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What Mistakes Can Stall An IT Career? (cio.com)

Quoting snydeq: "In the fast-paced world of technology, complacency can be a career killer," Paul Heltzel writes in an article on 20 ways to kill your IT career without knowing it. "So too can any number of hidden hazards that quietly put your career on shaky ground -- from not knowing your true worth to thinking you've finally made it. Learning new tech skills and networking are obvious ways to solidify your career. But what about accidental ways that could put your career in a slide? Hidden hazards -- silent career killers? Some tech pitfalls may not be obvious."
CIO's reporter "talked to a number of IT pros, recruiters, and developers about how to build a bulletproof career and avoid lesser-known pitfalls," citing hazards like burning bridges and skipping social events. But it also warns of the dangers of staying in your comfort zone too long instead of asking for "stretch" assignments and accepting training opporunities.

The original submission puts the same question to Slashdot readers. "What silent career killers have you witnessed (or fallen prey to) in your years in IT?"

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  1. Rape and murder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Don't rape and/or murder your employees at work. That would really stall your IT career.

    1. Re: Rape and murder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah we had a coworker that did both of those...the keyword is "had". He got fired for it.

    2. Re:Rape and murder. by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

      Doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a problem as refusing to have sex with your boss.

    3. Re: Rape and murder. by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      He got fired for raping and murdering his employees at work?

    4. Re: Rape and murder. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      To be fair, I can't see a tribunal ruling that one as 'unfair dismissal'.

  2. Starting one .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hate to say it, but starting one. I went to university for engineering ended up in I.T. -- the first firm I worked for had me doing more I.T. type work than actual engineering, and I discovered there was good money in going freelance. Fast-forward 10 years, and I'm bored.

    Now I'm going to graduate school for biochemistry and am much, much happier -- will probably end up either teaching or in medical school. I'd rather troubleshoot problems created by evolution, G-d, what have you, than clean up after bad programmers' mistakes.

    1. Re:Starting one .... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Come and work at Porter's. We'll have another couple of vacancies by the end of the night the way things are going.

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  3. Here's one by Osgeld · · Score: 1, Redundant

    silicon valley

  4. Career assistance scams - by Bookwyrm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, "This one weird trick can save you from silent career killers! Just sign up for our seminar, hire our career coach, etc. to learn more."

    Definitely can ruin your life.

  5. Re:Being shot by the cops by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    This was a pest control expert, not an IT engineer. Of course, IT is its own form of pest control...

    Yeah, the video is cringeworthy -- the jury wasn't allowed to know that he had "You're Fucked" engraved on his gun. Not to mention that he looks like an angry amer-kid who brought his first-person shooting into real life.

    Ah well, the court has acquitted him, but he might still be T-boned by a drunk driver on New Year's Eve. Karma's a bitch.

  6. Hate to say it but... by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...not liking sports. Even though these grown men never played anything more than flag-football or a coed softball game they carry on about their favorite teams with the pronoun, "we," like they had something to do with the team's success. Many are huge fans of teams for whom they've never lived in the state that the team is based in and only attend games when that team comes to town for one game against the local one.

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    1. Re:Hate to say it but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...not liking sports. Even though these grown men never played anything more than flag-football or a coed softball game they carry on about their favorite teams with the pronoun, "we," like they had something to do with the team's success. Many are huge fans of teams for whom they've never lived in the state that the team is based in and only attend games when that team comes to town for one game against the local one.

      It doesn't have to be sports, just have at least one interest that is not work-related that you can associate over. At my work turns out that we have quite a number of engineers and designers who are hot rod and sports car enthusiasts, I've never had to discuss football or such with them. Also quite a few hunters who were happy to bring me some game meat when they found out that I like to cook and was interested in trying some new recipes.

    2. Re:Hate to say it but... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      ...not lik^H^H^Hdoing sports
      FTFY.

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    3. Re:Hate to say it but... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Some like e-sports. :P

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    4. Re:Hate to say it but... by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Fuck all to do with 'liking' sports. The key here is building rapport and a relationship with your colleagues.

      You don't have to like sports, and you especially don't have to like the team they support. What matters is that they don't feel that you just don't care about them and their interests - whether that's sports, hotrod cars, cycling or anything else.

      The biggest bore I've worked with was a cycling enthusiast. Every fucking conversation was about heart rates, cadence and lycra. But he was also easy to deal with: "Hey, have a good ride at the weekend?" Then switch topics to work.

      He knows you aren't a cycling afficionado because you don't dive into the minutia he's deeply into. But you've shown you understand it's his hobby, you give him a chance to share his passion and he feels you're engaging with him.

    5. Re:Hate to say it but... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      If you are really that concerned about it. You can try getting into the mathematics of sports.

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  7. The only real carreer killer is complacency by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    Over time in development and IT, I've seen guys who carreers stalled - but it wasn't from anything like failing to attend social events, it was just being complacent doing one thing, and not even really excelling at it but just being "the guy who does X" for years on end.

    You really do have to push to try new things, get training, or try to get some other tasks besides something that is pigeonholing you. In the earlier days of career I would even do things like take vacation and pay for my own conferences, which greatly paid off later (also sometimes I was able to get a company to expense a conference after the fact, so don't give up even if they say no). However key is that you have to try and make use of what training you get, even if it's just prototypes that show alternative ways the company could be doing things. Very often those can spring up into real projects.

