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Health Risks To Farmworkers Increase As Workforce Ages (npr.org)

An anonymous reader shares an NPR report: More than 90 percent of California's crop workers were born in Mexico. But in recent years, fewer have migrated to the U.S., according to the U.S. Department of Labor. Researchers point to a number of causes: tighter border controls; higher prices charged by smugglers; well-paying construction jobs and a growing middle-class in Mexico that doesn't want to pick vegetables for Americans. As a result, the average farmworker is now 45 years old, according to federal government data. Harvesting U.S. crops has been left to an aging population of farmworkers whose health has suffered from decades of hard labor. Older workers have a greater chance of getting injured and of developing chronic illnesses, which can raise the cost of workers' compensation and health insurance.

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  1. Thanks captain obvious?! by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd be more surprised if industries that required hard physical labor did NOT result in more health risks as people age. Like firefighting or mining. Will slashdot post an informative article about the increasing costs of health benefits of professional skateboarders when they get around 45?!
    Watch me do this half pipe - ooops there goes me dentures!

    1. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I guess they didn't make the important part obvious enough: you are going to be paying for that increased price.

      And it's at least partly due to an insistence we increase border security to keep out undocumented workers from stealing jobs. Jobs, it turns out, that no one wants but need to be done in order for us all to not starve.

    2. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      an insistence we increase border security to keep out undocumented workers

      It is likely that increased border security keeps UDWs in rather than out. When border security is loose, UDWs can move back and forth easily, and often leave their families back home in Mexico, where the cost of living is lower. With tighter security, that is not possible, so they all come across and stay.

      Before the latest crackdown, net migration from Mexico was negative. More people were returning for improved job opportunities in Mexico.

    3. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by WrongMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you are going to be paying for that increased price

      No we won't. If the cost to harvest certain crops in the US becomes prohibitive, we'll just import from some cheaper country. Or we'll switch to crops are that more amenable to mechanical harvesting.

    4. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by magarity · · Score: 1

      professional skateboarders when they get around 45?!
      Watch me do this half pipe - ooops there goes me dentures!

      Ahem, dentures at 45 won't be from getting being a mere 45 but because of being a skateboarder.
      Dang ageist kid.

    5. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      This story suggests that isn't going to work out in our favor for long.

    6. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by tsqr · · Score: 2

      I guess they didn't make the important part obvious enough: you are going to be paying for that increased price.

      And it's at least partly due to an insistence we increase border security to keep out undocumented workers from stealing jobs. Jobs, it turns out, that no one wants but need to be done in order for us all to not starve.

      It says here that raising the wages of produce pickers to $15/hour would cost American households an extra $20 per year. If that's true, I wouldn't expect an uprising over increased produce prices due to increased farmworker wages.

    7. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Costs will have to rise much faster for that to happen.

      If you like citizens better than non-citiziens, I guess I'd ask why. They're people, we're people, where you're born should make about as much difference as your sign.

      But that's beside the point. This is what we eat. Run this experiment for nationalism on an industry less vital than food. Try it with the restaurant industry first? See if getting rid of undocumented workers makes wages rise enough that comparatively lazy citizens will bus tables enough for the industry to survive.

    8. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      You're talking about simply outsourcing or switching over a significant chunk of the US economy.

      Sourcing the oil we need is a national security nightmare. You're talking about decreasing our national independence.

      Costs will rise with either outcome you suggested, and it will affect every breathing american.

      To top it all off, we'd be doing this not out of necessity, we'd be doing this for no reason beyond "LOL, fuck you mexicans!"

    9. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to wager that a lifetime of sedentary behavior leads to more health risks than hard labor. the average office drone at 45 is a walking corpse.

    10. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      Every goddam marketing firm in, literally, the whole fucking US says you're wrong.

      We want cheap stuff and fuck the issues.

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    11. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2
      Look at the pie charts in your own link. The stuff that has to be hand picked, ie fruits and vegetables, is only 11% of the agricultural sector. Which, in turn, is only 12.6% of consumer expenditures. Many crops have already moved past hand-picking; its not unreasonable for other crops to adapt.

      Its really you who is trying to fuck over mexicans. No one should have to suffer a lifetime of debilitating manual labor just so you can have some strawberries in your Cheerios.

    12. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by mikael · · Score: 1

      They have automated the driving of mining trucks. The human drivers are now located in air-conditioned offices, ready to take over if something goes wrong:

      https://www.oemoffhighway.com/...

