges, the palm-sized quadcopters use real-time data mining and artificial intelligence to find and kill their targets.
>> If you can attach a camera to a drone, you can attach a bomb
The cameras used to hobby drones typically weigh 20-100grams. In the US, Fourth of July fireworks sold to the public can weigh 1,000 grams (with 500 grams of explosive inside). So the camera could be replaced with a small firework, which would make the target curious about that popping noise.
1,000 Kg is a decent bomb (1 million grams, or 10,000 times as much as a drone camera).
$500-$1000 quads CAN carry a bit more weight, but at a major reduction in flight time and range, as well as speed and the ability to fly in a stiff breeze. Unladen, a DJI Phantom 3 Professional ($700) can fly for about 23 minutes. Add a 1Kg payload and flight time is less than half that much. At 6MPH it could cover about 1 mile, if there is no breeze at all. With a 5MPH breeze against it, and carrying a 1Kg load would cover a several hundred feet before the battery died.
You're probably better off just throwing the pipe bomb with your hand. Much simpler. If you must go "fancy", a potato gun (plumbing pipe and hairspray) will go just about as far with a 1Kg grenade.
Really? Originally, it was used to describe South-African white males of Dutch descent. Now it is a pejorative term for any white male (males only, because it comes from the male name Jaap)
Where is it used to refer to Japanese people, and why would you assume it is a slur for Japanese in a context where we are talking about Elon Musk, a South-African?
No good deed goes unpunished...
Pretty much all primates kill for sport, lust and greed - male gorillas kill infants when they want to take over a female, chimps kill in territorial warfare,etc. Hell even our extended family does - plenty of monkeys gang up and kill group members as a social activity. And it is not just them - elephants and dolphins kill for fun without a fight for resources.
Face it, we are not special, just more powerful right now.
No good deed goes unpunished...
Above I talked about hobby-sized drones like DJI makes, on the $500-$1000 range. I didn't address the "palm sized" concept in the ridiculous video because palm sized toys have don't have the payload capacity to even cause pain. Those might able to barely carry a "black cat" style fire cracker, the tiny ones that come in a roll of 500 crackers. Those don't hurt much when they go off in your fingers, much less cause any permanent injury (guess how I learned that).
So let's scale up to something that can do some damage. There is a drone that can carry 18,000 pounds of bombs. It's 63 feet long, weighs 40,000 pounds, and costs several million dollars. It was built around 1990 from retired planes. Defense against it is similar to defense against any military plane.
And that is the kind of logic Trump espoused when dismissing his recorded comments as 'just lockerroom talk'. You seem like the kind of person capable of buying that line. I understand your point, I've seen all 5 seasons of HBO's The Wire multiple times. I was suspicious for years, though the 2016 Trump campaign resulted in the casual coworker language of the show making more realistic sense to me. The narrative you are going with sounds too dismissive of a real large problem to me. I believe there are many people who believe they aren't sexist and racist, but who must know at some level what their participation and encouragement of such social standards yields as far as oppressing minorities.
So now everyone has to wear Groucho masks...
Silly clots making short films.
We toss bullets, actually complete cartridges in the campfire. They make a fun popping noise when they cook off. A bullet is a ball of lead. A cartridge is a bullet combined with gunpowder, a casing, and a primer, for loading into a gun. A gun makes a bullet go fast, and weighs about ten pounds. (Handguns are only effective out to about 20 feet, and even then two or three shots probably won't kill the bad guy.)
The important bit of the system is the part which aims the gun at a vital part of the target's body and fires at the proper instant. That part is called the marksman. It weighs about 180 pounds.
No, but the book The Diamond Age covered all this stuff, we don't need a stupid bad video to point out the risks. If they wanted to do this right, they'd pay Neal Stephenson to do a film adaptation!
I drive a Tesla Model 3 so hopefully this doesn't apply to me.
That's right, if somebody that advanced wanted to personally target you for assassination, they'd just hack your car and the world would think you died from driving and watching goat pr0n at the same time!
Btw your story / argument had a couple of conflicting points. You said:
"200 grams of TNT ... carry a suitcase to a location, open it and release a swarm of small drones"
To fly around with 200 grams of TNT and deliver it effectively, you're going to need a drone at least the size of a typical hobby drones like the DJI Phantom. That's 20"*20"*8". A "large" suitcase (airline standards) is 30"*19", so that'll hold a "swarm" of exactly one drone. Let's give your attacker an extra large suitcase so he can have a "swarm" of two.