    Going back around to social events, like I said I don't think they hurt your progression - but that's within a company. The thing talking to people in the company and getting to know them a bit does do, is make it much easier to find jobs later as people move on and disperse to lots of other companies. It's a great help to be thought of well by someone who works at a company you are thinking of working for, and even better having an inside person lets you invite them to lunch and ask real questions about what it is like to work there. So longer term, I don't think you have to go to every event but do make an effort to not only be friendly but also interested in the lives of those around you.

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    1. Re:The only real carreer killer is complacency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Over time in development and IT, I've seen guys who carreers stalled - but it wasn't from anything like failing to attend social events, it was just being complacent doing one thing, and not even really excelling at it but just being "the guy who does X" for years on end.

      You really do have to push to try new things, get training, or try to get some other tasks besides something that is pigeonholing you.

      This is true about any knowledge worker career, don't be the "the guy who just does X" for years on end and wonder why you get laid off when X is no longer in use and have a hard time finding new jobs that still use X.

      Going back around to social events, like I said I don't think they hurt your progression - but that's within a company.

      What I've found is that at least going to events and being well known socially gives you some extra security during lay-offs, usually the first ones to go are the loners who don't even talk about the weather as nobody, especially the bosses, even cares a wit about them unless they are really, really good at their job though I have yet to see anyone who was super good at their work and anti-social at the same time.

      The thing talking to people in the company and getting to know them a bit does do, is make it much easier to find jobs later as people move on and disperse to lots of other companies. It's a great help to be thought of well by someone who works at a company you are thinking of working for, and even better having an inside person lets you invite them to lunch and ask real questions about what it is like to work there. So longer term, I don't think you have to go to every event but do make an effort to not only be friendly but also interested in the lives of those around you.

      This is one of the reasons I try to make friends with outside sales engineers that work for me vendors, they visit so many companies and often know about job openings before they even get posted.

    2. Re:The only real carreer killer is complacency by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sure how to formulate it properly but it's about provable skills vs actual skills. As in, when you're job hunting it doesn't matter if you're really good at something if nobody knows about it or nobody believes you. You get a stack of resumes and... what does it say really? From and to dates and a title. You probably have referrals, but almost everyone can get someone to speak positively about them. A short test on the interview probably says more about who's a smooth talker and how they handle a quiz than everyday work. Ideally you want tangible proofs that you're an accomplished professional or passionate developer, second best is networks and people who'll vouch for you and third are degrees, certificates and other formal papers.

      I think it also depends on how big of a niche you're in, despite living in a >100k city I find that many of the same people are circulating around the same oh, maybe 50-100 jobs. I don't feel the need to really actively "market" myself, people I've worked with in the past either at other companies or have left for other companies means then you've seeded quite a few ex-coworkers who hopefully have a good impression of you. But you have to make that impression, you can't just hide in a corner and do your own little thing. Personally I don't think I could, I got fingers in way too many pies and is actively trying to *not* get caught up in more. Mostly because I'm the one stuck cleaning up the train wrecks when things derail.

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    3. Re:The only real carreer killer is complacency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is one of the reasons I try to make friends with outside sales engineers that work for me vendors, they visit so many companies and often know about job openings before they even get posted.

      Lessons from a long career:

      Make friends of all those sales people, sales engineers and anyone they put you in touch with. Stay friendly with them. Remember, that to you they are a nuisance, but to them (and you may deal with them for five minutes), you're just one of 20 people they may meet this week. They will network in a week with more people than you will in a month.

      They always know who's hiring, or who may have a similiar network/It setup that you can jump to fairly quickly.

      Posting anon, too lazy to login.

    4. Re:The only real carreer killer is complacency by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Yup all of that.

      I'm in my 50's. I just dropped a two decades long career in writing software drivers to write web applications in C#.

      I did it for a couple of reasons.

      First reason - if I have to write another keyboard driver ever ever ever again, I'll murder someone. I can't do it anymore. It isn't possible to be more bored with something than I am. Doing something new - anything new - feels like a vacation.

      Second reason - growth. It's a strange rule of our profession that the things that pay best aren't the hardest to do. I don't have to read PDFs of parts and timing diagrams now. I'm fiddling around with CSS making stuff look pretty. At about a 15% pay increase. It'll be a great Christmas at my house this year.

      Always keep looking. Keep your eye on your career, your happiness, and the money. Get as informed as possible and then make the best decisions you can.

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      rediculous.
  8. Getting promoted to management by mschuyler · · Score: 2

    Career killer par excellance

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    1. Re:Getting promoted to management by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

      Seconded...if you're not built for it, you will hate it. Been there, and have the scars. Plus, middle managers often just get hollowed out in "delayering" exercises, so there you are mid-career, unemployed, with no useful skills. Not a good place to be!

    2. Re:Getting promoted to management by mikael · · Score: 1

      I saw that myself. One previously nationalized company started to take advantage of IT to implement the "paperless office" in the 1980's. The first thing they started to do was to reduce the management hierarchy. It was 1:3 ratio of manager/subordinates. All the managers really did was get the completed tasks from the supervising engineer, put those in a spreadsheet, print them out and hand them out to the senior manager, who then signed them off and handed them up to the director. Once the new IT system (equivalent to Jira now) was installed, all that paperwork and jobs disappeared.

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    3. Re:Getting promoted to management by sproketboy · · Score: 1

      Yup. That's what destroyed Borland.

