Microsoft's Edge Browser Now Generally Available For iOS, Android (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Microsoft announced in October previews of new Edge browser apps for iOS and Android. On November 30, Microsoft officials are announcing that these apps are no longer in preview and are generally available for users in select markets. By making Edge apps available on non-Windows operating systems, Microsoft is hoping to do more than give Windows 10 users who use Edge a more convenient way to sync their bookmarks, tabs, etc., across devices. Microsoft also is doing this to improve its "Continue on PC" feature that it's been touting for Windows 10. With "Continue on PC," users will be able to share a web site, app, photo, and other information from their phones to their Windows 10 PCs in a faster and more seamless way. Microsoft is looking to Continue on PC to help keep Windows PCs relevant in a world where more and more computing is done on mobile devices.

Comments

Fuck off M$!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

I could also smear turds all over my phone. No thanks, Micro$hit.

Re:Fuck off M$!!!

[mark-t]

You can do that now anyways, with Unicode: U+1F4A9

Why would we want it?

[b0s0z0ku]

I mean, leprosy is available in the US for un-infected people, but it's not as if there's a big line to be infected.

Re:Why would we want it?

[mark-t]

> What are the problems with Edge, exactly other than issues that one might have with the maker of it?

Not that I'm suggesting that's not a good enough reason for someone who is negatively predisposed towards Microsoft to be opposed to its use, but I'm wondering if there are actual qualitatively measurable factors involved, or if this perspective only arises on account of a subjective bias against the company

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Thank god that features no one asked for and are probably broken out of the box anyway have finally arrived.

Re: Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hate to break it to you but Edge on Android is essentially a skin of Chrome with a Microsoft interface.

I personally have no problems with Firefox and with extensions (uBlock) primarily has been my default browser.

Re: Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry that your experience with Firefox for Android wasn't stellar but I find it works very well. Are you comparing these browsers on the same phone or what? Are you running the latest Firefox for Android? Years ago it was a slow piece of shit but it's quite responsive now.

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

I mean, leprosy is available in the US for un-infected people, but it's not as if there's a big line to be infected.

Yeah, no kidding ... Microsoft has been demonstrating incompetence and security holes in web browsers as long as they've had one.

IE has had so many security holes as to be laughable. Microsoft has always claimed the browser can't be removed because it's tied into the operating system.

So, I'm suddenly meant to believe MS has written a secure, cross-platform browser? I can't even fathom why I'd believe that bullshit ... MS has almost no experience in actually writing anything which is secure or cross-platform ... why would I suddenly think they've accomplished both with their Edge browser?

Sorry, but I expect this to be a steaming turd, and give it a few months tops before someone has a security exploit involving this.

I'm pretty sure the number of people saying "wow, what my iOS/Android experience needs is some fucking Microsoft crap". And anybody who does want that is still sucking their thumb over the demise of the Windows phone.

Re:Why would we want it?

[DickBreath]

Why would you want it? Because it will send all of your personal information to Microsoft instead of to Google. Isn't that reason enough to rush right out and install this?

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Not that I'm suggesting that's not a good enough reason for someone who is negatively predisposed towards Microsoft to be opposed to its use,

Non-sequitur. The point of being opposed to internet connected X because Microsoft made it has mostly to do with Microsoft having a terrible track record of making secure designs, let alone secure implementations, and then often languishing efforts on fixes. All of that is a security nightmare.

but I'm wondering if there are actual qualitatively measurable factors involved, or if this perspective only arises on account of a subjective bias against the company

How about I already use one web browser and it's "good enough"? The question isn't really whether Edge is worse. It's either how Firefox or Chrome is worse or how Edge is so much better. MS has pushed the notion Edge is better on battery life, which quickly resulted in Chrome being updated to fix most the shortfall--so, points to MS for indirectly improving Chrome. That's it, right? It's the same reason it's hard to win converts to Linux or Mac OS. Oh, that and possible incompatibility with extensions/programs.

PS - I was going to make a joke about leprosy--how people would choose leprosy over Edge because at least leprosy is treatable--but that's really overdoing it.

Re:Why would we want it?

[rjune]

A few months before someone has an exploit? You are very optimistic. How about weeks or days?

Re:Why would we want it?

[Desler]

having a terrible track record of making secure designs, let alone secure implementations, and then often languishing efforts on fixes. All of that is a security nightmare.

So it’s right at home on 99% of Android phones then?

Re:Why would we want it?

[mark-t]

So I explicitly ask for the issue of how untrustworthy Microsoft might be perceived to be to the issue of not wanting to use Edge and all you give are reasons that are based only on the company and its history, not Edge itself.

You even go so far as to suggest that my remarks about having such predisposition are probably good enough to have such a bias should be discounted as non-sequitur while showing that to be exactly the reason that you are so inclined.

If you use one web browser and it's good enough, that's fine... but the question posed was "why would we want it?" The point of my question was to ascertain if there was anything actually technically inferior about Edge itself (not Microsoft or its history) that would suggest it actually should be avoided, and your comments do not do that.

Re:Why would we want it?

[interkin3tic]

Competition!

"Hey Firefox and Chrome, maybe get better and stop using up all my damn memory or I'm going to start using Microsoft again! Stop laughing, I'm serious! It's already on my computer, it would be so easy! ... Okay, I'm not serious..."

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hello, not the original poster, but I am a web developer.

MS made it a core mission to break web standards being set up. This resulted in me and others having to write all sorts of silly work around code just for when someone would visit the site with IE. It was a nightmare, MS owes me serveral thousand dollars of man hours spent because of their shennanigans.

Microsoft will not be forgiven anytime soon for that shit. It was rough on all of us and it caused cracks and breaks in what was becoming the first interconnected data sharing service for all of our species. They tried to butt-fuq a glorious acheivement of all mankind, you don't forgive and forget that sort of thing overnight.

