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Google's Eric Schmidt Says People Want Dish-Washing Robots To Clean Up the Kitchen More Than Any Other Kind (cnbc.com)
There is nothing that people want robots to be able to do more than to wash the dishes, according to Alphabet Chairman and former CEO Eric Schmidt. From a report: "When you ask a person what they would like a robot to do, the thing that they would like more than anyone else, is clean up the dishes in the kitchen," the billionaire Google executive says speaking at the Halifax International Security Forum. "That is literally the number one request. And I say this having done this exhaustively," he says. Though you may dream of a robot dishwasher, don't hold your breath for it to happen in the immediate future. "That turns out to be an extraordinarily difficult problem," says Schmidt.
Well, that they admit to, anyway. Sex robots will be #1 on people's "want lists", count on it. Once they're any good.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I want one to fold my laundry too.
The dishwasher.
Metal or plastic faced drawers, tile floor with a drain in the middle. You can hose down the floor, countertop, and drawer faces, same as a restaurant kitchen. Kitchens and baths with drained floors are very common outside the US.
So what people actually want is robots to take the dirty dishes and put them into the dishwasher, and then press a button?
(and presumably unload and put them away afterwards)
I don't know what to make of this. Either people are too lazy to even load a dishwasher and just litter the plates all over their house, or maybe there really is not much robots can do for us because our basic needs are already fulfilled by simple household appliances.
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I thought this was the whole point of joining in marriage with a female? I hear they make good sandwiches, too.
Isn't that what a "dishwasher" is? It's a dish washing robot in box form. Or are people saying they are even too lazy to load the dishwasher now and require a robot to do that now too? And I thought I was lazy.
We already have dishwashers for the washing part, the hard part is getting the robot to collect everything, not break or spill anything, clean the big chunks off, load the dishwasher and run it. Then inspect, unload and put it away.
The good news is if you can build a robot to do that, it should be a no-brainer to get it to do laundry and garbage duties as well. Probably get it to cook too.
Metal or plastic faced drawers, tile floor with a drain in the middle. You can hose down the floor, countertop, and drawer faces, same as a restaurant kitchen.
Kitchens and baths with drained floors are very common outside the US.
yeah except none of that helps with washing the dishes, you still need humans to gather up the dishes and put them in the dishwasher, you still need humans to remove the dishes from the dishwasher and put them back.
again NOTHING you addressed has anything to do with washing dishes
what an idiot!
I recommend they use plastic dishes in the first generation models. I prefer disposable or edible kitchenware and appliances, even the kitchen itself. Then all you need is good bathroom plumbing.
In our house, laundry would definitely be near the top of the list.
A dishwashing machine / robot is actually pretty simple. It's just used slightly differently than the habit most people have. Currently, we put our dirty dish in the sink, perhaps after rinsing it first. A day or two later, we wash / scrub the dried-on food, then put it in the "dishwasher" to finish the job. So five steps done by a human:
1 Rinse
2 Put in sink
3 Scrub dried food
4 Put in dishwasher
5 Put in cupboard
That can be easily reduced to one or two steps:
1 Put in drawer, which is dishwasher
Optionally the two or three step version:
Rinse (optional)
Put in dishwashing drawer
Put in cupboard (optional)
The "innovation" is a dishwasher which consists of units of only one rack, and instead of having a door you open and then a rack that pulls out, the two are combined - the dishwasher opens like a drawer. Because it's small, it'll be full (enough) daily and there is no step of handling food that has been drying on the plates for two days. Optionally, every time you close it it could trigger a 5 second blast of water to rinse off the food while it's still fresh.
An appliance might consist of 2-4 such washing drawers in a stack, with a light to indicate which is the current "dirty" drawer for dirty dishes to go in.
It wouldn't handle large mixing bowls unless you had one extra-tall drawer for the big items, but rather each drawer would be sized for the cups, cereal bowls, flatware etc that people use daily.
If only they made something like that: https://www.appliancesconnecti...{creative}&KW=&pdv=c
I kid, I kid. But they are nice - we have those at the office.
