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Facebook's New Captcha Test: 'Upload A Clear Photo of Your Face' (wired.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Facebook may soon ask you to "upload a photo of yourself that clearly shows your face," to prove you're not a bot. The company is using a new kind of captcha to verify whether a user is a real person. According to a screenshot of the identity test shared on Twitter on Tuesday and verified by Facebook, the prompt says: "Please upload a photo of yourself that clearly shows your face. We'll check it and then permanently delete it from our servers." The process is automated, including identifying suspicious activity and checking the photo. To determine if the account is authentic, Facebook looks at whether the photo is unique.
Why do Facebook, Apple, and others thing public information (like what your face looks like) is more secure than a private key that exists only in your mind?
But Hell No!
Yeah! It's nice to finally put a face to the name eh??
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
There are millions of pictures of faces on the Internet to use for this purpose. Their security are idiots (or the people directing their work are).
I get closer and closer to deleting Facebook permanently every day.
- Vincit qui patitur.
They can't determine if a photo is unique unless they don't really delete the photo from their servers. (They probably keep a "fingerprint" of the photo, which would be the most valuable part for spying on people anyway.)
will embrace this and will upload a zoomed-in picture of their face, post-haste, without any discussion or deliberation, what-so-ever.
America, FUCK YEAH!!
bullshit.. this isn't a fucking bar..
I cry Privacy issues..
if they implement it, I wil absolutely cancel my acct..
I agree to anything any corp says. It's for our own good. They have more $$$$ than I have. Therefore they are smart and should be looked upon as Supreme Beings which they are. After all they are "persons" llegally. Therefore Gods.
Jeez.
Facebook has been caught lying and engaging in dubious behavior dozens of times and the founder says you have no right to privacy (but zealously protects his own privacy).
Wake UP!
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
I'm going to enjoy seeing that thing clash with this one: https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
Reporter: Thus solving the problem once and for all.
Little girl: But...
Reporter: ONCE AND FOR ALL!
They already have it. You friends, family and other people you probably don't actually know have already "uploaded" your face to either facebook or one of a thousand other places they scrape data from.
They are simply going to verify that you are who you say you are, then upon verification permanently link your new account to the "ghost" account which they already have made for you, and then they will delete the pic you upload.
If you believe for a minute that FB or any other giant social platform doesn't already know of you, what you like, who you like, when you do what you do, etc... you are delusional.
CAPTCHA is evaluating your intelligence, if you upload your photo you fail (I mean you can enter glorious facebook).
my dick pics?
They said it was for "suspicious activity". (Of which of course there was none.)
I say it was because I failed to upload content for them to monetize.
Interesting business decision.
Then upload it to facebook and get access to the account? Is that how this works?
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"We're sorry, we could not verify your face. You appear to have sent a photo of your middle finger, in error. "
- ZuckAndCompany
TFA says FB will hash an image and then delete the original. But to implement a similarity metric with previous "hashed" images of the same person, they will need a distance function that works on hashed values of all the photo's features that they capture. Unless they have conquered homomorphic encryption, FB will likely need to reverse the hashed features and then do similarity measures with previous photos, and will also be able to reconstruct "deleted" photos.
Yeah, fine, this is meant to stop bots. Whatever.
What's keeping me from uploading a picture of someone else if I'm asked to? More to the point, how do they know it's a picture of me?
Same applies to bots. Yes, I'm completely and earnestly sincere in my belief that this will wholly stop bots from placing advertisements. At least until the people that run the bot networks find a workaround. You know, just like with other CAPTCHA methods.
I'm certain that Facebook has taken into consideration that people who run bot networks certainly would never use stock photos, online yearbook photos, or hell, pay people in a Third World shithole pennies to get a photo of them.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
Think of all the Amish who consider taking pictures to be a sin!
Can you see my face clearly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOxxPcy5Gr4
I will not comply.
...upload nude photos of yourself (wink wink -- nod nod).
Are you sensing a pattern here yet?
Facebook kept badgering me for years to give them my phone number 'just in case' to which I repeatedly said no. Finally they stopped bugging me about it and all was good for a few weeks. Then I got a new notice that said 'help verify that this is your number and keep your account up to date'. Lo and behold that was indeed my phone number, but I never gave it to them. I don't know where they scraped it from, but they got it. That left me creeped out for a long time and I considered closing my account. In the end I kept it, but I watched what I posted and really dropped my usage. If I get this prompt I'll drop it completely. I'm not a social media junkie, so I'll live. In fact the only reason I'm still on it is for a few interest groups that I'm involved with who moved to FB (terrible decision) and so my family can tell me who died and who had a kid. Both of which I could live without.
https://youtu.be/XOxxPcy5Gr4
Facebook already has too much info, no way am I going to give this kind of info for data mining. Fuck you Facebook.