I don't think they've changed their stripes to be honest, after awhile, I just stopped bothering to code for their browsers which didn't interpret standard code properly. I do not believe I am alone, and it is probably one of the reasons IE gave such a bad experience is folks like me who just stopped writing MS spaghetti and stuck to standard knowing it wouldn't run on IE, thus anyone using IE would notice that if they used any other browser everything would function beautifully. This caused IE usage to drop like a stone to the point where it was generally just used once to download a better browser and then forgotten.

Now they think with a new name and some updates that everything is simply kosher again and we can all hold hands and sing kumbaya together, HAH, that isn't going to happen, they damaged us, we damaged them, and now they are viewed as 'the enemy' and that stink of screwing with us web devs is probably never going to go away.

Re:Why would we want it?

[mark-t]

Your comment addresses Microsoft, IE, and MS's past behavior.... but does not even *attempt* to address any inadequacies that one might find with Edge. It's fair to avoid someone or something if they've been untrustworthy in the past, but that was not the point of my question. I was asking what's wrong with Edge, specifically, that makes it objectively inferior to alternatives... and nobody who has responded to me, including yourself, has done that... everyone is too busy spending their comment ranting or railing on MS. However deserved those remarks might be perceived to be, they do not address the question I asked, and I honestly don't know why people keep ignoring it.

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Fine, if you really want to ignore all the reasons why Microsoft's history might give people pause to avoid Edge, how about the simple negative: Edge isn't for Linux. Ergo, I can't run it without going through hoops. It's also not available on Windows XP, Vista, 7, or 8/8.1. Is that good enough reason to "avoid" it?

PS - You really do seem to be seeking a selection bias. But perhaps it was a genuine question because the G*P's joke was seen as rather harsh?

Re:Why would we want it?

[mark-t]

Yes, actually... that is actually a very good reason to avoid it on those platforms. Although unless one is using those platforms, I am skeptical that is the reason they would want to avoid it.

There very well could be other technical reasons that Edge is inferior to other browsers, but I find it interesting that many people are too focused on hating on Microsoft to even pay attention to even try and figure out what those reasons might be. My objection is against the lack of objectivity that such comments have, not that I think that people are necessarily wrong to want to avoid Edge if they don't trust Microsoft in the first place.

Re:Why would we want it?

[JohnFen]

I have no idea, since I've never used it. It also doesn't matter. It could be the most fantastic browser in the history of browsers, but the fact that it comes from Microsoft means that it can't be trusted.

Re: Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not markedly inferior on ios because it uses webkit. It's not markedly inferior on android because it uses the same engine as chrome. On PC, it's not as feature rich or, on balance, stable as chrome. Chrome is tough competition if you're making a browser!

Re: Why would we want it?

[mark-t]

Now really.... was that so hard?

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

I am skeptical that is the reason they would want to avoid it.

As a long-time Linux user, that's 99.9999% of the reason I avoid using it. I literally have to boot up another machine or a VM to use it. Or I guess I could try with WINE, but I don't see the point given I have a perfectly functional web browser.

There very well could be other technical reasons that Edge is inferior to other browsers, but I find it interesting that many people are too focused on hating on Microsoft to even pay attention to even try and figure out what those reasons might be.

Again, it's not even that it has to be inferior. It has to be superior or Chrome/Firefox/Opera/whatever you currently use has to be sufficiently inferior that you want to make the move. Of course, MS trying to push Edge during the install falls into the same realm as any other program install trying to push a product. It convinces me the maker is either (1) desperate, (2) realizes their product is inferior, or (3) directly or indirectly makes more money off it. Obviously, that's more a gut feeling than an actual fact.

My objection is against the lack of objectivity that such comments have, not that I think that people are necessarily wrong to want to avoid Edge if they don't trust Microsoft in the first place.

Until I develop a time machine to see the future of Chrome, Edge, etc, I'm going to have to make subjective evaluations on the past history of the product line or similar product lines from the same maker. There's no way to be really argue, btw, that any of the browser is "better" because that's inherently subjective. It's hard to qualify security issues except that generally web browsers suck when it comes to security. So, the rest are things like "lightness" or "ease of use". The former of which is mostly moot because web sites with javascript are monsters today (check out Flickr, for example) and "ease of use" is mostly about the web pages themselves.

Now, if MS pushed hard for better javascript management to disable javascript a lot more and pushed even better ad blocking in Edge... But that's more about what-if positives or horrible negatives. That's the thing that motivates people to move. It's why people used Internet Explorer 6.x for such a long time--and the migration away when even governments started recommending everyone stop using it.

In any case, I took the original post as more of a general childish joke. You see the same stuff about Firefox and Chrome--less so on the last, nowdays. I also took your comment to objecting to what could be paraphrased as "mindless hate". Yet not every comment needs a well-thought out essay about the pros and cons (or to restrict it to just pros or just cons). Hell, most comments are merely one-off comments built off a lot of thought overall but very little about the specific subject matter. If you object to that, then, well, unless they're being posted as "Insightful" instead of "Funny", I don't see the need for angst.

PS - Thinking about it a little more, another negative on Edge is it's not open source. So, (again talking Microsoft history) if the vendor should drop support, we won't be able to do much with security or feature improvement. Hell, it's precisely because of open source that we have Chrome.

Re: Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's better after the quantum update that just rolled out. I do still have some crashes on mobile though, so they will have crash reports to go through

Re: Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Btw, you do realize that was another Anonymous Coward, right? But, yea, going with the theme. That'll be a great MS Edge marketing campaign:

"MS Edge for Android and iOS. Now not markedly inferior*.

*Only applies to Android and iOS versions. Offer void in Utah."

Re:Why would we want it?

[mark-t]

I am skeptical that is the reason they would want to avoid it.

As a long-time Linux user, that's 99.9999% of the reason I avoid using it.

Perhaps you missed the preface immediately before the text that you quoted:

Unless one is using those platforms....

