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Air Pollution Harm To Unborn Babies May Be Global Health Catastrophe, Warn Doctors (theguardian.com)

Air pollution significantly increases the risk of low birth weight in babies, leading to lifelong damage to health, according to a large new study. From a report: The research was conducted in London, UK, but its implications for many millions of women in cities around the world with far worse air pollution are "something approaching a public health catastrophe," the doctors involved said. Globally, two billion children -- 90% of all children -- are exposed to air pollution above World Health Organization guidelines. A Unicef study also published on Wednesday found that 17 million babies suffer air six times more toxic than the guidelines. The team said that there are no reliable ways for women in cities to avoid chronic exposure to air pollution during pregnancy and called for urgent action from governments to cut pollution from vehicles and other sources.

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  1. fake news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something something denial, lizard people!

    1. Re:fake news! by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      If you take it there for 2 weeks and don't drive while you're there, you aren't emitting much in the way of pollutants.

    2. Re: fake news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    3. Re:fake news! by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Insightful

      While I commend your use of satire, and sarcasm. Sadly enough, I fear there are groups who believe this type of things. I often fear that I may had caused the Flat Earther movements myself, from a few Sarcastic comments I had made 20 years ago online, making fun of climate deniers, by making up some stupid scientific sounding explanation on why the world was flat. After Trump became president and the rise of the Flat Earther. I fear ever using Satire and Sarcasm publicly without a disclaimer would cause a new sense of horrors on the earth.

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    4. Re:fake news! by mikael · · Score: 1

      Given the weight problems of some people, if this planet is spherical, it will be flat by the time they are finished roaming around,

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    5. Re:fake news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think cayenne8 guessed your password.

    6. Re:fake news! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Air pollution in 1st world cities is much, much, much less of a problem than it used to be 20, 50 or even 100 years ago. The main reason is the switch from wood and coal to electricity and gas for cooking and heating (something that hasn't happened in many 3rd world cities, and still a major contributor to pollution there). The decline in power generation from coal has also helped.

      As for cars, modern vehicles emit a lot less particulates than old ones. Despite an increase in car ownership and usage, cars aren't even the number one contributor to particulates anymore in many places. If you want to improve air quality, in most cases it isn't cars that should be addressed first. The problem is not flat earthers denying the impact their vehicles have, but environmentalists tilting at the same old windmills instead of tackling actual major sources of air pollution. Though to be fair, in certain cities, older cars and especially 2 stroke mopeds certainly are part of the problem. And I'm speaking of particulate and carcinogenic emissions only of course, not greenhouse gases.

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    7. Re:fake news! by mspohr · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, for example, the UK is currently demonstrating that city air pollution causes increased deaths and disability from heart and lung disease that is as high as any "third world" country.
      Cars, busses, trucks are the main cause of pollution in the UK (and most cities around the world).

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    8. Re:fake news! by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      If the weight problems are severe enough, everything will eventually self-shape into a sphere again, due to the laws of physics.

    9. Re:fake news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You read it wrong. It takes 2 weeks to get in there.

      I see a lot of trucks on the road recently, none of them give a shit about monstrous toxic exhaust with carcinogenic particulate matter enough to kill a wild alien elephant, let alone a baby.

    10. Re:fake news! by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Despite an increase in car ownership and usage, cars aren't even the number one contributor to particulates anymore in many places.

      That's only half true. To summarize, the major cause of air pollution in many cities is when ammonia from farms combines with pollution from vehicles to form PM 2.5.

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    11. Re:fake news! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Are there statistics that separate pollution figures of heavy traffic (busses and trucks) from personal transportation (cars)? Because it's usually cars that get targetted by "green" measures.

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    12. Re:fake news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This says a lot of things aren't the problem, but doesn't give much in the way of proof. I like the part about, "it isn't cars that should be addressed first."

      I think we are well past the point we can afford to address things in order. Parallel tasking is required. Still one source I think we can on is really big ocean vessels like container ships. Can't we run those things off something a bit cleaner? They are horrible.

      Would LNG work? I'd guess you'd need a new engine, and a way to move massive amounts of liquid natural gas. At any rate, I found a link.

      Still even just using ordinary diesel fuel would be cleaner than that. Actually here is another link that suggests low sulfur. If the link is good, it would raise the price of things link but only a tiny amount, since shipping fuel is a fairly small part of the equation.

      Congress should pass a law forcing container ships doing business with the US to control pollution from their ships. Seriously, they should. It levels the playing field slightly since American companies can't pollute like that (nor should they), and it reduces global pollution a lot.

    13. Re:fake news! by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Lots more cars than trucks or busses. Lots more pollution from cars.

      Here's a good one:
      Diesel cars 10x more toxic than trucks and busses.
      https://www.theguardian.com/en...

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    14. Re:fake news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Particulates from a fireplace are considerably bigger and travel a shorter lenght than the ultrafine particles (less than a 1 micrometre), that are more common today.

  2. No surprises... by cayenne8 · · Score: 0, Troll
    I'm guessing the majority of these mothers with this problem are in the two most populous, and coincidentally most polluted of countries....China and India?

    I think this is just Mother Nature helping clean the pool a bit, with indirect help.

    Too many people.....not a good place to make more.

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    1. Re:No surprises... by tquasar · · Score: 0

      Thin the herd.

    2. Re:No surprises... by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think this is just Mother Nature helping clean the pool a bit

      We'll see if you feel the same when it's your child that is born with defects.