Jaapie is a Dutch name.
I never understood the reluctance to develop weapons like the drones described here, or at least the emphasis on the problem whether innocent bystanders could be killed without human intervention. It did not stop bombing of open cities or the use of atomic bombs, where no human intervention was needed to select which individual had to die and who not.
Paai
Only the bad guys will have killer robots
It's odd how in the film the drones fly up real close, but then use mechanical destruction of tissue (projectile) instead of injecting a poisonous or similar agent.
If the US went to war with China our only hope would be nuclear war. There are simply so many Chinese that we would be dwarfed by their numbers. The US would have no good choice other than robotic warfare. Therefore I want my bots to be stronger, meaner and more in numbers as well as quantities to prevent a really horrific war. There are also huge monetary concerns. What does it cost for one prison guard? Lethal bots that prevented escapes would save us a king's ransom. Your local convenience store and gas station might also be a lot better off if robbers had no chance at all of pulling stick ups without bots taking them out. We could also gain control of our streets making crime next to impossible so that civilians could walk at any hour of day or night without fear. Also mass shootings might be eliminated as drones would be all over a gunman when he acted out. We might also learn quite a bit. These days when we pass laws and supposedly try to prevent certain situations we really don't want to control those crimes. As an example hookers know to work the expensive hotels as they rarely get arrested in expensive locations. But if they try to work in cheap motels the cops will be all over them. The truth is that the expensive hotels do more business if they have some good looking girls available and the richer folk who haunt these hotels want to be able to hire girls when they get the urge. Since drones could be used to track hookers and summon management you can bet that you won't see that in the expensive hotels. Gated communities act the same way. Some escorts will only go to gated communities as the cops simply do not interfere behind those gates. Our system accommodates certain crimes for certain people.
Protect yourself from slaughterbots with a portable EMP.
https://hackaday.com/2016/10/12/become-very-unpopular-very-fast-with-this-diy-emp-generator/
Because he's as dumb as a box of rocks?
WTF is this ad? Net Neutrality is still in danger. Click here and get a 2nd phone line for $25? Slashdot you're letting me down.
And Jock is a Scottish one, Mick is an Irish one and Fritz is a German one. Still, it's good you pointed it out.
It's a funny old world, and no mistake.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
1911 barrel is 3 1/8 oz. P90 barrel is .5 lb. A cheap 450-sized quad can carry over 2lb. You could have four rifle shots for that, if your rounds were electrically triggered.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
for comparison:
Rev 9:3-11
It's never pointless to spread awareness. Videos like these help people think further than they otherwise would, if it helps just one extra safety measure to be implemented into whatever thing that could be weaponized I think it's well worth the effort.
Don't think that AI won't get so smart that they will recognize a human if another human can. Even if you mask yourself so well that even other humans won't be able to see you the AI still can (it can read your heat or hear your heartbeat).
The video is just an example. Don't try to counter anything in it, take in its message.
If you're worried, wear a football helmet on top of your tinfoil...
Also, what about false positives?
Can we get a link to a website that doesn't waste my bandwidth by auto-loading and auto-playing videos I have no intention to watch?
#DeleteFacebook
Ban bump stocks and the mass shootings will stop.
If you honestly believe this than you're a fucking moron, not to mention banning things has worked so well for us in the past. glad I don't have to worry about my child getting a hold of some heroin on the streets.. They will only use it when the government and their ilk say its ok.
The problem is that this technology is very asymmetric (in the DOD sense). Any 4 nutjobs with college degrees and $5,000 could target anyone with very little risk to themselves. But it would take a huge investment and loss of freedoms to contain that threat.
Ask yourself: "What would ISIS do with this technology?"
What about Putin? He kills his national political opponents now. If he had this he could do it world wide.
>is many times more powerful per gram than the black powder found inside the black cat mentioned by the grandparent
Firecrackers aren't made with black powder. They are made with flash powder. Basically dark aluminum or magnesium and are potassium perchlorate.
> Apples and oranges sir. Your black cat is not even in the same class as the material
You said in the very next sentence after you made a misleading comparison as if they were the same type. Even within the same class, velocity of detonation is not brisance, and not "explosive force". C4 detonates. Black powder and flash powder combust, so yeah apples and oranges, or apples and weekdays. Saying C4 has "20 times the explosive force" of black powder (or flash powder) is non-sensical - that statement needs work to even achieve the status of "wrong". You may as well have said "steel is 20 times as happy as Tuesday".
