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Bacteria Found On ISS May Be Alien In Origin, Says Cosmonaut (independent.co.uk)
Kekke writes: Lots of buzz around this. Russian cosmonaut Anton Shkaplerov took routine samples from the outside of the International Space Station during a spacewalk. These samples were analyzed and found to contain bacteria that must have come from somewhere other than Earth or the ISS itself. "Bacteria that had not been there during the launch of the ISS module were found on the swabs," Mr. Shkaplerov told TASS Russian News Agency. "So they have flown from somewhere in space and settled on the outside hull." He made it clear that "it seems, there is no danger," and that scientists are doing more work to find out what they are. The Independent writes, "Finding bacteria that came from somewhere other than Earth would be one of the biggest breakthroughs in the history of science -- but much more must be done before such a claim is made."
Let's get this over with already.
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Just because it wasn't there during the launch it doesn't mean it didn't come from Earth.
Perhaps it's just radically mutated Earth bacteria. Really, how would alien bacteria get on the outside of the ISS? Which is more likely?
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After all this time, the extraterrestrial life that we found ended up being a proverbial bug on the windshield of the ISS?
THIS is exactly the plot of "life unknown origin" the movie...
They have miniature DNA sequencer on board, they can find out if it matches at all with any sequenced earthly strain. (I have one also, it is a MinION by Oxford nanowire technologies. Although not perfect it should be capable of sequencing this).
If it truly of extraterrestrial origin it should be immediately obvious as it is would have diverged very far from the âoeTree of Lifeâ (thatâ(TM)s assuming there are any similarities at all).
It, would also be incredibly valuable and not just from a scientific standpoint. Just a single completely novel protein has caused multi-billion dollar biotech revolutions. Here would be an organism with potentially thousands.
The claims of alien bacteria on the ISS are being met with widespread skepticism.
While in space most likely. The fact that we're even able to classify it bacteria rather than a foreign micro organism is telling.
I don't read AC
It would be cool if these were alien, but I'm willing to bet that these are just terrestrial bacteria.
What'd I tell you? I said aliens coming. I tole you and you didn't listen.
They're our space brothers coming to protect the President from all the haters and libs. Oh, it's happening, now. Bet on it. Check fucking mate.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The ISS orbit is so low it is within the upper reaches of our atmosphere. That is why it has to be given regular boosts to keep it in orbit. Though super thin, it does encounter enough atmosphere to induce drag.
Just as we have found unusual organisms in the deepest oceans and even miles down in rock, we should expect to find bacteria at the limits of our atmosphere and even beyond. It should also be expected that they have evolved dramatically, as organisms living off of heat and sulfur deep in our oceans have done.
There are some out of this world organisms right here at home. I'm not even sure how you could prove extraterrestrial origin. Almost anything you find could just be evidence of a previously undiscovered unique ecosystem 100+ miles up.
It's sort of neat to imagine the possibility of some life form surfing around on the auroras in the thermosphere.
ISS har for 20 years been orbiting - a close distance - around a planet with gazillions bacteria an microbes, and been visited by more than a hundred people, and it was lanuched through the atmosphere containing lots of microscopic life, and as soon as bacteria is found on the outside, it is considered likely to be of alien origin?
Gimme a break!
I would be very surprised if we could keep it completely clean from earthly contaimination, even if we are talking about the outside.
They will also learn that the Cigarette Smoking Man does, in fact, smoke on the ISS.
What does "not there at launch" mean? The ISS has had multiple modules installed over the course of many years, almost 20 at this point. And bacteria is notoriously hard to kill. Martian probes undergo a thorough sterilization before launch just to avoid contamination of mars by earth bacteria, and between scrubbing and radiation and vacuum and etc. Nasa still isn't sure they've killed all of it. And yes bacteria can survive in space.
All of this makes it seem fantastically likely that, hey it's just earth bacteria. Stuff can grow almost anywhere.
Pooped out by the cosmic space owl. Obviously.