    3. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I think this is just Mother Nature helping clean the pool a bit

      We'll see if you feel the same when it's your child that is born with defects.

      Just check it in utero, and if any thing is wrong, kill it, right libs???

    4. Re:No surprises... by sycodon · · Score: 2

      That's the problem with these kinds of studies. They take the worst of the worst conditions and then try to apply the conclusions to planet as a whole.

      So, what they want to say is that my Power stroke Diesel Pickup should be outlawed because in China or India, pollution is crazy bad in densely populated cities.

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    5. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing the majority of these mothers with this problem are in the two most populous, and coincidentally most polluted of countries....China and India?

      The problem with air pollution is that many of the pollutants are migratory. There are some regions where it tends to settle, but even that is just a tendency.

      Depending on which toxin is the cause of this, it may be restricted to fallout near its point of origin, or it may reach your bedroom within 2 years.

    6. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice inflammatory post you've got there. It would be a shame if something happened to it. Like a reasonable discussion suddenly breaking out.

      Here's a start: New York City is an overpopulated hell-hole that needs to be torn down and mass evacuated so people aren't stacked up like cord wood. Anyone who enjoys living there is doing it wrong.

    7. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit man you spun that argument so fast the weather channel rated it as an EF-2.

      Come back when your not trying to make the other person a demon, or your willing to volunteer your home and resources to raising special needs children.

    8. Re:No surprises... by mikael · · Score: 1

      You only need to look at the pollution maps in rural areas. Green fields may only be two blocks away from the housing developments along the freeway and main surface roads, but the pollution on those streets is as a bad a major city.

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    9. Re:No surprises... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population." - from Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol

      These were very cold words from a very cold character that has come to epitomize callousness and indifference in the popular mind. Ebenezer Scrooge the money-lending, usury-gouging skinflint stands for everything that is wrong with your kind of comment, but there it is modded up to +3. Shame, Slashdot, shame. If endorsing the villian of a Dickens book doesn't grab you as shameful, rest assured that the "decrease the surplus population" comment is today most frequently applied to Republicans.

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    10. Re:No surprises... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Anyone who enjoys living there doesn't understand the true meanings of enjoying and living.

      FTFY

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    11. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about, "they shouldn't fuck so much"?
      Or "they shouldn't burn that much coal"?

    12. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "they shouldn't burn that much coal"?

      Now you are just going off into straight racism. Fuck off before you get your nose broken by a righteous antifa. /r/fuckthealtright

    13. Re:No surprises... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Again. Why should there be defective children born in a society where abortion on demand until the very last moment is a viciously defended thing?

      My own home environment was terribly polluted. So I am not terribly impressed by this narrative. Been there. Done that.

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    14. Re:No surprises... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Actually, I have looked at those pollution map and your statement is complete bullshit. Also, there are very real environmental indicators that you can look to (like the local plant life) to see how polluted your local environment really is (or is not).

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    15. Re:No surprises... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the majority of these mothers with this problem are in the two most populous, and coincidentally most polluted of countries....China and India?

      Well, thank goodness polluted air doesn't cross international borders.

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    16. Re:No surprises... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

      Stacking people like cordwood is a lot more environmentally efficient than spreading the same number of people out all over the landscape. I have seen a city of over thirty million that actually works. The trains run on time, up to five subway levels deep plus an elevated level, there's no crime and life is pretty good. Why do cities like that have to be Asian?

    17. Re:No surprises... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Headline: "Air Pollution Harm To Unborn Babies May Be Global Health Catastrophe, Warn Doctors"

      First sentence of TFS: "The research was conducted in London, UK"

      From TFA: "The study analysed all live births in Greater London over four years"

      Admittedly, London is a fairly dirty city that has been violating EU pollution limits forever. Even so, according to this it's similar to New York and other first world cities.

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    18. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm, tasty eugenics.
      Love the smell of genetic cleansing in the morning. Smells like... victory.

    19. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stacking people like cordwood is a lot more environmentally efficient than spreading the same number of people out all over the landscape. I have seen a city of over thirty million that actually works. The trains run on time, up to five subway levels deep plus an elevated level, there's no crime and life is pretty good. Why do cities like that have to be Asian?

      You specifically describe Tokyo correct? Do you mean 'Why do cities like that have to be Japanese? A big part of it is cultural and Japanese culture itself tends to manifest in cleanliness, precision, conformity, punctuality, respect and social order. This isn't true for many other cultures of the world many of which are Asian.

    20. Re:No surprises... by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Your diesel truck should be banned because it is killing you and your neighbors every time you drive it.

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    21. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stacking people like cordwood is a lot more environmentally efficient than spreading the same number of people out all over the landscape. I have seen a city of over thirty million that actually works. The trains run on time, up to five subway levels deep plus an elevated level, there's no crime and life is pretty good. Why do cities like that have to be Asian?

      Because they require a certain degree of totalitarianism to work, as well as a population who isn't already used to having more space and freedom.

    22. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because some defects may not be apparent until birth?

    23. Re:No surprises... by sycodon · · Score: 1

      But it's so effective on Antifa punks.

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    24. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stacking people like cordwood is a lot more environmentally efficient than spreading the same number of people out all over the landscape.

      Not true. The most efficient system is where people are close to where their needs are produced. No overhead for transportation, externalities, or losses over distance.