Splitting hairs, yet informative! But the point lost in all the detail was that C4 is by-weight more deadly than a firecracker, and if carried by a drone in place of a firecracker could make a drone feasible as an assassination device.
As well as being low-cost, think about future defibrilator drones that will understand when someone falls down and needs them, flies to them, and administers the life saving treatment, or drones that follow diabetics around with an auto-injector. Give those drones the wrong drug, or the wrong settings, and they kill. Just like a hammer can hit the head of a nail or a person. Or send a bomb in parcel delivered by amazon delivery drone. I dont understand how to implement a ban on killer drones that doesnt take out all kinds of life saving ones at the same time.
The word 'cunt' is basically a feminine form of 'dickwad'. In that context it's no different than adding an 'a' instead of an 'o' at the end of some words in Spanish.
You point out that these people use the n-word all day long and say they do it without racist intent, but then pass up black or Mexican sounding names. What you're missing is causal and institutionalized racism. It's when you do it without you even know you're doing it. In a lot of ways that's worse than overt racism because it's harder as hell to fight. Hell, you can make things _worse_ trying to fight it, like the left did with forced busing in the 60s.
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Flash powder is not exclusively used in typical bangpops. Black powder is indeed often used.
However, for the sake of argument, let's use flash powder. It indeed does burn significantly faster-- 25000 feet per second. (Not too shabby, and in the same general ballpark as C4. However, a significant fraction of a fire cracker is paper and clay containment. You dont need that with a plastic explosive, meaning you get more actual explosive for the payload. There is maybe a gram of flash powder inside a black cat, if that.)
However, there is a significant caveat. Again, this kind of explosive detonates uniformly. The explosion goes in all directions.
A shaped explosion focuses the majority of the concussive force of the explosion on a very small area. Still apples and oranges.
As for your nonsense rambling there at the end, I am sorry, I cant fix your stupidness. Comparing burn rates, and giving a "foo times more explosive force" is very much comparing apples to apples. Specifically, it is comparing burn rates to burn rates. Want to know the magic you are missing there smart ass? An object "Detonates" when the burn rate exceeds the speed of sound (which causes a pressure wave to form.) Black powder burns at subsonic speeds, and thus does not detonate. (It relies on an external compression sleeve to focus the gases created by combustion to focus that energy. In a gun, this is the combination of the cartridge shell and the barrel. In a fire cracker, it is the paper body and clay plugs at the ends. This is important, because of the aside I mentioned prior-- most of the mass of the black cat is paper and clay. With a high explosive, you dont need that. With a shaped high explosive, that force can be focused on a very tiny (say, 2cm dia) area. Two very important bits you of course, speciously omitted in any of your posts, while insisting on being a douche bag and splitting hairs.)
If after correcting your absurdity as I did above, you are still too stupid to realize that you are fucking wrong, I am sorry. Go fuck yourself, I'm done with you,
Yeah I started to follow up my post by saying;
Putting aside the fact that no specific number can compare the two since they work in fundamentally different ways, a C4 explosion is intuitively "more dangerous" than a flash powder or black powder explosion. I've made high explosives and made a lot of low explosives, so I wanted to some idea of how "strong" they are in comparison. That's kinda like asking how much stronger Jim Beam whiskey is than solar power, but what I came up with was high explosives such as C4 are very roughly twice as dangerous as low explosives such as Flash powder. That's when both are exploding - it doesn't factor in stability, which varies greatly within each class.
>An object "Detonates" when the burn rate exceeds the speed of sound
Detonation is a pressure reaction, it is not burning (which is a heat-based reaction). Not even burning "really fast".
The same compound may be able to both burn (combust) and detonate. Burning is always at a rate less than the speed of sound, so if you measure the reaction to be happening faster than the speed of sound, it must be detonating rather than burning (or detonating in addition to detonating - the products of RDX combust in the air after the RDX itself detonates).
FYI you happen to be talking to a guy who makes explosives regularly. I've made high explosives. So please get the basic terminology down before you try to call me stupid. When you don't even grasp the basic concepts, like the difference between detonation and combustion, you make yourself look stupid arguing with those of us who do, and have decades of experience.
Yep, something generally along the lines of that 400 gram grenade is about the sweet spot. (Which is why I said "grenade" in my original post. You could try a shaped charge (and good aim) but at this scale I'm not sure how much difference that makes - you get better yield in one direction, but need to aim, which means adding a gimble for aiming and gust of breeze can wreck your day.