This 'bacteria' will be analysed and found to be a mixture of borscht and jizz.
I was under the impression that lots of service craft come into contact on a regular basis. It's not hard to imagine organic material taking a ride on most of those. So it's just a question of how easy the contaminant transfer becomes.
I heard about this. Doesn't end well for the ISS crew.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
...Here comes the Andromeda Strain!
This is the End of the world. It was spread by the alien ship known as Oumuamua or A2017U1. Humanity soon destoryed.
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Is it so much of a stretch to assume that these same high-flying bacteria are the ones caked on the ISS?
If you gave me a choice between a printer and a giraffe with explosive diarrhoea, i'll get my ladder and my raincoat
So, he said that the bacteria could have come into space from the planet around which the space station orbits, or it could have come to the space station from an extraterrestrial origin. It sure sounds more exciting not to report the first part of what he said. It's like me saying that the CDMA providing my internet could have come from the local tower which I can't see, or it could be hijacked as part of a technologically perfect mitm attack done by a hovering extraterrestrial broadcaster that I also can't see. So, slashdot commenter reports "Space aliens could be hijacking my internet." Another example would be Publisher's Clearinghouse writing "You may already have won!"
Edgar Mitchell saw seven-foot alien monsters walking on the moon. Or something like that.
Pitiful Russians. USA wins!
It's called Panspermia, if it really is non-terrestrial, but odds are very high that it's terrestrial.
Despite sterilization we have found bacterial colonies many times on our space hardware, and they've always been from Earth.
Not only does it only take a single bacteria to survive and reach that location, as the article mentioned, there are things that can loft microorganisms to insane altitudes. I have doubts they can go as high as the space station, but there are rockets they can hitch a ride on, and again, it only takes one to start a colony.
Don't forget that "just because it wasn't there before" only means that it was undetected for some reason, maybe because it was too small.
And also, even if they don't have a match to a known terrestrial DNA sequence, still doesn't mean it's alien. It could just be that their database isn't complete. Actually we know the database of microbial DNA is not complete, so that's a given.
Now if it doesn't match anything from Earth, and it's not close enough to be related to any known microbe, and an analysis of it's DNA doesn't show any real matches of any terrestrial DNA sequences at all, then it might be alien. (There are lots of shared sequences among all life on Earth, since they all share common ancestors, it's just some are more closely related than others.)
If it's DNA uses something other than AGCT or AGCU, then it's almost guaranteed it's non-terrestrial/alien.
What woudl be more interesting to me is are they growing on the outside off the ISS. If so that is really the interesting thing as that makes them probably an extrmofile (SP).
...but it's aliens.
Well, the ISS is orbiting at 300 km over a planet known to harbor life, and at 4 L.Y of the closest star system. Guess were the bacteria could come from ?
originated on Kim Kardashian and has been trying to escape the paparazzi and the planet and then slashdot snapped a photo..
Matt Lauer is said to have installed a secret button on the ISS to keep the bacteria from escaping the air lock..
A few years ago there was a woman in Germany that seemed to have been involved in all kinds of spectacular crimes, mostly murder. Her DNA was found on various crime scenes that seemed totally unrelated, She must have been the most wanted criminal for a while and was called the "Phantom". There was a $400,000 reward put on her head
Of course it turned out in a slightly different way than police had expected. The DNA that was found was actually from a female factory worker packaging the cotton swabs that were used by German police to collect DNA, so these DNA traces were simply a contamination. Here is the whole story: http://content.time.com/time/w...
You can expect something similar from the bacteria on the ISS. Everybody of course wants some spectacular news, but unfortunately there are far more mundane ways how the bacteria could have ended up there.
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Because bacteria can travel through interstellar space and hit a space station orbiting Earth, but bacteria can't travel a few thousand feet from Earth to a space station.
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Agreed. Imagine you have an 8 inch volleyball, drenched with syrup. A quarter of an inch away, almost touching the syrup-coated volleyball, there is a coin and you find microscopic traces of syrup on the coin. How do you guess the trace of a syrup got on the coin?
