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'Cards Against Humanity' Gives Out $1000 Checks (nbcchicago.com)
An anonymous reader writes: In November "Cards Against Humanity" announced "a complicated holiday promotion" where people paid $15 for six surprises in December. (For the first surprise in the Cards Against Humanity Saves America promotion, "we purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall.") The second surprise was the launch of a new podcast filled with positive news, and for the third surprise, they're redistributing the money people paid to join the event. "Most of our subscribers (about 140,000 people) got nothing today — they could have it worse. The next 10,000 subscribers received a full $15 refund of their Cards Against Humanity Saves America purchase. Finally, the poorest 100 people received a check for $1,000, paid for by everyone else."
A new web page shares stories from the grateful participants, and explains the site's careful methodology for determining who needed the $1,000 checks the most. ("We excluded all Canadians. They already have universal healthcare. They'll be fine.") It argues that wealth inequality is the biggest issue in the world, but "Our lawyers advised against our first choice — a campaign to eat all the rich people and live in their houses — so we settled for something more achievable."
A new web page shares stories from the grateful participants, and explains the site's careful methodology for determining who needed the $1,000 checks the most. ("We excluded all Canadians. They already have universal healthcare. They'll be fine.") It argues that wealth inequality is the biggest issue in the world, but "Our lawyers advised against our first choice — a campaign to eat all the rich people and live in their houses — so we settled for something more achievable."
to send them 15 bucks, so i missed out on the thousand. gee, thanks, but the 'poorest' didn't get the check.
It sounds like a newfangled Ponzi Scheme.
That anyone who gave $15 to such a group was, almost by definition, not 'poor'.
This really looks like a big pile of 'how can we virtue signal the strongest', using other peoples money just to make it worse.
I must actually listen to their 'positive news' podcast, to get a better handle on what they consider positive - I am guessing its just more self-ego-stroking from their self-selected echo chambers, but hey, I could be wrong.
They have created something.
They bought some land, split it into tiny parcels and organized the sale of those parcels to thousands of individuals. Now in order to seize the land that Trump wants to build it on the government will have to organize thousands of compulsory purchases (or whatever you call them in the US). Every single one can be contested.
They have created an effective legal barrier to the wall.
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It'd be far easier to spend that money on an increased payout (such as $10k for the same 100 people) by forgoing the land expenses.
"we purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall."
Then the wall would end up being built around that plot, becoming prohibitively expensive to use.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
This SJW bullshit is like a cancer, making all of my favorite sites political.
Why is this story here? News for nerds? Nope. Stuff that matters? Nope.
BTW, Max Temkin, co-creator of Cards Against Humanity is facing multiple allegations of rape. He uses his wealth to threaten to sue his victims.
That comment about Canada, is actually what concerns me most about liberal politics.
They are poor people all over the world who are suffering. Some may not have the resources to manage the bureaucracy of a government healthcare system. This indicates if they have services available they will be fine, which is far from the truth. And sounds like we are trying to dump all the worlds problems on policy changes vs caring about other people.
Rules and policies are more or less are designed to take the poor people out of our view vs doing anything to help them.
Now we need good safety nets and protection policy to help keep people out of poverty but we need people to be engaged to the problems that will still exist.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I'm Israeli and I'm not sure if they do. We keep relying on palestinians to work inside our borders, and we are also racist to our arab citizens in a way that makes them identify with palestine more than they do with us.
Maybe the wall has some benefit, but you can't just use it and magically forget about the people on the other side.
Avantgarde Hebrew science fiction
You already paid him, that's what's important.
Avantgarde Hebrew science fiction
Just as there are signs in Arizona effectively declaring miles of land to be "at your own risk", one could easily get around the parcel by building around the land. No different than building around a mountain or river.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
This is the best way to thwart a government. Non-violent, meaningful action works very well against tyrannical governments. History has two big prominent examples: Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Any actions that we can take to stop the Tump Bully Machine are good ones.
How is this any more communist then wealthy republicans donating to their causes?
Actually the republicans donate more money then democrats do, often to help the poor and charities.