400g plus facial recognition computer is enough to hamper the flight performance of the drone, especially in a breeze, so range is limited, but it could be used. As you said, the drone needs to be within a few meters of the target, and recognize the right time to off, so that's a limitation. The secret service probably isn't going to let a drone within a couple meters of the president, but an attempt to kill a businessman with a drone and grenade might be successful. Of course, you could also just toss the grenade at the same businessman, or tie it to his car door so it goes off when he opens the door.
Like I said, sure you CAN attach a small pipe bomb to a drone. Basically a hand grenade. Or just throw the same pipe bomb with your hand.
Compare the video you posted (trusting ISIS to present accurate truth, btw) to the Boston Marathon bombing, which used a pressure cooker, a cooking pan from the 1600s. I think you'll find that the 500 year old technology of a metal pot is more effective than a $700 drone. An attacker can also get about 10 or 20 cooking pots for the same price they'd pay for each drone.
Need less, not more
More than 1.2 million people are killed every year in traffic accidents http://www.who.int/gho/road_sa... , about 3 times more badly wounded. These are the figures of a WW3.
The situation will only worsen since cars become silent, overpowered, oversized, overweight, and capable to pick up a high speed almost instantly.
It is not only traffic accidents, terrorists got it too. Overpowered cars and automatic guns are being used to attack innocent people in reality. However instead of regulating really harmful items, we have got 700 pages of the civil UAV regulations.
Me being a broken record: http://www.pdfernhout.net/reco...
Military robots like drones are ironic because they are created essentially to force humans to work like robots in an industrialized social order. Why not just create industrial robots to do the work instead?
Nuclear weapons are ironic because they are about using space age systems to fight over oil and land. Why not just use advanced materials as found in nuclear missiles to make renewable energy sources (like windmills or solar panels) to replace oil, or why not use rocketry to move into space by building space habitats for more land?
Biological weapons like genetically-engineered plagues are ironic because they are about using advanced life-altering biotechnology to fight over which old-fashioned humans get to occupy the planet. Why not just use advanced biotech to let people pick their skin color, or to create living arkologies and agricultural abundance for everyone everywhere?
These militaristic socio-economic ironies would be hilarious if they were not so deadly serious. ...
Likewise, even United States three-letter agencies like the NSA and the CIA, as well as their foreign counterparts, are becoming ironic institutions in many ways. Despite probably having more computing power per square foot than any other place in the world, they seem not to have thought much about the implications of all that computer power and organized information to transform the world into a place of abundance for all. Cheap computing makes possible just about cheap everything else, as does the ability to make better designs through shared computing. ...
There is a fundamental mismatch between 21st century reality and 20th century security thinking. Those "security" agencies are using those tools of abundance, cooperation, and sharing mainly from a mindset of scarcity, competition, and secrecy. Given the power of 21st century technology as an amplifier (including as weapons of mass destruction), a scarcity-based approach to using such technology ultimately is just making us all insecure. Such powerful technologies of abundance, designed, organized, and used from a mindset of scarcity could well ironically doom us all whether through military robots, nukes, plagues, propaganda, or whatever else... Or alternatively, as Bucky Fuller and others have suggested, we could use such technologies to build a world that is abundant and secure for all.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
I single programmer can create the killer apps for others by designing the software and letting other people use it. Iot creates IED, Intelligent Explosive Device
Reminds me of the Hunter-Seeker drone from Dune: https://youtu.be/bIVzK-h6qao?t...
...a sales pitch to any US aligned oppressive regimes, e.g. Saudi Arabia, for gadgets to keep their populations under control. Effortlessly assassinate political organisers!
I tried my hand at writing science fiction with this idea years ago.
Inspired by recent advances in solar power and energy storage, a young scientist invents insect-sized drones that control pests on crops by piercing them. It's an new, environmentally friendly, chemical-free way of farming: mechanical pesticide. The some bright spark at the pentagon realizes that, in sufficient numbers, the technology can be a new, 4th class of weapon of mass destruction, one that the US is free to openly develop and use because there are no treaties banning it yet. Nothing nuclear, chemical, or biological - being tiny, they just bore into a vein and take a ride into your heart. And to reflect their derision for human life, they decide to continue calling the machines "pesticide".
I never published because I thought the story was both too horrible and too credible.
