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Australian Man Uses Snack Bags As Faraday Cage To Block Tracking By Employer (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A 60-year-old electrician in Perth, Western Australia had his termination upheld by a labor grievance commission when it was determined he had been abusing his position and technical knowledge to squeeze in some recreation during working hours. Tom Colella used mylar snack bags to block GPS tracking via his employer-assigned personal digital assistant to go out to play a round of golf -- more than 140 times -- while he reported he was offsite performing repairs.

In his finding against Colella, Australia Fair Work Commissioner Bernie Riordan wrote: "I have taken into account that Mr Colella openly stored his PDA device in an empty foil 'Twisties' bag. As an experienced electrician, Mr Colella knew that this bag would work as a faraday cage, thereby preventing the PDA from working properly -- especially the provision of regular GPS co-ordinate updates Mr. Colella went out of his way to hide his whereabouts. He was concerned about Aroona tracking him when the Company introduced the PDA into the workplace. He protested about Aroona having this information at that time. Mr Colella then went out of his way to inhibit the functionality of the PDA by placing it in a foil bag to create a faraday cage."

193 comments

  1. person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishment by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    next~!

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  2. tinfoil hat by AlanBDee · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's why I wear the hat people... to keep the government from tracking my thoughts.

    It looking like a pirate hat is just me expressing my sense of fashion.

    1. Re:tinfoil hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The little hat you made for your phone as well is really cute.

      It just looks stupid on you.

    2. Re:tinfoil hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I wear the hat people...

      How do you ground your hat?

    3. Re:tinfoil hat by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      You do realize how the story ended for this guy, right? They'll come after you, too!

    4. Re:tinfoil hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not want to know how that is grounded.

    5. Re:tinfoil hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wear a twisties bag on my head.

  3. He's half a hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't call him a hero, but I definitely can't call him a bad guy. If you can play golf all the time and the only way the boss knows is by tracking you, the boss doesn't know much about what proper productivity can do. Follow this by the fact that so much "work" done these days is pointless BS anyway. He's only half a hero though--because his work probably isn't pointless BS if it's maintenance that's not initially noticeable but will later cost clients money or perhaps even lives.

    To be a full hero, do your job. If your job is being a boss, consider doing it without being big brother. Then you'd both be good regular guys, who are so scarce these days that they look like full-on heroes.

    1. Re:He's half a hero by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      But it sounds like his work was non-BS maintenance, that he wasn't actually doing. He was slacking off instead of working while telling his employer he was doing the work.

      Next thing you know you're working at Equifax and instead of installing security updates, you went golfing.

    2. Re:He's half a hero by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call him a hero or a villain either, but I would still call him an asshole and a moron. Not for slacking off during working hours and trying to hide it, but because he still tried to claim the firing was unjustified after he was caught and fired.

      If you're going to try to cheat something, at least admit to it when you're caught. You're not stupid so you knew full well what you were doing and what the consequences would be if you were caught. You're not a minor or otherwise mentally incompetent enough not to be responsible for your own actions so don't expect to get the same kind of treatment as those who are.

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    3. Re:He's half a hero by Megol · · Score: 2

      This is about an asshole abusing the freedom he obvious was given to cheat (and even IMO steal from) the people that paid money for a certain service.
      If he didn't want to do the work then he could quit.
      If he didn't like the idea of tracking he could use the bag as a kind of protest - AS LONG AS HE DID HIS JOB.

      This isn't anything different than any other kind of criminal avoiding detection. Hero? Only to criminals.

    4. Re:He's half a hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tell that to people in politics or in higher company positions. The best outcome for someone is to generally deny everything, slander the people saying unflattering things about you, and point everyone in another direction using an invalid, emotional argument. People will get so caught up in how wrong you are in the invalid thing that the original issue won't seem so bad in comparison. So he only stole 50k, at least we've finally determined he didn't poison a school cafeteria. What a nice guy for not killing a bunch of kids. Only unimportant people and pushovers have morals.

      If he wants to get paid to get away with it he should be complaining the electrical equipment was giving him headaches so he needed retreat to a non-electrical area to recover from each repair job. Then sue the company for putting him into dangerous EMF areas without enough protection. The lawsuit will get so bogged down in bullshit the company may pay to settle it. That's how winners play. Or he could claim a golfing addiction and claim the company is discriminating and that he needs to be on medical leave while he sorts himself out. So many possibilities.

    5. Re:He's half a hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "To be a full hero, do your job. "

      Who says he didn't?
      We don't know whether or not he did his allocated work before going golfing.
      As an Australian who is fed up with the notion that people who do their job efficiently are rewarded by more work, I assume that he, like as I would, got the job done then rewarded himself instead of punishing himself by informing his boss his allocated tasks were complete.

    6. Re:He's half a hero by sinij · · Score: 1

      Next thing you know you're working at Equifax and instead of installing security updates, you went golfing.

      Damn it, they are onto me.

