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Brands Pull YouTube Ads Over Images of Children (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Lidl, Cadbury maker Mondelez, Mars and other companies have pulled advertising from YouTube after the Times newspaper found the video sharing site was showing clips of scantily clad children alongside the ads of major brands. Comments from hundreds of pedophiles were posted alongside the videos, which appeared to have been uploaded by the children themselves, according to a Times investigation. One clip of a pre-teenage girl in a nightie drew 6.5 million views. The paper said YouTube, a unit of Alphabet subsidiary Google, had allowed sexualized imagery of children to be easily searchable and not lived up to promises to better monitor and police its services to protect children. In response, a YouTube spokesman said: "There shouldn't be any ads running on this content and we are working urgently to fix this."

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  1. There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So it is confirmed that the content is not a problem? Interesting policies youtube.

    1. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the UK (where The Times is) this material could be illegal for some people. The law states that for something to be child porn it doesn't necessarily have to contain nudity or be suggestive, only likely to stimulate the viewer. So children's clothes catalogues in a parent's hands are fine, but under some single guy's mattress could be child porn.

      Yes, it's that crazy.

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    2. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      Intent (mens rea) is always an issue in crime.

      But yes, in reality it gets to be pretty bizarre.

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    3. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In the UK (where The Times is) this material could be illegal for some people. The law states that for something to be child porn it doesn't necessarily have to contain nudity or be suggestive, only likely to stimulate the viewer. So children's clothes catalogues in a parent's hands are fine, but under some single guy's mattress could be child porn.

      Yes, it's that crazy.

      Some times I wonder if the old projection issue might be showing up, in similar manner to how anti-gay family values politicians have a striking tendency to be found doing exactly what they rail against at other times.

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    4. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Why should it be? The kids uploaded the videos by themselves of their own volition.

      If youtube decided to censor these videos it would run up against free speech provisions of the US constitution.

      First thing is, this was the UK, who doesn't answer to the US constitution.

      If it was actually decided that the images constituted kiddie porn, it wouldn't absolve the children of legal responsibility, at least in the USA. I don't know if any of the publicized cases went to trial, but there have been threats of arrest against teenagers who posted naked selfies.

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    5. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1, Troll

      They were too busy hunting down dangerous people like StyxHexenHammer666 who got his whole channel shut down for violating community guidelines.

      StyxHexenHammer666 Has Been Terminated

      What were the last videos he uploaded?

      Google to Derank RT and Sputnik to Protect Users from Wrongthink

      Democrat Meltdown Continues as Clinton and Obama Camps Begin to Attack One Another

      Vermont Issues 127: Someone Destroyed 300 Gallons of Maple Syrup During a Robbery

      I.e. criticize Google who own Youtube or the Democrats (a href="">who got 98% of Google employees donations) and your whole channel gets shut down for violating community guidelines. Upload weird paedobait and nothing happens. Until the advertisers start pulling ads - I bet that will make Google do something. StyxHexenHammer666's channel is back up, but I bet that's only because other Youtubers like The Thinkery made videos asking why his channel had been pulled. If he was less well known, his channel would probably have disappeared.

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    6. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If this was in the USA, the kid who uploaded a nude photo of himself/herself would be charged with possessing and making kiddie porn.

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    7. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I screwed up that link about the Democrats getting a remarkable 98% of Google's employees donations compared the tech industry average of 53%

      http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/1...

      NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Google Inc. employees took out their wallets and showed overwhelming support for the Democratic Party last year, according to a report Monday in USA Today.

      A USA Today campaign finance analysis found that, of the company's overall political contributions, 98 percent went to Democrats, the biggest share among top tech donors.

      The online search company's employees gave $207,650 to federal candidates during last year's election campaign, which includes the White House race between Democrat John Kerry and the winning incumbent Republican, President Bush. The contributions were up from just $250 in 2000 when Google was a start-up, according to the paper.

      The paper said that 53 percent of the broader tech industry's $25.9 million went to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance.

