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Brands Pull YouTube Ads Over Images of Children (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Lidl, Cadbury maker Mondelez, Mars and other companies have pulled advertising from YouTube after the Times newspaper found the video sharing site was showing clips of scantily clad children alongside the ads of major brands. Comments from hundreds of pedophiles were posted alongside the videos, which appeared to have been uploaded by the children themselves, according to a Times investigation. One clip of a pre-teenage girl in a nightie drew 6.5 million views. The paper said YouTube, a unit of Alphabet subsidiary Google, had allowed sexualized imagery of children to be easily searchable and not lived up to promises to better monitor and police its services to protect children. In response, a YouTube spokesman said: "There shouldn't be any ads running on this content and we are working urgently to fix this."

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  1. There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So it is confirmed that the content is not a problem? Interesting policies youtube.

    1. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the UK (where The Times is) this material could be illegal for some people. The law states that for something to be child porn it doesn't necessarily have to contain nudity or be suggestive, only likely to stimulate the viewer. So children's clothes catalogues in a parent's hands are fine, but under some single guy's mattress could be child porn.

      Yes, it's that crazy.

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    2. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should it be? The kids uploaded the videos by themselves of their own volition.

      If youtube decided to censor these videos it would run up against free speech provisions of the US constitution.

    3. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      Intent (mens rea) is always an issue in crime.

      But yes, in reality it gets to be pretty bizarre.

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    4. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this is Slashdot, blah blah blah, but you're a dumbass.

    5. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In the UK (where The Times is) this material could be illegal for some people. The law states that for something to be child porn it doesn't necessarily have to contain nudity or be suggestive, only likely to stimulate the viewer. So children's clothes catalogues in a parent's hands are fine, but under some single guy's mattress could be child porn.

      Yes, it's that crazy.

      Some times I wonder if the old projection issue might be showing up, in similar manner to how anti-gay family values politicians have a striking tendency to be found doing exactly what they rail against at other times.

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    6. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Why should it be? The kids uploaded the videos by themselves of their own volition.

      If youtube decided to censor these videos it would run up against free speech provisions of the US constitution.

      First thing is, this was the UK, who doesn't answer to the US constitution.

      If it was actually decided that the images constituted kiddie porn, it wouldn't absolve the children of legal responsibility, at least in the USA. I don't know if any of the publicized cases went to trial, but there have been threats of arrest against teenagers who posted naked selfies.

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    7. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      youtube is a US company and none of these pictures were naked.

    8. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1, Troll

      They were too busy hunting down dangerous people like StyxHexenHammer666 who got his whole channel shut down for violating community guidelines.

      StyxHexenHammer666 Has Been Terminated

      What were the last videos he uploaded?

      Google to Derank RT and Sputnik to Protect Users from Wrongthink

      Democrat Meltdown Continues as Clinton and Obama Camps Begin to Attack One Another

      Vermont Issues 127: Someone Destroyed 300 Gallons of Maple Syrup During a Robbery

      I.e. criticize Google who own Youtube or the Democrats (a href="">who got 98% of Google employees donations) and your whole channel gets shut down for violating community guidelines. Upload weird paedobait and nothing happens. Until the advertisers start pulling ads - I bet that will make Google do something. StyxHexenHammer666's channel is back up, but I bet that's only because other Youtubers like The Thinkery made videos asking why his channel had been pulled. If he was less well known, his channel would probably have disappeared.

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    9. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If this was in the USA, the kid who uploaded a nude photo of himself/herself would be charged with possessing and making kiddie porn.

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    10. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I screwed up that link about the Democrats getting a remarkable 98% of Google's employees donations compared the tech industry average of 53%

      http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/1...

      NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Google Inc. employees took out their wallets and showed overwhelming support for the Democratic Party last year, according to a report Monday in USA Today.

      A USA Today campaign finance analysis found that, of the company's overall political contributions, 98 percent went to Democrats, the biggest share among top tech donors.

      The online search company's employees gave $207,650 to federal candidates during last year's election campaign, which includes the White House race between Democrat John Kerry and the winning incumbent Republican, President Bush. The contributions were up from just $250 in 2000 when Google was a start-up, according to the paper.

      The paper said that 53 percent of the broader tech industry's $25.9 million went to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance.

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    11. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Whose intent, though?

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    12. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Intent (mens rea) is always an issue in crime.

      Except when there is strict liability, which can be even crazier:

      For example, in Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain v Storkwain (1986) 2 ALL ER 635, a pharmacist supplied drugs to a patient who presented a forged doctor's prescription, but was convicted even though the House of Lords accepted that the pharmacist was blameless.

    13. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by gnick · · Score: 1

      Presumably anyone whose intent they can 'prove'; creator, distributor, or consumer. I can't think of a fair way of establishing intent that doesn't involve somebody declaring it themselves.