    7. Re: He's half a hero by edris90 · · Score: 1

      If you hire competent people then after they get the hang of their job over time they become more and more efficient at it. Now I see how it might be advantageous to an employer to attempt to extort additional productivity without an increase in salary or wages but there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. As long as that employee was generating income or preventing loss of at the cost of empoying them plus a polite ten percent fir the company, the company is getting it's moneys worth. An employee is a labor vendor. A employer is a client. You get what you pay for, and working more efficient ly doesn't give a person their time back then why would anyone ever be motivated to more then the minimal.

    8. Re: He's half a hero by edris90 · · Score: 1

      As long as he is completing his responsibilities within deadline, and the rate of pay equitable to what is generated or retained by the employees labor, then how or when he does his work is nobody else's business

  4. Or a Will Smith fan by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    I have taken into account that Mr Colella openly stored his PDA device in an empty foil 'Twisties' bag. As an experienced electrician, Mr Colella knew that this bag would work as a faraday cage, thereby preventing the PDA from working properly

    Or as a Will Smith fan.

    1. Re:Or a Will Smith fan by BuckBundy · · Score: 1

      Please don't soil the memory of Edward Lyle (Gene Hackman), you might want to check "The Conversation" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071360/).

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  5. Help! Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Labour grievances? Yes, hello, I was terminated for browsing pornography during work hours.
    My defense is that my employer shouldn't have looked at my computer screen to see that I've been doing that.
    I want my job back!

    1. Re:Help! Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, hello, I was terminated for browsing pornography during work hours.

      Was that specifically forbidden? Would you also have been sacked for browsing slashdot during work hours?

    2. Re:Help! Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm quite certain that there would be some kind of acceptable use policy that he would have had to accept before using the work Internet connection. It's most certain that pornography is explicitly mentioned in all corporate policies for corporate Internet use.

  6. Looks like the manager should be looked at too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With 140 games of golf, surely his productivity must have taken a hit.

    1. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      With 140 games of golf, surely his productivity must have taken a hit.

      His swing, on the other hand, has developed nicely.

    2. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by nnet · · Score: 1

      Wonder what his handicap was....

    3. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by Ogive17 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wonder what his handicap was....

      Working

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    4. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by bloodhawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He was claiming to have performed work that he never actually did. He was caught out when it was shown that he hadn't serviced the equipment he was claiming to have done. basically unless you expect the manager to be running to every site and inspecting the equipment after it is supposedly serviced I am not sure what you think the Manager could have done. The guy lied his arse off, eventually these sort of people get caught but it isn't realistic for a manager to be standing over a supposed professional workmans shoulder all day every day.

    5. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      basically unless you expect the manager to be running to every site and inspecting the equipment after it is supposedly serviced I am not sure what you think the Manager could have done.

      Not every site, but some sites. After all, the manager/supervisor's job is to supervise. If all employees were capable of working without supervision, managers would be out of their jobs.

    6. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by Cederic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, they'd just have more time to focus on the aspects of management other than supervision.

      I have a manager. She deals with shit so that I don't have to, argues with HR and her manager to get me pay rises, and lets me know the things she's being asked to help with.

      In return I sometimes help her with them. Sometimes I just do my own thing and let her know. Sometimes I don't let her know; I tend to be rather good at getting credit for the work I do anyway, without needing the shameless self promotion.

    7. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      It would be trivial for a manager to camp out at the Coffee Club across the road from a job site one day and observe that Mr Colella never turned up on that day despite having logged an 8 hour time sheet for it.

    8. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would be trivial for a manager to camp out at the Coffee Club across the road from a job site one day and observe that Mr Colella never turned up on that day despite having logged an 8 hour time sheet for it.

      I suppose you could run your business so that the employee was 100% physically monitored during work hours by a manager, and then a senior manager 100% physically monitored the manager and so on up to the CEO who would be shadowed by a non-executive member of the Board, who would be shadowed by the Secret Service or something.

      I think productivity might take a bit of a hit though.

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    9. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they all go out to golf and just tell you they've spend the last two days rigorously trying to determine who should get raises.

    10. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Trump doesn’t even need a Twisties bag to hide his nonfeasance.

    11. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by plague911 · · Score: 1

      I am not a fan of micromanagers but this is quality control issue not big brother.

      Quality control is not a trivial thing to over look. With software with have automatic tests and QA departments. In a service industry part of QA is anonymous monitoring of the quality of the service your staff provides. This is reasonable AND respectable.

    12. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      This is how a healthy employee/manager relationship should be. Once the goals of the company are communicated, the manager should be able to trust that the employee will work to achieve those goals. The manager should then focus on removing obstacles to the employee's success. Essentially, the manager works for their employees

      Micromanaging is a symptom of low trust in the employee/manager relationship.

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    13. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Just a guess, but I'd say he wasn't playing 140 games of golf prior to the tracking policy.

      It sounds like this guy was close to retirement, upper brass decided to issue everyone PDA for the express purpose of tracking individual movements. He complained about it, likely due to the invasion of privacy. He was forced to use it anyway. So it seems he decided to show them how stupid he thought their idea was, and how easy it was to circumvent it using a chip bag, while at the same time giving them the finger by going and playing golf all day...