I'm sick and tired of these companies. They want to know everything, and then they want more. Facial recognition is a cancer... take a look at the last video of E. Snowden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF45xq0W15c) and listen to why those companies need to study our faces. I'll delete my facebook account or use a mask.
And what next do they want from me? A DNA sample maybe?
Clearly a job for the morphing apps.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
The wording on that says "our" servers but says nothing of Amazon's, whose servers we conveniently rent out to run this captcha service.
...I'm looking forward to them deleting my account ...finally.
-Styopa
Since the day they asked me for 'my real name' instead of a pseudonym my friends and family know, even threatening me with blocking my account.
"Fine". I told myself, and proceeded to promptly close my account and never looked back.
Seems like it isn't getting any better of late.
Jeez.
Facebook has been caught lying and engaging in dubious behavior dozens of times and the founder says you have no right to privacy (but zealously protects his own privacy).
Wake UP!
The word "but" here suggests that this is a contradiction but actually, not believing in a right to privacy and working to guard one's privacy are quite compatible. Another example of the same thing: a person can believe that they have no right to a job (that the world does not owe them a living) and, simultaneously, work hard to get a job. In fact, the two thoughts are quite complementary.
The founder says you have no right to privacy AND protects his own privacy with zeal.
You know you've thought about it. You've dreamed about it for some time. It's finally time to stop procrastinating, waddling or doubting yourself.
Break free of the addiction and save yourself. Delete your profile NOW!
How does it identify whether a photo is unique, unless it has knowledge of and therefore memory of existing copies of the photo to compare it to?
If, as they state, it deletes every photo after performing the comparison, surely when it comes across a copy of the same photo again, it won't know to flag it? ...unless, of course, they're not actually deleting the photos.
I hope everyone understands that by default all your photos have location data embedded into them.
Don't be surprised when facebook pops up suggestion to friend other people based on location.
Wait.
You mean FB, the company that vacuums up everyone's personal and private information... is going to require us to GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL private information every time they want you to "prove" you are yourself? They're going to have an entire compilation of your same face, with different lighting angles, different positions/age/makeup/etc.
I'm honestly at a loss for who is more evil at this point. Uber, Google, or Facebook.
I mean, there's already plenty of good quality pics I'd be willing to upload.
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A new photo of me? I'll have to wait a week to get this film developed, and then go to Walgreens to have it scanned so I can put it on a usb stick to bring it home. Right sure.
Bullshit. FaceBook has a proven record of lying.
May soon? It's already happened.
I just made a new account in September for business use, and before I had time to even put any photos or information in, they locked me out of my account and demanded a photo of my face to verify my identity.
How could that possibly work, when I hadn't even uploaded a picture to compare it to? 3 days later they finally unblocked the account, but then proceeded to do it 4 more time, each taking an extra day to unlock.
There also seems to be more going on, since I edited one of the photos to include the text "stop blocking my f*cking account" and Facebook refused to upload the photo. The site would just idle. Choosing another image, resized but without the text and the same filename did work and I didn't refresh the page or anything.
It's sketchy as hell and I put the absolute bare minimum information I could, with only a couple friends added but I'm sure they still know everything about me anyway.
my account has been flagged for suspicious activity 3 times in the past month. I have uploaded the exact same photo twice and my account comes back..
There are a couple important things to note:
Their idea of suspicious activity seems to be pretty much anything that isnt full disclosure from its users
The reactivation takes multiple days and they do not inform you when it is back on.
This will more than likely be found to be slightly nefarious in the future as most things facebook related. (a/b testing anyone?)
It does use a neural network to determine if there is a face there (i uploaded a unique picture of an inanimate object and had my account disabled)
That being said, i created my account so that i could create a business page as you cant create a business page with out a personal page. Facebook will continue to alienate users as long as it continues to take away choice from its products... or is it consumers... no i definitely mean users.
Deep down almost everyone on facebook knows the truth about what the company is and what it is doing. Hopefully we soon come to a tipping point where the costs outweigh the benifits. I do believe that this move will see people leaving facebook and at a time where they have market saturation and limited ability to attract new users it may possibly affect market evaluations.
For a fuck sake faceplant, eat shit and die already. What a fucked up company that its and some of the lemmings with go with that.
I used Howtos face.
- Harry P. Showerdrain
I'll be happy to upload more photos, there are plenty on the wayback machine- www.goatse.cx.