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    14. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were no nude pictures.

    15. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Gaxx · · Score: 1

      Why should it be? The kids uploaded the videos by themselves of their own volition.

      If youtube decided to censor these videos it would run up against free speech provisions of the US constitution.

      OK.

      Two flaws with that argument.

      Firstly, the US constitution protects free speech from interference by the state (at least it does in the broadest reading). Google is not (yet) considered to be an arm of the state.

      Secondly, the article is talking about UK law and jurisdiction, not US. It doesn't matter a jot where the company is registered, their operations are not protected by the US constitution outside of the US (no matter how much you might wish that to be the case).

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    16. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      There were no nude pictures.

      It doesn't necessarily have to be nude. There was a local guy who got nailed for having fully clothed underage girls on his computer that he took.

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    17. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      If this was in the USA, the kid who uploaded a nude photo of himself/herself would be charged with possessing and making kiddie porn.

      Usually, the DA's in such cases decline to prosecute, probably because the whole trial would get pretty complicated pretty quickly. In the end, the dumbass kid is just told to knock it the hell off.

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    18. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Mens rea is not always an issue in crime actually.

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    19. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Children don't have the same rights as adults in the US, which might be pertinent if this was a US issue.

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    20. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies operating in the UK are subject to UK law. The US constitution is irrelevant in this case.

    21. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by strstr · · Score: 0

      like seriously the stuff they are claiming is sexualized imagery of children isn't. it's really just images of people they want to censor. they hate the female image and image of children. they are ok with men with their tops off and violent "manly" things.

      the content they are angry over is sort of like Disney or Nickoloedeon like stuff or family video - around the house type stuff.

      they honestly believe that all womanly images and children images should be hidden and have developed over sensitization to it from hiding and even touching up the images too much.

      for example to them something overly sexual is a teenager who is very attractive in a room with her friends falling off a bunk bed which content type airs on shows like America's Funniest Videos. The issue is the girl looks very hot even though it's just around the house family stuff. It was aired on DMV. these conservative religious nut cases can't stand stuff like that because they are literally brain damaged individuals. The more censorship is allowed the more sensitive to this type of image people become.

      I think Miley Cirus poked fun at it in some of her videos. there's some where she is merely wearing a bathing suit acting like a baby and you get to see her ass, legs spread, bent over positions and body a lot.. she's highlighting things people have kind of tried to cut out of their nervous system from processing which has made them allergic to it.

      the solution is not to censor it but uncensor it so people develop their brains to handle it properly.

      https://www.trumpsweapon.com/

    22. Re: There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US it works out to be something like this:

      Did you intend to do something they do not like but broke no law? Guilty. Did you break a law but not intend to or did it accidentally? Guilty. Did you exist? Guilty. How isn't everyone in jail you ask? Easy, everyone is guilty of something, we only choose to prosecute those who we dislike (usually ends up being ugly, strange, and poor people).

    23. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Computershack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So it is confirmed that the content is not a problem? Interesting policies youtube.

      I think it is more of an indictment of yourself that you think a young kid being in a night gown is anything other than a young kid being in a night gown. I doubt it was a negligee or other lingerie, probably just a young girl in a my little pony nightie. If you find the possibility of that being sexually attractive then you have issues. Or are you one of the brigade that think every man is a closet paedophile?

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    24. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Intent (mens rea) is always an issue in crime.

      But yes, in reality it gets to be pretty bizarre.

      Standing in line at the water park I'd taken my son to, a 13 year old girl starting chatting indicating she was fairly loose.

      Figure I gave her my number as coming home from work one day a message on the answering machine was from her, she said she was looking for some fun by could get by with just eating her girlfriends junk. No return number given, and the last contact I had with them.

      Now who's intent, and who would of burned.

    25. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      How can it be the consumer? Being excited thinking about children in private is would be thought crime, literally. So what can the consumer be accused of? Intent of having dirty thoughts?
      Possible for the distributor, for example if the editor of a children catalog decide to put them in sex shops.
      Possible for the creator. This is the most serious case because he is the only one dealing with actual children.

    26. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by computational+super · · Score: 1

      That's what always makes me uncomfortable about censorship - especially this particular kind. Somebody says, "this was inappropriate content, we've removed it from your sight because it's inappropriate and you shouldn't be looking at it." Of course, since I can't look at it to judge for myself what they consider "inappropriate", I'll never know if they were right or wrong - or what else they might be censoring.

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    27. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by gnick · · Score: 1

      So what can the consumer be accused of? Intent of having dirty thoughts?

      Pretty much. Like AmiMoJo points out above, in the UK the same catalog could be legal for the person buying his daughter a bathing suit, but illegal for the guy spanking to it.