    4. Re:Getting promoted to management by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      Yeah - my boss is retiring in a few months and I just turned down the promotion into that management position. Realistically I probably have the best overview in the department of how things work, but I'm still 15 years from retirement and I don't think I could stomach that long in management - plus it would only be a pay increase of about 10%.

      Maybe in 11 or 12 more years I'd be interested, but for now I still enjoy actual coding too much.

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    5. Re:Getting promoted to management by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      Only if
      - you aren't cut out to be a manager
      - you let your tech skills rot

      Personally, I've been a manager or director for most of the past seven years. I love it! I still write code at home to keep up with the latest developments. I relish the role of mentor and coach, and love it when I can play a role in helping my team members be successful.

  9. Missed some by ranton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Two huge ones I feel they missed are sticking with a single company without advancement for too long, and waiting for responsibility to be given to you.

    While hopping between jobs every 10 months is a big red flag for most, staying at the same company in the same role for 10 years is even worse (IMHO). Every time I meet a developer who has been at the same company for a decade while staying at a mid-level developer position, I expect mediocrity. Only once have I been wrong. In your mid 20's to mid 30's you need to be moving up in responsibility rapidly, and most of the time a non-enterprise sized company cannot keep up with enough opportunities.

    Also most coworkers I have had wait until being formally given responsibility instead of just taking it on themselves. Every time I have gotten a significant promotion my day to day responsibilities were largely unchanged. This was because I was already doing that role and the company was just making it official. I hear many coworkers complaining about how poorly their department is being run without ever finding ways they can improve it themselves without direction. If you have a boss that doesn't like this, get a new boss. But you cannot just wait for opportunities to present themselves; create opportunity.

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    1. Re:Missed some by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good ones. Though I know several competent developers who have stayed with the same company for 10 or 20 years. They have kept up with their profession and are a far cry from mediocre; they just like to stay in their comfort zone. Problem is: many others in the company assumes they are mediocre because they haven't advanced. A great way to stall their IT career... but it's a career they may not have wanted in the first place. That's not a red flag for mediocrity, these could be excellent hires in their current expertise. Just don't expect future management material amongst them.

      TFA glosses over the value of networking, but I think social skills really are an underappreciated asset in tech careers. And yes, social skills are a skill, which you can learn and practice if it doesn't come to you naturally. As an introvert I had to work hard at improving my social skills... and I started later than I should have. But it has paid off in every single assignment I have held since.

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    2. Re:Missed some by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure I agree 100%. If the company allows you to get diverse experience and is a good place to work, I think it can work out. Problem is most companies aren't designed like this and want to pigeonhole people into the same thing year after year. I've been changing focus every 2-3 years within the same company, trying to pick something interesting and employment-generating just in case.

      And yes, I know sticking around can make it harder to find another job...I think the key to fixing that is to keep contacts outside the company so that you don't have to rely on cold-calling for work. Cold-call resumes with long service are probably very difficult to get noticed.

  10. Retirement? by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    But I don't label it a mistake.

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  11. Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    dropping the database close to the deadline..

  12. What mistakes can kill an IT career? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Getting old. Although you wouldn't like the alternative to avoiding that.

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    1. Re:What mistakes can kill an IT career? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Being a white male doesn't help either - viewed as having too many of those despite the preponderance of Indian men in the field (about 60% of IT at my current employer)

    2. Re:What mistakes can kill an IT career? by 3Cats · · Score: 2

      boy fucking howdy, this. 40 is a terrible age to suddenly become unemployed in the IT field due to your company closing. Those 20 somethings with a wet degree will do it for half what you expect to be paid.

    3. Re:What mistakes can kill an IT career? by hey! · · Score: 2

      Try being 50. They won't hire you even if you're willing to work for what somebody with no experience is willing to take.

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    4. Re:What mistakes can kill an IT career? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      I keep reading and hearing about this, but I don't see it.

      I'm 51, and still thriving in software development. I work next to a 60-year-old programmer.

      Maybe this ageism thing is a Silicon Valley phenomenon. In Houston, I've worked with lots of successful older programmers.

    5. Re:What mistakes can kill an IT career? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I got hired here after 50. I did need to start dying my hair.

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  13. Silicon Valley by Templer421 · · Score: 1

    And having your finances destroyed for life. Just say NO to Silicon Valley, you CAN'T afford it after taxes unless you are a Millionaire.

    1. Re:Silicon Valley by omnichad · · Score: 1

      cdreimer would like to have a word with you.

  14. Falling in love with your pet system by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    IT systems come and go. IT people inexorably linked to systems also come and go. Best way not to go? Stay curious, learn new things, learn new systems. Look to the future, create the future you want to work in. Don't link yourself to the past and present.

    1. Re:Falling in love with your pet system by greenwow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I somewhat disagree. Most systems exist for many years or even decades after they should have been replaced. Here's an old but good article from Joel on Software:

      https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/

      It talks about how code rewrites almost always fail. I could easily come up with another hundred examples. We've started rewriting our inventory system three times and failed three times. I heard the last failure cost over 20 times what the software originally cost to write. If you're the go to guy for a legacy system and are willing to slog away at maintenance and work on the uninteresting problems that others don't want to, then you are a great asset.

    2. Re:Falling in love with your pet system by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      I somewhat disagree. Most systems exist for many years or even decades after they should have been replaced....

      My point was less about having a job, and more about growing in a job. If you don't want the lay-off target painted on your back, stay curious. Of course, if your goal is to stagnate then, by all means, link yourself to a IT system and don't learn anything new. It's your career and your choice.