      He eventually got caught, and he probably expected them to find out, and got canned, which isn't unexpected, and I doubt he really was surprised. I'm sure he is probably laughing about the fact that it actually worked so long, playing 140 games of golf takes a fair amount of time I would expect! In the end, after so long, likely someone who works with him ran into him on the golf course and was bitter, or just as likely he was bragging about it to other staff further thumbing his nose at management, with predictable results.

    14. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I suppose you could run your business so that the employee was 100% physically monitored during work hours by a manager

      I am unsure why extremes are always sought. A good manager will sample their employee's work from time to time to ensure that what the manager expects to be happening is indeed actually happening. If the sampling were instead 100% of the time, then the manager effectively becomes the employee. If you do not sample at all, you have no idea if your expectations are reality.

      TL;DR You must test reality from time to time in order to ensure that your thoughts are consistent with reality.

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    15. Re:Looks like the manager should be looked at too by nnet · · Score: 1

      So...golf.

  7. Read the report by guruevi · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not all he did nor the only way they substantiated the facts. He claimed to be at work, but never swiped in at the client sites and things like chlorine analysers show they were never serviced even though he claimed they did.

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    1. Re:Read the report by koavf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Correct. It is totally legitimate to not want to be tracked or surveilled constantly at almost every job at almost every time but saying that you did maintenance or servicing of equipment when you did not is unjustified and fraudulent. If he did that as well, then he is using privacy rights as a thin proxy for being unprofessional.

    2. Re:Read the report by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      If he did that as well, then he is using privacy rights as a thin proxy for being unprofessional.

      This.

      If the company was tracking why he didn't repeatedly wake up a 3 am to answer a false positive from a system they would not fix, then the situation may be different. In this case he's been a dick and now it will be used as justification to crack down on all the normal people in his company - what a guy!

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    3. Re:Read the report by devman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be different if he was meeting all his goals and requirements. Gundecking is a serious offense being a breach of trust and can be straight up dangerous. It should generally always be met with termination if not a lawsuit or fraud complaint.

    4. Re:Read the report by unrtst · · Score: 2

      I don't understand how the tracking helped, or what it had to do with anything here. He disabled it, so they were not able to confirm he was golfing via it. He never swiped in at client sites, so... uh... why not? They know he didn't right there. Checking the equipment he was supposed to have serviced confirms it. What's the GPS got to do with this?

    5. Re:Read the report by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      Checking the equipment he was supposed to have serviced confirms it. What's the GPS got to do with this?

      They are probably jerks themselves sticking their noses into their employees whereabouts - control vs trust. It says more about the management than the employees.

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    6. Re:Read the report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PDA, iPhone whatever.
      Know that employers can remotely read everything or wipe the unit. Smarter employers can activate the mike and camera to see what else you get up to.

      Yeah, fraud sealed it, but without fraud he may have had a point. There are several FAKE GPS apps to wipe the smile off an employer device.
      If you get hold of of the gps serial port, you could simulate teleporting and the like.

    7. Re:Read the report by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They are probably jerks themselves sticking their noses into their employees whereabouts - control vs trust. It says more about the management than the employees.

      Well there are a few industries that are fully tracked - truckers for example are fully tracked and their whereabouts are known to the dispatcher at all times. This is usually not a good thing (dispatchers hate truckers who "waste time"), though it does allow a customer to ask the trucking company where the truck is in case the loading dock is full.

      It also sometimes helps when the truck is hijacked, run off the road, or other emergency. Sometimes it happens without leaving a witness mark on the side of the road (especially in winter) so unless the dispatcher notices the signal is lost and where the last location pings were, no one might actually notice for days.

      I'm assuming this company did it so they can advise customers that a technician is coming around. Think of it this way - the employee gets a new route uploaded to his phone and GPS tracks his progress. The employee keeps the truck at his house and simply starts and ends the day at home - no need to commute to the office to pick up the work orders - they're automatically transmitted to the phone, and GPS tracks what's been done If he needs to return to the base for parts or supplies, it can be scheduled in when he's nearby. It's telecommuting for the new era - and anyone with a service agreement probably experienced it - the techs are located all around, probably their house having a stockpile of common parts and they're dispatched by phone to the busienss needing service. This way the techs are home when idle instead of just wasting time at some office everyone had to commute to.

    8. Re:Read the report by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      It is totally legitimate to not want to be tracked or surveilled constantly at almost every job at almost every time

      Not when an agreed part of your employment includes being tracked...

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    9. Re:Read the report by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You can not agree to stuff in a contract that is illegal.
      Well, you can agree, but the agreement is void.

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    10. Re:Read the report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because when an employee's meeting all goals and requirements, bosses don't just pile on more work.

      So the scenario you propose won't really exist for more than a half day.

    11. Re:Read the report by koavf · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. It is perfectly fine to not want to be tracked all the time. Whether or not it is okay to take measures to not be tracked is another thing and whether or not contracts like that should even be legal is another one as well.

    12. Re:Read the report by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The GPS was one of the ways they substantiated the claims. He's probably a union goon so firing him takes a LOT of evidence and effort, you could have enough evidence to be convicted for murder and still not have enough to fire someone on a union contract.