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    28. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a US citizen, Paedofinder General looks a lot less hyperbolic knowing this. Does no one point out that in order for someone to consume CP, someone had to have produced that CP? Is it waved away with crazypants moon logic, or do few oppose it for fear of being labeled a witch^Wpedo?

    29. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say this as a formerly straight republican lawmaker that's still in the closet, but it started off like "I wonder what the fuss is about" on a very drunk night.

    30. Re: There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? The UK is trying to enforce "right to be forgotten" globally, why should the US be different?

    31. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      That's right - welcome to the 1980s citizen.

      We have hate crime laws too, where the criteria for any allegation to be a hate crime is that someone feels it is offensive.

    32. Re: There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They should equally draw laughter from overseas.

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    33. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      Intent (mens rea) is always an issue in crime.

      But yes, in reality it gets to be pretty bizarre.

      But intent is typically a defense against a charge when you've done something that would otherwise be illegal. It's pretty scary when legal activity becomes illegal because of intent. If an advertising flyer is included in every newspaper and it contains ads for children's underwear, could a single guy be charged for failing to throw it in the garbage fast enough? This sounds very scary.

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    34. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YouTube is a multinational: it is several companies in several different nations.

    35. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... indicating she was fairly loose.

      Smart girl: An older man will have his own place and car, won't know her girlfriends, won't brag about some teenage 'slut' and will perform competent foreplay.

      who would have burned?

      In most countries, a pick-up like that would be on the female, with age being a minor factor. (Bonus: If she admits to previous acts, she can't claim ignorance of the consequences.) An on-going relationship however, ...

    36. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      The adult is the problem. Don't give your number to 13 year olds and don't prey on them when they are vulnerable.

      What's hard to understand?

    37. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by beastofburdon · · Score: 0

      In reality, the only intent that matters is that of the prosecutor, and they tend to be the scum of the lawyer world, which is itself the worst scum of humanity.

  2. Pedophiles? Just Republicans enjoying free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let the Cadbury boycotts begin

    MAGA

  3. Pics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or it didn't happen

    (It's funny, laugh)

  4. Roy Moore Says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOOOOOOOOO!

  5. People are sick assholes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Automated algorithms really just highlight that fact.

    How else does Faccebook end up selling ads for the term "Jew Hater"?

    And then tech companies just say "oh noes, it wasn't us, it was teh algorithm which did the naughty". Sorry, you built it, you own it, you profit it, you're legally responsible for it.

    1. Re: People are sick assholes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing illegal or unethical about marketing to "jew haters"... Any more than marketing to people who don't like Star Wars or are allergic to cats.

    2. Re: People are sick assholes ... by gnick · · Score: 1

      There's nothing illegal or unethical about marketing to "jew haters"...

      If your business strategy requires you to market to "Jew haters," there might be something unethical about your product.

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    3. Re: People are sick assholes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is an overlap between hating jews and not being jewish.
      there is an overlap between not being jewish and enjoying bacon.
      hence if you sell bacon, you should advertize to jew haters(!)

    4. Re: People are sick assholes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is an overlap between liking kiddie porn and liking porn
      there is an overlap between liking porn and purchasing porn
      hence if you sell porn, you should advertize to pedophiles(!)

    5. Re:People are sick assholes ... by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      The term is strictly halal, that's how. /s

    6. Re: People are sick assholes ... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Yew haters are just jealous of yew's longevity and its ability to stay hard.

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  6. Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The age of consent used to be 13 up until 20-25 years ago when I was still a kid, then crept to 16, and is it 18 yet in the UK?

    But even more fundamentally: That one of the biggest and most powerful rings of *ACTIVE* pedophiles was in Parliament itself, damaged untold numbers of orphaned children they 'borrowed' from local orphanages, and then the whole thing was covered up by MI5 until after the last of said pedophiles died, helping to keep from it tarnishing the image of Parliament. All while at the same time making Pitcairn into a pedophile state (complete with restrictions on new people moving there with children aged 15 or younger!) for essentially the same behavior as Britains political leadership.

    Oh by the way, Britain has made that entire region a 'Nature Preserve' despite that going against current UNICLOS legal guidelines, and most likely intended for future exploratory mining to help shore up Britain's declining economy and relevance in the international community.

    1. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Age of consent is irrelevant. There are plenty of jurisdictions where it is legal for a person to have sex, but illegal for the same person to take a nude selfie.

      The difference is that the sex does not require technology.

    2. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      The difference is that the sex does not require technology.

      Speak for yourself.

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    3. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Age of consent is irrelevant. There are plenty of jurisdictions where it is legal for a person to have sex, but illegal for the same person to take a nude selfie.

      The difference is that the sex does not require technology.

      "Indiana court rules that sex with 16-year-olds is fine, but sexting them is not" https://nypost.com/2017/10/04/...