It’s their money they can use it to buy a solid gold toilet or they can buy land to try to stop the government from spending money on a symbol to say we don’t like brown people.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I'm not sure they've really thought this through.
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No. Not really.
How many of those people have the funds to defend against an Eminent Domain claim by the government?
I'm gonna bet it's someplace between "damn few" and "none".
All they've done is increased the amount of paperwork a bit. A nuisance at best.
So, sure, most of these people will be "compensated" some money when the land is seized. And that'll be the end of it.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Yeah, they seem like complete cunts. And 'Cards Against Humanity' is about as fun as cancer. It's for cunty blue stater hipsters who get a kick out saying edgy phrases like 'passable trannies' in a situation where it is socially acceptable, but would gleefully wreck your life if you said anything like that outside of that context.
I mean if you're going be edgy, at least do it with conviction. A song that those same hipsters got pulled from Youtube for 'hate speech'. I suspect Tyrant Fashister is probably less of an authoritarian than these people.
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they're serving as an example of what should be done on a broader scale
Really? Get rich through invention, creativity and good marketing, then use other people's money to make grand gestures that benefit almost nobody?
They come across as entrepreneurs turned pretentious pricks.
>Actually the republicans donate more money then democrats do, often to help the poor and charities.
really where are the numbers ? And relatively more or absolutely more ?
Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
This is what happens when you try to play politics instead of minding your own fucking business.
I toss you into the toilet.
In a democracy, politics is every fucking citizen's fucking business. Not minding it leads to Trump and similar catastrophes, controlled by those that do mind....
Stephan
Liberals would rather have massive Latino immigration rather than leveling the playing field with African and Asian immigration, who are mostly following the legal path.
Have you been looking to Europe lately, where they have exactly that?
Do you REALLY think that's better?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You mean the ones crying the loudest about morals are also the worst offenders? It's almost like they're just like the right wing religious nutjobs that get caught cheating on their wife with some guy in a public toilet...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Why should they be different than others who pretend to be "philanthropists" because they "gave" a fraction of a percent of their income to some investment disguised as a good deed?
Mostly 'cause it gave them a tax break, anyway...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
In a "he said, she said" situation, how come "I feel like I was assaulted" is more valid than "I feel like I didn't assault you"?
In case of Israel the question is not whether your state behaves like an arse but what would have happened if you tried to live by your principles of open society with each citizen respecting others etc.? How do you think it would take to end up in a shithole the other states around are? I say this even if I disagree with building of the wall and settlements on territories not belonging to Israel. It does not help that you or even the whole of Israel unilaterally declare peace and love - they will come and do things to you. This is said state of affairs there. Not sure why that is so. It may have something to do with faith and the fact that some Arabs have too much money for nothing in form of oil (I wonder however what happens when overcrowded Saudi Arabia etc cannot sustain its growing population with oil profits anymore - is another but related issue).
It really was a peach to the owners to get free advertising and increase sales. That's a very sweet and charming thing to do.
Oh wait, aren't we supposed to hate corporations? What a terrible progressive dilemma
They spend X amount of money on an eminent domain lawyer, the government spends 100 times that amount winning the lawsuit over a few years. There. Cost the taxpayers tons of money to prove no point.
Even the Berlin wall, with its armed guards and minefields, couldn't keep East Germans put of West Germany (Well, really keep them in East Germany). Walls don't work, and neither will Trumps.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Um, that's idiotic. I am totally against building a wall, but the Berlin wall was extremely effective. But Germany is tiny compared to what Trump is proposing.
A pure democracy will never work as there will always be way too many idiots wanting to tinker with the engine of civilization. They have no idea what a intake valve or piston is for, and they have protests about the unfair treatment of the bacteria trapped in the air filter.
Let me rephrase for people who prefer non-constructively narrow readings: In a republic ("if you can keep it", with apologies to Ben Franklin), politics is every fucking citizen's fucking business. Not minding it leads to Trump and similar catastrophes, controlled by those that do mind....
Stephan
You can't bitch about the government not having enough money to pay for healthcare, and then in the same breath proudly claim you're doing things to cost the government more money.