      Cities feel more efficient but actually are much worse. Per-person resource consumption is much higher and waste is higher. But all that is hidden from view by outsourcing it to the countryside where people do not need trucks, planes, and trains to transport every gram of life necessities to them and trash away from them. Even people that write about these issues benefit from acting as if that electricity that runs the subway, being produced far away, is consumed far away too, or food, or consumer goods, or even concrete. And so the environmental cost of urban life is hidden away despite clear numbers on pollution.

    25. Re: No surprises... by kenh · · Score: 1

      So Chinese coal furnace pollution sneaks across the pacific and helps explain the smog in Los Angeles?

      You understand that as pollution travels, it dissipates, right?

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    26. Re: No surprises... by kenh · · Score: 1

      I have seen a city of over thirty million that actually works. The trains run on time, up to five subway levels deep plus an elevated level, there's no crime and life is pretty good. Why do cities like that have to be Asian?

      Right - how is it Asian people figured out something that we white people couldn't/haven't?

      Please define "no crime" and "life is pretty good" - I suspect the former is a lie, and the latter only applies to the folks You personally met, not all 30 Million residents.

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    27. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even read TFA? The study was done in London, UK - certainly not the worst of the worst conditions.

    28. Re: No surprises... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So Chinese coal furnace pollution sneaks across the pacific and helps explain the smog in Los Angeles?

      China and the US don't share an international border.

      You understand that as pollution travels, it dissipates, right?

      No problem then.

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    29. Re:No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you haven't modified it to belch extra soot or "roll coal" I personally have no issue with you driving a big diesel truck. If you do roll coal though I am of the opinion that your truck should be crushed with you watching and you should have to pay for that service.

      Too many ahole diesel truck owners (usually highschool or college age guys) have modified their trucks that daddy bought to shit soot all over everyone, especially pedestrians they pass. Thats a problem.

      I do forward dash cam video of them to the state epa though, and have found out that they have started issuing tickets. So its a start.

    30. Re:No surprises... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population." - from Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol

      These were very cold words from a very cold character that has come to epitomize callousness and indifference in the popular mind. Ebenezer Scrooge the money-lending, usury-gouging skinflint stands for everything that is wrong with your kind of comment, but there it is modded up to +3.

      Fair enough, but let's not forget that Dickens made Scrooge a villain who was redeemed by the spirits of Christmas. He changed his ways dramatically and become very charitable for the rest of his life.

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    31. Re:No surprises... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Actually the study was done in London on babies born there. The harm was local.

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    32. Re:No surprises... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Exactly right. Because of course, to malthusian eugenicists, if you aren't blond haired blue eyed with white skin, it's a birth defect.

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    33. Re:No surprises... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I'm not seeing any sign of redemption here. Or any realization that anything cold-hearted was said. Just "let them suffer and die, it's good for the environment to have fewer humans alive." Sick, sick stuff.

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    34. Re: No surprises... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I can only report what I saw: subways where everyone was well behaved no matter where in the city I was going, even if I got off in a neighborhood of what we would call project housing for the poor: plain concrete high-rises with small neighborhood parks where old people watched over flocks of grandchildren at play. No violence, no graffiti, no fear.

    35. Re:No surprises... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Again. Why should there be defective children born in a society where abortion on demand until the very last moment is a viciously defended thing?

      Anti-abortion activists are the vicious ones killing real human beings. Pro-choice activists are the ones peacefully trying to maintain their medical autonomy.

      Further, arguments about eugenics are a red-herring. Most reasonable people accept abortion as the only ethical choice if an embryo has a severe lung defect and can only possibly be born to suffocate seconds after the cord is cut. But the main argument is "it's my medical decision, not the state's, and certainly not the decision of a bunch of people who worship a virgin-born zombie who may have said something that if you take it out of context means 'yay unborn fetuses.'"

      My own home environment was terribly polluted.

      We can tell :-P

    36. Re: No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japanese-run cities are all fine if you don't count the Rape of Nanking (and elsewhere) . Ancient history, you might object, but it's still in living memory.

    37. Re: No surprises... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cayenne8, I'm taking your comment as a valid, reliable, and literal representation of your moral character. May you for in your own self-made he'll.

    38. Re: No surprises... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Right - how is it Asian people figured out something that we white people couldn't/haven't?

      A large contributor to that is, that the Asian folks live in very homogeneous societies.

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    39. Re:No surprises... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Again. Why should there be defective children born in a society where abortion on demand until the very last moment is a viciously defended thing?

      Let me define "choice" for you. It's when you can decide between more than one thing. Lots of pregnant women don't want to get a late-term abortion.

      Nor do I see viciousness on the part of those defending abortion rights, only on the part of those attacking them. Let me know when abortion-rights activist form cordons around places where anti-abortion groups are meeting, and yell and show disgusting pictures at every person entering. Let me know when radical abortion-rights protesters talk about assassinating anti-abortion people.

      My own home environment was terribly polluted. So I am not terribly impressed by this narrative. Been there. Done that.

      So anybody who gets into a situation you think you came out of OK doesn't have a problem worth mentioning. Right.

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  3. The world is way, way overpopulated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If it wasn't this it would be something else. The realities that we've over procreated and are in the process of wrecking our planet like a runaway viral infection will catch up with us one way or another. People should have fewer babies, period. And if they don't, then this is what happens, and I have no fucking sympathy that they cannot overcome their biological imperative.