    4. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I've heard stories over the years from coworkers and family members who knew someone who knew someone else who retired to a foreign INSERT MISSING WORD HERE YOU BIG ADHD DUMMY and married a sweet young thing (16+ years old) with the village [sic] permission."

      Chris, your crammar is atrocious this afternoon. Never mind the run-on sentence... probably the only running you've done in a long time.

      Put down the NCIS box set, it's fiction, OK?

    5. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it isn't a topic of interest for you, why do you keep talking about it on a technology message board, even though people keep telling you it's really creepy the way you keep talking about it? Why not just stop?

      Child brides in the United States are American as apple pie.
      You keep saying this, why do you feel the need to have a "sound bite" about the subject of child marriage in the first place?

      Nobody here is saying you are actually trying to buy a child bride. Ultimately we don't know you, and nothing you've said indicates that you actually plan to go through with this. If an elderly, morbidly obese man who didn't speak Spanish showed up in a Mexican village looking for a child bride, I imagine it is much more likely you would end up beaten & robbed than that you would leave with a child bride.

      It is really weird/creepy that you keep talking about it on Slashdot, and apparently you talk about it with co-workers as well. For most people, child marriage and its feasibility is not a subject that they would ever bring up with co-workers or strangers, except perhaps in the most abstract. If somebody they knew talked about "bang for retirement buck" and "sweet young thing" they would never talk to them in any sort of social context, ever again.

    6. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you never done a search for "sex" on Slashdot. Top three stories about sex with comment counts.

      "Sex Toy Company Admits To Recording Users' Remote Sex Sessions, Calls It a 'Minor Bug" (81 comments)

      "How Facebook Outs Sex Workers (635 comments)

      "PornHub Uses Computer Vision To ID Actors, Acts In Its Videos" (135 comments)

      If you're wondering why the Facebook story has 635 comments, Facebook has replaced Tinder and Craigslist as the app of choice for picking up prostitutes.

      As for talking about sex in the workplace, just search for Uber.

    7. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New sex story on front page of Slashdot. I'm going to my bunk.

      "Pornhub Owner May Become the UK's Gatekeeper of Online Porn" (18+ comments)

    8. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I so high that I am misunderstanding you?
      I'll check my library of creimer quotes after this turkey leg and afgoo cheese wears off. You probably say your creepiest stuff in threads about active directory I'll bet

    9. Re: Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between talking about sex and talking about best strategies for child marriage. To most people, there is basically no relation. Your inability to know this instinctively is part of why youâ(TM)re considered a weird creep.

    10. Re: Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so funny. You pushed this false for two narrative for two weeks. When creimer finally responds in a comment, you're all offended like a bunch of schoolgirls. Hypocrites!

    11. Re: Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When creimer finally responds in a comment, you're all offended like a bunch of schoolgirls. Hypocrites!

      Offended like schoolgirls who don't want to marry 50 year old men.

    12. Re: Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " You pushed this false for two narrative for two weeks"

      This word salad brought to you by creimer!

      By my stats, the more we expose the horror of your personality, the more crammar you write.

    13. Re: Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That you are schoolgirls doesn't surprise the rest of us. No wonder your comments are so juvenile.

    14. Re: Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is sweet tits bitter?

    15. Re: Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow you are dense.

      You talk about child marriage and discuss what your co-workers think of child marriage, and discuss some good strategies for child marriage. People say you are a creep for constantly talking about child marriage.

      Saying "well Slashdot had an article about sex six months ago" isn't a defense. Talking about sex isn't creepy and is even normal (when done in the correct context, of course). Discussing child marriage strategies is creepy.

      This is a really simple thing. People who say "sweet young thing" in their repeated discussions of child marriage, who keep saying things like "child marriage is as American as apple pie" are major creeps.

    16. Re: Gets even crazier when you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      creimer is mentally ill. I can't even begin to guess which illness, but a personality disorder is just the beginning with this guy.

  7. Old media, losing advertisers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Starts witchhunt against superior competitor it cannot compete anymore.

    This is news? For real?

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    1. Re:Old media, losing advertisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old media wishing to reduce their costs and responsibility to match the new media.

      Old media, you had content and a best guess on demographic that consumes the content.
      Ads were placed based on content.

      New media, ads are placed by targeted viewer. So easy a computer can do it making it cheap. Cheap targeted ads are a benefit to counterfeits and other scams and dilute branding.

    2. Re:Old media, losing advertisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Superior" competitor ... ah yes, the competitor that allows you to target your ads by whether or not someone hates blacks and jews ... the "superior" competitor whose "kid-friendly" streams have been gamed to show videos of children being tortured with needles and surgical tools ... the "superior" competitor whose solution to every problem is a hacked together and easily gamed "AI engine" that is supposed to magically make all problems go away, but fails to do it and sometimes even makes the problem worse.

      Maybe, just maybe, old media does have a few legitimate grievances.