But more to the point:

PS - Thinking about it a little more, another negative on Edge is it's not open source.

Given the known benefits of open source, an argument could be made that's actually a good reason too.

Anyways, My objection to the so-called mindless hate that was springing forth was not because I thought it was not deserved, but because I had *EXPLICITLY* said that outside of any preconceptions about Microsoft as a company, regardless of how strongly one felt that a negative predisposition was justified, I was wondering if people had any remaining objectively valid reasons to not use Edge.

Some have now been given... that's fine. Bear in mind only that these reasons were not necessarily obvious, and that was why I was objecting to all of the hate-on against Microsoft in response to my question.

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps you missed the preface immediately before the text that you quoted:

No. I'm stating what I personally know. It seems clear that you want to insert your perception into the conversation more than fact.

Given the known benefits of open source, an argument could be made that's actually a good reason too.

Right. It's obviously a good thing that Edge won't be compiled for Linux until MS decides to port it, if ever. And if there's a bug and MS refuses to fix it, well, we're all fucked. More importantly, if Edge actually IS better than Chrome or Firefox in a lot of ways,
  it can't really be improved by anyone but MS. I mean, why would anyone want anyone but MS in control of making Edge better?

Anyways, My objection to the so-called mindless hate that was springing forth was not because I thought it was not deserved, but because I had *EXPLICITLY* said that outside of any preconceptions about Microsoft as a company, regardless of how strongly one felt that a negative predisposition was justified, I was wondering if people had any remaining objectively valid reasons to not use Edge.

Sure. It's not objective better. So, why switch? That's pretty much the cornerstone of basic human psychology. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Some have now been given... that's fine. Bear in mind only that these reasons were not necessarily obvious, and that was why I was objecting to all of the hate-on against Microsoft in response to my question.

Yep, we can't hurt poor old Microsoft's feelings because it might get a tummy ache from all its crying. Oh, wait, no. So people were pointlessly shitty towards Edge when it's at worst mediocre? Yea, that's the MS way. Oh, oops, bashing MS again. Or just establishing that that really is the MS way. There's nothing wrong with it. Just as there's nothing wrong making millions making toilet paper. I wouldn't snub my nose at those millions when I'm providing a basic service to people.

But MS has gone out of its way to try to woo people to switch to Edge. They've missed the boat. People already switched to Chrome or Firefox. They'll likely get a lot of Internet Explorer converts. Yet a lot of people will just as readily switch to Chrome. MS's dominance through the web browser has ended. So, what have they got for the desktop empire? MS Office? Legacy support?

No, the issue isn't that Edge is bad. It's that it's pathetically late to the show and you're seemingly upset that people are unjustly dumping on it. Yea, they are. *shrug* Couldn't have happened to nicer people.

Re: Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why would you use it specifically? Like watching it auto updating three times a day?

Re:Why would we want it?

[mark-t]

I was upset that people are dumping on Edge because of grievances against Microsoft when I explicitly mentioned right from the very beginning that I wanted to exclude such biases from consideration.

Call me pedantic, but when I ask a question about XYZ stating at the very beginning that I already know about ABC and want a list of any other issues, and everybody that initially responds only gives me more of ABC, I can get a little ornery about the matter.

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Call me pedantic, but when I ask a question about all the bad things Hitler stating at the very beginning that I already know about the Holocaust... Yea, Godwin and everything. It's just stupid to explicitly exclude it. Then get very ornery about it when people tend to ignore your major request. I understand the pedantic nature of it, but then this is not a scholar research group where we're discussing the minutia of Edge and its strategies. Certainly, responding to a post that compares Edge to leprosy is such hyperbole that to actually expect a straight answer is ridiculous. You're honestly lucky you got any sort of a decent answer. From a real technical standpoint, no, you're so far removed from the finer details of what makes Edge good or Chrome bad that this whole exercise was rather pointless.

Re: Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Mark-t has cleverly demonstrated that you are all closet bigots. Bravo!

Re:Why would we want it?

[mark-t]

False analogy. Edge is created by Microsoft, not the other way around. Your metaphor for my initial question seems to effectively liken Hitler to Edge and the Holocaust to Microsoft, which is like saying that the Holocaust caused Hitler.

Assuming that you meant it the other way around, the Holocaust was bad regardless of who initiated it, and there are plenty of bad things that Hitler did anyways... these are all quite obvious.

Edge is something happening *today*. And as the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day. It's not impossible that a bad company could produce a product that is technically good, and I was asking if there were any technically bad reasons to avoid Edge, or if the bias against it was only based only on distrust of Microsoft based on their past performances. Regardless of how deserving Microsoft might be about this is irrelevant.

All I got from the initial round of replies was, in fact, that no... everyone who initially responded was so focused on hating Microsoft that they never even bothered to see if Edge was or was not actually technically inferior to alternatives.

That's not objective. At best it's lazy, and it's certainly not what I asked for.

Nice self-professed Godwin, by the way. Full marks.

Re:Why would we want it?

[Anonymous Coward]

The specific reason most reported for not using Edge is that compared to Chrome, FF, even IE11, that it is still so much a 'work in progress' that there are significant numbers of websites (including some of MS's own) that it is totally or partly broken on. As I run Win7 (work) and Linux (home) I don't know if this is still the case or if it has improved recently.

In other news...

[mccrew]

Microsoft Stick now generally available for everyone's eye.

Re:In other news...

[newdsfornerds]

You wrote my new sig file.

Way better than FF for Android

[Anonymous Coward]

I've been using the preview of Edge for Android, and I think it's a lot better than FF for Android. While FF for Android has always felt so slow and laggy, Edge on the same phone is fast and efficient. I don't think that Edge feels faster than Chrome, but I try to avoid Chrome whenever possible. I don't even know why Mozilla even bothers with FF for Android. Edge and Chrome are just so much better that I think FF for Android has no realistic chance of ever catching up.