    1. Re:The world is way, way overpopulated by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Most Western countries, where a good fraction of such pollution is still produced, is in a general demographic decline. Population increases, which will level out, cannot be the only explanation for this.

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    2. Re:The world is way, way overpopulated by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Population increases, which will level out, cannot be the only explanation for this.

      Actually, population decrease is a major cause. As birthrates fall, adults have more time to work, and less money is spent on education and other childhood expenses. This means that more resources can be channeled into industrialization and economic growth. This is known as a "demographic dividend".

      China implemented their one-child policy 38 years ago, when China and India had similar GDPs and produced similar amounts of pollution. China's population growth slowed dramatically, and has started to decline. Indians continued to procreate. Today, China's GDP is four times that of India, and they produce far more pollution.

      Population decline is, of course, not the only cause of pollution, but it is a big factor. However, it is not inevitable. Birth rates in India are now dropping, and they are having their own "demographic dividend", but it is mostly being squandered by bad policies and economic mismanagement. That is bad for Indians, but good for the environment.

  4. Troll, Minus Infinity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's not an "unborn baby", it's a "choice".

    1. Re:Troll, Minus Infinity by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > It's not an "unborn baby", it's a "choice".

      Too true. They only care about the fetus when it suits their particular narrative du jour. Tomorrow proto-humans will just be fodder for the garbage cans again.

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    2. Re:Troll, Minus Infinity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Republicans only care about women when they're not being grabbed by the pussy.

      So Republicans care about women all the time then? Because I don't think anyone, anywhere wants to grab Republicans by the pussy.

  5. I'm committed to clean air and water by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    As part of my plan for my Congressional office, I remain committed to our need for clean air and water. I will research and develop a policy to transition our Conservational Reserve Program farm subsidies to a land-preserving utility: rather than keeping reserve agricultural land empty, we will encourage farmers to retain this land and build non-permanent solar generation installations.

    Solar generation farms require cabling, conduit, racks, and photovoltaic panels. They don't require poured concrete or other land-destroying development, and we can remove them by taking up the cabling and conduit, unbolting and storing the panels, and pulling the racking from the ground. No disposal of dug-out concrete foundation is necessary; at most, we may require reusable concrete piers as footer.

    As farmland generally requires sunlight, it makes for ideal solar generation real estate. Subsidizing the initial deployment and operation of solar installations would displace our coal, oil, and natural gas electrical generation capacity with clean energy. The American taxpayer currently pays billions of dollars every year for the Conservational Reserve Program; this money returns nothing except the promise of land in reserve. The transition to solar operation will similarly preserve the land while producing clean energy at discount subsidy rates, allowing the American people to recover some of that tax cost.

    We must pursue new solutions to bring progress to our great nation. Our Congressmen have failed to do this for us, so now I will replace one of our content and well-established so that I can do the job we as public servants owe the American people.

    1. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is your position on the abortion issue?

      It's not completely off-topic to this article l, either. In my opinion, the fetus is a distinct human life. I don't believe a woman's right to privacy is greater than the right of the child to live. The article indicates that many children are unhealthy and have low birth weights due to air pollution that lead to health problems later in life. This is terrible. However, it's also a travesty that many healthy fetuses are aborted because the pregnancies are unwanted.

      Do you believe abortion should be legal outside of cases of rape, incest, a seriously unhealthy fetus, or significant threat to the life of the mother?

      I agree with many of your positions, but I have a problem casting a vote for someone who supports legal abortion beyond the aforementioned reasons.

    2. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You're only encouraging him. Don't do that.

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    3. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't believe a blastocyst or unformed fetus is a child. It's a triviality to me: personhood laws are ludicrous, insurance should cover birth control, and HSAs and FSAs should cover condoms (to control the spread of STDs).

      What's a travesty is that so many children face neglect and abuse in our over-populated foster home system, and in families who didn't want and can't support a child. We treat children like chickens: fight to have them birthed whenever we get a hint that some breeder hen might have found a rooster, and then roll them through the factory farm with no real care toward their emotional needs. A piece of skin scraping which happens to have DNA distinct from those in the human population isn't a person, nor is it a concern; it takes a good while before it starts to change into something more.

    4. Re:I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ramblings mean nothing unless you post under your real name and which state you're running for. Anything else is just wasting people's time.

    5. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fine with outlawing it, as soon as all of those who want it outlawed sign up to be foster homes. Till then it is worse to have it and place it in overcrowded, underfunded, abuse ridden, horrible places called orphanages.

      From what I can see the real monsters are the ones that want to outlaw it and then do nothing about the root cause of the issue. They want to encourage abstinence only, when everyone knows they DOES NOT WORK. They want to limit access to things that prevent the pregnancy in the first place like birth control. Shoot they dont even want to fund the schools and feed them healthy food.

      Lets get down to brass tacks here. The real reason they want to outlaw it is not because of the "sanctity of life." Its cause they see the resulting baby as punishment to loose women and for having a child out of wedlock. Get your religion out of other peoples bedrooms and doctors office please. You have NO RIGHT to force that on to anyone.

    6. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are effective and safe solutions to the problem. Contraceptives are one of those solutions. Opposing abortion and supporting contraceptives are not mutually exclusive.

    7. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > I don't believe a blastocyst or unformed fetus is a child.

      So no insurance coverage for preemies then?

      The line between "child" and "unformed fetus" blurs every day due to advances and technology. Depending on your mood, one lump of cells could either be dumpster fodder or a human child we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to save.