To clarify, I think what most people probably think of for a "dish washing robot" would have the robot clean the dishes that are in the sink. So the human still has to put the dish IN the sink, probably after scraping any big chunks of food into the trash. So that's still the human putting the dish somewhere before the robot does it's job.
I propose that since the human has to put the dish somewhere, they may as well skip the sink and just put the dish into the robot (dishwasher drawer).
What do people with enough money to pay people to do stuff first do?
I would imagine that poorer people will want the same things when robots can be bought for less to do those jobs.
Rich people get maids, get butlers, chefs, chauffeurs, personal trainers.
I would imagine the rest of us will want robots that can do those things when they become economically viable. Self driving cars are effectively "robot chauffeurs".
I can confirm, this is the only way I'd ever consider buying a Google bot. Dishwashers are worthless because even with the most potent chemical corrosives known to man you have to wash the fucking things before putting them in.
the really nice ones will clean up just about anything except the really big chunks. Give me a robot gardener instead. One that pulls my weeds and keeps the neighborhood association off my back.
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I want an automatic closet. Throw clothes in it's direction as I undress for bed. In the morning they should be washed, hung or folded as needed, and put away. Done silently, please.
A pretty maid, or houseboy if you swing that way, has multiple extra functions, but is also high maintenance.
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the problem is to introduce the standard plates, cups, forks, spoon, ladles, etc. So that a robot can recognize them.
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There should be also a place on each item where robot can take it safely.
But it is not a technical problem, but a social one. Try to explain to people basically from the stone age, especially at leadership positions, what is standardization, unification, etc.
Vacuums, mops, can handle pet hair, and empty/clean itself between usages. // it's the pet hair that's the biggest issue.
Sure, you have to put the dishes in the dishwasher, but that's pretty easy. A dog walking robot might be good, but if I had a dog, I think I'd rather have some time with my pooch. Robots are best at repetitive tasks, but I can't think of much during my day that I would pay multi-thousands to not do. Maybe folding clothes?
That's my wife's workflow. I think it's silly to scrub every dish and then load the dishwasher, so I put them in fairly filthy and only scrub the occasional one that comes out still soiled. She complains about my method because she doesn't like scrubbing "clean" dishes. Oh, well - married life... at least I put the seat down and fold the laundry fresh out of the dryer.
Incidentally, a dishwasher is a dishwashing robot. I guess people don't want to put the clean dishes away? That seems like a more trivial task for a robot to be trained.
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Its called a dishwasher. You put for plates etc in; add a tablet and press a botton and they come out clean about 90 mins later - its very good robot
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One of those would do the trick but I don't see how the exhaust would be good for the floors and things. Especially if you have gas for the stove and things.
Install a powerful magnet, only use metal plates and glasses. Would love to see this contraption in action.
In order for the robot to recognize items properly, however, you'll need compatible plates, utensils, stemware, etc.
Eric Schmidt didn't just talk about robot dishwashers last weekend. He also said:
Some fresh sets of eyes would be helpful in tackling security issues and "a new set of brains and talent" is needed.
Schmidt also said getting good at artificial intelligence will be very important to both governments and businesses in the coming years.
He noted there are a huge number of computer scientists coming out of the world's top universities who can provide leadership.
All of which seem much more in line with the prime directive of this site than dishwashers.
>> People Want Dish-Washing Robots To Clean Up the Kitchen More Than Any Other
> Well, that they admit to, anyway. Sex robots will be #1 on people's "want lists"
The otaku (weaboo) want a robot which washes dishes in the evening, provides sexual services during the night, makes sandwiches in the morning, behaves tsundere 7x24x365 and looks like a schoolgirl uniform clad underage lolita, complete with cat ears and tail.
The concept became so successfull they even made an anime about it, it's called Blend-S and currently airing on japanese TV / Crunchyroll.
The practical realization, however is a little behind schedule. The currently available "Gatebox" model is simply a hologram of maid-styled Hatsune Miku trapped in a coffee machine like concoction and she can only speak to you, not do manual chores.