    3. Re:Old media, losing advertisers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If I'm an advertisers and know that my products are bought by racist assholes, yes, I want my ads to be shown to racist assholes because those are the people that buy my stuff.

      Erh... that's the basic principle of advertising, ya know...

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  8. less sensationalism more facts please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    had allowed sexualized imagery of children to be easily searchable

    What does that mean? People could search for "sexy little girl' and the kid in the nightie showed up? That worked because someone made a comment with that exact text on the video? If so, how do they prevent it now?

    6.5 million views, not really a lot. I'm guessing 100k of those are pedos and the other 6.4 million are just trolls that think it's funny to pretend to be a pedo.

    Why is a little girl's (probably stupid and pointless) video have ads on it anyway? Is the little girl getting a percentage? If not, then how does the pedo aspect make it worse? Isn't youtube just exploiting a little girl regardless of the sexualization?

  9. ads = monetized? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does the fact that ads were displayed mean that the videos were monetized? if so, I call BS on "appeared to have been uploaded by the children themselves".
    Or rather, maybe they were uploaded by the kids but under supervision of an adult that gets the money from the ads...

  10. Uploaded by the children themselves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't that violate Youtube's TOS?

  11. Biting back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google's plan to advertise anything, anywhere, anytime is backfiring.

    1. Re: Biting back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. What's underlying this issue, like FB, is that 'AI' isn't so intelligent. So this is actually a challenge to the underlying business model, that doesn't require humans to scale.

      I'm curious who the spokesperson was from Google who tone deafly made that comment re ads.

  12. YouTube is distracted by 31415926535897 · · Score: 1

    They're too busy demonetizing second amendment channels to realize that their kiddie porn industry is blooming.

    https://youtu.be/H0Atpwo_AuY

  13. On what planet is a nightie "sexualized"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only somebody who is already a sick fuck could come up with thinking that, when seeing that!

    It's ye olde Caltholiban morals again.

    Then again, apparently 6.5 million assholes ARE religious ... err, I mean pedosexuals.

    Just for comparison, here is some sane behavior, uninfluenced by religiously repressed sexuality that later pops out as perversion:
    http://polynesianresourcecenter.com/culture/item/polynesian-sexual-customs

  14. Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or redefining "children" as 17y11mo30d--olds?

    1. Re:Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In middle ages, that 18 year old would be having third child. Now she is considered a child. How is that reasonable?

    2. Re:Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In middle ages, that 18 year old would be having third child. Now she is considered a child. How is that reasonable?

      In the Middle Ages, feudal lords could rape peasant girls with impunity. Now, political leaders get in trouble for groping grown women. How is that reasonable? Hint: it's not the Middle Ages anymore, idiot.

    3. Re:Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >In the Middle Ages, feudal lords could rape peasant girls with impunity

      That's not actually true.

    4. Re:Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Computershack · · Score: 1

      At the end of the 19th and turn of the 20th century it was still common for 12 year old girls to get married and even get pregnant in the USA.

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      I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams
    5. Re:Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

      Yes, and in the middle ages, nobles could kill serfs on a whim - luckily things have moved on a bit since then. Just because you like to spend your time trying to defend pedophiles doesn't mean others have to agree.

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      That is all.
    6. Re: Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      I was reading just the other week on the BBC that the world leader in child brides is in fact the USA, where marriage under 16 is still common place.

    7. Re: Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Texas, it's common for people to get through their 'starter' marriages and divorces while still in high school.

    8. Re: Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, just once basically : droit de signeur.

    9. Re: Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I saw something about that elsewhere and I get the feeling their talking about absolute numbers of child brides, not rates. The USA and of course other very populous countries end up with high absolute numbers because there are just so many people. I find it incredibly unlikely that the USA is anywhere near the rates that UNICEF identifies for other less developed parts of the world, like 4 in 10 for sub-Saharan Africa.

      Digging into the numbers I can find online one study found 167k marriages involving children in the USA between 2000 and 2010. The CDC says the average year in the USA results in 2,140,272 marriages, though I didn't see what years they were using for that number. Anyways the math is pretty easy, 16,700 child marriages a year divided by 2,000,000 marriages a year (rounding down considerably to be on the safe side) gives us 0.835% of marriages in the USA involving a child. I'll grant you that is a higher number than I would have thought, and it certainly warrants our attention as a society. It is, however, considerably less panic inducing than touting the line that child marriage is common place or that the USA is the world leader in child brides.

  15. As a father I find the reaction disturbing by FeelGood314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have five kids. I don't want my young daughters thinking their bodies are sex objects. I don't want them worrying about always covering up. I can't control what other people think and I don't think it matters what thoughts other people have in their heads. What I do care about is what other people say or do. So if my daughters upload something where they are having fun and they happen to also be in pajamas or their bathing suits I don't want someone saying they are being pornographic and shouldn't post it. I don't want my daughters actions or activities to be restricted because some people are worried about what other people are thinking. That's just messed up.