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    8. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Whose intent, though?

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    9. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Intent (mens rea) is always an issue in crime.

      Except when there is strict liability, which can be even crazier:

      For example, in Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain v Storkwain (1986) 2 ALL ER 635, a pharmacist supplied drugs to a patient who presented a forged doctor's prescription, but was convicted even though the House of Lords accepted that the pharmacist was blameless.

    10. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by gnick · · Score: 1

      Presumably anyone whose intent they can 'prove'; creator, distributor, or consumer. I can't think of a fair way of establishing intent that doesn't involve somebody declaring it themselves.

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    11. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Gaxx · · Score: 1

      Why should it be? The kids uploaded the videos by themselves of their own volition.

      If youtube decided to censor these videos it would run up against free speech provisions of the US constitution.

      OK.

      Two flaws with that argument.

      Firstly, the US constitution protects free speech from interference by the state (at least it does in the broadest reading). Google is not (yet) considered to be an arm of the state.

      Secondly, the article is talking about UK law and jurisdiction, not US. It doesn't matter a jot where the company is registered, their operations are not protected by the US constitution outside of the US (no matter how much you might wish that to be the case).

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    12. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      There were no nude pictures.

      It doesn't necessarily have to be nude. There was a local guy who got nailed for having fully clothed underage girls on his computer that he took.

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    13. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      If this was in the USA, the kid who uploaded a nude photo of himself/herself would be charged with possessing and making kiddie porn.

      Usually, the DA's in such cases decline to prosecute, probably because the whole trial would get pretty complicated pretty quickly. In the end, the dumbass kid is just told to knock it the hell off.

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    14. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Mens rea is not always an issue in crime actually.

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    15. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Children don't have the same rights as adults in the US, which might be pertinent if this was a US issue.

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    16. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Computershack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So it is confirmed that the content is not a problem? Interesting policies youtube.

      I think it is more of an indictment of yourself that you think a young kid being in a night gown is anything other than a young kid being in a night gown. I doubt it was a negligee or other lingerie, probably just a young girl in a my little pony nightie. If you find the possibility of that being sexually attractive then you have issues. Or are you one of the brigade that think every man is a closet paedophile?

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    17. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Intent (mens rea) is always an issue in crime.

      But yes, in reality it gets to be pretty bizarre.

      Standing in line at the water park I'd taken my son to, a 13 year old girl starting chatting indicating she was fairly loose.

      Figure I gave her my number as coming home from work one day a message on the answering machine was from her, she said she was looking for some fun by could get by with just eating her girlfriends junk. No return number given, and the last contact I had with them.

      Now who's intent, and who would of burned.

    18. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      How can it be the consumer? Being excited thinking about children in private is would be thought crime, literally. So what can the consumer be accused of? Intent of having dirty thoughts?
      Possible for the distributor, for example if the editor of a children catalog decide to put them in sex shops.
      Possible for the creator. This is the most serious case because he is the only one dealing with actual children.

    19. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by computational+super · · Score: 1

      That's what always makes me uncomfortable about censorship - especially this particular kind. Somebody says, "this was inappropriate content, we've removed it from your sight because it's inappropriate and you shouldn't be looking at it." Of course, since I can't look at it to judge for myself what they consider "inappropriate", I'll never know if they were right or wrong - or what else they might be censoring.

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    20. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by gnick · · Score: 1

      So what can the consumer be accused of? Intent of having dirty thoughts?

      Pretty much. Like AmiMoJo points out above, in the UK the same catalog could be legal for the person buying his daughter a bathing suit, but illegal for the guy spanking to it.

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    21. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      That's right - welcome to the 1980s citizen.

      We have hate crime laws too, where the criteria for any allegation to be a hate crime is that someone feels it is offensive.

    22. Re: There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They should equally draw laughter from overseas.

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    23. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      Intent (mens rea) is always an issue in crime.

      But yes, in reality it gets to be pretty bizarre.