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    13. Re:Read the report by unrtst · · Score: 1

      The GPS was one of the ways they substantiated the claims.

      How so? The main point was that he blocked the signal, disabling it, so the GPS did not provide any evidence as to his location. All it provided was a lack of evidence, which raised suspicion, and got people to look closer. For evidence, the rest of what was going on is what nailed him.
      Again, what's the GPS got to do with it?

  8. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the boss can do whatever he wants

  9. Golf on company time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sorry but that is senior managements responsibility, stick to sneaking naps at work like everyone else.

  10. Since When by DougDot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since when did you have to be "an experienced electrician" to know that Mylar blocks a device's GPS radio?

    Maybe Slashdot should have hired an experienced editor to write the summary.

    1. Re:Since When by GuB-42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is the reverse: you don't need to be an experienced electrician to know, but being an experienced electrician means you most certainly know.
      It means that he can't feign ignorance.

      Also, while it is a well known fact that metal blocks radio waves, there are some details you need to know in order to use this technique effectively.

    2. Re:Since When by Known+Nutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      being an experienced electrician means you most certainly know.

      No, it doesn't.

      I work with plenty of electricians -- both inside wiremen and outside linemen. I can say with near certainty that perhaps 20% -- maybe 30% -- of those would understand that a Mylar bag would block GPS.

      Most electricians and linemen understand the mechanics (pull cable, cut/bend conduit, set poles, drill holes, terminate wire where the drawing says to, etc etc...) much more then they understand electrical theory. When discussing arc flash and upstream breaker fault clearing times with them, for example, I get that blank stare much more often than not.

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    3. Re:Since When by mysidia · · Score: 1

      It is the reverse: you don't need to be an experienced electrician to know, but being an experienced electrician means you most certainly know.

      Do you? Electricians work on electrical wiring, they're not EM experts. It would be different if he was Electrical Engineer.

    4. Re:Since When by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Since when did you have to be "an experienced electrician" to know that Mylar blocks a device's GPS radio?

      Mylar doesn't. Metal does, so foil coated mylar does.

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    5. Re:Since When by DougDot · · Score: 1

      Mylar does. You must not be an experienced electrician.

      https://www.electricsense.com/...

    6. Re:Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when does blocking the radio signal constitute "preventing the PDA from working properly". The PDA simply continues to retry until it gets a signal. It was designed to do that, and it was working perfectly.

    7. Re:Since When by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Cheaper to just get a cheap polyester leisure suit. Or polar fleece sweater.

    8. Re:Since When by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Since when did you have to be "an experienced electrician" to know that Mylar blocks a device's GPS radio?

      It doesn't. Mylar is just plastic. Won't do a damn thing to your GPS radio. It's the metallic film which blocks the GPS signal, not the mylar.

    9. Re:Since When by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      Since when did you have to be "an experienced electrician" to know that Mylar blocks a device's GPS radio?

      When it comes to RF, straight-up Mylar doesn't block shit, at least not until you get into much, much higher frequencies than GPS. Metallized Mylar, on the other hand, will cause some serious signal attenuation.

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    10. Re:Since When by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      When discussing arc flash and upstream breaker fault clearing times with them, for example, I get that blank stare much more often than not.

      If they don't understand arc flash then they should damned well sue their schools / instructors / mentors. Without that awareness they probably stand facing a breaker as they're pulling the lever to open it, and could be burned, blinded, or killed if there's a fault. Number One Rule - stand BESIDE the breaker with your face turned away before you pull the switch!

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    11. Re:Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My original reaction was similiar to yours, that mylar can’t make a Faraday cage. The editor should have mentioned it is REFLECTIVE mylar, which does block/reflect EM waves.

    12. Re:Since When by Known+Nutter · · Score: 3, Informative

      If they don't understandarc flash then they should damned well sue their schools / instructors / mentors. Without that awareness they probably stand facing a breaker as they're pulling the lever to open it, and could be burned, blinded, or killed if there's a fault. Number One Rule - stand BESIDE the breaker with your face turned away before you pull the switch!

      I appreciate what you're saying. Please remember, though, there is a huge divide between having awareness of arc flash and understanding arc flash. They all all aware that they need to stand to the side when opening/closing a breaker because that's how they were trained. Most may be aware of why they should. Fewer, though, understand how to determine the level of incident energy they would be exposed to should something go wrong. Available fault current and clearing time upstream being two examples of a multitude of factors that most do not understand because they simply weren't trained. They are mechanics first, electricians second. Part of what I do is help them get to a level beyond awareness.

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    13. Re:Since When by DougDot · · Score: 1

      Here, let me google that for you:

      "does mylar block rf"

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      Ok, everybody, you can put your tinfoil hats back on.

    14. Re:Since When by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      GPS is pretty weak, and it doesn't take much to block it. You can PROBABLY even find a happy medium of just enough interference to block GPS without blocking cellular, if you're careful enough and do some experimenting. Or you can open your phone, identify the GPS antenna, and damage it.

      No matter what, though, you can't hide your general area as that can be triangulated from the cell towers you're hitting.