    1. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Do you want people commenting about the things they would like to do to them on youtube? Because if not, you might actually be for the censorship in this case.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    2. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worry more about their friends then their youtube time. One will follow the other. I have seen it over and over in many many kinds. Who they hang out with is way more important. Even the 'online' friends. Think back to your own childhood. They all form their little groups. Each group has a theme. Usually not a good one. As a person grows up they become less selfish (usually) but that usually takes until they are 17 or 18 before you even start to see any of that. But you need to plant the seeds of it way beforehand.

      Also keep their lives off the internet as much as possible. The internet is basically 'forever'. You are one google search away from total shame. I can find things I posted on the internet from 1992. I can find things from people who posted in the early 80s. Think about that. Who would think that digital data would still be around? Well it is and will be for a long ass time.

      What I do care about is what other people say or do
      Why? You realize that is the heart of the matter? Down that road leads to massive censorship. It leads to 1984. Do not think so? YT has decided to demonetize anyone who mentions or plays with a gun or mentions they like trump. Some people may not like those things. But is that sort of thing really worth getting in a twist over?

      YTs real problem is they let anything be associated to anything. Their advert program is failing in a big way and they are covering it up by deflecting blame. They are blaming the producers of the videos (the ones who make their platform work). Instead of advertising appropriate things alongside the vids they just shotgun it and hope for the best. If I am watching a vid about someone shooting a gun I would expect to see an advert for gloc. If I am watching something about Hillary I would expect to see something political form the DNC. If I am watching some pedo thing I would expect to see something directing me to get fucking help for my deviant behavior. For gods sake at one point they demonitized nurdrage. You can not get anymore boring than that. A dude explaining chemical reactions and how they work. A guy who leads off with a big 10 second custom warning on each video about what to do and not do and why.

      Their advert and strikes program is broken. The advertisers are just starting to figure it out. The content producers figured it out 2 years ago. Many decided to quit. Many decided to just keep trying. Many also decided to go full clickbait and change how they make things. So you are getting less good quality vids in an ever increase sea of clickbaits to get adverts. YT has positioned the system in that way that clickbait is the only way to make any money on that platform anymore unless you already had 2+ million followers. So it is not terribly surprising the good producers of videos walk. All you have left is junk.

      Then you have the old guard showing up and using the self righteous tools straight out of Alinsky's teachings. Shame and holding them up to impossible standards. YT Instead of fixing their platform, they pretend they are fixing the issue. By covering it up. They literally put in charge of this mess the very people who caused gamergate. Those people see censorship as their only tool. They call it deplatforming.

    3. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freedom of speech, motherfucker.

    4. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youtube is run by San Francisco liberals and headed by a woman. There's your problem.

    5. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be great if YouTube allowed you to disable comments? /s

    6. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      But what if there is ever way to comment besides directly on youtube! /herp-derp

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    7. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Principle Components Analysis is racist.

    8. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're worried about what people are saying about your kids on other sites that you have never heard of and will never be exposed to? Where does that madness end? Do you also keep them locked up at home because there might be perverts at the grocery store?

      Out of sight, out of mind. You should worry less about what people might be privately thinking.

    9. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      FTS: Comments from hundreds of pedophiles were posted alongside the videos, which appeared to have been uploaded by the children themselves,

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    10. Re: As a father I find the reaction disturbing by edris90 · · Score: 1

      Well, wants are like wishes, back to reality. Nobody can directly control anyone elses action. In the end everybody decided for themselves what action to take based on their personal experience in goals. Actions are the effect of thoughts. Just as it's not practical to expect to ever reliably control others thoughts, neither can you control their actions. So the strategy need s to be, when the world inevitably pulls it's bullshit your daughter's need to be effecttive enough to make it irrellevant to themselves through self control, choosing of beliefs that don't result in inner conflict or inflexibility in thought and how to create new procedures heuristic ly in the moment the ensure their desired experience

    11. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by phorm · · Score: 1

      I think that - in part - the reaction is in regards to the comments from a bunch of sickos/pedos as opposed to the kids posting themselves. That said, one *should* learn at a younger age to be careful of what you post online, as in the age of data-retention and mining it could have repercussions later in life.

      Maybe one way to deal with it would be to restrict comments on videos posted by young persons.

    12. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by pots · · Score: 1

      Someone made a reasonable claim a while back that we can blame the hysteria over pedophiles that has been building for the last few decades on Rupert Murdoch. This is an apolitical criticism: he gets a lot of crap for his politics, and for the politics of the media outlets that he owns, but apparently this was just about making money. People buy newspapers and watch the news more when they're scared, and scaring people about their children turns out to be very effective.

      Also, responding to the article: No, no brand would ever want to be associated with scantily clad children. Never.