Most likely, it came from the big ball of syrup right next to the coin. Or maybe somehow syrup came in from outside and got on the coin, without ever making it 1/4 inch further to get in the volleyball. Which seems most plausible?
That's the scale we're talking about with ISS. Earth is 8,000 miles diameter, 25,000 miles circumference. The atmosphere extends to 6,200 miles up (exosphere). ISS is below the exosphere, in the thermosphere. ISS is only 250 from the surface - nearly touching the ground.
As someone else hinted, IIS is also travelling 18,000 miles per hour. At that altitude, there are roughly 4,000,000,000 air molecules per cubic meter*. Meaning ISS is colliding with billions of air molecules per second. It would be surprising if they didn't get a bug on the windshield.
* Yeah I used imperial and metric in the same post. Get over it.
If it's DNA uses something other than AGCT or AGCU, then it's almost guaranteed it's non-terrestrial/alien.
Or if doesn't use DNA, or if the *entire* genome is different to anything we've ever seen before, etc.
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I want to ask about a more benign possibility - could a known strain of bacteria have mutated over the years into a new "species" / kind?
So much mutation that it appears different enough to be called new?
The next time a long-range sample return mission like the recently launched OSIRIS-REx is sent up, it could include a surface collection system to trap dust it encounters enroute. If panspermia is hiding in this stuff, revealing it in dust collected far from Earth's atmosphere would be much better proof, especially if the findings correlate with analysis of the returned sample itself. OSIRIS-REx will sample the surface of an asteroid, so whatever it finds will have been sitting out there for eons. That ship has sailed, but there will be other sample return probes.
It would not be that difficult for a private party to send up a special-purpose Earth-orbital mission to spend a year or two well outside the atmosphere exposing a collection surface, then return. OR...trap and return an old, dead geosynchronous satellite.
Not too bright, are you?
Hard to believe any bacteria could survive the collision velocities involved with an orbiting object, whether they floated in from space or up from the atmosphere. They were there when it launched.
The bacteria is not alien, it comes from north Korean missile launches.
Now you may argue that there is little difference between alien and north Korean, but north Korea is still on Earth.
I for one, welcome out new bacterial overlords.
I'm not saying it's aliens, but...
>That ship has sailed, but there will be other sample return probes.
Isn't it kind of awesome to live in an era where you can say that, with confidence, we're going to bring back more stuff from space to have a look at it?
I still want my O'Neill cylinder and Orion drive, though.
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The sort of mutation that you might expect to find in an environment with tons of radiation flying around?
"It didn't come from Earth, it came from Uranus..."
I for one hail our new bacteria overlords
Existing terrestrial bacteria lifted by thunderstorm sprites and mutated by radiation.
Much more likely than 'Alien origin'
Bacteria that had not been there during the launch of the ISS module were found on the swabs,
Umm, how would they possibly know that the bacteria was not there? It's not as if they have some means of sterilizing on the launch pad and It's not hard to show how a previously unknown bacteria could have been missed. Not to mention that there is such a thing as mutations, particularly in a high radiation environment.
So they have flown from somewhere in space and settled on the outside hull.
Unless they have some means to conclusively rule out all sources of terrestrial contamination (and they do not) then this is the same sort of idiotic thinking that makes people think a UFO = alien visitors when they are forgetting what the U in UFO stands for.
It takes awhile to build a bacteria.
Why do you have doubts they can go as high as the space station? The ISS isn't that high, only 250 miles, that's actually within the atmosphere of Earth. There is actually air at that altitude (not much but it's there).
Hehe, Panspermia. Reminds me of this college party gotten out of hand...
Ripley, we've lost contact with the colony on the ISS.
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Bacteria are disturbingly persistent, you can clean a spacecraft with the most dangerous chemicals imaginable and some of the little buggers will still hitch a ride so it's much more likely that the bacteria are from Earth. That said it should still have some tests run on it, at a minimum it might give some insights on the way bacteria survive when exposed to space over protracted periods of time.