    3. Re:Falling in love with your pet system by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      Thank you. Flexibility is your only defense: I read the post and laughed when it said "how to bullet proof" .. It's almost the same as someone trying to shoot a target... It's moving faster than you can aim. Changing its dimensions and orientation, and intermittently disappears and reappears somewhere else.

  15. Politics by MattRyanUK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Realising that corporate politics is a load of bullshit and not playing along is the #1 career killer.

    1. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This sentiment would be valid, if workloads were realistic!

      I probably have 70 hours of actual work on my plate a week. I do my weekly 40, sometimes up to 45, and leave. Work that needs to, doesn't get done, period.

      Ramifications? There are none, as there is no one else to do the work, and timelines won't budge. Ergo, stuff gets missed, morale is low, the dept. reputation lags, and time marches.

      My point? When you have a shitty Sr Manager, shitty Sr Director for your bosses, who keep executives in the dark to cover their own ass, corporate politics is laughable, since me participating, is actually costing them money.

      My company, and more my department, will cut its nose off to spite its face for hot new corporate initiatives that fail after 6 months time. So I'll play along just enough, increase the bank account, and will get the fuck out the moment the ship springs the final leak to sink the department leadership.

      The clock us ticking on this particular job, so the resume is updated, and the networked contacts remain fresh. Corporate politics and the latest hot button initiative don't me much as career killers when you already have 1 foot out the door.

  16. Believing your employer by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When they say, "Our employees are our most valuable asset."

    Pro Tip: The more you can relate to Dilbert (in general) the more you need to find somewhere else to work.

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    1. Re:Believing your employer by mikael · · Score: 1

      A dilbert (D) is the international unit of measure for bureaucracy. One dilbert is equal to 1 person hour of office work. In plain English, 1 dilbert of bureaucracy is the time required to occupy a person with pointless tasks that serve no purpose for 1 hour

      As the dilbert is an international unit of measurement, standard prefixes can be applied; 1 kilodilbert is 1000 hours of office work, 1 megadilbert is 1 million hours of office work. 1 millidilbert is 3.6 seconds of office work.

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    2. Re:Believing your employer by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      "Our employees are our most valuable asset."

      Yes, the ones slated to replace YOU.

    3. Re:Believing your employer by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Didn't Dilbert's PHB announce that they made a mistake, employees were actually the twenty-third most important asset, right behind carbon paper?

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  17. The exact same things ... by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that stall every other career:

    1) Not knowing my worth.

    2) Relying on others to advance it.

    Which are somewhat two sides of the same coin.

    I happen to be in the lucky place of having (at least) two careers in an lifetime. The other being performing arts. (I have a dancing/performing arts diploma) I can assure you the things holding me back in one are the precise same things holding me back in my other career in IT. It boils down to this: All careers, IT and elsewhere, that deserve the name are hand crafted and built on the willingness to have uncomfortable/difficult conversations and make tough decisions. Your current IT lead is just the very same as your current choreograph: Beyond a minimal extent he/she doesn't give a flying fuck where you are at in 20 years from now. And they don't have to. It's not their job or their concern.

    It should however be yours.

    I'm pretty glad with how my career is going and you can be sure all advancements are based on going through very very tough patches and seeing them through and coming out on top. Eventually.

    My two eurocents.

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  18. Being over 40 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    To be fair, that will stall many careers.

  19. Aging. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Rule #1: Dont turn 30.

  20. Bosses wife by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sleeping with the bosses wife or girlfriend come to mind. Anything involving the words, "officer that isn't my cocaine." Getting drunk and mistaking the main server as a urinal

    Fire arms and the disk drives from the corporate san.

    posting to facebook while intoxicated.

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    1. Re:Bosses wife by guruevi · · Score: 1

      That's why we need unions to represent IT, you don't want to get fired for that.

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    2. Re:Bosses wife by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Sleeping with the bosses wife or girlfriend come to mind.

      Not a problem, unless you're caught.
      The plus side is knowing that your (likely former) boss pays for college for your child.

    3. Re:Bosses wife by Cederic · · Score: 1

      And lets be honest, you wont find the sales person near enough a server to piss on it anyway.

  21. Top 3 IT Career Mistakes by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Being born after 1985 or before 1975
    2. Not living in NYC/SF/Austin/Boston
    3. Being born without a penis

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    1. Re:Top 3 IT Career Mistakes by omnichad · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, really. Lots of people are born without a penis.

  22. Re:I commit to learning new Rust tech each month by tigersha · · Score: 1

    Just be careful about getting rusty there.

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  23. Re:Do they mean "IT" or Developing Code? by mikael · · Score: 1

    I've seen life at the "hell-desk". Employees calling up wanting to get someone to replace the paper in the laser-printer. Universities have to put up signs stating "please do not refill the laser printer toner cartridges with coffee". Having the technicians do marathon runs across alternating floors of the building to make everyone see that "something was been done".

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  24. Pets by Monster_user · · Score: 3, Funny

    Non-Career or life goal focused responsibilities can undermine one's ability to excel in one's chosen career.

    So to can life's responsibilities recieved at inopportune times. But that's life. Life never goes according to plan.