    13. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't let your daughters upload personal videos to everyone on the planet? Only let them share them with people they personally know. Why does anyone else matter to them?

  16. Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not fond of images of underage kids dressed in such a way, but I am even more against censorship, and no censorship often means things we don't like being available to the masses.

    In the end, it's the responsibility of the parents to monitor their children to avoid this, and if they think their children are old enough to not be monitored, then that too was the parents choice.

    1. Re:Censorship by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      ... if they think their children are old enough to not be monitored, then that too was the parents choice.

      No, it isn't. For example a parent might think that their 12 year old is old enough to pose for Penthouse. As you can imagine now that you think about it further, it doesn't work the way you think it does.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  17. Pedo hysteria needs to stop by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    This allergic reaction gives incentive to murder children who have already been abused, since the sentences are about the same but the murder makes the pedo less likely to be caught. It keeps pedophiles from seeking help before they abuse, since no psychiatrist can be trusted. It encourages further degradation of the constitution, as any abuse is considered acceptable to stop a pedophile. It constitutes a de-facto thought crime. It encourages shortcuts in logic. It prevents scientific arguments about how to best help children. It encourages crime in prison. And it causes more harm to children than it prevents. End the hysteria. End it now.

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    If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    1. Re:Pedo hysteria needs to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing wrong with loving children. Finally, it's our time.

    2. Re:Pedo hysteria needs to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly people often fail to understand how they only wind up trading places with the bad person in their efforts to stop them!

      the best way to destroy liberty is to talk people into giving it up so "they" can fight an enemy. And if you are not okay with giving up that liberty... they will twist what you say to make it appear as though you are protecting the criminal instead of liberty.

    3. Re:Pedo hysteria needs to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in some states, if someone goes to a psychiatrist/therapist/LCSW and admits to such tendencies, that person is obligated by law to report them. So it's a lose/lose: can't get help without being arrested, can't act on the problem without being arrested.

  18. Re:Pedophiles? Just Republicans enjoying free spee by Edweirdo · · Score: 1

    I do not know why it is necessary to politicize something like this. There are plenty terrible things happening from both sides of the isle. People, in general, are terrible.

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    Life is too short and too important to { take seriously | use windows }.
  19. Ad fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said.

    By the platform itself.

  20. wait what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when was a kid wearing pajamas or whatever sexualized? Non sense. This is just a movement by religious extremists to regulate what level of clothing is "appropriate" for children to wear. They target the web adds because it's easier than the girls and their parents. Here's the fact: It's not sexual because the child wasn't involved in sexualized activity and wasn't being exploited.

    Here's a good rule of thumb I like to apply:
    If the child was a boy instead of a girl, would you think it was sexualized? If the answer is no, then it's not sexualized, and you only think it's sexual because it's girls and you want to apply a double standard rooted in religious animus towards women's freedom.

    1. Re:wait what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To clarify, I'm not saying that certain men might not find such images sexually arousing, but we can't regulate images based on whether people are aroused by them or not. Otherwise it creates a double standard on behavior which is far worse than some 40 year old dude posting comments on you tube or whatever.

      There is a difference between children engaging in ordinary activity that some might find arousing due to however their brains work, and children being actually exploited sexually. We've already said, at least in the United States, that art depicting non-real children engaged in sexual activity cannot be illegal because it's not real and no children were actually sexually abused in the making of the art. The question is simple: whether or not the images show sexual abuse or exploitation.

      These advertisers should learn from the logic of our Supreme Court, the reality is that no matter how creepy you might find these comments, they don't have any effect beyond your discomfort. And if we ban things because they make us uncomfortable, pretty soon, society gets strangled. Advertisers have started to act like regulators, pulling ads in order to put political pressure on companies to achieve what they can't do through regulation and law. This needs to stop.

      We can't have companies bullying people and other companies because they want to force political change that they can't get legally. This circumvents the rule of law. You might think that this is different because of "think of the children" but the reality is that it isn't, you've simply been conditioned to believe that pedophilia is a serious problem by those in the medical and psychiatric field that stand to profit monetarily by the government putting as many people as possible in their institution. The reality is that child abuse in the United States is relatively rare, and the abuse that does occur is not a result of videos on you tube of girls not wearing enough clothing according to the religious zealots.

  21. yup by AndyKron · · Score: 0

    There's a lot of fucking assholes in this country, and I bet most of them voted for Trump if they weren't already felons.

  22. The Real Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to be easily searchable

    The content was easily searchable. It should have been hard to search, or searchable with a hard on. Oh, wait perhaps many of those suspected pedophiles were actually just evil teens trolling for easy laughs. Parents, teach your kids to disable comments on their lingerie fashion/dance videos. And maybe many others as well..