There was a good sci-fi movie in the late 90s where AI micro droids "swords" are used as weapons, and then decide to evolve. It was called screamers (IMDb ~6) and I enjoyed it. Does anyone remember that?
Did you know many pieces of military equipment are controlled by computers? And many of those computers have a hosts file? Ban hosts files today, and the killing will stop!
But how would our masters make a profit in a world of abundance?
A good directed fragmentation payload could get a reliable kill out to 25 meters (just think of it as one quarter segment of a Claymore mine), which is much more than "a couple of meters", a drone flying straight in and detonating at 25 meters might tax Secret Service perimeter protection to get the President behind cover before the kill shot was made. And only he and the VP have this level of protection. Anybody else in the U.S. would be far more vulnerable.
And sure booby trapping a car and getting within physical attack range works (if get close enough to throw the grenade accurately, why not just shoot him?) but VIPs with body guards or security details make these things hard, and attacking the target yourself is generally one-time thing, you never get another chance as you will end up in custody (and possibly deceased). With drones you can attack from long range and not get caught. Big, big difference.
A human piloted drone would be a better single-target assassination weapon (as the U.S. drone program proves regularly). The Slaughterbots video emphasizes AI and facial recognition because using those technologies you can have autonomous attacks at large scale. Even in the case of attacking a U.S. President a swarm attack of drones that simply recognize heads (no need to find recognize faces) will permit a small swarm to indiscriminantly kill everyone in the vicinity of the President, including him or her.
Also the video is absolutely correct if you can get 3 grams of HE in close contact with a human head, by having the drone simply fly into the target, it will kill the target. I cited the use of fragmentation devices simply to show that even actual contact is not needed so that impenetrable perimeter defenses have to be deployed quite a ways away.
Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
I would expect non-lethal wedlock style drones that swarms people, stuns them with tazers and attach drones with trackers, cameras and microphones around their neck. If you try to take them off, they taze your spinal cord and call in reinforcements. Then they monitor everything everyone does or says. The massive drone swarm is controlled by AI, effectivly forcing everyone to obey the dronemasters. Since such a swarm is non-lethal, the barrier to deploy it is low.
Perhaps it would. I certainly wouldn't want to press one against my forehead.
The summary referred to the tiny drones as carrying "bombs" and that's what I took issue with. That's kinda like calling a .380 pistol round a bomb.
Next time you link to something to make your point, you might want to read / watch it first. Then you can learn something and avoid looking silly.
The first response in that thread is a video, which I'll discuss in a moment. The second response says:
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In real word, life or death self defense shootings it is not uncommon for shooters to miss man size targets up to 70% of the time within a few yards distance.
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The next response:
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For a new shooter 7-10 meters.
For an average shooter no more than 25 meters.
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The question there is the effective range - the range at which shooting an attacker is likely to stop the attack. Killing them is quite a different matter.
Now let's consider the video in the first reply, which included a Keltec Sub 2000 rifle. That's a rifle I'm quite familiar with, as friends of mine posting on the Keltec site I owned tested it extensively into ballistics gel. Let's just consider the video that you yourself linked to as one of the answers, though. Of the 12 shots fired, from the rifle, shot #8 finally hit part of the target. Two shots hit in the shoulder area or just over the shoulder, so if the target were a man those would have either missed or hurt, but certainly wouldn't have been lethal. One of 12 shots was within the torso, so it might have been lethal, maybe.
A man can lift.1,000 pounds:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SBFTB7X...
A man can run at 25 MPH:
https://3c1703fe8d.site.intern...
A man cannot carry 1,000 pounds at 25 MPH. In fact, a man can't even take a single step while holding 1,000 pounds.
As discussed above, adding weight to a quad very quickly degrades performance, to the point that to deliver a 1Kg load a potato gun is more effective than a drone.
For an average shooter no more than 25 meters.
Amazing how 25 feet turned into 25 meters there, sport.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You're not a Comcast customer, are you? "Up to" and "no more than" mean the same thing - not likely to happen too often in reality. (Comcast customers have experience with this.)
Let's assume you create this ideal world of plenty.
What happens in 100 more years when the Earth's population has doubled again, and there's just not enough room/food/water - again?
OR what happens when your Gaia gets hijacked by an autocrat, and you're all out of guns?
The reason we maintain an arsenal is for when the shit hits the fan. It just so happens that coming up with a viable threat against millions of idiots (with minimal casualties) gets expensive. But it also just so happens that having such an effective arsenal brings peace to the majority or large countries in this world.