    1. Re:Pets by tychoS · · Score: 1

      IT Career killers:

      1. Getting married
      2. Fathering multiple children
      3. Buying a house with a garden
      4. Developing social relations with non IT people

      Lets face it. To keep on top of the IT field you have to work fulltime++ at the dayjob with technology that is current, up-to-date and mainstream and then go home and spend evenings & weekends exploring bleeding edge technology and learning new languages, tools, frameworks etc.

      That is easy enough when you are 25, live in a small apartment full of computers and your "girlfriend" is an neural network you coded yourself from an AI book you read.

      But is gets harder as the children wants to be driven to sports, their school wants parents to contribute and attend various events, the wife wants the occasional romantic weekend holiday just the two of you, while the children is at the grandparents and the house & garden needs care & attention etc.

    2. Re: Pets by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Except coaching softball, etc, grants a leadership experience role, and other experience which can be leveraged into a promotion, or leveraged into moving out of IT and into another role in the organization.

      But, yeah, I do feel that IT is as ErichTheRed points out, a series of jumping in and out of rabbit holes, which is a job for the young and unattached.

    3. Re:Pets by Rande · · Score: 1

      AI girlfriend? Nope, took Eliza out and shot her in the head multiple times. Kept wanting to talk about my feelings.

  25. Going too far down rabbit holes by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

    Overspecializing is a huge danger, and it's a constant fight in IT/dev trying to figure out where you need to be next. This is especially important now that SaaS services are starting to take the place of managed environments and in-house software. I know several people who work as contractors in NYC bouncing from banks to law firms to media companies, and rates are dropping. Some skills just aren't in demand as much as they were...Exchange admins who knew everything about the product used to make tons of money because email was so important to companies...now they just buy Office 365. CCNP-level engineers who knew the network back and forth could easily make huge salaries and they're largely being replaced by SDN managed by the ISP or someone in India. The problem is that to get to these levels in any speciality, you need to tunnel-vision focus on your area at the exclusion of almost everything else.

    The problem this presents is that you basically have these choices to try to make a career for yourself:
    - Specialize and hope to $deity you picked something that will be around for a while...you can get rockstar-level money but the downsides are (uaually) having to move every year or so where the work is, and the risk of finding yourself in a dead end needing to jump to another rabbit hole.
    - Be a total generalist...you'll be jack of all trades and master of none. You'll usually be limited to small shops which limits income and exposure to "enterprisey" huge systems. The only upside I can see is you won't find yourself in the same place EMC or NetApp wizards are finding themselves now.
    - Dive into rabbbit holes but constantly bounce out...that's where I am now. The upside is that I've been able to work at the same place for over 10 years (which is important to me because I like a stable home/work life) without being the guy who's had the same year of experience 10 years over. Downside....chasing New! Shiny! Must Learn NOW!!! while being semi-competent at whatever specialty I'm engaged in. The firehose of information can get exhausting, especially when you see how much new shiny is yet another wrapper on a wrapper on a layer on a framework on a container on a virtualization platform.

    Long term survival in the IT world without winding up a washed-up middle manager or project manager means being flexible. Don't go too far down rabbit holes...the good money is only temporary and will require another massive effort to climb out and back down the next one.

    1. Re: Going too far down rabbit holes by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Diving in and out of rabbit holes. That is how I view IT as well. That is what I rely on for job security.

    2. Re:Going too far down rabbit holes by jon3k · · Score: 2

      CCNP-level engineers who knew the network back and forth could easily make huge salaries and they're largely being replaced by SDN managed by the ISP or someone in India.

      I definitely disagree with this. We cannot find or retain CCNPs. We have three open positions for CCNA/CCNP right now. And we are SD-WAN customers, we have Citrix SD-WAN deployed at almost 50 locations right now. Don't drink the Kool-Aid, it won't magically replace your need for network admins.

  26. Re:IT is the tech 'car mechanic' by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    Companies vary. Sometimes they hire the cheapest of the cheap IT people, with no interview lasting longer than it takes to present a Microsoft stamped certificate that proves that they have attended a class. Some companies do better here, with smarter IT up the chain away from the support desk.

    Smaller companies in my experience tend to hire better people, because each IT worker has got to manage so many more things.

    Really large companies all outsource everything, so instead of ignorant American cookie cutter IT clones, they hire cheaper foreign cookie cutter IT clones. (solution to the workers here is to stop being clones and compete on quality instead of price)

  27. Health by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The most likely thing to go wrong is your body. In your 20â(TM)s and 30â(TM)s many of us ignore the growing joint pain, lower back, neck and hands.
    It destroyed my career and financial security. At 40 I changed my life and repaired carpal tunnel and tendonitis, and got myself fit and also lots of yoga. If only someone told me when I was 25. Now Iâ(TM)m 45 and bill about 25 hours a week comfortably. But it will never be more than that.
    You can recover from learning the wrong platform but this stuff will shut you down.

  28. How to stay employed by magzteel · · Score: 2

    Never stop learning. Make sure you stay current. Use every position as an opportunity to learn new things.
    Manage perception. Make sure people see you as a subject matter expert and a person with high commercial value.
    Network effectively. Stay in touch with people as they change jobs.
    Proactively seek new opportunities.
    Negotiate hard for the compensation you want. This is another aspect of perception management.


    I've been continuously employed and well paid in this industry for over 34 years. Just changed jobs again.

  29. That is a great point about Meetup by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Nowadays you can find lots of interesting Meetup groups on all kinds of technical subjects. That kind of socializing is probably even more useful in terms of long term connections for finding jobs, but also helping to expand what you know and not remain too static... just the act of constantly learning will bleed over even into day to day work.