  23. Why are you lying if you supposedly don't care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my trolls started pushing the false narrative that I wanted to marry child bride from Mexico or the Philippines over the last two weeks.

    Why is it that you'd evaluated the feasibility of selling everything you own to travel to Mexico to find a wife?

    I've never taken an interest in this subject

    Why is it that you seemed to firmly believe that child marriage is common in the US and allowed? Your head was filled with firmly held misconceptions, if you had no prior interest in the subject it's likely that you'd have accepted the new information with little fuss, That child brides are only legal by exception and almost always socially unacceptable in the USA.

    Child brides in the United States are American as apple pie.

    Glad you said this with your name attached this time, Added to CREIMER.TXT!
    Age:
    The general age of marriage in the entire USA is 18 years old or even higher. In the wikipedia article there are ages where exceptions are taken into account. The majority of exceptions granted are for the marriage of couples with less than a 10 year age difference. I'm not even sure what the gap is but 10 years is being generous... certainly a 50 year old man will not be granted an exemption for even a 17 year old girl.
    Exceptions:
    There have been exceptions in the past for religions reasons and pregnancy. But you're not Amish or Mormon in a state with a sympathetic judiciary. As a matter of fact if you even tried I'm sure the judge would be rightfully pissed off that you're endangering Amish traditions with your efforts to skirt the law. If you came before a judge and requested an exemption for pregnancy, I'm sure the judge would have you explain everything slowly and clearly and then proceed to turn your application over to the prosecution. But I am not a judge or lawyer.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html

    Nearly everything you say is exposed as a distortion of the truth in this article. According to this article it's 200k marriages in 15 years! That would be 6 in 1000 marriages requiring an exemption. Keeping in mind that this number includes all cases of 16 & 17 (and in some states 18, 19, and 20) year olds getting married to someone reasonable age appropriate. Suddenly it becomes very obvious that the edge cases that slipped through the cracks are probably not "As American as apple pie"

    So why is it so important to you that you'd lie or force yourself to believe a deluded version of the truth?
    The zinger:

    retired to a foreign and married a sweet young thing (16+ years old) with the village permission.

    retired

    sweet young thing (16+ years old)

    This is not an acceptable marriage to most americans.

    sweet young thing

    sweet young thing

    sweet young thing

  24. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST CREIMER POST EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the false narrative that I wanted to marry child bride from Mexico or the Philippines over the last two weeks. Not surprisingly, they have taken my comments out of context and twisted them around. I've heard stories over the years from coworkers and family members who knew someone who knew someone else who retired to a foreign and married a sweet young thing (16+ years old) with the village permission.

    If I wanted to twist your words it would sound like this:
    Creimer writes:

    I wanted to marry child bride from Mexico or the Philippines over the last two weeks.

    But I don't have to do that
    Creimer writes:

    I've heard stories over the years from coworkers and family members who knew someone who knew someone else who retired to a foreign and married a sweet young thing (16+ years old) with the village permission.

    A normal person hears: My friend went to a poor place and bought a polite sex slave from the village elders.

    1. Re:THIS IS THE STUPIDEST CREIMER POST EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer is deliberately driving his trolls mad. Praise the Lord and pass the popcorn!

    2. Re:THIS IS THE STUPIDEST CREIMER POST EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only deliberate thing you do is shove more carbs down your blowhole, Chris.

  25. Just a dumb hitjob by Jarwulf · · Score: 1

    from media looking to stir up controversy. The advertisers need Youtube more than Youtube needs them. But unfortunately Google themselves sympathize with censorship and pearlclutching so they go along with it.

  26. Public image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... pre-teenage girl in a nightie ...

    Images of tweenies in see-through clothing have been on the internet for a while. But now they're in a place where they're easy to find and dumb people can brag that fully-grown nipples are titillating. If they want to perv on real children they can watch this, with only 30,000 views.

    ... allowed sexualized imagery of children ...

    Adults are sexual beings but that doesn't happen because a teenager has some magic birthday and can now do 'adult' activities. It happens over a long period of time, which is precisely why children need protection. But businesses like Youtube can't always compensate for childish ignorance or stupidity. Yes, we need to discourage children from sexting but I don't see a shortage of teenagers proclaiming "look at me". Yes, we need sites like Youtube to discourage objectification of children. But most of all, we need to punish people who publicly objectify others. Notice I didn't say "children", I said "others". Modern society publicly objectifies a lot of people, so this isn't a "think of the children" issue. If we want the public image of a child to be respected, we need to start with the public image of an adult.

  27. And here we go again... by Z80a · · Score: 2

    Old media trying to murder new media .

  28. Fake. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

    They don't give a single fuck. People have been complaining about this for years, they only pretend to care now because it made news. They literally have given zero fucks about this.

  29. Alphabet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm hearing about another of Alphabet everyday. Who would guess Alphabet has a search engine subsidiary that has a video website?