Seriously... Not one reference? Come on people!
"There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans, that they may have been the architects of the Great Pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis.
Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive - somewhere beyond the heavens!"
Ripley here! Space is fake. The Earth is flat. The eclipses prove it.
Solar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/230976895
Light of the corona can be observed on the back of the moon. Light of the chromosphere can be observed on the back of the moon. Light of protuberences can be observed on the back of the moon. Sun and Moon same size and near. Wiki: Allais Effect
Lunar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/92378881
Shadow is black, then changes color to reddish: Shadows don't change color. Moon glow of uneclipsed portion increases as shadow becomes reddish, detail lost.
Pretty please don't bring a sample home.
I don't see why people are jumping to conclusions.
Do their sterilize the interior of the airlock and exterior of the space suits before leaving the airlock?
Obviously, the airlock is full of bacteria.
Obviously, the exteriors of the space suits are covered in bacteria.
Any time a glove touches the exterior of the ISS, bacteria is deposited.
Yes, there wasn't any there on launch, it was put there afterwards, by the humans in orbit.
Considering they send their crap into orbit to burn up, is there any surprise that there may be some residual crap floating around out there? Yeah, they bag it up and put it in a can, but what happens when the can catches fire and starts to disintegrate? If it's raining crap, some crap is bound to "stick" around the upper atmosphere.
Bacteria have something like 100,000 to 10,000,000 base pairs. Even if a few pairs mutated every day, that's still only 1000 mutated pairs in a year. It would take decades at that ridiculous rate to evolve a bacterium that's not recognizably derived from its ancestor on Earth.
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Half baked movies about 300 lb. cockroaches from space taking over Earth can make a decent low budget horror movie. But bacteria from space taking us out just isn't worthy of being in a low budget flick.
My money is on it's just an earth bacteria that's undergone some mutations while in space.
Would definitely be exciting if it's really not from earth. Would definitely have to study it extensively.
Maybe today, but how long will that last?
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* Yeah I used imperial and metric in the same post. Get over it.
Thank you.
I, for one, welcome our new bacterial overlords.
I seem to remember something about a pee-sicle happening in the past up there.
Which implies that human waste is ejected from the ISS into space.
I know that when I pee out of my moving car, it gets all over the car!
I never checked the bacteria there, yet there does sometimes seem some strange crap on my car that is NOT from my pee!
Yet, on a serious note, whether from earth-based human activity or not, it does seem that life from elsewhere in the universe should not be a surprise.
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
...from this bacteria, but rather you will catch a cyan, named so because the snot you produce will be the color cyan.
See subject "CLASSY" (not) "honest" (not) behind a fake name amicusNYCL? It's impolite to talk w/ your mouth full as you EAT YOUR WORDS (lol) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/
amicusNYCL you're honest behind a fake name online? You're classy tossing names illogically? See subject & https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ Thanks for constantly EATING YOUR WORDS so we can laugh at you!
See subject - "in his ability & w/ that kind of ability you should have that confidence" Mark Clayton Miami Dolphins speaking about my fellow "polack" (which IS how it's pronounced in polish albeit I'd say being fluent in it dropping the 'c') Dan Marino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gclzxyhi_DE/ position 23.46 in the video (one of my role models in life)
Per your 'FoAmInG-@-tHe-MoUtH" reply (when I do case switches it mean 'flipping the script' lol)?
These are not fantasy (to you, for you/about you/yes, lmao) but... not for me - For me they are, concrete verifiable undeniable REALITY https://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11432635&cid=55668071/
You wish you were me.
APK
P.S.=> They're our peers speaking for me vs. your rant & you're clearly outnumbered & have "StRaNgE" delusions... apk
See subject: to write good code others like & use + w/ that ability comes confidence a "ne'er-do-well" like you can't shake (especially in you projecting all of YOUR FAULTS onto me from behind your FAKE NAME online, lol)...
* Period.