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  30. Marriage followed by Divorce by pecosdave · · Score: 2

    In my particular case the court appointed psychiatrist thought that having had more than ten jobs over the past ten years at the age of 28 meant I was unstable. This of course was a woman in her sixties who's parents put her through an ivy-league school then never really had to hustle a day in her life because her dad was politically connected and got her connected to several judges who sent her business as often as she wanted in exchange for campaign contributions. She literally had a quarter million dollar a year position handed to her right out of college due to her connection and it just went up from there. Let's look at theses ten jobs over ten years at the age of 28 - most of them were in the first four years of that span, meaning right out of high-school moving from the sticks to the city without a connected family. The home town video store, to security guard - still aged 18 - that only lasted about eight months, to manufacturing, to better manufacturing to engineering to supporting businesses, to supporting satellite earth stations for gas companies. You're supposed to go through a bunch of jobs right after high school to work your way up in your career, the job as of the time of the shrink visit was at four years. Something else she held against me - the company I worked for when I first moved to Houston dissolved and formed a company in partnership with one of our clients. I worked for the same people more or less for four years, but since it was two different companies I changed jobs on paper and that contributed to my instability. When I did work for one of the oil companies who I worked for changed four times while I sat in the same desk in the same office - that was job hopping to her. It's almost like she was programmed into government technicality stupid mode. You would think someone doing that job for that long could understand people without a silver spoon in their rectums having to climb a ladder and someone who lived in Houston all their lives having some understanding about oil companies.

    My next job was a pretty good one. It's wasn't super awesome, I stayed in one spot for 8 years at about ~$50,000 simply because I've been in a custody stale-mate the whole time and I wanted to keep the shrink happy. I had more opportunities come up, but I refused to take any risks, the sheer magnitude of my child support combined with well-timed extra expenses kept me from ever developing any kind of buffer zone for risk combined with the fact even if I found something better it would be a red mark as far as the shrink was concerned caused me to remain stagnant. My job at NASA was finally Obamanated after 8 years and I'm coming up at 4 at the next place. Fortunately within the position I'm at we're making changes in my department to actually form a subsidiary company and I might have a chance to make some risk taking type advancement without the same risk taking stigma I would take on my own. Regardless it's only a few years until my kid hits adulthood at this point and even though I don't truly have the buffer zone anymore it matters less.

    I was considered a wiz-kid well ahead of the curve when I first started out. Even after I leveled out a little I was still upwardly mobile and making waves. After getting married to a sociopath the career brakes were hit hard.

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    1. Re: Marriage followed by Divorce by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Court ordered shrink.

      Not my choice, it's the one who was buying $1,000 a plate meals at the judges election dinner.

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    2. Re:Marriage followed by Divorce by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Whatever. Marriage has been proven to be a net positive for men. Just because you have psychiatric problems and/or made a poor choice in a woman doesn't change that. Grow up.

    3. Re:Marriage followed by Divorce by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Asshole, you obviously didn't read it.

      You're right, poor choice in a woman. Of course a bad choice in women shouldn't be a court enforced multi-decade punishment for a man, especially when you can prove the woman was the screw up. I grew up well ahead of most of my peers, the court system is designed so that ONLY men have to grow up responsible.

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    4. Re: Marriage followed by Divorce by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      The other shrink I only saw a couple of times BTW flat said to me, after tell me I was among the most mentally well adjusted people she had ever talked to asked me "You're here for validation aren't you?" Bingo.

      I'm not asking for sympathy, that's an emotional need I'm well beyond for the most part. What I want is corruption fixed. If no one shines a spotlight on it nothing gets fixed. Unfortunately you're one of those types of people what when they see a problem with a spotlight on it ignore the obvious and double down on the narrative. If you would have seen the entire break-out scene from the Green Mile where the guy had info to free Andy you would have just said he shouldn't have been out there trying to escape.

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    5. Re:Marriage followed by Divorce by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      This is one of the few good replies I've received.

      I was actually on the MGTOW bandwagon until my second wife, who is an exception to the norm. I've known her dad all my life and we're on the same frequency, she was raised well, she is not one of the modern women the MGTOW movement formed over, but a woman of a couple of generations ago. A true out of time gem. I spent a decade following the MGTOW movement until I find out this lovely young woman went through something just as traumatic as I did, so I offered her some guidance mostly because I respected her dad so much. She was taken advantage of for exactly the same reason I was - she was innocent of most of the worst that was thrown at her and couldn't fathom people being that horrible until experiencing it. Long story short the fact I came along with no intention of trying to get in her pants and offered real support she wasn't going to let me go. BTW - her dad was incredibly happy to find out she had fallen for me. I actually tried to hold her at arms length at first.

      My message to the MGTOW movement - you're doing the right thing in response to the the general environment being wrong. I fully think you're doing the right thing, and modern women deserve to have good men removed for the prospect pool in response to the way men like me get railroaded. Don't write off all women - there are still good ones. They mostly exist in small towns and rural areas, and even non-US countries. They for the most part have strong religious backgrounds - regardless of how you feel about religion having a strong background teaching you not to fuck people over on a core fundamental level makes a difference. These types of women however generally won't have anything to do with MGTOW types who are just out to get laid and move on.

      Don't become what you are protesting. Be honest about who you are and why, you can sometimes find a special someone that doesn't fit the mold of why you joined the MGTOW movement.