FAQ: I’m poor and I’m mad that I didn’t get any money.
"Our bad. We had to guess how much money you had with limited data. The US government actually knows how much money you have and has trillions of dollars to redistribute. Why don’t you get mad at the US government?"
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I don't think we can draw any conclusions from this. She offers no details and no-one else has come forward with similar experiences or corroboration. Since she has chosen to not take the matter up with any authority and Tempkin has decided not to sue, we will likely never get any investigation or facts.
This is why it is so important that those in authority are approachable, that they believe those who come to them, and that they handle the matter properly. Otherwise this is what we get, court of the internet trials with literally zero evidence.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Liberals would rather have massive Latino immigration rather than leveling the playing field with African and Asian immigration, who are mostly following the legal path.
Have you been looking to Europe lately, where they have exactly that?
Do you REALLY think that's better?
Yes I have looked at Europe and it's not like that at all. Hundreds of thousands of "refugees" are coming in each year and public services are struggling to bear the weight, even in socialist paradises like Sweden where firefighters and ambulances need police escorts to even enter some neighborhoods.
Who runs this company the DNC? I guess they don't care about selling to half the country. They should change their name, "Cards against conservatism".
but we know now from Weinstien, Franken, Laurer, and all the rest that the loudest voices for women are always the worst offenders.
You mean the ones crying the loudest about morals are also the worst offenders? It's almost like they're just like the right wing religious nutjobs that get caught cheating on their wife with some guy in a public toilet...
Which goes to show that on all sides of the political spectrum, the sorts of people who get into politics, especially national politics, are possessed of a type of narcissistic self-superiority that exempts them form the very things they try to force on others.
There are plenty of good hard-working liberals who just think that what they do, who they marry, and who immigrates into the US shouldn't really trouble the government very much, just like there are plenty of hard-working conservatives who think that where they go to church, how many guns they own, and how much money they make shouldn't trouble the government very much.
But then you have liberals who advocate taxing the "rich" (which is easy for people like the Clintons to advocate, for example, when the bulk of their money goes through their foundation, and also easy for people with family to advocate since the taxes under discussion always on income, not on wealth), or granting legal status to illegal immigrants (all the while taking advantage of their illegal status to pay them below poverty wages and otherwise take advantage of them). And you also have conservatives crusading for morality while living secret lives awash in the very sins they publicly condemn, and claiming to want to reward hard-working people while perpetuating a crony-capitalist oligarchy.
Either way, the point is that it is par for the course for politicians in general. I am not sure how to fix it, but term limits might be a good start. And not just term limits on a particular office, but something like a 10 year limit on serving in any federal elected office and the same thing for state-level office. I'm not sure what else might work, but as the electorate we have to do something.
We have to quit with the "this person is despicable but I am going to support them anyway because of how much worse I think the other party's person is." That crazy thing about the US 2016 presidential election is that it seems like there were more people voting for Clinton to vote against Trump and more people voting for Trump to vote against Clinton than people that voted in actual support of the candidate for whom they cast their vote. Think about what that says of our political system and our society.
...of the very, very fine line between clever and stupid.
-Styopa
A while back I heard about RollingJubilee.org. They purchase debt on the secondary market (did you know there is a secondary market for individual debt? I didn't know that before hearing of this group) for a small fraction of its face value and then forgive it. This includes lots of student loan and medical debt in particular.
It so happens that this ends up being about as non-biased in its selection of debt as you can be, as well - the debts are bundled (like mortgages) which has the result of the group never knowing whose debt they are purchasing when they purchase it (until after they have it). Have you ever had a collections agency call you about an overdue debt? At that point your debt has already been sold at least once on a secondary market. This group comes in after that point to buy the debts that the first collections agencies have given up on. These debts are still valid when they buy them; they are legally entitled to collect on their full value if they want but instead they contact the debtors and forgive them.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Why weren't you saying the same thing when Obama signed his 800 mile border wall extension in 2013 ?
It's just trump is evil ?