The real problem is the encrusted/burnt-encrusted (and heavily slimed) pots and pans, which
A) might not fit in the dishwasher along with the dishes, and
B) the dishwasher doesn't work on anyway so you have to do them by hand, with a lot of scrubbing.
That's why they call it a dishwasher, not a pot and pan scrubber.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Did they only poll nudist colonies? Everyone I know would much rather have a laundry robot that sorts/washes/dries/folds than a dish robot. Dishwashers already do 90%+ of what I want done with dishes.
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to go along with the dishwashing robots then.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Doing dishes takes so little time. How f**king lazy are people these days? I am pretty lazy when it comes to chores but doing the dishes is just not on my list of tasks to roboticize.
When people travel thousands of miles to visit someone they rarely see, but care about very much, who the hell wants to do dishes? This is time that is invaluable and I'm fairly certain even a price of $20,000 will be a worthwhile expense to millions if not tens of millions of households.
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you'd be amazed how little imagination most folks have. It's actually a fairly serious social problem. After the last round of mass shootings there were interviews folks there. Several of who changed their opinion of gun control based solely on personal experiences. I've had friends who fell on hard times after the economic crash of 2008 who's folks were doing pretty good actually and were no help because they just couldn't comprehend the idea of anyone not just being able to work themselves out of any jam because they've always managed to.
Basically there's a lot of folk who can't grok something they didn't personally experience. If you go back and read the book that word grok came from being able to reach those people was a major part of it.
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I just checked under the bench, my "Dishwashing Robot" in a box is still there...
SRSLY, give me a robot that can vacuum and mop floors properly (ie. not like a roomba), or pick up kids toys, or wash dry and iron clothes. That's higher on my list than a robot that does what my dishwasher already does perfectly well.
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Best of both worlds really...
This already exists - has done for years, it's called a Dish Drawer https://www.fisherpaykel.com/n...
It's not that. We have dish washers and the few things that can't go in there are washed in no time. Folding the laundry, that's what we want automated.
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I don't get this. The dish problem is IMO the home automation problem with the best existing solution. It's called a dishwasher and bit bit of kitchen organisation (like have the dishwasher below and next to the cabinets with the dishes).
Surely the robot problem looking for a solution is the part of laundry that comes after the washing machine? And maybe windows, depending on the home
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Common mistake.
Laziness is when you save so much resources, that you become *less* efficient again and it starts harming you.
Otherwise, it is just plain efficiency, which is obviously good.
High emeergence is usually the elegant ideal, if you want high efficiency without making compromises.
... thank you, but if you have a robot that cleans - vaccuums, sweeps, dusts, mops - well enough that I don't have to do another round, I'm all ears.
The good news is if you can build a robot to do that, it should be a no-brainer to get it to do laundry and garbage duties as well. Probably get it to cook too.
Well I'd like a chef bot. But something tells me that having a robot quality check that the ingredients that nothing is damaged or spoiled or has any foreign elements adds a whole other layer of complexity. The "base elements" like flour and sugar are pretty static but things like fish and meat, fruit and vegetables vary in size, shape and taste and the cooking needs to adapt but without a nose and taste buds it'll have a problem getting feedback. Nothing that is totally unsolvable but I'd think even big industrial food production has people actually tasting a sample of each batch in case of equipment malfunction, blockages, leaks and whatnot leading to failed product. It'd be tough to miniaturize all that for home use.
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The roomba is pretty good, it cleans better and in more places than the manual type. The only issue is putting the dust in the garbage bin.
I live next to a park, the amount of dust that get deposited in my house every day is insane.
Yeah - I think he's referring to a 'waiter/ress', not a dishwasher.
Please.
The time it takes to load with the dishes it can actually usefully wash is not offset by the time it takes to manually wash such simple to clean dishes.
I was a lazy piglet for a very long time, but once I hit about 32, I got sick of living in squalor and learnt to wash my dishes, it's really not hard and I don't even have a dishwasher, I can't imagine how much easier it is with one of those, especially the 2 tray systems.
It's really not difficult.
NOW a machine which will iron and fold my clothes? That I'll sign up for, because I can wash em, I can hang em out, I can put em away but ironing and folding is the worst thing ever.