      Another thing: I shared this link with my wife while we were still dating. She agreed with it after reading it and had no idea us dudes were in such a pickle and agreed with it. http://www.the-niceguy.com/art...

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  31. Re:Mental Health by pecosdave · · Score: 2

    Other peoples mental health seems to be an issue I have to keep dealing with.

    Married then divorced a socio-path. Dated several women that turned out having a lot worse issues than they let onto at first. Then thanks to corrupt courts my daughter lived with the sociopath instead of me, now she has some severe issues as a result.

    I've been to two shrinks in my lifetime - the one the court made me go to and the one that I had free access to at one of my previous jobs.

    The one I had free access to pretty much told me I was one of the most well adjusted people she had ever met and I had a phenomenal ability to deal with stress and hardship - most people would have had severe breakdowns after what I've been through. I told her I never had the luxury of having a window of low responsibility to allow myself to have a breakdown, I was too busy to have my own mental health issues. She liked the answer.

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  32. Being an Employee and not learning on your own! by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

    I am 2 months away from the end of my 30th year as an independent contractor. Over the years, I have worked with different languages and tech. in different fields/markets.

    The basic issue is learn something new every 6 months. And stay on top of where tech. is going.

    Also, it does not hurt to love what you do ;) I have been fishing every day of the week for 30 years. I am 62 and I am never going to retire, heck may as well get paid to fish ;)

  33. Re: Being shot by the cops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cops are trained to shoot someone if they look like they are reached for a weapon hidden in the waistband of their pants. Pulling up your shorts also looks like reaching for a weapon. If it is thought there is more than one suspect inside a room, all other suspects are asked to move away from the door. The other cop was doing the shouting giving instructions like "crawl towards me, with your legs crossed at the ankles". That led to his pants falling down, which in turn led to the guy reaching back to pull his pants back up, which in turn leads to the cop shooting him.

  34. Alas Poor Yorik.... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 1

    Well, I read the article and quite frankly... IT isn't the same merit based environment it once was.

    Which essentially means I do not care. Having made the right moves in the 90s and 2000s I'm not worried about "today". I live in a rural area and work as a PC tech along side engineers who cannot hold a candle to my skill set. But... it's a better life. I'm 52 now. Did my first coding in 1979, first professional gig in 1984. I've accomplished everything I wanted to. I do not need to "earn"....

    My career goals are now as follows:

    1. Earn beer money.
    2. Keep wife happy.
    3. Play with my dogs.
    4. Keep the weight off.
    5. Remain technically skilled (because I enjoy it)
    6. Maybe accept an engineering position at my employer when one opens.

    Beyond that... if you are my age and still chasing the big bucks my opinion is that you are missing out on life.

    My big plan for 2018? Combine my 30 years of IT and electronics experience with a FCC GROL and do some interesting work for the maritime shipping industry and aviation.

    Quality of life is everything guys. I burned the candle hot until I was 45. Have an exit strategy in place so you can go live a life outside of the corporate weenie-sphere..

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    1. Re:Alas Poor Yorik.... by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      Nice ;)

  35. Getting stuck as a maintenance engineer by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    Pretty much fixing bugs and working under other engineers who are in charge of the actually projects is considered low prestige. Admittedly it's expect you do this early in your career to get some experience. However if for any reason you get stuck doing this for any length of time once you have experience or find yourself transitioned to this role it becomes harder and harder to get out of that role and staying here will stall your career. Ways you can definitely tell you're basically consider a grunt and not to be trusted with anything include never being invited to any meetings, never being in charge of a new product, and never being asked your opinion by management or if you give it you're just ignored or talked over. If you find this happening to you the best bet is to just find another job where you won't be typecast.

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  36. I can think of three... by GlennC · · Score: 2

    1. Being over 40
    2. Being a US Citizen
    3. Being White

    I'm sure that there are others.

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    1. Re:I can think of three... by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      What a Crock! Am 62, US Citizen, White and self employed independent IT Contractor. Do not fall for the standard Victimization. The moment you accept it, you can not fix your own problems! And that is what they want!

  37. Brainfuck by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    Doing all your scripting in Brainfuck. Yes, you're a genius if you can do it - but it is rather complex to maintain...

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  38. Pigeonhole yourself to one job, one skill, or one by technomom · · Score: 2

    I see this all the time. "I'm a web developer, I don't want to learn any backend services stuff.", "I'm a DB person. I don't code." In this market you'll be competing against full stack developers who do everything including all that devops stuff to deploy apps. Good luck with your career if you don't keep up with at least a few skills. Don't be a one trick pony in IT. It doesn't work anymore.

  39. Taking a career hiatus. by hey! · · Score: 1

    Took several years off because one of my kids was sick. Right decision, but it killed my career.

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  40. Toxic managers and fear of resume damage by mmdurrant · · Score: 2

    I've had 3 truly toxic managers in my career. One of them I didn't realize until after, but if you ever wonder, "Is it normal for my boss to undermine my efforts?", the answer is a resounding NO. Get out. As soon as you can. No paycheck is worth having to battle a person who should be your advocate.

    I had _3_ < 1 year positions in a row. I was lucky in that the first and second had very reasonable explanations and the third was honestly just bad placement. I'm a jack of all trades developer but they were expecting an RBMS _expert_ - someone who had experience with gigantic databases and performance optimization. One of those kinda monastic tech disciplines.