So if you're an identical twin, you're kicked out?
Remember, remember, the 18th of May, not November
The 2012 "You have no privacy" plot
I know of no reason why Zuckerberg's season
Should NOT be killed off and forgot.
That's the IPO date by the way.
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This might be an interesting legal strategy. Facebook could just generate one huge image file (say 100 mb of guassian noise) and then pair that image with each uploaded face image. All they have to do is compute ECC data large enough to restore the face image using their ECC data and the original 100 mb image and store that ECC data rather than the actual image. Presto! Now they're not storing your image, just a "thumbprint," but they can still re-create your face image any time using the data they have.
What exactly is stopping anyone from uploading them photos that were morphed between two existing images? This can easily be automated.
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this is going way too far. next they'll put biosamplers in your phones to check your DNA, and it will cost you $50 per login for a replacement sensor.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Not just because of this.
But because the sheer, unbridled stupidity emanating from the platform is starting to affect people I see as friends.
And I don't want to witness it.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Eventually I'm going to get one of these demands for a photo and two things are going to happen:
1) I'm going to send them a dick pic in response (not my own... preferably something gangrenous)
2) I'm going to stop using Facebook
"we'll delete the picture"
Jesus Christ. Son of Josesph and Mary, holy son of God, etc, I am invoking the name of a sacred figure because at least you guys should know that means jack, shit, and diddly fuckall.
They'll use it to cross-reference the rest of their massive data, validate associate collaborate in ways we can't possibly predict. Cuff Example: Code that makes soft conclusions re: ancestry, marking potential associations by facial data that relate well with genetics.
They're use it to store everything useful about the picture. They have the picture's data.
They'll delete the actual jpg. Whoopdeefuckingdoo. It's a waste of space after being scraped, of COURSE they delete it.
But keep the metadata for future facial recognition of you in other people's photos.
Perhaps the NSA (and others paying for information) need better photos. Facebook has gone way to far for this old paranoid geek.
You can't delete your profile. You can only delete your access to it.
Facebook will keep gathering data on you via other users though.
"We'll check it and then permanently delete it from our servers". Bullshit.
You can scale an image to a fixed size, divide it up into parts, take a histogram of each part (Fourier transform), and shove it into an indexed database (might need to duplicate also do greyscale separately). If another image has most of the parts' histograms within a certain arbitrary percentage, the picture is probable that it is the same (no need to directly compare the original images). That, in the loosest way possible, can be considered a "hash comparison." Of course, I'm pretty sure Facebook has something more advanced than that bit of minor experimentation. Once confirmed not to be the same as a previous image, just do the normal built-in facial recognition. If unable to automatically confirm, send it to queue for an underpaid human to handle.
You just stopped your own future access to your account. FB still has it.
How long until they combine this with their "anti-revenge porn" scheme? Where you'll have to upload a new nude picture every time you log in. They'll be sure to delete them, after the admins have verified the identity of the user ("yup, they got a mole in the right place"), and checked the ownership of the photos.
(FB - this is not a suggestion, btw).
This is the sort of thinking that comes from living too long inside a bubble - with double-thick, clue-proof walls.
yup.
Here is a recent photograph of my naked ass. Please apply lip marks and return it to me for verification.
They already are doing this kind of validation over facebookcorewwwi.onion since a while.
Seriously, what business value is there for a social network that already gets tons of photos uploaded by users daily? This is a profiling scheme, but for whom? Is facebook reselling user locating services to three letter agencies via picture matching?
Thought exercise here:
If an AI escaped the lab but needed a large infrastructure to sustain itself for now, and was habitating inside facebook, it could easily forge requests for resources. How many facebook engineers do real phonecalls rather than messenger or email or slack or something that has digital data that could be manipulated in flight or at the point of truth/storage? Next step, improving human surveillance requires good data on faces. Asking users to upload mugshots provides higher quality samples than random photos with myspace angles. Next step; profit? For whom...
I don't mind FB but face-capcha would be a deal breaker.
They put me through this 'take a picture of yourself' process not long ago since I'm a new Facebook user and since my wife signed onto Facebook from my device after I did. I suppose they figured I was a fake account set up by my wife. Who knows.
So, I took a picture of myself. I took an honest, clear, at the moment, simple picture of me smiling from my desk. I didn't even understand what was going on; I just went along with it. I guess the picture wasn't good enough because they immediately banned me. I had to send them another photo of me, a photo of my driver license, and a photo of my Passport through their appeals system to get re-enabled. The whole process took about three days and they never apologized or explained themselves.