      But intent is typically a defense against a charge when you've done something that would otherwise be illegal. It's pretty scary when legal activity becomes illegal because of intent. If an advertising flyer is included in every newspaper and it contains ads for children's underwear, could a single guy be charged for failing to throw it in the garbage fast enough? This sounds very scary.

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    24. Re:There shouldn't be any ads on this content? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      The adult is the problem. Don't give your number to 13 year olds and don't prey on them when they are vulnerable.

      What's hard to understand?

  2. People are sick assholes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Automated algorithms really just highlight that fact.

    How else does Faccebook end up selling ads for the term "Jew Hater"?

    And then tech companies just say "oh noes, it wasn't us, it was teh algorithm which did the naughty". Sorry, you built it, you own it, you profit it, you're legally responsible for it.

    1. Re: People are sick assholes ... by gnick · · Score: 1

      There's nothing illegal or unethical about marketing to "jew haters"...

      If your business strategy requires you to market to "Jew haters," there might be something unethical about your product.

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    2. Re:People are sick assholes ... by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      The term is strictly halal, that's how. /s

    3. Re: People are sick assholes ... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Yew haters are just jealous of yew's longevity and its ability to stay hard.

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  3. Old media, losing advertisers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Starts witchhunt against superior competitor it cannot compete anymore.

    This is news? For real?

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    1. Re:Old media, losing advertisers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If I'm an advertisers and know that my products are bought by racist assholes, yes, I want my ads to be shown to racist assholes because those are the people that buy my stuff.

      Erh... that's the basic principle of advertising, ya know...

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  4. Biting back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google's plan to advertise anything, anywhere, anytime is backfiring.

  5. YouTube is distracted by 31415926535897 · · Score: 1

    They're too busy demonetizing second amendment channels to realize that their kiddie porn industry is blooming.

    https://youtu.be/H0Atpwo_AuY

  6. As a father I find the reaction disturbing by FeelGood314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have five kids. I don't want my young daughters thinking their bodies are sex objects. I don't want them worrying about always covering up. I can't control what other people think and I don't think it matters what thoughts other people have in their heads. What I do care about is what other people say or do. So if my daughters upload something where they are having fun and they happen to also be in pajamas or their bathing suits I don't want someone saying they are being pornographic and shouldn't post it. I don't want my daughters actions or activities to be restricted because some people are worried about what other people are thinking. That's just messed up.

    1. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Do you want people commenting about the things they would like to do to them on youtube? Because if not, you might actually be for the censorship in this case.

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    2. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be great if YouTube allowed you to disable comments? /s

    3. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      But what if there is ever way to comment besides directly on youtube! /herp-derp

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    4. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're worried about what people are saying about your kids on other sites that you have never heard of and will never be exposed to? Where does that madness end? Do you also keep them locked up at home because there might be perverts at the grocery store?

      Out of sight, out of mind. You should worry less about what people might be privately thinking.

    5. Re: As a father I find the reaction disturbing by edris90 · · Score: 1

      Well, wants are like wishes, back to reality. Nobody can directly control anyone elses action. In the end everybody decided for themselves what action to take based on their personal experience in goals. Actions are the effect of thoughts. Just as it's not practical to expect to ever reliably control others thoughts, neither can you control their actions. So the strategy need s to be, when the world inevitably pulls it's bullshit your daughter's need to be effecttive enough to make it irrellevant to themselves through self control, choosing of beliefs that don't result in inner conflict or inflexibility in thought and how to create new procedures heuristic ly in the moment the ensure their desired experience

    6. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by phorm · · Score: 1

      I think that - in part - the reaction is in regards to the comments from a bunch of sickos/pedos as opposed to the kids posting themselves. That said, one *should* learn at a younger age to be careful of what you post online, as in the age of data-retention and mining it could have repercussions later in life.

      Maybe one way to deal with it would be to restrict comments on videos posted by young persons.