      If you really don't want your whereabouts known... don't carry a cell phone that can be associated with you.

    15. Re:Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is the reverse: you don't need to be an experienced electrician to know, but being an experienced electrician means you most certainly know.

      Do you? Electricians work on electrical wiring, they're not EM experts. It would be different if he was Electrical Engineer.

      And they apparentlyly never saw the little Faraday cages you can get to put your wallet or phone in that are advertised on Television.

      this is not some esoteric or arcane thing that only a few people know.

    16. Re:Since When by Cederic · · Score: 1

      can say with near certainty that perhaps 20% -- maybe 30% -- of those would understand that a Mylar bag would block GPS.

      1 - I had to look up Mylar because I've never heard of it. So count me in the 70-80% from the outset
      2 - Mylar is plastic. I would assume that a plastic I've never heard of will not stop electromagnetic radiation. Guess I'm still in the 70-80%
      3 - Turns out Mylar is polyester. Right now I'd be sacking any fucking electrician in the 20-30% that thinks you can build a working faraday cage out of polyester

      Maybe you should clarify on whether the Mylar bag is actually a metal foil bag that's just using Mylar for added strength, gas/moisture barrier purposes and/or electrical resistivity.

      Me, I'm still in the 70-80%, confused to hell why a Mylar bag would block GPS.

    17. Re: Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but being an electrician isn't a guarantee that they even know what a faraday cage is.
      It's like assuming the cable guy knows stuff about broadcasting...
      He might, but probably it's just a job and he just works on wires.

    18. Re:Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mylar doesn't. Mylar is a non-conductive plastic. The 'mylar' used in that article is coated with a very thin layer of aluminum. It's the aluminum that blocks GPS, not the mylar.

    19. Re:Since When by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Maybe a material that's been around under the same trade name since the 50's is common knowledge to more people than you apparently think.

      And even though DuPont insists that Mylar is the brand name for the plastic film itself, it's been used colloquially to mean metal deposited on plastic film for almost its entire existence.

    20. Re:Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is only reporting accurately what was said. The bit about the "experienced electrician" was said by the magistrate of the commission that found him guilty.

    21. Re:Since When by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Since when did you have to be "an experienced electrician" to know that Mylar blocks a device's GPS radio?

      Maybe Slashdot should have hired an experienced editor to write the summary.

      Going for the funny mod but:

      a) That isn't from Slashdot but from TFA and
      b) The logical statement made isn't exclusive. For instance an English major would quickly pick up on the fact that you failed to read an english sentence properly, but you don't need to be an english major to come up with that conclusion.

    22. Re: Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know the word/brand. To my defence I'm a French speaker from Belgium.
      On another hand I assumed it was about these plastic wrappers with a shiny metallic inside. (Farraday cages are common knowledge, aren't they?)

    23. Re:Since When by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually I don't believe that Mylar (I knew what it is) is blocking radio signals.
      A device put into a bag deep enough might not be able to receive GPS signals, but sending to home base (aka a mobile phone connecting to a tower) is most certainly not blocked by a bag made from polyester ...

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    24. Re:Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just polyester in this case, it's *metallized* polyester. Like one of those shiny chips bags, or a thermal blanket. Since it has a conductive surface, it will strongly attenuate RF.

    25. Re:Since When by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Mylar does. You must not be an experienced electrician.

      https://www.electricsense.com/...

      Like I said, foil coated (or metallised---same thing) does. It has to be coated in conductive metal because Mylar on its own does not block RF.

      That page you showed me links to foil coated mylar. Mylar is a variant of PET plastic and is unconductive and so a completely ineffective shield.

      --
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    26. Re:Since When by Megol · · Score: 1

      Most people that _do_ understand the theory wouldn't directly know that fact either. Because it isn't relevant to their work (or interests) and not verified.

      I would still not consider a bag of chips a safe way to shield something even after reading this (and similar) stories. If it doesn't really matter if something is shielded or not, sure it could work. Otherwise?

      . How consistent is the metal layer produced? Will there be pinholes?
      . How thick is the metal layer?
      . How large gaps will the welded seams of the bag have?

    27. Re:Since When by Megol · · Score: 1

      Mylar = plastic.

      Experienced electricians tend to be technical people. Technical people like being accurate (at least while discussing technical matter).

    28. Re:Since When by sinij · · Score: 1

      I am not an electrician, but would be curious to read your explanations of this.

    29. Re:Since When by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      Don't have time this morning, but anything you can read on NFPA 70E will be a good start. You can read the entirety of the 70E standard online at nfpa.org for free.

      Good example of a Energized Electrical Safe Work Practices program here, although its somewhat dated, it is a good representation:

      https://www.csuci.edu/publicsa...

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    30. Re:Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can say, as an MSEE, that I wouldn't have been certain that Mylar would be enough to block out the signal. Certainly not certain enough to risk my job on it.

    31. Re: Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that. Now I want a reflective Mylar hat.

    32. Re:Since When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bags are not Faraday cages. A Faraday cage has a connection to earth ground. The bags just block some radio signals. For instance, a foil bag will not block cell phone signals - try putting your phone in a foil bag and calling it.