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    8. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      insurance should cover birth control, and HSAs and FSAs should cover condoms (to control the spread of STDs).

      People should take some personal responsibility and pay for their own damn birth control.

      Insurance is for when you get sick or injured.

    9. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look where abortion has been pushed as close to criminalized as possible without stepping on Roe v Wade, you will find a surprising number of those places teach abstinence only.

      Its a punishment, think of the children is only a line to get fence sitters like you to fall on their side.

    10. Re:I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, except your "farm land" is no longer farm land if you put a huge solar array on top of it. If the sun cant get to the plants below the array, guess what cant grow any longer? On the other hand wind power is a great use of farm land. It takes up little of the actual growing real estate and still allows the sun the shine on plants for growth.

    11. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Obviously a fetus becomes a human with full rights at some time during pregnancy, but because it's yet another scientific issue that has become politicized, there are only two positions that one may take:

      1. Full human rights begin at the moment of conception ("Life");
      2. Full human rights begin at the instant of birth ("Choice").

      You are not permitted to use any other stage of development as your criterion.

    12. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      3. Full human rights begin on the 18th birthday. 75th trimester abortions are legalized for either parent. 'Abortion' right comes with the child support payment, and optionally, ends the payments.

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    13. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and HSAs and FSAs should cover condoms (to control the spread of STDs).

      They already do, I've been using my HSA to buy them for years now.

    14. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Informative

      A premature birth is only viable because it contains not only fully-formed organs, but a fully self-supporting system. That system may be insufficient and, depending on who you ask, viability may include viability if hooked up to a support machine rather than just viability to survive without care.

      this is a blastocyst.

      Generally, abortions occur prior to 9 weeks. Beyond 9 weeks, you need surgical abortion; up to that point, you can have a drug-induced abortion. At about 9 weeks, the heart finishes dividing into chambers; internal organs are roughed-out, but nowhere near developed. Even the neural tube has only just curled up to take the place of the brain and started differentiating into scaffolding, not yet becoming an actual brain.

      Viability is generally agreed upon at 24 weeks, although the low-point number is 20 weeks. Interestingly enough, premature infants seem to not have active default-mode neural networks (basic brain function) until around 30 weeks. In simple terms, a fetus isn't capable of being aware until around 25-30 weeks, although we think they can respond to (but possibly not experience) pain around 20-24.

      The 20-24 week delineation avoids the upper end of the extreme, landing before the brain is capable of maybe being aware. The 9-week medical abortion limit is well before brain formation.

      Remember as well: you're a person, being a sum of your experiences and your ability to think, reason, and engage in self-preservation responses. A fetus doesn't have a stress response and so no display of self-preservation behavior. It's rather conservative to consider an infant a "person" even at birth; yet we have this wonderful option to identify a missed menstrual cycle (at 4 weeks), test for pregnancy, and perform a drug-induced abortion (by 9 weeks), far before one would seriously begin to wonder if it's perhaps a living being and not just a blob of tissue. 24-week abortions may be legal in many places, but they're horrendously-stressful on the mother (surgery) and generally-unpleasant, so it's easy to encourage people to make that decision early.

      Depending on your mood, one lump of cells could either be dumpster fodder or a human child we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to save.

      Surprisingly, my parents were vocally against abortion until my mom got pregnant again--then they had an abortion a few weeks later. They seem to have forgotten this since then. Mood seems to vary.

    15. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So no insurance coverage for preemies then?

      Learn the distinction between inside a woman's body and outside. It's important.

      Here's a helpful guide.

      http://www.coursewareobjects.c...

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    16. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      Even an AC should understand such a simple argument.
      It's not about personal responsibility here unless you want to walk that line. Either we can cover the costs of condoms and other forms of birth control (up to and including abortions), or we can down the line cover the cost of a child that grew up in terrible conditions, probably without a dad, to drain public education resources (school isn't cheap), government support and welfare resources (those aren't cheap either), and of course tying up courts and police resources (those aren't cheap), and then costing the state even more in prison resources.
      If the child was involved in anything violent it also means covering healthcare for all participants. So, even at 10 abortions per person, it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than paying for the child.

      Now, guess which option is better for *you* and your hard earned tax money?

       

    17. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I don't believe a blastocyst or unformed fetus is a child.

      So no insurance coverage for preemies then?

      The line between "child" and "unformed fetus" blurs every day due to advances and technology.

      1. Women should make the decision about the legality of abortion, or at least it should be 50+ percent women, so we need more on the supreme court.

      2. Birth control should be available to anyone who reasonably wants it. It is not about enabling anyones lifestyle. It is just about making damn sure we don't bring more kids into this world than we are willing and able to care for. Should abortion be effectively banned, this becomes even more vital, but really it was always vital. Abortion should be rare, and almost always for a medical reason or as a result of rape. We need to train young men and women to be careful and not screw up. Focusing only on blocking one course of action after someone is careless is a very poor plan.

      If there is one essential benefit it is birth control and Hobby Lobby and all the other regressives can go to hell. Preach abstinence. I'm fine with that, but live in the actual world. If the right wingers really wanted to stop abortions they could support more democrats, since they put the stuff in place so fewer unwanted pregnancies occur, while the republicans just ignore the root of the problem and demand that all babies live, without giving much of a shit afterward.