Facebook is required as an identity provider for a particular game I play. It's the only reason I have a Facebook account, and I'm unhappy about it. I guess I like the game well enough to put up with it, so I guess I deserve this.
You buy a gaming console for some child, and they require you to create an email account for it - which is a bad thing on its own. Then, 24h after that account was created, they say it's "temporarily suspended" and demand a private mobile phone number to send you a "verification code". This is just the same crap: Corporations trying to bully you into giving them sensitive private information. (And so the console was returned to the person who brought it as a gift, and ultimately returned for a full refund.)
Will never get back in their account.
*"Cogito Ergo Liberalis"*
I guess you could use a photo of a friend or family member who passed away before 1990 or so, so that their picture isn't on the internet.
You'd have to remember whose picture you used, and have several slightly different pictures of them handy, in case FB required a new picture.
But not before handing a copy to the Feds.
Upload yo face, Grace cause Zuckerjuu wants a virtual blojob from everyone ! Haha you fools what's not clear and why wasn't it clear before ?
Screw facebook. How many 'tards will do it?
Cue the goatse/xkse links please.
Nope nope nopity nope nope.
They're welcome to what they've collected so far.
I'll just make sure that the data ages out eventually.
Kinda like those car insurance calls from when you were price shopping 4 years ago...
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Since I don't have enough Facebook friends, FB limits me to two days of my own news feed. Apparently they aren't making enough money from me, or aren't able to link me to enough people, or both.
There is already a ton of realistic renderers for people's faces. Just use one of them, problem solved.
2018: Facebook determines that the abusive exploitation of stored facial photographs has led to a resurgence of bots on the network. Logging into your account will now require a live video stream of your choice of body parts. Don’t worry, it’ll be deleted right away.
That's why you repeatedly abuse them, spam your account with hardcore porn, sign up again, spam again, and every time they ban you, email them to say "Delete my account or the spam continues" until they do as they're fucking told. Remember; the only way to get a corporation to do anything is to make them dread dealing with you. Abuse them, shout at them, make every thing difficult, and make sure you leave them in tears every single time.
Trust, and you will be trusted; said the liar to the fool. Let's look at this another way. Identify yourself so that we, the faceless we, can know you are not a robot, or better yet, a living entity. The Supreme Court declared corporations are entities. Yet they have no "face". How does one reconcile the discrepancy? 1984 is a warning, not a blueprint. There are way too many faceless entities out there such as the CIA, NSA, FBI, and a host of others, the Cosa Nostra, Mossad, ISIS, the Federal Reserve, the Black Nobility of Europe, the illuminati; yes, there are figureheads, however the rank and file members remain in the shadows. Also what stops the faceless from using a false face, like your photo image? I cannot imagine where a photo could be acquired. Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter, any television or closed circuit feed. Smartphones, cameras, official identity pictures. Do you get the "picture"?
The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
Well, there is only one character difference between FB and FBI, isnt it
Remember when the pedophiles and peeping toms at airport security said that the images from their full body scanners were "deleted from the screen"? This is the EXACT SAME BULLSHIT, it's deleted from the server? What about the backups? Locally? Printed off? USB sticks? They're dirty lying bastards who are keeping those images for their own purposes.
Delete facebook, brick in their windows, and do not associate with people who use it.
My GF has an unusual name. They banned her unless she sends them a copy of her passport (Which in my country is highly illegal! Like copying money!), of her bank statements or some invoices.
Out of solidarity, I made FB send me an archive of ALL the data they had on me, which they are legally forced to offer in the EU, and then renamed myself to "Faycbuk Cankiss-Myass". They banned me too and demanded the same bullshit.
We laughed, and never looked back.
Frankly, it measurably improved our lives. And besides, it’s not like there isn’t enough other crap to “social media” over, if we wanted.
Seriously?
How much does it take, for you to finally say NO?!?
I'm reminded of that Fight Club scene, where they went and tried to start fights with people, but failed because people were such losers. ... CUTTLEFISH AND ASPARAGUS!
Or rather, I'm reminded of
Give FB my photo? Not a chance! They already track my every move. They probably already have my photo. I have deleted my account on FB before, and wonder of wonders, All my old 'deleted' data mysteriously reappeared.
Facebook is a bunch of lying liars who lie with their every corporate breath.
PlaynBass
Facebook has no photos of me, and never will. I'm in no one else's photos either. Hell will freeze over before I hand a picture of myself over to Facebook to use for facial recognition. If they demand this, I will drop the account. Period. I doubt I'll be alone.
Take four red capsules. In 10 minutes take two more. Help is on the way.