Re:Way better than FF for Android

[Anonymous Coward]

Thing is on iOS they don't allow other rendering engines for browsers. You have safari and webview jammed in a container labeled firefox or edge or whatever as your options.

Not to mention webview is slower than safari and doesn't support content blockers (unless they are build in to the app). I don't know why these keep getting released, but I expect it's just to claim market share.

Re:Way better than FF for Android

[thereitis]

Why don't you quit trolling this story, AC.

Re:Way better than FF for Android

[corychristison]

I have been using FF Beta on Android since it's been available. No issues here.

I don't think I've ever used Chrome on Android. Google already tracks all the apps I use, I don't need them tracking my web browsing history, too.

Re:Way better than FF for Android

[tsa]

Yeah right.

Re:Way better than FF for Android

[denis-The-menace]

I find FF on Android slow too.

Maybe it because it needs to contact DoubleClick first:

https://reports.exodus-privacy...

Re:Way better than FF for Android

[Desler]

The deprecated UIWebView is slower but WKWebView uses the same Nitro javascript engine as Safari.

Re: Way better than FF for Android

[thereitis]

Sorry, I don't work for Mozilla but I do know that a proper software complaint should include some specifics like what version you're using, on what hardware, what site(s) you see this problem. If all you're going to do is whine without providing any evidence then you're just trolling as far as I'm concerned.

Adblock

[110010001000]

Does it come with any adblocking features? That is all that is really needed.

Re:Adblock

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope, but it will share all the data you enter and your browser history with Microsoft and its selected partners.

Re:Adblock

[Groo Wanderer]

Why bother when you have Bing ads? :P

Oh boy, now I can install Internet Explorer 2.0!

[Anonymous Coward]

And on my android phone! -- Said no one ever.

Re:Oh boy, now I can install Internet Explorer 2.0

[Anonymous Coward]

I pee in my own butt.

Business as usual

[Anonymous Coward]

Now that they've got the Edge browser available on all devices, they can get back to the business of making webistes and developer tools that only work in Edge.

Re:Business as usual

[JcMorin]

I don't think it would work this time :)

Re:Business as usual

[mark-t]

For subjective definitiions of "all devices", I suppose.

Where I work, all the developer workstations are Unix-based desktops (usually Linux, but some FreeBSD).

Re: Business as usual

[Anonymous Coward]

Wowww you guys are really that cool? Do you mine virtual coins as well???

Re:Business as usual

[Desler]

He meant “all devices that matter.”

Re:Business as usual

[mark-t]

Yeah, I know what he meant.

The ones "that matter" is what is subjective.

M$ +5 Insightful

[Anonymous Coward]

M$? M$ BAD!
I didn't RTFS after "MICRO$HIT" because everything they do is bad and wrong, now mod me up for my insightfulness.

Why?

[Anonymous Coward]

No, seriously...why?

Not being a troll. Just really, truly, seriously wondering.... why?

Edge FLUNKS on https://arstechnica.co.uk/

[Anonymous Coward]

https://arstechnica.co.uk/

is not right in Edge. Matter of fact, it's stale. Very, very stale. Even clearing cache doesn't change it.

Re:Edge FLUNKS on https://arstechnica.co.uk/

[Anonymous Coward]

Flunks in what way?
What do you mean by stale?

Re:Edge FLUNKS on https://arstechnica.co.uk/

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't follow the URL. It goes to a Trumper's neo-Nazi website.

Re:Edge FLUNKS on https://arstechnica.co.uk/

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually Arstechnica UK doesn't seem to have been updated since 26/11/2017 - tried in Chrome and Firefox on different devices and different connections. Can't find any news about why this is...

uhmm..... yeah....

[Heebie]

I have to wash my hair... so... yeah... like... I think I'll be avoiding that or something... yeah.

The Stampede Begins!

[newdsfornerds]

I bet a few thousand chumps will download that crap.

Re: The Stampede Begins!

[Anonymous Coward]

Lol +5 for the username.

Lack of extensions cripples Edge from the start

[Noishkel]

That's the thing that got my right out of the gate with Edge. The fact that they have never been able to open up access to any real significant pro privacy extensions. And I imagine they will never do so given that every single one of these POS tech companies have bought fulling into monitizing everything you do.

Re:Lack of extensions cripples Edge from the start

[110010001000]

Agreed...that is why I stick with FF. At least it is open source.

Re:Lack of extensions cripples Edge from the start

[Noishkel]

well personally I went to Waterfox now that Quantum strips out the ability to use classic theme restorer as well as a few other 'legacy' add-ons. I just flat out HATE the new visual design. And my real work house extensions I use for privacy work just as well as they always have. Privacy badger, cookie autodelete, u-block, etc.

Re:Lack of extensions cripples Edge from the start

[modmans2ndcoming]

Did you bother looking at the extensions? LastPast, uBlock, pocket....a bunch of other stuff that people use I guess.....They have all the stuff people actually care about and keep the hakz0r crap out of the store.

Take My Money Now Microsoft!!!!

[dryriver]

You can have it all if you promise not to make software anymore.

Edge

[Anonymous Coward]

The browser i refuse to use on windows 10

Re:Edge

[Bing Tsher E]

I use Edge for logging onto Facebook. That is to say, I hardly ever use Edge. But sticking my vestigial Facebook account on Edge quarantines the whole mess off on an obscure area of my PC.

What's an "edge app"?

[Anonymous Coward]

Google isn't helpful figuring that one out.

Is that a warning or advertisement?

[CFD339]

I'm not sure if I should be alarmed that this is now available for use outside the already damned places it was before.

Remember, Microsoft browsers are the number one browsers used to download other browsers.

Re:Is that a warning or advertisement?

[tsa]

Downloading other browsers is the only thing they're useful for.

Great news!

[Miles_O'Toole]

That's like announcing popcorn that causes ungovernable episodes of explosive diarrhea will be available at all your local supermarkets.