      You don't get a more moral society by just banning everything you consider immoral. You get a more moral society by setting things up such that people have what they need to avoid most of the problems and pitfalls in the first place. It is the difference between throwing the criminal in jail and trying to figure out why the guy became a criminal in the first place. Sure you may have to throw the guy in jail, but that doesn't address the root cause. Address the root causes and maybe we have less crime in the first place.

    18. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3. Full human rights begin on the 18th birthday. 75th trimester abortions are legalized for either parent. 'Abortion' right comes with the child support payment, and optionally, ends the payments.

      I say you should be able to abort your kids until they stop asking you for money.

    19. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by blindseer · · Score: 1

      insurance should cover birth control, and HSAs and FSAs should cover condoms (to control the spread of STDs).

      Should car insurance cover oil changes, tires, and fuel? That's a serious question.

      Health insurance, at least at one time, was to cover unexpected health costs that are too expensive for a person to cover out of pocket with ease. I remember someone commenting that treating a broken arm used to cost maybe $200. The poor kid would be driven to a hospital by a parent, school nurse, or other responsible adult, the visit with the physician would be about $50, maybe an x-ray would be taken for $50, $50 for the cast, and the rest of the $200 for any medications and to pay for the nurses' time.

      Now treating a broken arm can cost $2000, a tenfold increase. Treating a broken bone on a dog still costs about $200. The x-ray equipment is really no different. The training of the people doing the treatment isn't really all that different. The medications are also pretty much the same. So what's different? The difference is that people would not tolerate $2000 to treat a broken bone on an animal. People tolerate $2000 to treat a broken arm on their child because they aren't paying for it, insurance is. Well, they are still paying for it in through their insurance costs but the cost of any single incident is invisible to them.

      Would I have been able to get my brakes fixed for $80 if insurance was paying for it? Would a new set of tires still cost $400? Not likely. With insurance there's a new overhead on having to manage the paperwork. It's not just me, the shop owner, and the mechanic now making a deal any more. Now we have an insurance company involved, staff at the auto shop filling out paperwork, more government oversight, and so much more.

      Go pay for your own damned condoms, I hear you can get them for a dollar at a truck stop. If that's too much then just hop into the lobby of any college health clinic, I hear they just keep them in a bowl by the door for horny students to grab. Someone might give you a funny look for doing it but I doubt anyone would stop you. If you make this a habit then invest in a t-shirt with the college mascot on it to blend in a little, it will pay for itself in time.

      If you make insurance pay for condoms then you'll have to follow new rules. There's likely going to be requirements on visiting a physician, so they can tell you how they are used and to check for any STD you might have. Then you'll get a prescription. Now a pharmacist has to check the prescription, get you your condoms and file the proper paperwork with the insurance company. Oh, wait, are you allergic to latex? I'm sure the insurance company will want to check for that too. Maybe they'll just buy the more expensive vinyl ones just in case, why should they care? They aren't paying for the condoms in the end, you are, I am, and so is everyone else that have insurance.

      Now you have people that can't afford insurance, or condoms. Pregnancies and STDs rise and treating a broken arm now costs $20,000.

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    20. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Should car insurance cover oil changes, tires, and fuel? That's a serious question.

      Car insurance actually doesn't cover damage done to your car by lack of maintenance: if you don't change the oil and the engine dies, your insurer won't replace it (or even total out your vehicle!).

      Health insurance, on the other hand, covers all of the costs of pregnancy. As such, the insurer has a risk stake in helping to avoid unwanted pregnancy. This is the same reason insurers now 100% cover wellness and surcharge you if you don't get physicals.

      If you make insurance pay for condoms then you'll have to follow new rules.

      HSAs and FSAs are paid out of your own pocket. You have to contribute to both, although FSAs fill your account for the year up-front. You don't pay taxes on purchases, though.

      The rest of your argument is dubious, although I've only addressed the parts where you display clear and total ignorance.

    21. Re: I'm committed to clean air and water by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      We have a nominal date of conception. It isn't perfect, but it's usable.

      Therefore, we can set a specific time after the nominal date of conception as the limit.

      I really don't have any respect for people trying to force their frames of reference on me.

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  6. A catastrophe? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it were truly a catastrophe, there should be many large cities where whole generations should have perished. In the US, prior to EPA reforms, many cities had far worse air pollution, yet the maternity wards in their hospitals weren't empty.

    1. Re:A catastrophe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another week another alarmist The Guardian "The world is ending!" article. It's what they do.

    2. Re:A catastrophe? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If it were truly a catastrophe, there should be many large cities where whole generations should have perished.

      You don't need to outright kill a population for it to be a catastrophe. Heck it would probably be a preferred outcome over disabling them or inflicting chronic illnesses on them instead.

    3. Re:A catastrophe? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Since then, we've gotten used to children almost always growing up to become adults. High infant mortality rates are now generally considered bad.

      If you'd rather go back to the time when the average family had four kids growing up to get some reasonable assurance of two surviving, well, I wouldn't rather do that.

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  7. evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with 2 billion mutations, surely we'll evolve an immunity? well, homo extremophilus will anyway...

    1. Re:evolution by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      When the oil reserves eventually run out homodieselparticulitus won't be able to survive.

  8. Total malarkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The air has never been cleaner. 50 years ago there were noxious fuming automobiles and trucks. Factories spewed coal black smoke into the hazy gray skies. Half the population puffed on cigars and cigarettes, indoors, outdoors, even on airplanes, and in other public places -- even elevators. At least in America the problem has been solved.