    7. Re:As a father I find the reaction disturbing by pots · · Score: 1

      Someone made a reasonable claim a while back that we can blame the hysteria over pedophiles that has been building for the last few decades on Rupert Murdoch. This is an apolitical criticism: he gets a lot of crap for his politics, and for the politics of the media outlets that he owns, but apparently this was just about making money. People buy newspapers and watch the news more when they're scared, and scaring people about their children turns out to be very effective.

      Also, responding to the article: No, no brand would ever want to be associated with scantily clad children. Never.

  7. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    Age of consent is irrelevant. There are plenty of jurisdictions where it is legal for a person to have sex, but illegal for the same person to take a nude selfie.

    The difference is that the sex does not require technology.

  8. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    The difference is that the sex does not require technology.

    Speak for yourself.

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  9. Pedo hysteria needs to stop by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    This allergic reaction gives incentive to murder children who have already been abused, since the sentences are about the same but the murder makes the pedo less likely to be caught. It keeps pedophiles from seeking help before they abuse, since no psychiatrist can be trusted. It encourages further degradation of the constitution, as any abuse is considered acceptable to stop a pedophile. It constitutes a de-facto thought crime. It encourages shortcuts in logic. It prevents scientific arguments about how to best help children. It encourages crime in prison. And it causes more harm to children than it prevents. End the hysteria. End it now.

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  10. Re:Censorship by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    ... if they think their children are old enough to not be monitored, then that too was the parents choice.

    No, it isn't. For example a parent might think that their 12 year old is old enough to pose for Penthouse. As you can imagine now that you think about it further, it doesn't work the way you think it does.

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  11. Re:Pedophiles? Just Republicans enjoying free spee by Edweirdo · · Score: 1

    I do not know why it is necessary to politicize something like this. There are plenty terrible things happening from both sides of the isle. People, in general, are terrible.

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  12. Re:Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Computershack · · Score: 1

    At the end of the 19th and turn of the 20th century it was still common for 12 year old girls to get married and even get pregnant in the USA.

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  13. Re:Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

    Yes, and in the middle ages, nobles could kill serfs on a whim - luckily things have moved on a bit since then. Just because you like to spend your time trying to defend pedophiles doesn't mean others have to agree.

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  14. Re:Gets even crazier when you realize... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    Age of consent is irrelevant. There are plenty of jurisdictions where it is legal for a person to have sex, but illegal for the same person to take a nude selfie.

    The difference is that the sex does not require technology.

    "Indiana court rules that sex with 16-year-olds is fine, but sexting them is not" https://nypost.com/2017/10/04/...

  15. Re: Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

    I was reading just the other week on the BBC that the world leader in child brides is in fact the USA, where marriage under 16 is still common place.

  16. Just a dumb hitjob by Jarwulf · · Score: 1

    from media looking to stir up controversy. The advertisers need Youtube more than Youtube needs them. But unfortunately Google themselves sympathize with censorship and pearlclutching so they go along with it.

  17. And here we go again... by Z80a · · Score: 2

    Old media trying to murder new media .

  18. Fake. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

    They don't give a single fuck. People have been complaining about this for years, they only pretend to care now because it made news. They literally have given zero fucks about this.

  19. Re: Justifying being a sick fuck, are we? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

    I saw something about that elsewhere and I get the feeling their talking about absolute numbers of child brides, not rates. The USA and of course other very populous countries end up with high absolute numbers because there are just so many people. I find it incredibly unlikely that the USA is anywhere near the rates that UNICEF identifies for other less developed parts of the world, like 4 in 10 for sub-Saharan Africa.

    Digging into the numbers I can find online one study found 167k marriages involving children in the USA between 2000 and 2010. The CDC says the average year in the USA results in 2,140,272 marriages, though I didn't see what years they were using for that number. Anyways the math is pretty easy, 16,700 child marriages a year divided by 2,000,000 marriages a year (rounding down considerably to be on the safe side) gives us 0.835% of marriages in the USA involving a child. I'll grant you that is a higher number than I would have thought, and it certainly warrants our attention as a society. It is, however, considerably less panic inducing than touting the line that child marriage is common place or that the USA is the world leader in child brides.