APK
P.S.=> It's always a pleasure to make you EAT YOUR WORDS https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ & doing so is just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'"/b.
See subject: PROVE everything you say about yourself (I prove what I say easily) - come on FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIES about your 'life' boy!
* Like I say in my subject-line above, THIS ought to be good for a HUGE laugh!
APK
P.S.=> RoTfLmAo... apk
Keep projecting your own faults onto me & not backing up your bs + you EAT YOUR WORDS https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ vs. me constantly & PROVABLY!
* Hahahahahaha!
(Thanks for HELPING ME easily PROVE you're ALL "hotair blowhard bs" since you can't PROVE anything you say about yourself (or me which whatever YOU spew there I easily prove a lie from you, lol)).
APK
P.S.=> Keep being so "classy" tossing those names like the off-topic ILLOGICAL adhominem attack using troll you are from behind a FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIE of a "so-called 'life'" you CAN'T BACKUP with proof (but I always do for what I say)... apk
Prove what u say about yourself! I do vs. your crap directed my way & you EAT YOUR WORDS https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ every SINGLE time!
* Your name-tossing illogical adhominem attacks aren't effective, but FACTS are (you don't have ANY in your defense though & you KNOW it, lol).
APK
P.S.=> You're deluded IF you think you "won" this, lol https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ where you had to EAT YOUR WORDS - & not backing up your blowhard bs about yourself? Please, lmao! By the way - again - there are NO fantasy, they're concrete reliable verifiable reality https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11351783&cid=55546175/ from our /. peers no less (that YOU don't have either, lol)... apk
Thanks for HELPING ME easily PROVE you're ALL "hotair blowhard bs"
You don't understand what proof means. Lack of proof is not proof of a lack. There's really no reason to try to teach logical fallacies to you though, you wouldn't understand. My consistent response to your demands for proof, and your continued demands, show that you are incapable of understanding basic logic.
Keep being so "classy" tossing those names
OK. APK, you're a pathetic emotionally-retarded socially-inept no-class willfully-ignorant integrity-lacking lying spamming racist cunt. And, I want you to know something else. I really mean that. From the heart, big guy.
Enjoy your fantasy day, I have shit to do.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
See subject & "rinse, lather + repeat" & backup your bs about yourself blowhard https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11420419&cid=55689963/
* Yes, you have "shit to do" (meaning you don't do shit - & you ARE welcome to prove me wrong, not w/ your hotair, but facts, lol, but you can't ALL due to your sheer lack of facts backing up your hotair).
APK
P.S.=> ... & you do have to "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" w/ YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS as you EAT YOUR WORDS vs. me here too (lol) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ - you're DYING of MALNUTRITION amicusNYCL (but then, cartoon character FAKE NAMES for obviously FAKE LIVES (see above, lol) don't have to eat & YET YOU DO hahahaha (eating your words)) - EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD nutrition BOY, RoTfLmAo @ U... apk
1st - Don't talk w/ your mouth full as you EAT YOUR WORDS https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ & stfu (have some class, talking w/ your MOUTH FULL of your words you must eat is IMPOLITE!)
Additionally - see subject: Between your illogic-logic & "forums logic" bs You're pitiful blowhard!
You not only lack class (which YOU accuse ME of no less - hilarious) but you LACK EVIDENCE to backup you even ARE a developer too (& more, see my ps below) much less ANYONE saying you're any good @ it (only you do, blowhard, lol).
* Truer words were NEVER SPOKEN on /. - & you don't like truth about yourself (look @ your "FoAmInG @ Teh MoUtH" rants raving spittle flying profanities!).
Classic & priceless in projection on your part too - everything you say I am 'guilty' of, you actually are!
You must be some SPOILED little 'wally' (lol) that thinks he will "get his way" if he tosses a tantrum - not w/ me you don't boy! GROW UP!
Tell us about your 'great life' all you WANT - but minus proof of your words? It's all BLOWHARD "hot air" (& you know it).