    So what if China doesn't care. That's their right. It's their country.

    1. Re:Total malarkey by mikael · · Score: 1

      We just offshored all the manufacturing industries to China and closed them down in the USA and Europe. Problem solved.

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    2. Re:Total malarkey by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We just offshored all the manufacturing industries to China and closed them down in the USA and Europe. Problem solved, once and for all.

      But we all share the same pl-

      ONCE AND FOR ALL!

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    3. Re:Total malarkey by mspohr · · Score: 1

      You seem to be ignoring air pollution crises that exist today in London, Delhi, Bejing as well as these US cities:
      Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA.
      Bakersfield, CA.
      Fresno-Madera, CA.
      Visalia-Porterville-Hanford, CA.
      Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ.
      Modesto-Merced, CA.
      San Diego-Carlsbad, CA.
      Sacramento-Roseville, CA.

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  9. While it is true by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    That babies born to mother's exposed to air pollution are smaller, but their just as healthy are the other babies. And some women might want a smaller baby.

    Let me know if anyone gets the reference.

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    1. Re:While it is true by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      but their just as healthy

      And in some, the damage makes them unable to distinguish between "their" and "they're"....

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    2. Re:While it is true by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And in others, the damage makes them unable to distinguish between "are" and "as"....

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    3. Re:While it is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is terrible!

      Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!

    4. Re:While it is true by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Too busy thinking of the apostrophe's.

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  10. just don't call it morgellons or genocide.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    polymer polymore polyman... a biological nightmare concocted for us by the blue tie wearing psychopaths of the perfect balance clubbing... cease fire stand down... in the moms we trust,, thanks again for watching/caring.. no heart no spirit no life,,, what a creepy recipe...

  11. Global warming wasn't cutting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tried to end fossil fuels by scaring folks on global warming. Didn't work. So now we must "think of the children!"

    War on fossil fuels never ends.

  12. May be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, may be not.

  13. As a pro-life conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I don't give a shit what happens once the baby is born. Let the free market decides if it lives or dies.

  14. More FUD from the left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    My faith in science is shattered at this point. Scientists these days are no more than political hacks, furthering their leftest agenda. Sad state of affairs. Science is over. There is no truth. The only truth is that manufactured by Liberals out of whole cloth. It's ironic that the folks who claim the higher ground of 'science' are nothing but Luddites who would have us return to caves.

  15. Abort them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Problem solved, right ladies?

  16. simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop carrying the babies in the mothers. Instead, remove the fertilized egg and place in an incubator that has a purified air source. What could go wrong. Technology solves all.

  17. Bla bla free market wil solve it blabla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  18. Maybe a byproduct - intentional - or not, hardly by no-body · · Score: 1

    If humans coming out of this environment and are somewhat handicapped, they may be less critical, having to deal with their own issues.
    And - does anyone think about fixing it - just look at the current power structure and what the priorities there are.. In particular, a retard on top...

  19. it's the elderly that need help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why bother with care for children when we can spend ten times as much on them when they get old?

    air pollution is a potentially huge revenue source for manufacturers of medical equipment

  20. For Reference... by Fluffymuffin+Cocobut · · Score: 2

    For reference, what would be the WHO measurement of sitting around a campfire and occasionally being directly in the smoke for 5% of the day? I imagine most children who were ever born were raised in a situation similar to this (or better yet raised in a shelter with open fire and burning candles for most of the night). Kind of like sodium intake before the invention of refrigeration - what was that average?

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  21. Is it really so bad by tsa · · Score: 3, Informative

    I keep wondering when I read things like this: is it really so much worse than it was in the 1970s? OK, some places where economic growth has exploded recently may be much much dirtier now than they were then. But I went to London a few times in the late 1980s, and back then the city stank of exhaust fumes. Nowadays that is not the case anymore. I live in the Netherlands and I saw the big rivers getting cleaner, sensitive animals like salmon and beaver being reintroduced successfully, and the air in Amsterdam definitely improved. So I wonder: how come we hear more and more warnings like this? I can think of a few causes: fearmongery, increased knowledge about the impact of exhaust gases on your health, or maybe the planet as a whole really got a lot dirtier. But what is it really?

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    1. Re:Is it really so bad by esonik · · Score: 2

      Is that relevant - how it is today compared to some previous time?
      Fact is that within London the study has measured a significant correlation of air pollution to low birth weight - meaning: even in today's London there's room for improvement.
      If we can improve the lives of people shouldn't we try to?

    2. Re:Is it really so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that relevant - how it is today compared to some previous time?

      Quite. If no doom happened then, then the ones predicting such are lying right now.

    3. Re:Is it really so bad by tsa · · Score: 1

      Of course we should, but that is beside the point I try to make here. I have the impression that thanks to all kind of legislation a lot of improvement of the environment has been achieved during the last forty years, at least in my part of the world. And still we get more and more quite specific warnings: not the ones we got in the 1970s ("If we go on like this the planet will be doomed!") but more warnings about specific kinds of pollution, be it CO2 or fine particles or NOx. So I'd like to know what the state of (specific parts of) the planet is compared to 40 years ago.

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  22. "Unborn Babies" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No such thing, they're just disposable discardable spare-parts "fetuses". Right?