Re:Great news!

[SeaFox]

Well, it wouldn't be the first time such a product was so easily found.

Really?

[kurkosdr]

Gotta love all the "No Micro$hit stuff on my phone" crowd. None of them mentioned any problems with the browser itself, but let's bash Microsoft because we are in neckbeardia (Slashdot) and therefore it's the cool thing to do. IMO Edge's problem is the lack of adblocking capabilities, which means you 'll have to tolerate heavyweight javascript from ads draining your battery and ad banners clashing with poorly-made mobile CSS. Chrome has the exact same problem. I use Brave Browser in my Android phone, but it doesn't have tab sync functionality between devices. Still, I am always on the lookout for something better (with ad blocking and tab sync).

Re:Really?

[tsa]

Microsoft has done so many terrible things in the 1990s and 2000s that they deserve at least twenty years more of MS bashing. You are probably too young to have lived through that hellish period.

Re:Really?

[OneHundredAndTen]

Gotta love all the "No Micro$hit stuff on my phone" crowd. None of them mentioned any problems with the browser itself, but let's bash Microsoft because we are in neckbeardia (Slashdot) and therefore it's the cool thing to do.

It's not cool. It's the least that MS deserves, after decades of abuse and obnoxiousness.

Re:Really?

[modmans2ndcoming]

one word.....uBlock Origin....its there, its fully supported.

Re:Really?

[spire3661]

Do you remember the time that Microsoft tried to outright kill Linux by funding SCO? WE DO. For fuck's sake you are on a site that for over a decade had Bill Gate's face mocked up as a Borg.We have some some shit here, more than you could imagine. Dont be such an ignorant ass.

Re: Really?

[kurkosdr]

On Chrome for Android? I meant Chrome for Android obviously.

Re:Really?

[JohnFen]

let's bash Microsoft because we are in neckbeardia (Slashdot) and therefore it's the cool thing to do.

It's not that it's "the cool thing to do". It's that the history of abuse coming from Microsoft is so long and bad that avoidance is the only rational stance to take.

If someone punches you every time you see them, it's not remotely irrational to expect that the next time you see them, they're going to punch you.

Re:Really?

[cheesyweasel]

Edge's problem is that it's not open source, it's developer tools look like they were written by high schools students, its security is the worst of major browsers, its support for web standards (particularly MediaSource and things like that) is still no where near that of chrome and firefox.

Re:Really?

[ChunderDownunder]

It gets better with every 6 month release. the Fall Creators Update was almost usable! :)

I think the main problem is the release cycle. Few are interested in the Insider program and to gain any traction they need more regular updates. Whereas Firefox and Chrome users see an update every 6 weeks.

Re:Really?

[JThundley]

There's this really cool new browser that has both of those features on Android, you should try it. It's got kind of a funny name though, I don't know if it'll ever get popular. It's called "Firefox".

Re:Really?

[Anonymous Coward]

Gotta love all the "No Micro$hit stuff on my phone" crowd. None of them mentioned any problems with the browser itself, but let's bash Microsoft because we are in neckbeardia (Slashdot) and therefore it's the cool thing to do. IMO Edge's problem is the lack of adblocking capabilities, which means you 'll have to tolerate heavyweight javascript from ads draining your battery and ad banners clashing with poorly-made mobile CSS. Chrome has the exact same problem. I use Brave Browser in my Android phone, but it doesn't have tab sync functionality between devices. Still, I am always on the lookout for something better (with ad blocking and tab sync).

I think you can probably block advertisements with a squid proxy server plus some kind of ad removal module. Years ago I had one that dynamically re-compressed images and such. Of course running your own would be a pain, but the potential exists to greatly reduce the amount of bytes and such downloaded, though doing it without breaking various sites might be a pain. Basically it would be doing the same thing Amazon does and all the rest, save your focusing on removing crap along with offloading to more powerful hardware.

I don't think google has any ad filtering options with its built in proxy. It would be cool if they did, say perhaps automatically replacing complex garbage with simple text based ad links. I don't see it happening though.

Re:Really?

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's see...

No proper plugin support

No way to use an external PDF reader properly

Not honoring general preferences for the OS

Providing Microsoft with an even larger list of 'metadata' on your activity than even their already-overblown telemetry

Yeah, it's fucking awful. It's not just 'anti-microsoft sentiment'.

Why FF is my favorite Android browser

[Cajun Hell]

I don't even know why Mozilla even bothers with FF for Android

I don't know their motive, but from a user point of view, the reason FireFox is the best mainstream browser for Android, is that it can run all the usual extensions (except for some recent API changes). So there's no ads and a lot of the slow-down-your-computer-by-running-lots-of-weird-javascript goes away.

That said, the API change has been a little rough and I've lost a few other non ad/privacy related extensions that I like, but maybe they'll get updated or replaced later. Even with the API change "scandal" it still utterly crushes and embarrasses Chrome, though.

Chrome-for-Android isn't anywhere near in the same league, and is hopelessly crippled. From my PoV, the only way I would be able to stand Chrome on Android, would be if I fanatically loved looking at ads all the time. I guess there are people like that.

That's particularly disappointing, because the non-Android versions of Chrome and Chromium have all the usual extensions. It's only on Android that Google crippled Chrome. And people aren't screaming about it. I just don't get it, and I find it utterly mysterious that people flame Firefox on Android, since it's the one that doesn't overwhelmingly suck. The web in 2017 needs filtering.

Anyone who has tried Edge for Android: does it block ads? Can you make it block ads without running a proxy?

great

[Anonymous Coward]

Even more work and stupid, senseless hacks to make sure even simple websites all look the same across browsers.

Thanks, MS

[OneHundredAndTen]

I guess you have a fairly good idea where you can stick it.

Awesome!

[kelemvor4]

Just what nobody wanted.

Screw that

[Billly Gates]

I want IE 6 on my Android .