    Provided you don't make completely terrible decisions, the occasional mar isn't going to tank your career. Staying in a shitty position or one you're just not fit for is going to do far more damage.

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  41. Re:Do they mean "IT" or Developing Code? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Well, it is a low level job, and it might include refilling printer paper.

    Maybe they find it unpleasant simply because of their own bad attitude?

    Most of the job is simply looking up what the fix for something is, or repeating fixes you did before. It is technical, but not skilled.

  42. Re: Being shot by the cops by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

    pissing someone off from india.

  43. burn out by Coolfish · · Score: 1

    Working overtime with no vacation with three or four project managers breathing down the back of your neck while your boss who has ADHD keeps piling on new (but useless) projects. Burn out can hit you and hit you hard.

  44. Re:Do they mean "IT" or Developing Code? by mikael · · Score: 1

    At the time (back in the 1980's), office LAN's were still based on the yellow and blue Ethernet cables along with vampire taps. The flash ROM's on the network boards (about the size of GPU's back then), would fail once in a while. Either one board would start transmitting non-stop or not even respond. Other times, two cards would end up with the same MAC address. This was really flaky stuff. There weren't any firewalls across the networks, so when one PC blew up, the whole building went down. That would lead to a tsunami of phone calls of people asking whether the helpdesk knew the network was down.

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  45. Re:No by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Yet all the double-blind studies show that women are more likely to get interviews and job offers in IT than men.

    Yes, it's sexism - but not the direction you're suggesting.

  46. And one other thing - Millennials by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    Oh, and a brief side note.

    The people who complain about Millennials? I have absolutely NO idea what they are going on about. I work with a couple dozen of them. I've never met a smarter, more energetic, more knowledgeable bunch in my life. Their dedication to getting things done is astounding. I'm amazed daily by how competent and informed these folks are.

    I strongly suspect the people who have problems with Millennials have never been around a group of them trying to figure out why the server is having problems. Maybe I'm just lucky and happen to work with a good bunch, but I doubt it.

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  47. A Big One by leapis · · Score: 1

    DROP TABLE

  48. Re:Pigeonhole yourself to one job, one skill, or o by technomom · · Score: 1

    Sure, but the two things are not mutually exclusive. You can get pretty deep into several topics and still be a full stack developer. But I can tell you from first hand experience that we rarely hire for full time jobs someone who is an expert in only one or two things but has no desire to expand their knowledge beyond that. Much more likely to hire the person who has done it all but has particular depth in one or two topics. Further, when times are tough, the people let go are the one trick ponies. Those that we know are flexible and adept at picking up new things are the ones we keep.

  49. Re:No by Rande · · Score: 1

    Because women don't apply? They'd rather work in fields that are more flexible around child care?

  50. Re:Do they mean "IT" or Developing Code? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    No, a computer taking down the network for others does not have to do with "firewalls" (strange thing to say, that) it was because you were on a token ring network.

  51. Re:Pigeonhole yourself to one job, one skill, or o by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    I've found that "Sure, I don't know anything about it, but I'll give it a try" has worked pretty well over my career.

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  52. Let's discuss the 20 ways.... by acoustix · · Score: 1

    - Jumping ship
    I haven't done it yet. But I know people that do it a lot and they get paid a lot more than I do for the same amount of work/responsibilities.

    - Folding under pressure
    I cool as a cucumber under pressure because I take the time to figure out what's causing the issue. My management isn't. I have found that not running around like a headless chicken appears to hurt me. They mistake calm for not caring. I'm not joking.

    - Burning bridges
    I haven't done this that I'm aware of at this point.

    - Missing opportunities
    I've missed many professional opportunities. But I feel that my workload didn't allow for it to happen.

    - Skipping social events
    There's not many to take advantage of, but I go out when the opportunity presents itself. On a side note, my alcohol intake has increased dramatically over the years. It seems to have matched my stress levels.

    - Aiming low
    I don't do this. Any project worth doing is worth doing all the way.

    - Shortchanging your compensation
    I'm guilty. I didn't know what I didn't know.

    - Not knowing your worth
    I know it now. And it frustrates the hell out of me.

    - Failing to understand the business
    This is a tough one. The first few years I felt like I was actively being kept out of the loop. Then when I was made director I know I've been left out of the loop. How many companies hold scheduled management meetings without an I.T. director present? Do you think good technology discussions and decisions are being made? I'll hang up and listen...

    - Forgetting who’s writing the checks
    I know where my paycheck comes from.

    - Trouble with non-tech staff
    This can be difficult at times, but it's always achievable.

    - Staying in your comfort zone
    I don't think there is a comfort zone within I.T. It covers too much. If you can't find something new to do within I.T. you're not trying hard enough.

    - Lack of interpersonal skills
    "Well look, I already told you! I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to! I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people! Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"

    - Failing to adapt
    This can be tough as it seems that some IT processes are cyclical. Mainframe (centralized) > desktops (distributed) > virtual desktops (centralized)

    - Pursuing post-grad education without focus
    This can be difficult if you don't live in a high population area. Outside of urban centers many employers don't care about certifications.

    - Wandering away from a training opportunity
    I have recently refocused my department on the topic of ongoing training. They love it....I think.

    - Not being Zen
    Also difficult. I found it hard to let go of the overall network admin roles when moving into management. On to new adventures...

    - Thinking you made it
    Networking is key in my view. I'm in constant communication with many other IT pros in my area. It's a huge benefit.

    I'm not going to make it through all 20...

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