Eat directly off the table, sterilize table
Just iron my shirts, that's all i really want. I know there's a thing out there that does it in concept, but I have yet to see it in my local store.
I'm happy doing pretty much everything else, it doesn't take much time at all. Though maybe a Roomba to do the floors would be nice.
When washing machines for our clothes came along, we needed tougher clothes to handle the machinery. Maybe what we need are tougher dishes that can resist heavy handling by machinery so they can be placed in a dish washer more easily.
So five steps done by a human:
Why would you do step 2 and 3? After you rinse just put them straight in the dishwasher, mine always had no problem dealing with dry residue.
Also if you want to kick it up a notch have 2 dishwashers and alternate them so one always acts as storage for clean dishes and the other for your used dirty dishes. Rinse and repeat!
A) might not fit in the dishwasher along with the dishes, and
B) the dishwasher doesn't work on anyway so you have to do them by hand, with a lot of scrubbing.
Then please replace your museum-worthy old appliance with something that was built in the current century.
(In addition to being able to successfully handle encrusted pots and actually having room for them, modern dish-washers tend to use a lot less water and a lot less energy than their older predecessors.
And also use a lot less water than humans.)
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Industrial kitchens have some kind of sprinkle system (not unlike completely the fire suppressant system) that can clean/shower the whole kitchen automatically at the flip of a switch at the end of the work day when the cook leaves the room.
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Sorry to say, but dishwashing robots exist for quite some time. What are they called?
-Dishwashers!
In my opinion, a dishwasher is to washing dishes as a Roomba is to vacuum cleaning.
They cannot do the whole job, and not at the same level as a human being. In a restaurant you can actually notice if they use a dishwasher or not for glasses, knives etc.
I am not really here right now.
So.. AI is a danger we should look at now.. but a dishes robot is 'more difficult than we thought'.
We want to be able to toss our clothes into a hole at the end of the day. And have them washed, dried, sorted, folded, and placed back in the drawers.
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We already have dishwashers for the washing part, the hard part is getting the robot to collect everything, not break or spill anything, clean the big chunks off, load the dishwasher and run it. Then inspect, unload and put it away.
The good news is if you can build a robot to do that, it should be a no-brainer to get it to do laundry and garbage duties as well. Probably get it to cook too.
I'd be very worried that the cat would get laundered our thrown out.
a robot that cleans - vaccuums, sweeps, dusts, mops
Mom. Is that you?
When I was a kid, I acquired one of those hotel door hanger signs that said, "Housekeeping. Please make up my room." And hung it on my doorknob. My mother drew the line at that one.
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or stuffing it in a box with a vial of poison and a radioactive isotope.
Makes you think they asked, "what do you want the dish washing robot to do?" Fucking editors.
Every restaurant under the sun uses a dishwasher for glasses and cutlery.
The good restaurants have staff who hand polish all of the glasses and cutlery before it is put out for diners to use. You've probably never worked in catering, but it is pretty standard that the last job for the staff before going home for the night is polishing - and everyone can stand around and have a good chat and decompress before knocking off.
If you anthropomophize the problem, yeah, difficult, but if you just consider physical principles, not difficult. It would not be difficult (or me) to design a âoeslightlyâ upgraded dishwasher that can sort dishes like a coin sorter and clean them out of a modified sink unit.
Or maybe Iâ(TM)m just a genius?
Zen offers the solution: "Be the dish."
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So... our Robotic Overlords will be cleaning our dishes and making happy fun sexy time?
I for one welcome our new, dish washing Robotic Overlords with benefits!
I would not be angry about the sign. It means that the occupant of the room at least cares about cleanliness and isn't content with living in dirty mess, even if they want someone else to do the cleaning.
But I would be absolutely bloody livid if there were ... complaints ... about the results. If it looked like trash to me, it's in the trashcan now and does not go back in the room. If it smelled, moved on its own, or looked at me funny, it also went in the trash. Any area denial weapons^H^H^H Legos that were on the floor are in the vacuum cleaner bag now. Which is also in the trash. Enjoy your clean room, and be warned that I will be back if it looks messy.
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