Man - "your kind" using FAKE NAMES for your FAKE LIVES can't dominate me (but I do you, easily, as I backup what I say w/ verifiable evidence & even our /. peers backing me liking + using my wares (not yours that DON'T EXIST))
APK
P.S.=> Lastly - Tell you what: Meet me here face to face & do that. We'll see who the cunt is. You're the rich man right? Buy a plane ticket here so I can put you away for real big talker... apk
See subject & this vs. YOUR 'fantasy' (of you being a coder - prove it - lol, you can't but I can easily) https://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11432635&cid=55668071/ & a nation imitated me too https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11448355&cid=55691209/ NOT YOU (you w/ nothing to show for yourself in proof of your blowhard HOT AIR bs, lol).
See subject line above & a 2 QUESTIONS (answer them or will you EVADE them as always?):
1.) ANYONE HERE LIKE & USE YOUR WARE amicusNYCL?
2.) Does the likes of Malwarebytes both HOST & RECOMMEND IT as they do mine??
(No to both!)
* Instead of calling me names HAVE SOME CLASS & be polite - It's IMPOLITE to TALK w/ your mouth full as you EAT YOUR WORDS (& you did BIGTIME vs. me, RoTfLmAo, 3x) here https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ lol!
FACTS are facts (that put you away easily) & you don't have ANY facts in YOUR favor - period.
APK
P.S.=> "Cracking your 'code'" (or again, A LACK OF PROOF OF IT on your part, lmao) = easy: The MORE "forums ILLOGIC-logic" adhominem attacks you throw my way PROVES you're getting a "wee bit hot" (lol) & angry over my EASILY dominating you as always with facts I can easily put out & you can't put any out vs. myself, lol... apk
Yet you can't prove anything you say at all - I will give you 1 thing - your code has NO BUGS (no lines that do anything either, lol).
* It's like that with "vaporware", hahahaha (for you, not me) & based on your lack of evidence to backup your blowhard bs what else can anyone determine here otherwise? THINK ABOUT IT! Talk's cheap man... it boils down to THAT.
It's NO LIE that YOU had to EAT YOUR WORDS 3x either (anyone's free to read that & judge for themselves here) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/
(Keep calling me names but I have you over a barrel - see subject line of mine above - & that's that + you KNOW it (hence your profanities constantly)).
APK
P.S.=> You also seem to think I've never built BIG systems of Enterprise Class - wrong: I did 40 of them circa 1994-2008 by the time I retired (spanning @ least 750,000 lines of code up to 1.4 million as the range of code in them clientside alone that run entire Fortune 100-500 or smaller companies lifeblood) - how to demonstrate that though? Only way is resumes (but it's part of why I did things on the side - to be able to demonstrate it easily whereas you by way of comparison, clearly cannot)... apk
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"I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good" - by BronsCon on Thursday February 11, 2016
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant on Monday August 10, 2015
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg on Friday September 25, 2015
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock on Wednesday September 09, 2015 (#50489401)
"I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home" by OrangeTide on Friday December 01, 2017
"I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK. Ever heard of him?" by 110010001000 on Friday October 27, 2017
APK
P.S.=> Prove you even code...apk
See subject: Obviously you're correct what I touch in YOU is shit & yes you are stupid! You can't admit quotes of /. peer users liking & using my ware is MORE than a liar like you has!
You have no evidence of anything you say "phantasyland" boy - & it proves you're stupid, obsessed trying to get the last word (when you have nothing backing your HOT BLOWHARD BS AIR, lol), & a liar - you are SUCH a projectionist, it's not funny!
* Please, lmao - KEEP "ReAcTiNg" but NEVER BACKING YOURSELF UP with solid undeniable concrete verifiable proof I actually have & you don't!
APK
P.S.=> I really "got under your skin" didn't I you little stooge - that's the BEST PART OF ALL when you always start w/ me only to fall flat on your face EATING YOUR WORDS (undeniably & this is what 'gets your goat' the most - your own self-defeat) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11415277&cid=55646849/ , Hahahahaha!)... apk