If you have no guns, then someone else will bring theirs to the party. Consider it one of the costs of maintaining society.
Man is the animal that laughs.
And occasionally whores for Karma.
I know it probably says somewhere, and I'd be happy to be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the proposed solution to this is going to be some kind of treaty to ban it. Because that totally works and explains why banned things do not exist.
That totally depends on shot placement. My brother was shot point blank with a 22 and didn't even go to the doctor. Four or five 22 shots can be acupuncture. Seriously a 7 gauge hypodermic needle is commonly used by doctors and that's .18 inches - almost as big as a .22 round. I think my doctor may have used a 7 gauge (.18) when I had a pneumothorax. A 22 to the chest can bounce right off the rib and need nothing more than a bandage.
On the other hand, if it hits the forehead perpendicular to the skull, so it doesn't glance off sideways, it can certainly kill. A .22 is kinda like a hammer - getting hit with a hammer normally only hurts for a couple minutes, but certainly people have been killed by a hammer attack.
Then again, my friend put a shotgun in his mouth and lived, so you never know.
This isn't FUD so far as I'm concerned, it's something someone is inevitably going to do. All the more reason to shoot down drones encroaching on your privacy. Seriously, I wish no one had invented the damned things in the first place, they've become nothing more than a nuisance at best, and a scourge at worst.
Bug-sized drones aren't exactly large enough for a payload other than chemical or biological, both of which are already outlawed globally in war.
You're supposed to hold it so the pipe-thingy is facing away from you and pull the little lever underneath.
Not chuck the damn thing at the enemy.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
> . I can control a drone while sitting in a hot tub & sipping beer several miles away
With a 400gram load (a grenade) attached, range is several hundred feet, maybe a thousand feet, depending on the breeze. The range of a pneumatic potato gun is about 1000 yards - a little bit more than the drone.
The summary referred to the tiny drones as carrying "bombs" and that's what I took issue with.
What else would you call a shaped charge of C4?
Clearly your analysis above demonstrated that you were foolishly assuming the use of black powder. You must be embarrassed as hell.
Given that anywhere the secret service is, the windows are closed, I think you'll find a metal pan breaks through a window a lot easier than a plastic drone does. It also makes a much bigger explosion, breaking through windows all around.
There's room for hundreds of billions of people on Earth given better designs. Even if there weren't there is room for quadrillions of humans and associated biosphere in self-replicating space habitats around the solar system.
http://pdfernhout.net/princeto...
Further, the big problem industrialized nations face now is actually falling populations. For an extreme example, Italy may be the future for us all (if we survive the slaughterbots and engineered plagues and nukes etc made by people with scarcity worldviews):
https://www.theguardian.com/wo...
""We are very close to the threshold of non-renewal where the people dying are not replaced by new-borns. That means we are a dying country," Health Minister Beatrice Lorenzin said. "This situation has enormous implications for every sector: the economy, society, health, pensions, just to give a few examples," Lorenzin said. "We need a wake-up call and a real change of culture to turn the trend around in the coming years," added the minister.""
Even the USA is below replacement without immigration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"As of 2010, about 48% (3.3 billion people) of the world population lives in nations with sub-replacement fertility.[3] Nonetheless most of these countries still have growing populations due to immigration, population momentum and increase of the life expectancy. This includes most nations of Europe, Canada, Australia, Brazil, Russia, Iran, Tunisia, China, the United States and many others. In 2015, all European Union countries had a sub-replacement fertility rate, ranging from a low of 1.31 in Portugal to a high of 1.96 in France.[4]"
Let's say people do need an "arsenal" to keep the peace. How big should it be? The USA, for example, spends essentially all its surplus and then some on an arsenal. Which is part of why we in the USA can't have nice things like pothole-free roads without tolls, longer vacations, high speed broadband, first-rate medical care for everyone, community makerspaces everywhere, tuition-free college, and so on...
https://www.nationalpriorities...
Needless competition, artificial scarcity, and huge for-profit prison populations are other reasons we can't have nice things:
http://www.alfiekohn.org/artic...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
People are a lot less likely to support autocrats and so on if they aren't desperate.
"The Desperate Middle-Class Voters Who Made Trump the Republican Nominee"
http://time.com/money/4318531/...
Strangely, the USA has the most guns and now also is getting increasingly autocratic -- how does that fit into your model of why we need an arsenal?
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.