      They are making mining equipment like drills and rock crushers remotely operated. Same with the cranes used to load containers into ships
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      https://www.ericsson.com/en/pu...

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    13. Re:Thanks captain obvious?! by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

      I guess they didn't make the important part obvious enough: you are going to be paying for that increased price.

      And it's at least partly due to an insistence we increase border security to keep out undocumented workers from stealing jobs. Jobs, it turns out, that no one wants but need to be done in order for us all to not starve.

      There is no shortage of people who want these jobs. Come to the central valley of California and see for yourself.

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  2. Well....send'em back... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Send'em back before they start becoming a drag on our already overstressed welfare system.

    And for all the US folks that can't seem to get a job after being on the dole for a couple years, let's start "farming" them out to the picking jobs, eh?

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    1. Re:Well....send'em back... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      "The," is "us," you insensitive clod.

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    2. Re:Well....send'em back... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Well let's be honest. If things were like they were back in the 1980's and early 90's when I worked during the summer(and late fall for tobacco harvest) on a farm, you'd see more people doing it. Back then you were paid an hourly rate. Now you're paid based on weight that you pick. It was the state and provincial governments of the day that allowed it to happen because the big corporate farms started crying "but we can't pay them an actual wage..." so the laws were changed to weight. Then they cried "but people don't want to work for that little!" And the laws were changed again allowing them to import labor.

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  3. Quit subsidizing farmers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You want this problem fixed? Get the government out of farming; they're subsidizing the old guard, rather than letting that old guard come to the conclusion that they need to sell their assets to someone who is more capable.

    1. Re:Quit subsidizing farmers by Slugster · · Score: 1

      The problem with ending farming subsidies is that it's the main way to push federal dollars into states that mainly do a lot of farming,,, and not much else.
      You'd have to get farming state congressmen on board, and good luck with that.

      And really--there is a lot of work going on to make produce-picking robots now. Farm labor is a job that deserves to be killed, quite frankly. It is much worse than typical factory assembly-line work.

  4. Europe's already dealt with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    they've reconfigured their farms to make picking easier. Things like planting in a way so that you don't have to bend over as much. That plus their more generous subsidies for the poor, better education systems leading to higher wages in general and stronger Unions have kept food prices in check relative to wages.

    I suspect you'll start to see at least some of this in the US (minus the educations & Unions, we don't seem to like those anymore). Our government will push it through. You'd be surprised how tightly regulated and controlled our food supply is. It's like what Mao and Stalin would have done if instead of being idiotic psychopaths they'd just put real agricultural scientists in charge.

    1. Re:Europe's already dealt with this by tquasar · · Score: 1

      US farms used hoes and other tools that were only two feet or half a meter long forcing the workers to stoop while working. http://picturethis.museumca.or... Conditions have improved as more harvesting is automated but crops like grapes and others must be harvested by hand.

    2. Re:Europe's already dealt with this by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      Contrast that to the US where Libertarian principles are at the helm, the best tax package in history for US citizens is about to get passed, the US stock market is at its highest ever, and there is full employment.

      Lets see - a minimum trillion dollar increase in the deficit - solid Libertarian principle there! And the Tax Policy Center finds that the richest 1 percent of Americans would reap 48% of the benefits (they pay 36% of Federal taxes). Yep. That sounds Libertarian alright.

      Oddly, 10 months ago when it was those lousy Socialist principles at the helm, we also had the highest U.S. stock market ever, and full employment.

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    3. Re:Europe's already dealt with this by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      crops like grapes and others must be harvested by hand.

      20 years ago, you had to pick strawberries and blueberries by hand too. These days you don't. You don't even need to pick grapes by hand unless you're in the ice wine business, you can buy the equipment to automate most grape harvesting too. Brand new machines can be picked up for around $500k, used(2-3yrs old) on the market as low as $40k.

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  5. Er, what? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm wait, I thought it was all robots, all the time? The employment problem was caused by robots?

    So there are human jobs that need to be filled, then? And which were being filled by illegals? Oh, you don't say? Really?

    1. Re:Er, what? by gtall · · Score: 2

      Time is an important concept. The threat of robots and AI is in the future, which will be here sooner than you'd like.

  6. Where's the story? by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    This happens for the entire workforce. Move along, nothing to see/read here.

  7. This is news? by blindseer · · Score: 1

    It sucks to be poor. Getting old tends to lead to getting sick. Hard labor is hard on the body. Health care can be expensive, especially when people delay their care. None of this is news.