    33. Re:Since When by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should clarify on whether the Mylar bag is actually a metal foil bag that's just using Mylar for added strength, gas/moisture barrier purposes and/or electrical resistivity.

      Mylar is (generically) metal coated plastic film - I'm sure DuPont has a specific meaning for it, but that's what people refer to as Mylar. It is rarely used to refer to uncoated film itself. .

      If you've ever seen party balloons, keep they away from power lines, because you can see plenty of examples of them shorting out the low voltage power lines all over YouTube. That's the balloon contacting the power lines and the plastic is so thin that it's not an insulating barrier, so it's effectively forming a short and thus sparking.

      You also see them in as snack bags where the plastic seals air in and the metal layer protects against light.

      Either way, it forms a fairly effective faraday cage.

      And yes, anti-static bags are sometimes mistakenly referred to as mylar bags from time to time.

  11. probably impractical by swell · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your phone will try to connect to wifi & cell towers. It will try HARD. It will drain the battery rapidly. At least that's what my phone did when I traveled to a very remote area. It got very hot and drained a full battery in less than two hours. It was an older model, YMMV.

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    1. Re:probably impractical by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Airplane mode"

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    2. Re:probably impractical by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 1

      I swear by this thing: https://play.google.com/store/... Shame it doesn't have much higher reviews, but there are a lot of ignorant people misusing it out there.

      --
      +Raider of the lost BBS
    3. Re:probably impractical by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Switch off...

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    4. Re:probably impractical by antdude · · Score: 1

      That is why I always disable cellular, wifi, location, etc. on my iPhone 4S. It lasts way longer. I will enable them when needed.

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    5. Re:probably impractical by sconeu · · Score: 1

      At which point you don't need the mylar bag.

      --
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    6. Re:probably impractical by Shimbo · · Score: 1

      "Airplane mode"

      Surely you can't be serious,

    7. Re:probably impractical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't a phone.

      It was a PDA, and if it was tracking your location, it was probably also tracking when it was turned on, turned off, or put into airplane mode.

    8. Re:probably impractical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Airplane mode"

      Surely you can't be serious,

      I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

    9. Re:probably impractical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Airplane mode"

      Surely you can't be serious,

      I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.

  12. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "your position has been eliminated and their is no severence keep quiet or we talk about your extended vacation in the news"

    Because most people don't have the sort of of job or visibility that the media would care?

    No, this company did what most companies due... fire an employee who is egregiously breaking the rules for cause.

  13. I got hired in his place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got hired in his place. Productivity went up 1000% because I don't golf. Thanks for getting your dumb ass fired, now I have an income. Good luck.

  14. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except when the company is really violating employment law, then equity requires recompense.

  15. Re:There's a little Trump in all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Look! You can't just go around telling people things they don't want to hear! It doesn't matter how true it is! People are comfortable in their ignorance and don't want you rocking the boat...

    But yes, we are all little "trumps", all stealing paperclips. Just another reason he won the election, and will probably win the next one, considering the feeble, non-existent opposition. Hardly a good reflection on the people who vote, is it?

  16. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishment

    Or, rather, he Cheetos the system ...

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    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  17. Re:There's a little Trump in all of us. by rwven · · Score: 0

    Wherein an anonymous coward has a conversation with himself...

  18. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by rmdingler · · Score: 2

    No, this company did what most companies due... fire an employee who is egregiously breaking the rules for cause.

    Right. Calling Cheetos "Twisties"... What's next? Kleenex is just folded shit tickets in a pretty cardboard dispenser?

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    Ernest Hemingway

  19. Strewth! by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Blue ruin, what a bloomin' bludger!

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    1. Re:Strewth! by sheramil · · Score: 2

      Blue ruin, what a bloomin' bludger!

      Mate, you're tryin' too hard. No need to go spacko.

  20. Additional information by tgibson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Finding the article lacking, I did a little more digging and found some reviews of Twisties.

    1. Re:Additional information by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Looks like they really shit the bed huh

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    2. Re:Additional information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how do they compare to Bovril, Hungry Jacks, Melba Toast, Vegemite, and Solo?

  21. ALL THAT and a bag of chips... by jtara · · Score: 1

    ... said tinfoil hat wearers everywhere.

  22. A Faraday cage requires a ground. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can't have a Faraday cage without grounding it. While this foil wrapper did work, it's only because GPS signals are very, very weak.

    1. Re: A Faraday cage requires a ground. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. I was thinking exactly the same thing, but it took another AC to recognise that it most certainly was not a Faraday cage.

    2. Re:A Faraday cage requires a ground. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you can.

    3. Re:A Faraday cage requires a ground. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can do anything if you try hard enough.

    4. Re: A Faraday cage requires a ground. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farraday cages do not need to be grounded.
      (And even if they did, I doubt the bag was in a non - conductive protection)

    5. Re:A Faraday cage requires a ground. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Proper news for nerd discussion. No - it doesn't have to be grounded. Not grounding will cause a charge on the internal face but the external electromagnetic field still can't propagate.