It would help my massochism porn fetish great perfect right there in bed

It's close enough

[HalAtWork]

EdgeHTML aims for compatibility with WebKit anyway so it might as well just use WebKit.

'Microsoft has stated that "any Edge-WebKit differences are bugs that we’re interested in fixing."'

https://blogs.windows.com/msed...

Crack open the sparkling wine

[DrXym]

I'm not sure who'd want to use Edge given that it's a bit crap but yay?

No Thanks

[CrashNBrn]

Edge still isn't as functional (or stable) as either Firefox nor Chrome on the Desktop, although it does have a few interesting ideas/implementations.

On Android I already have Firefox Nightly (some addons available), Firefox Focus (built-in ad & tracker blocking), Chrome Canary and Chrome.

It's well worth your time to install at least one additional browser, so that Android will give you a choice of how to open a given external URI every time.

Re:No Thanks

[modmans2ndcoming]

How is it unstable?

I use it every day on my Windows 10 device and have no issues at all.

Also, Edge on iPhone and Android is just a wraper of features around the native HTML/JS engines on the devices.

Re: No Thanks

[Anonymous Coward]

It's possible to be less stable than chrome while still being pretty stable. Chrome sets a high standard. I usually use Edge on my PC but I have all the others too.

Re:Woo freeking Hoo!

[Anonymous Coward]

Let me fix that:
  can finally shed the shackles of Chrome and Firefox. My employer once again has an enturdprise solution for the web browser, not these maturish open source programs.

ok I guess....

[roc97007]

If you're using Edge, this is good news.

But, why are you using Edge?

Re: ok I guess....

[Anonymous Coward]

You like the touch friendly UI? You value battery life?

Is the iOS version still just a front end

[rsilvergun]

on the iOS browser? I remember Firefox on iOS wasn't really Firefox back in the day because Apple wouldn't let you publish apps that themselves ran apps and a browser counted as such. The want to make sure you don't use it to do an end run around their store's 30% cut.

Re:Is the iOS version still just a front end

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep. But instead of feeding your data to Apple, Edge-skinned Safari will also give it to Microsoft too. And only way Microsoft would benefit from giving away free software is by selling the data they harvest and you can be sure this is what they do.

Re:Woo freeking Hoo!

[Anonymous Coward]

Ya. In other news, you have the option of smearing poo on your Birthday cake, instead of using amateurish frosting, like a basic chump.

When will Edge be available for Linux?

[Anonymous Coward]

What I really need a better browser for downloading Chrome and Firefox. Edge is that browser.

Re:When will Edge be available for Linux?

[Anonymous Coward]

Not sure what you mean, though I do remember that being the case back when I used to use windows (first boot, load IE, download ff, block IE from every functioning again, standard operating procedure). Since switching to linux a few years ago, firefox and chrome are usually pre-installed, I usually uninstall chrome because of personal preference.

Who in their right mind

[cmaurand]

Would install the security hole that is IE on a Linux device?

Re:Untrue - hosts files do the job... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

wow! does it work on any of the systems this article talks about?

I just have one question...

[JohnFen]

Why?

What version of Android?

[Anonymous Coward]

My newest Android tablet is running 6.0, yet "your device isn't compatible with this version". WTF does it need?

I already have 3 older Android tablets that no manufacturer wants to update to newer versions. I'm not spending more money on tablets that can't be upgraded just because of software I may want to run need a newer version. At least MS has that going for them. Heck, my Lumia phone still gets updated, and it's been called "dead" a long time ago.

Edge is Windows exclusive

[tepples]

On desktop, Edge is exclusive to Windows.

My laptop runs Debian 9 "Stretch". Compared to the Firefox ESR that I currently use or the Chromium that I use for a few sites that don't run well in Firefox ESR (such as Discordapp.com), Edge would cost more, as I'd have to buy a Windows license, and it would use a lot more RAM, as I'd have to run Windows in a virtual machine.

Windows 10 S

[tepples]

why are you using Edge?

I personally am not. But the following applies to another class of users:

Windows 10 S blocks installation of applications from outside the Windows Store. The Windows Store Policies ban web browsers other than EdgeHTML wrappers. Therefore, for a user of a PC that came with Windows 10 S, installing another browser costs $50 for the upgrade from Windows 10 S to Windows 10 Pro.

Re:Sure (rooted droids/godmode iPhone)

[Anonymous Coward]

and this has comparable protection to the security vendor DNS solutions like OpenDNS and Quad9, which are updated by the second and contain billions of entries (and don't require software or rooting a phone)? if so, where do you get the real-time updates and how do you sync them to your rooted phones?

Sure (rooted droids/godmode iPhone)

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: A rooted Android via ADB (Android Debugging Bridge) PULL command imports hosts & "godmode" iPhones (like Apple devs have to SSH into to load/import hosts files on) can use hosts easily.

APK

P.S.=> Of course I suspect you're attempting a "loaded question" & I love that - it's easy to BLOW AWAY via facts like those above... apk

FALSE - hosts files do the job best! apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & NEW APK Hosts File Engine 10++ 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

Ads/script/malware rob speed/security/privacy/bandwidth.

Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).

Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!

Avoids DNSChangers in routers/IP settings & dns redirect (99++% of ISP DNS != patched vs. it) + DNS tracking & lighten DNS load & resolve faster via local RAM!

* Via what u NATIVELY have in a FASTER kernelmode IP stack (does more w/ less).

APK

P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/ (self checking vs. infection of it built-in)

My program, ADB (rooteddroid) & no dns issues

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Hosts files = updated current vs. threats via APK Hosts File Engine 10++ 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ on a Windows system & on rooted "droids" ADB (Android Debugging Bridge) is easy to use (pull command imports hosts to it & yes, ANDROID's have a hosts file (except for KitKat afaik)) - they're LINUX after all!