"Walls" actually work pretty well against illegal immigration, whether it's an actual wall, a moat, patrolling guards, coast guard, or something else. They just don't work 100%. This is the same kind of argument people use against improving highways because "the traffic jam will just move a couple of kilometers down the road". By that logic, you could just open up the border and let everyone in.
"Walls don't work" is a meaningless slogan. Instead assess how big an issue Latino immigration actually is, and what impact Trump's wall will actually make compared to what's currently on the border. Not a lot, probably.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Their goal was to prevent the wall being built, saving billions of dollars. If they can delay long enough Trump might run out of time or political capital to do it.
Or did you think Mexico was paying for it?
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So you can bitch about the govt not spending money on healthcare, and waste the money they spend on wrong priorities
You can, but it's still pretty hypocritical. Government services cost money. If there's less of it to go around because you're purposely creating road blocks to quash initiatives that are more than likely going through, there will be less money to go around after those initiatives are completed, or become a continuous sunk cost. Their efforts would be better spent on donating to campaigns in what they feel are key states to get the right people in congress.
"Things women do lie about: what they ate for lunch. Things women don't lie about: rape."
-- Lena Dunham, Aug 5, 2017
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
not only that, but they arent making it more costly for trump, they are making it more costly for tax paying americans.
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Socialist paradises like Sweden worked great when they were a Northern European monoculture. Embracing the cult of multiculturalism isn't working too great.
Also, I used the term Socialist loosely. When Sweden was much more Socialist than it is today, it was experiencing many of the problems that go hand in hand with socialism. It's only as they liberalized over the last several decades that they became a paradise. In many ways they are less socialist than the US. They are at best (or worst) a mixed economy, not socialist.
Hogwash. All the President has to do is declare the border a National Monument.
That comment about Canada, is actually what concerns me most about liberal politics.
Total disregard for all foreigners is not liberal politics, it's American politics.
It's hard not to notice how angry conservatives get when people who don't agree with them exercise their First Amendment rights.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Richer idiots than you, apparently
Snicker
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Good thing this is a republic then!
See my other reply, but also see e.g.
But then, these are all dead white men, so what do they know!
Stephan
"we purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall.")
Slashdot has become the toilet.into which all manner of SJW shit stories have been dropped like a deuce from Fat Bastard in Austin Powers
WTF?
The Wall in Israel dramatically reduced the number of murdered Israeli citizens by forcing the bombers and assassins through security checkpoints, where most are either caught or turn back.
Of all the things you can complain about, having a wall that physically separates the Israelis from a group of people whom 60% want to genocide them is not one of them.
In Germany, for one, it is _impossible_ to find work without papers. Because the fines for the employers are high five figures for each illegal worker, plus very close monitoring for years after.
Europe doesn't have a fucking clue. They have only just _started_ to see flows on the scale the USA has had for decades. As you say, those flows are crashing the system.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
A border wall with Mexico isn't a wall against a military assault, it's a wall against illegal migrants and drug smugglers. Can such walls work? You bet. They presented a big obstacle to the millions trying to flee from the socialist East Bloc into the capitalist West. That's why people trying to escape socialism hid in car trunks or even built hot air balloons.
Of course, before building a wall, the US should do what other civilized nations do, which is to ensure every American can easily prove their citizenship and requiring proof of legal presence in the US for government benefits, employment, schooling, housing, taxation, and banking.
Whoever 'hacked' the DNC and Hillary is a hero!
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Gift them the wall, require they pay for ongoing maintenance. That'll teach em.
Here you go. A few interesting takeaways:
1. Conservative households tend to make about 6% less than Liberal households, yet give 30% more to charity.
2. There are more "big donors" (those who give over $1000) among Conservatives than Liberals
3. In the 2012 Presidential election, the top 15 charitable States all voted for the GOP; the bottom 15 overwhelmingly (13 of 15) voted for the Democrats.
4. Religious people (usually more on the Conservative side of things) tend to overwhelmingly give to charities as compared to non-religious
5. Married people (who tend to be more conservative on average) give much more than unmarried people
6. The US by far and away is the most charitable nation on Earth
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Some Americans kill other Americans. When they do, it's Much more effective than any Mexican.