    1. Re:"Unborn Babies" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You start creating something as an act of creation or love or something. You work hard on it, and risk your health, and go through a lot of inconvenience. You may or may not be able to start all over. Then, depending on the pollution level, someone will generate a random number to see if the pollution proxies come in and smash what you've been working on to pieces.

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  23. There were by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    infant mortality has been dropping for the last century. I don't think you understand what real poverty is like. We've sort of forgot because a) the War on Poverty did and continues to do a lot and b) what we couldn't eliminate we moved to China, Mexico and India. Yes, we've mostly cleaned the air here, but in large parts of China, India and some of Mexico it's as bad as it was in the 20s here.

    Also even before the EPA was founded there was work being done to clean up the air. Especially in the 30s-60s before private jets were common and telecoms made it so the rich could manage their holdings from afar.

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    1. Re:There were by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We didn’t “move it to China or Mexico” they moved it there and guess what? It’s mostly better for most Mexicans and Chinese than it was before if you look at quality of life and overall poverty by percentage of populace.

      Do you really think China would take back the last 25 years of developing a strong middle class if they could? The answer is obvious. They weighed the consequences and made a decision. The Chinese aren’t weak colored people with no agency for god sake. They could have decided to keep it the old way but it was better for them.

      Don’t just be some white pundit in an ivory tower proclaiming the true history of the colored peoples. We find it offensive mate. My whole family is insanely better off than they were in the late 80’s it’s like goddamn night and day. My country is responsible for our own short falls l. Not the U.K. Not the U.S. it was our own decision and has served us well even though it did cost us a lot in other ways. Dealing with smog is better than not knowing if we’ll have food for the family. And now we’re addressing that too but don’t belittle us and tell us it wasn’t our choice because we were poor, OUR leaders made th best choice for us at the time.

  24. India & China by QuadEddie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the past year, Iâ(TM)ve read stories about while towns in China getting cancer due to pollution, toxic foam floating around in India, and serious birth defects in humans and animals in both of those countries. The problem is orders of magnitude larger there than in the US. Because of this, China and India are great test beds for human evolution because those are the places with the highest levels of environmental pressures. We could see species adaptions there that donâ(TM)t exist anywhere else.

    1. Re:India & China by blindseer · · Score: 1

      We could see species adaptions there that don't exist anywhere else.

      So, once we pollute the environment we have to keep doing it or risk a population failure?

      I'm only half serious. If we have humans that evolve to thrive in an environment laced with steroids in the water, antibiotics in the meat, and ammonia in the air and then later take that all away then we might have people getting sick from diseases that would normally have been killed off before.

      I remember my sister telling me about places that began fertilizing crops with human sewage seeing a reduction in cases of vitamin B deficiency. Okay, human shit has more vitamin B than non-human shit. Not sure that this makes the practice of using human sewage to fertilize the growing of the peas and carrots I eat a good idea. Let's assume this practice continues for a long period, many generations. We'll have a population that has a gene pool and culture (a traditional diet mostly) that relies on the use of human sewage for it's nutrition. Suppose someone comes along and says that this is a bad idea, perhaps they discover people getting sick from improper handling of sewage and the fruits and vegetables grown from it, so the practice ends. Now you have people getting sick from not getting enough vitamin B. Now this population of people have a choice, return to the previous practice, adjust their diet, or find some new balance with the environment they've created.

      I'm not saying that soot in the air is something we should keep around and allow people to adapt to it. I'm only saying that this is an interesting concept of the population of people changing to suit the environment, the people changing the environment to suit them, and this iterating over long periods. I suspect we'd see this just jump out at us if we stop to look for it. Humans are not separate from the environment, we are as much a part of it as any other creatures living on this planet.

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    2. Re:India & China by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      We could see species adaptions there that donâ(TM)t exist anywhere else.

      Just what we need. The first superhuman turns out to be a supervillain with the powers to telemarket to everyone at the same time.

  25. no reliable methods? by umghhh · · Score: 1

    I mean the pollution is something that we know exists. In cases these doctors discuss the pollution is in fact so bad that one can see its undesirable effects on oneself which for any reasonable individual would mean to move away at least for pregnancy or avoid pregnancy in the first place. I agree avoiding pollution may not be within the reach of people but condoms should be. We try hard to get pollution in already relatively clean western cities down whereas the actual problem is overpopulation elsewhere.

  26. Or Or Or Or by Big+Bipper · · Score: 1

    Or is the current tendency to coddle kids in cotton batting, never letting them run free outside and play un-supervised that is causing atrophied kids. Or maybe it's the trend to city living in more and more cramped un-natural environments. Or maybe it's just the trend to spending more time inside, where the air is much less healthy than even outdoor city air. Or maybe it's the trend to feeding them more over-procssed factory-supermarket junk masquerading as food because after working multiple jobs the parents don't have time ( and were never taught in school how ) to prepare nuticious meals.

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  27. Re:fake news! The Unborn Are Not People! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

    Got to be fake news, since the overlords with stock in Planned Parenthood have informed us that the unborn aren't people, and thus, can't be harmed by pollution or abortion.

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  28. Unborn Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean fetuses that are not alive, and there for whos existence does not matter.

  29. air cleaner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, buy a good and decent air cleaner (with lots of activated carbon) for your home and for the baby stroller or carrier buy the belt mounted part of the air cleaner the welders use with electric motors and filters and put the flexible hose to the baby's carrier compartment. Something like this 3M Breathe Easy Turbo Belt-Mounted Powered Air Purifying Respirator