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  8. Not surprising, on several fronts by ErichTheRed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This would happen whether or not the workers were foreign or domestic. One thing that a lot of people who advocate for gutting retirement and disability benefits don't get is that different jobs age people differently. Even skilled jobs that are more physical in nature tend to wreck people's bodies...think about an electrician crawling around everywhere or a plumber. So, it is very possible that someone is disabled enough by the time they're in their 40s or 50s that they can't or don't want to do physical work anymore. Contrast that with your average office job where people can easily work into their 70s and beyond.

    The other thing the article mentions is that a growing domestic middle class means fewer young people are willing to risk coming here for unskilled farm work. Also not a surprise...and I wonder if this is coming to the offshore outsourcing market as well in other countries. As a population gets wealthier, parents tend to steer their kids into higher-paying professions and everyone ends up getting forced through some sort of secondary education. I grew up in a reasonably blue-collar town, and even in the early 90s it was very rare to have a new high school grad just walk down to the nearest factory or farm and punch in for a lifetime of work. 50 years ago, there wouldn't be the "shame" of doing a blue-collar physical job, and students were separated into vocational and academic tracks. Apply this to somewhere like India where hundreds of thousands of new grads are looking for work...do they beg and grovel to work for IBM or Accenture or (insert US company's India development house here), or do they go after domestic work for Indian companies? Just a while back, a job with a US outsourcer was a big prize...less so now.

    Now the question is what to do...either raise food prices, raise wages and offer better working conditions, or invent robots to handle the notoriously hard to automate task of harvesting food.

  9. Re:The typic of the one true house. by ichthus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not seeing what the fuss is about.

    ...Or, more to the point,

    *clears throat*

    Why the FUCK THIS IS ON SLASHDOT.

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  10. Driving out to the barrios... by Blaede · · Score: 1

    ....trying to find day workers to pick their artisan heirloom tomatoes.

  11. U-Pick Farms by WrongMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Some small farms already have this solved. Get hipsters to drive out to your farm, pick their own food, and charge them for the privilege of doing it. Sell them some bottled water to drink in the fields while they're at it.

    1. Re:U-Pick Farms by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Capitalism, baby!

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    2. Re:U-Pick Farms by gtall · · Score: 1

      Really? Do you have any conception of the scale of farming? Getting enough doofus hipsters into your fields so they can destroy the plants they are picking food off isn't exactly a bright concept. But I'll bet it works really well for a few acres a "farmer" doesn't care about.

  12. Re:Irrelevant to Slashdot by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    ^^^ This. And can we please find a job for msmash on another web site? Perhaps far, far away from SlashDot?

  13. Older workers have more health issues by mschuyler · · Score: 2

    News at 11.

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  14. Summary Leaves Out the Single Biggest Factor by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

    All of the listed reasons for the drying up a pool of young illegal-immigrant farm workers for those Trump-voting farmers to illegally employ for profit are valid.

    But the most important reason is not mentioned.

    Demographics.

    The birth rate in Mexico is now below the replacement rate, as it is in the U.S.

    The average (and median) age of illegal border crossers is 20. So a border-crosser today was born in 1997 when the fertility rate in Mexico had already plunged 60%. So the oversupply of young people willing to give up their society and family to live on the margins in the U.S. has disappeared and is not ever coming back.

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  15. Re:What happened to the young farmers by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

    From the original Washington Post article:

    The number of young farmers entering the field is nowhere near enough to replace the number exiting, according to the USDA: Between 2007 and 2012, agriculture gained 2,384 farmers between ages 25 and 34 — and lost nearly 100,000 between 45 and 54.

    So the number may be increasing, as opposed to decreasing, as it has over the last 70 years, but the number is tiny. Over a five year period the number was 2384, or about 475 per year, (there are about 2 million farmers in the U.S.) and only 2% of the number of U.S. farmers leaving the business during the same period.

    Adding 0.1% to the U.S. farm population over five years, during which time it actually lost 5% of its famers, is insignificant.

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  16. Drought wasn't ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... listed?

    It's kind of a big deal.

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  17. Re:Stay out of my way, you imaginationless Vogon. by psycho12345 · · Score: 1

    Or maybe he is just stating history. Ever heard of banana republics? They found it was vastly more profitable to sell fruits and such to foreigners (like the US) then feed their people.

  18. Machines. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    It's about time we developed cheap machines to do this work. Seriously, we have the knowledge to make soft robotic pickers for any type of fruits or vegetable. We have the technology, it's time to start putting it to good use.

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