Didn't one right wing nut bomb a government building some years ago?
Charities are often scams on both sides. e.g. The Clinton Global Fund. Why did it's funding go dry the day the bitch lost?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
The US government spends more per capita on healthcare than almost any other nation. Yes, the US government, excluding the private sector.
The problem with the US healthcare system isn't excessive stinginess by the government, it is excessive costs and excessive prices. And the ACA did nothing to address excessive costs and prices (because drug companies, lawyers, and doctors tend to be big donors), instead it simply tried to force Americans to pay those excessive prices in perpetuity, which ensures that this will never get fixed.
And by "healthcare", you mean the yachts and estates of wealthy doctors, insurance company executives, and pharmaceutical companies.
How about making terms in Congress akin to jury duty? You get selected and bam! You're in congress for 2 years. Or perhaps not congress but your local city/county/state government. Make it a burden. OR, once someone is elected into office, they don't get paid their salary. They get a house, transportation, clothing, food, basically what you get when you're in the military, and a small monthly stipend. Then, when their term is up, their constituents vote on how well they represented them, an "approval rating" of sorts. That resulting percentage determines what percentage of back pay they receive. The incentive is to represent their constituents and if they manage to get reelected, perhaps tack a bonus on dependent on the difference between the votes they received and the votes the person they beat out receives. I dunno, just off the top of my head here.
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
No, we're shaming those homosexuals that are shaming homosexuals.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I have no problem there. And I actually also don't have a problem with him getting fucked by some big cocked black guy in his favorite public toilet.
I have a problem with him claiming some moral high ground and spouting bullshit like how fags are going to hell. But I'm sure his god will forgive him, he always does to the real believers, no matter what kind of asshole they really are.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And guess what: That's African and Asians coming in legally.
Again: Wanna trade? Most people here would gladly do so.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Judging by her looks, aardvark?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
How about making terms in Congress akin to jury duty?
It would be simpler to just repeal the 17th. That really screwed the citizens.
Have you played Cards Against Humanity? Have you ever thought that maybe there's some humor woven in to their actions?
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
Walls work temporarily, but eventually they fail. Look at all the walls of history, no ancient wall marks a modern border.
Nice idea for just the lot in question and the area surrounding it. Another possibility is walling off the area as an unrecoverable toxic waste site. Same wall, different reason.
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Why weren't you saying the same thing when Obama signed his 800 mile border wall extension in 2013 ?
It's just trump is evil ?
Probably because in reality, what Obama was doing was different, namely a measured and considered response that reflected a rational desire to mitigate harm that was based on acutal problems, and not the blatant hyperbole that Trump resorted to, which is really Trump's own fault because of his personal lack of temperance and desire to concoct imagined demons to fight. In fact, he himself rejected the fencing of the Bush and Obama days in preference to his own concrete edifice. Among other castigations.
You see, some of us haven't forgotten that Trump denounced Democrats for "an open door policy" that was entirely his concoction while falsely claiming phony successes of his own.
But hey, great that you're admitting that Trump lied. One lie down, dozens to go!
And these people are liable for property taxes and the like...
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The lawsuits only have to hold off the wall for 3 years (maybe, God forbid, 7), until we get someone in office who'll drop it. In the end, they'll cost less than the wall, a net savings.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Well, sure, if you turn your brain off. Or you could recognize that the two issues are very different, and the âoecost moreâ part is intended as a deterrent, not just to take money out of the governmentâ(TM)s pockets.
and include a free bar of pink soap with every game?
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
You're in favour of allowing the government to come onto private property and build things against the owner's wishes?
Are you a socialist, or a full-on communist?
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
FTFY, because Trump isn't actually paying for it personally. It's kind of like keying your own car to get back at the dealership.
IANAL but I would think that considering they've announced very publicly the exact reason they bought this land was to block the wall, it makes it much easier for the government case to take it back.
I'm also finding very odd how they are taking all these political stances for some reason, as if a card game where one of the cards is "two midgets shitting in a bucket" is somehow going to be a rallying point for political dissent. Fools and their money I suppose.