* This also LIGHTENS dns loads (bonus) & circumvents DNS level TRACKING (dns requestlogs) OR DNS GOING DOWN (does a lot) OR being kaminsky redirect flaw poisoned (99++% of ISP dns servers are NOT patched vs. it) - Using my program you can update this way as often as YOU like & YOU HAVE FULL CONTROL OF IT (not some remote system).

APK

P.S.=> There ya go & my program's free... apk

Addons=inferior/inefficient/faulty vs. hosts

[Anonymous Coward]

Hosts protect when addons can't (or as well):

Bad sites (past ads)
Botnet C&Cs
DNS down/poisoned
Trackers (dns logs/ads/transparent ISP proxy)
Dns blocks
Spam/phish payload
Slowdown 2 ways: adblocks & hardcodes
Hosts = Ez edit.

AB+ 151mb https://www.google.com/search?q=Adblock+memory+consumption&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1/

UBlock 64MB https://www.google.com/search?q=UBlock+memory+consumption&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1/

Hosts~6mb

Addons = ClarityRay defeatable & crippled http://www.businessinsider.com/google-microsoft-amazon-taboola-pay-adblock-plus-to-stop-blocking-their-ads-2015-2/

NoScript tag parses. Hosts block script prior to it!

No 1 addon does as much.

Stacked addons slowup.

ADDONS = EXPLOITABLE https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11166303&cid=55266729/

APK

P.S.=> APK Hosts File Engine 10++ 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

APK doesn't get updates and is not a cloud db

[Anonymous Coward]

both opendns and quad9 are also free for personal use. DNS can indeed go down (which is rare), but then you're not going to be going to any malicious sites, nor will you get updates to your APK Hosts File Engine 10++ (... assuming it gets updates).

speaking of which, you ignored my questions about how you can have an updated security db rivaling cloud services in a file that doesn't get updated (since you don't have an android/ios app). how does your 5MB program (that gets updates every ...?) compete with a multi-terabyte security database that gets updated roughly every second?

WTF? Of course my program updates!

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & DNS takes TIME to propogate across ALL dns servers (@ least 24hrs.) so your "millisecond updates"? BS. Of course my program updates (you don't know what you're talking about, lol) from 10 reputable & reliable security community sources!

* I use OpenDNS too!

APK

P.S.=> I answered your question in my 1st line above (time it takes to propogate to all subordinate dns servers, yes, even on DNS (it's NOT just "1 dns server" you know) & YES, DNS has TONS OF PROBLEMS https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9007355&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=51969075// & THAT LIST of dns security or other types of problems IS FAR FROM CURRENT or COMPLETE (it's just that OpenDNS is better vs. most out there & certainly better than ISP dns' are since OpenDNS is patched vs. the kaminsky flaw @ least)

Re:WTF? Of course my program updates!

[Anonymous Coward]

awesome! please name your 10 security community sources and state your update interval.

Letting /. peers talk for me #1/3... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised" - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017 @07:17PM (#53882945)

"You need APK's hosts file" - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @08:59AM (#47613163)

"I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good" - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

APK

P.S.=> Many more coming! apk

Letting /. peers talk for me #2/3... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"APK is kinda right... I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable." - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015 @10:27PM (#50999097)

"I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK. Ever heard of him?" by 110010001000 (697113) on Friday October 27, 2017 @09:35PM (#55448365)

"that APK guy, I use his host file" by rogoshen1 (2922505) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @01:44AM (#49169453)

"APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment." - by Culture20 (968837) on Thursday November 17, @10:08AM (#38085666)

"No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

APK

P.S.=> More coming above https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11424811&cid=55655675/ apk

Letting /. peers talk for me #3/3... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice" by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @08:52PM (#54665383)

"APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop" - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM (#49899741)

"I say the following as a caring human being who agrees with how useful HOSTS files are: Your zeal is to be respected" - by dave420 (699308) on Monday September 08, 2014 @12:09PM (#47853179)

"But I love APK!The power of the hostfile compels you!" by ratboy666 (104074) on Friday January 29, 2016 @04:13PM (#51398927)

"APK solution STILL relevant" - by Thud457 ( 234763 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @02:28PM (#49893197)

* Want more? Ask (got 'em by DOZENS).

APK

P.S.=> Above are beyond https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11424811&cid=55655691/ & https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11424811&cid=55655675/ apk

I told you already: OFTEN AS YOU LIKE! apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & my sources my program gets do it @ diff. intervals ALL AROUND THE CLOCK & I go 'above & beyond it' personally - how?

SECURITY SITES I WILL LIST FOR YOU (these are excellent finding all kinds of exploiters & malicious sites/servers galore for ALL types of threats):

http://blog.talosintelligence....
https://www.welivesecurity.com...
https://blog.malwarebytes.com/
https://researchcenter.paloalt...
https://www.bleepingcomputer.c...
https://securityintelligence.c...
https://www.cyren.com/blog
http://garwarner.blogspot.com/
http://www.malwaretech.com/
https://securelist.com/all/?ca...
https://www.fireeye.com/blog/t...
https://www.secureworks.com/re...
https://research.checkpoint.co...
http://blog.trendmicro.com/tre...
https://www.proofpoint.com/us/...
https://blog.comodo.com/catego...

That's 25 sources in total from the security community that UPDATES all the time around the clock - my program makes easy work of consolidating all that data is all! It works (see testimonials I posted in my other replies to you from /. peers).

APK

P.S.=> ... & YOU, personally, have FULL CONTROL OF THE DATA (try that w/ addons OR a REMOTE DNS - good luck on the latter & the former? You'd best know regular expressions)... apk

those are blogs, not lists

[Anonymous Coward]

those are malware blogs, and their typical IOCs are file hashes, which are meaningless to a hosts file.

"all the time around the clock" is not an update interval. how many updates do you make in a day? how often does your software update the hosts file?