    6. Re:A Faraday cage requires a ground. by Megol · · Score: 2

      No grounding required.

  23. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    What you did there, I saw it.

    --
    I tend to rant.
  24. Not working is a lot of work by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    He worked so hard at not working.

  25. Humans are cattle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Humans are cattle.

    Where's your transponder?

  26. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Poster is unaware of the existence of a larger world outside of the United States. Everyone else please take care to only discuss the outside world elsewhere lest poster is be shocked by the sudden revelation.

  27. A better way to do this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Strap that GPS-Tracking PDA to your dog at home. Works every time.

    1. Re:A better way to do this... by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 2

      Because running around your backyard instead of doing your work is somehow better than playing golf?

  28. It's all just a misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He was fully forthcoming to his managers when he said he was going out faraday.

  29. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by rmdingler · · Score: 3

    Poster is unaware of the existence of a larger world outside of the United States.

    Though we sometimes may appear larger than life, in both our accomplishments and our embarrassments, fewer of us believe we're actually a planet than are members of the Flat Earth Society... although to be fair, any membership in those particular clubs is a bit of a black eye.

    Everyone else please take care to only discuss the outside world elsewhere lest poster is be shocked by the sudden revelation.

    Neither irony nor sarcasm is clever argument.

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    Ernest Hemingway

  30. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    Not in Australia, they can't.

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    sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
  31. Science! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://vimeo.com/70051022

  32. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it. Why didn't he just use Airplane mode? What would really be news is if someone goes a few months on Airplane mode and gets convicted of doing crimes because they were the only one in the area without their human tracking device functioning!

  33. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Using a chip bag as a faraday cage to block your employer's tracking device from communicating with satellites in order to goof off isn't interesting to you?

    Turn in your nerd badge immediately. And don't try to snack-bag your way out of this one.

    Seriously, what the fuck? Are slashdotters so miserable that we're more interested in cheering someone getting punished than an amusing hack?

  34. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, what the fuck? Are slashdotters so miserable that we're more interested in cheering someone getting punished than an amusing hack?

    Posting AC to avoid burning modded posts.

    Yes, altogether too many Slashdotters er bitter-ass gits. Where we were once home to technologists, we are mostly just pissed off trolls now who worship 1950.

  35. Airplane mode by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't that have been easier?

  36. Manager should have just checked the golf course by Que_Ball · · Score: 1

    So I see they spent a bunch of time and effort looking at records for PDA and security gates and cell towers etc.
    But it seems like the pattern wasn't too hard to predict.

    Why not just catch him at the golf course the next time?

  37. Re:There's a little Trump in all of us. by omnichad · · Score: 2

    Conservatives aren't snowflakes

    You're right. Snowflakes are unique - parroting does not make your perspective either unique or interesting.

  38. Grandpa May Have A New Job by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Grandpa basically "McGivers" a device, and gets fired? And does anyone think Security businesses haven't stopped eating their soup and are steering?

  39. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because it's Australia. Unconditional sacking isn't legal here.

  40. Re: There's a little Trump in all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speak for yourself. Self respect, integrity and honour still means something to many people.

  41. Re: person cheats system, gets caught, pays punish by Reverend+Green · · Score: 2

    Lick those boots!

  42. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He can always plead that he thought it was supposed to be in that mode to work properly. Toggles seem to be notoriously hard to design so as not to create confusion as to which state it is in.

  43. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HERETIC!

  44. Now available for safety purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Http://eyesaheadsafety.com, handily located in Australia...

  45. Why do I have that feeling... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    ...that the main reason he was found out was that his boss saw him playing golf because he himself was playing golf during work hours...

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  46. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by niftydude · · Score: 1

    Twisties are orders of magnitude better than Cheetos.

    Source: have eaten both.

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    You can never know everything, and part of what you do know will always be wrong. Perhaps even the most important part.
  47. Two issues by xenobyte · · Score: 2

    First issue is tracking employees without individual consent. Here I find it perfectly okay to use anti-tracking means.
    Second issue is the employee playing golf 140 times on company time. That is not okay.

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  48. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, even though I'm a true AC, I think I'm going to start off all my posts with "Posting AC because I modded".

    Posted AC because I've modded in on this story.

  49. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by deathguppie · · Score: 2

    This is about as true as it gets. This site used to be a very educated place where people would post actual informative concepts and ideas. It used to be fun. Recently I've been modded down for literally mentioning that the FCC's job is to regulate communications. I don't even know why I would have to tell someone that or why I would lose points for mentioning it.. but there you go.

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  50. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poster is unaware of the existence of a larger world outside of the United States. Everyone else please take care to only discuss the outside world elsewhere lest poster is be shocked by the sudden revelation.

    If you're using Kleenex to wipe your ass then you're doing it wrong.

  51. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by sinij · · Score: 1

    /. isn't hip enough to attract younger crowd, and existing readership is getting older. People get curmudgeonly with age, and this is precisely what is happening here.

    Now get off my lawn!

  52. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by mjwx · · Score: 1

    No, this company did what most companies due... fire an employee who is egregiously breaking the rules for cause.