I have never commented as an "Anonymous Coward", and I doubt I ever will. The tactic you suggest is deeply dishonest, and the fact that you would accuse somebody of behaving that way says a lot more about you than it does about me.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Only a conservative could be so reality-averse they are able to ignore the almost daily public temper tantrums thrown by the current US President while accusing liberals of being immature.
Thanks for the chuckle.
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...until she doesn't.
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
By that logic we shouldn't protest anything the government does because if it doesn't work out just wastes money. Money is clearly the most important thing here, a few million in litigation tops out of the billions being pissed away on this thing.
Or maybe we could go really nuts and claim it's a subsidy to Mexico. A 30ft high wall is a massive stimulus program for 31ft ladder manufacturers south of the border.
Also, well done calling my post retarded. Really adds credibility to your argument-by-Trump "it will definitely happen, and it will be easy" narrative.
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The fact you think that bankers are lefties makes me laugh.
No dude, the bankers are firmly in the âoefuck you I got mineâ lobbyists section of the GOP payroll.
Walls only work to keep people IN. The are ineffective to keep people from coming in because you can not protect the outside from the inside.
The anti-Mexican wall will only keep a small handful of career criminals from climbing over it. Everyone else arrives legally and overstays.
We already have too many deeply stupid people in Congress, and your plan wouldn't improve things. On the plus side, the moral character of the general population is probably superior to most members of Congress, and 2 years limits the amount of time they'd have to become corrupted.
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No one has ever accused the American government of not having enough money to pay for healthcare.
The American government hasn't allocated enough money to pay for healthcare.
That's a very VERY big difference and the amount they allocate has nothing to do with how much this comical protest will cost the government.
I see that somehow donations to religious institutions count for 39% of those donations. sounds a lot like the buyout of indulgentia in the late middle ages.
Does that 30% more to "charity" include tithes and other donations to their church? If so, then they are buying their places in heaven and donating to their local social club. A bit self serving in that type of charity.
The outright blatant lying in this comment is truly astounding.
Puhlease, the Berlin Wall was basically 99.9999% effective. That is the definition of "Walls do work".
And today the wall at the DMZ on the Korean peninsula is just as effective or better than the Berlin wall. By your statements you are showing your ignorance.
I don't think you have ever tried a private system. As a sufferer of a disease that requires the occasional MRI I can get one in about one weeks time. My fellow suffering friends in Britain who have the NHS system covering them have to wait 4 months for an MRI. There is proof that government run healthcare stinks.
The government wouldn't have to spend anything on lawyers. It's peculiar that they think hiring a lawyer who specializes in eminent domain would help matters when it's eminent domain that would cause such a case to be open-and-shut for the government. Regardless of how much CaH spends on their lawyers.
Eminent domain enables the government, under certain conditions (which the plans for this wall would happen to easily satisfy), to appropriate absolutely any person's private property that is within their borders, with compensation to be determined by the court, and usually based only on assessed value, rather than on what the person may personally happen to want for such property. And there's dick-all that a person can do about it except take the money and go live elsewhere.
If the government want this badly enough, they will get it... and it will not be anywhere nearly as expensive for them as the folks at CaH want it to be.... unless they are quite literally prepared to take the matter into full-on armed warfare where actual human lives will be lost.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
This is my favorite dopey right-wing trope: "It really screws the citizens to allow them to vote on their own senators."
By your logic, the best thing that could happen "for the citizens" is to have all members of congress and the president chosen by a panel of Breitbart editors.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I generally believe the accuser because that is the way the world is. My problem is what seems to be the definition and sexual assault and the over reaction to it.
I am sure that the woman felt unconformable for a few seconds. Who hasn't but when has feeling slightly uncomfortable been justification for ruining someones life.The appropriate response is to tell them to get lost.
I also believe we are making women out to be much weaker, and stupider than they really are. Oh I saw a penis, I emotionally scared for life. Or he invited me up to his hotel room for a meeting, I had no idea that he was going to make a move on me. Please which cave where these women brought up in.
I think getting paid $100,000 for a creepy old guy to to wank in front of me is more than adequate compensation.