OMG! Learn to read please... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

What I listed in the post you replied to are what I supplement 10 sources in my program with (& my prog's, like those blogs, do update @ diff. times from one another a LOT) - then, I get even MORE reading those blogs from security pros!

E.G. - This year alone I added 100,000++ to my hosts file via those security sites - above my program's sources! BY THE WAY: WHERE DOES OpenDNS get its INFO from for blocking?

BETTER SOURCES THAN MINE? I doubt it - I used the best possible (the security community itself).

They are NOT "just file hashes" in their indicators of compromise - can the lies, please.

APK

P.S.=> FUNNY how you avoid that DNS has security issues TRACKS YOU & takes time to update all of their subordinate DNS servers (up to 24 hrs.++) & also that malware makers/botnet herders ALSO take that much time + more (& money) to REGISTER their domains, which must propogate thru DNS too (takes time so your 'milliseconds' = bullshit from you)... apkb

FORGOT THIS SOURCE (nigh constant updates)

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & NORTON SafeWeb http://safeweb.norton.com/buzz/ that updates every few minutes above & beyond the 10 sources in my program from the security community (+ 16 security blogs I noted I use here too https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11424811&cid=55655747/ ).

* That's 27 security sites in TOTAL I use that update AROUND THE CLOCK!

APK

P.S.=> FUNNY you won't tell me WHERE OpenDNS gets its data & prove it's better than I use in security community researchers + how you AVOID the FACT DNS has massive security issues I enumerated https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9007355&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=51969075/ & that it TAKES TIME for DNS to propogate across SUBORDINATE dns servers + that malwaremakers/botnet herders etc. (bad guys) have to PAY for domains/subdomains & THEY TOO HAVE TO WAIT OUT 24 hr. DNS updates for their malicious sites (so your CRAP on 'every millisecond' updates @ OpenDNS is lies!)... apk

I already have the App Store

[Anonymous Coward]

Why would I need Edge when I already can get other browsers through the App Store?

yes, better than yours. that's why you use them

[Anonymous Coward]

mcafee states 5 million new suspect urls are discovered each month. if you've blocked 200,000 so far in 2017 (I doubled your "100,000++"), that's 18,181 per month, or just 0.3% of that figure.

opendns, a research firm that should be on your blog list, looks at the same sources as you (they're collaborating with and/or even powering most of them). if that's all you've got, then your 0.3% coverage is a small subset of opendns. fortunately, you're using them yourself, so you are protected. your users are not.

100k's from blogs ONLY troll

[Anonymous Coward]

I get TONS more off others (& many get SINKHOLED you know!).

McAfee MAY count 'spammers'! I don't for long (ephemeral shortlived (hours) - let mailservers handle it (sounds like TRYING to 'inflate' their counts vs. others))

OpenDNS was part of an AMP attack too https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9007355&cid=51977727/

& on antiviruses & FALSE POSITIVES? Including McAfee??

I've PROVEN THEM WRONG myself w/ Malwarebytes' help (they host my work) & they rescinded their finding vs. MY WORK https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11381719&cid=55599199/ which does a leaner, faster CLEANER JOB than their horrendous false positives laden BLOATWARE everyone knows (even John McAfee himself no less, lol, says it is) is CRAP!

My ware does a better job BLOCKING infectors BEFORE they can hit you for FAR less & faster (speeding you up 2 ways, not just 1 in adblocking but hardcodes too & AV is KNOWN to SLOW YOU DOWN)!

APK

P.S.=> /.ers speak well of MY WORK https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11424811&cid=55655675/ https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11424811&cid=55655691/ & https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11424811&cid=55655719/ do they yours? Do YOU have any of your own?? No...apk

Re:100k's from blogs ONLY troll

[Anonymous Coward]

then why do you use opendns?

Layered-Security/Defense-in-Depth (best)

[Anonymous Coward]

See above & #8 below. I need valid proof OpenDNS has that # + sources (I suspect they're not flushing SINKHOLES or chasing spamlists too (makes some sense for DNS, not hosts, especially short-lived ephemerals only usually living a few hrs)).

* Some of what you said made NO sense, #'s imo = ludicrous & mine's biggest hosts in existence I know of (maybe Airelle but full of falsies):

1.) Sinkholing done?
2.) IOC > than hash only you said
3.) DNS TRACKING hosts stops
4.) Hosts lighten DNS' load
5.) Hosts RESOLVE FASTER locally from system RAM + my program verifies 'em
6.) Even OpenDNS got abused by security issues
7.) DNS HAS TONS of sec issues (I did only PARTIAL PROOF of in the 100's)
8.) RESOLVING RARE SITES NOT IN MY NOW 100++ favorites inside hosts @ top for fastest possible local ram resolve = OpenDNS (like 4% of time online per router log).

APK

P.S.=> HOW I could miss any from the security community & I've been @ it heavy since I retired 2008 (also from 1997 to 2008 to now)

Re:Layered-Security/Defense-in-Depth (best)

[Anonymous Coward]

you clearly do not trust DNS, nor do you believe that opendns provides notable security beyond your hosts file, yet you use them despite that they track your connections (this is how they get their security data).

why exactly do you use opendns?

Yay!

[Shogun37]

It's the Uwe Boll of browsers! For EVERYONE! Now we can all smear rat excrement all over our hard drives!

Clearly, You don't have the proof I ask for

[Anonymous Coward]

Clearly, You don't have the proof I ask for here https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11424811&cid=55660595/ do you?

* Nope!

You don't & can't back it up!

(I was asking honestly too & NO hostility - just looking for truth/facts here...)

APK

P.S.=> I answered your question there in that link I posted above & I neglected to add that you overlook that DNS propogation time takes @ least 24 hrs. to get to all subordinate servers off a 'root' set SO your other statement "updates in milliseconds" = bs too ONTOP of the list I put out in the link above (like your lack of proof of what I asked for in the link above) & since that is the case, malwaremakers/botnetherders/spammers also have that "lagtime" as well... apk