    Right. Calling Cheetos "Twisties"... What's next? Kleenex is just folded shit tickets in a pretty cardboard dispenser?

    Having had both Cheetos and Twisties (Cheetos are also available in Australia) they are completely different types of snacks. Different density, texture, flavour the lot.

    Secondly, "Kleenex" is a name of a brand of tissues, not toilet paper. People outisde of the US rarely use generic brand names, a "Kleenex" is a tissue, when you need to blow your nose, you use a tissue because there are many different brands and we speak English out here.

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  53. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worship 1951, you insensitive clod!

  54. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was more interesting when I saw Gene Hackman do it nearly 20 years ago.

  55. This is why we can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of over thinking here. The guy is a thief, he stole from his employer and being fired is the correct result. He should have to pay restitution. Yes the Mylar bag is a slightly whimsical hack that probably many didn't know, but really who cares. Tracking people is demeaning but it's people like this that force employers to do this.

    I once had an ATT service person claim to come to my house, though they didn't claim to come during the schedule time, didn't leave an "I was here note", and didn't show at all because I was there all day. I was livid when I talked with ATT and I hope that person with fired, because they wasted my whole day.

    I also work with several employees that don't do their jobs. Since I am the chief engineer this introduces an unnecessary level of stress into my life, it also makes the good employees life more difficult and potentially puts the project and their jobs at risk. It also causes management to treat employees worse overall.

    I have only disgust for these people's actions, they hurt other people, and make the world a less trusting place.

  56. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

    I for one enjoyed reading the summary. I kept thinking to myself was it the same bag over and over or was he really piling the crumbs on this device? Did he simply leave the device in the bag 24/7... or did he just put it in there whenever he wanted time off. I guess I'm off to read the article.

  57. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by fafalone · · Score: 1

    If people detect your post as an argument going against the groupthink, it now gets modded troll/flamebait regardless of being factually accurate and logically consistent. Good debate used to get modded up even in disagreement; not anymore. And if you think it's bad here you should see what the moderation is like on ArsTechnica these days.

  58. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

    No it wasn't, that movie was shit.

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  59. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The projection is strong with this one.

  60. slander? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    after reading the pdf, OPs remarks seem slanderous. played golf more than 140 times=false.

  61. Re:There's a little Trump in all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pence will pardon Trump, and Trump will be back 2020. Assuming the Senate has the balls to impeach Trump before his term is up.

  62. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    I actually RTFA and the judgement by the arbiter too.
    Yes, it was mildly interesting, but TFS made it sound more like a termination rant rather than a clever hack.

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  63. Re: There's a little Trump in all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, well, too bad none of them vote.

  64. Re: There's a little Trump in all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh! So sorry, did my PDA fall into my bag of chips again?

  65. Shouldnt we rather be outraged about the tracking? by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

    Just saying ... if my employer wanted to track me in a similar way I'd go work for someone else.

  66. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we are mostly just pissed off trolls now who worship 1950.

    So, Republicans?

  67. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes it was, but still more interesting than this. This guy didn't even fondle Will Smith in an elevator.

  68. Software settings do not have to be honored. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Software settings do not have to be honored.

  69. Re: There's a little Trump in all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HUUUUURRRRR!!!! RUSSSSSIIIIAAAAAN BOOOOOOOOOOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DERPADERPADERP!

    lameness filter is lame.
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  70. Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think lots of places use brand names generically.

    Hoover?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks

    1. Re: Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We call them vacuum cleaners in Australia.

    2. Re: Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you use textas?

  71. Re: There's a little Trump in all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh well if captain obvious says so, then it must be true.

    Where did you study TV diagnonsense again?

  72. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get rekt ya poofta. Twisties are the shit! Can you get chicken-flavoured Cheetos?

  73. error detection and correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it sounds like his work was non-BS maintenance, that he wasn't actually doing. He was slacking off instead of working while telling his employer he was doing the work.

    Next thing you know you're working at Equifax and instead of installing security updates, you went golfing.

    Right, but still, the idiocy is policy based an assumption of papal infallability, or in this case, the fallability of some dude.

  74. hashtag cyberslavery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First issue is tracking employees without individual consent.

    Hashtag: I used to be a libertarian, then I saw what the market led to. Hardcore libertarians are basically ok with endentured (bankruptcy law?) servitude quasi-slavery.

    Have enough money- buy yourself a quasi-slave with tracking device unable to be removed or disabled by the trackee. Not the kind of society I would tolerate living in.

  75. Re: person cheats system, gets caught, pays punish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chicken flavored??? I need this in my life.

  76. Moral of story by callahan2211 · · Score: 1

    Don't tell employer how you store your tracking device.

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  77. Re:person cheats system, gets caught, pays punishm by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    i give the guy A+ for creativity ... i'd let him off with a warning ... but just once ... creative minds are hard to find

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  78. Re: There's a little Trump in all of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a little Trump in all of us, but he's inside of you even moreso if you have a pussy.

  79. Re: person cheats system, gets caught, pays punis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many things that taste like chicken. "Chicken" Twisties aren't one of them.