Yes people should feel unharassed and safe in the workplace, but people also need to express there desire for one another, sometimes that desire will not be reciprocated, there is no need for someones entire life to be ruined over it. It is a dangerous and impossible thing to totally suppress ones sexuality. Eg catholic priest, or you can just stop being homosexual right, its a choice.
We have many greater problems in this world like people starving or being killed by war that we should be outraged about before we start getting outraged about some woman being kissed, or having her bottom squeezed.
Basically this is CAH's attempt to be obstructionist while passing the buck.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
You made this prediction of the future:
The wall is going to be built.
The questions was asked:
did you think Mexico was paying for it
and then you disingenuously said:
that has nothing to do with what I'm discussing
Quite literally, "the wall" is the first thing that you wrote, and the discussion is about money. You were talking about (a) the wall, (b) paying for the wall, and (c) your idiot President has made his thoughts clear already about this wall and where the money was going to come from to build it.
It is clearly and unambiguously directly referencing the conversation that you are currently involved in, and yet you claim it has "nothing to do" with the discussion. You're lying to yourself and to us. You appear embarrassed by comments made by a would-be president that you support, and now you are deliberately lying to attempt to avoid that embarrassment. Shame on you.
It's basically a bad knockoff of the old Steve Jackson game, Illuminati.
Not as funny though.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Do they set things on fire and block people from talking with violence, like the Left does these days? Hell, the Left doesn't even agree that the First Amendment should exist, they consider it over-the-top radical. The Second shouldn't exist, neither should the Fourth, the Fifth, as a matter of fact they consider the whole Constitution invalid because it was written by ciswhite hetmales.
Leftists: we're attacking people who say things we don't like. In order to stop them from deciding someday, to possibly, organize and become violent, by organizing, ourselves, and being violent, NOW. We want to stop you from maybe, possibly, someday, doing what we are currently, already doing.ï
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Just wait until you find out that most of the people in prison are Democrats.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
And how many of these "charities" are pushing a religious agenda? Giving to groups like Bibles for Missions may count to some as giving to charity, but not to me.
Since supporting your religion of choice is "charitable giving" in the US, nothing you wrote is surprising. Subtract "charitable giving" to religious causes and -- surprise! -- secular and non-secular giving rates are about the same. Now...where do the majority of religious people live, as a percent of a state's total population? In which states do the majority of non-religious people live, as a percentage of total population? Argument skewing with statistics. Fun for everyone!
2. There are more "big donors" (those who give over $1000) among Conservatives than Liberals
4. Religious people (usually more on the Conservative side of things) tend to overwhelmingly give to charities as compared to non-religious
Subtract out church donations, then look at the numbers.
(I should point out that I give large amounts of money to my church. I'd actually like to believe that religious people are more giving overall, but I don't think it's true.)
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Slashdot started up that way. Where were you?
Bruce Perens.
It's easy to say that when churches are considered "charities" and the republicans actively court every church goer they can find.
This distortion is clearly evident from your own article, but ignored in your post. 40% of the way down the page is the breakdown, "Religion and Charitable Giving". The church-goers group gives slightly more than the non church goers to secular causes, but they dwarf everything else on the chart with their donations to the church.
Don't get all holier than though about charity when 70% of your "charitable" contributions went to a church.
The problem is corruption and self interest. To paraphrase:
Those who want the power are the least suitable to wield it
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
Not like anyone's going to read this far down, but it feels like the comments on a story about 'Giving $1000 to lower income people during the holidays' can be summed up best by, 'God-damn liberals trying to make me look like an asshole by doing a nice thing!'
Just like Obama's 'Muslim Ban', which was a specific and limited response to a known and quantifiable threat from one specific country, as compared to Trump's 'Muslim Ban' which was a broad ban on multiple countries without any specific information as to any threats from any of them.
Surveys, studies and anecdotal evidence all dispute you. Perhaps you live in an area where conservatives are uncharacteristically tolerant.
Sadly, I have to conclude that this probably isn't the case, and you simply aren't being truthful. The anger I was discussing here is the outrage directed at the people who bought land in the path of Trump's non-existent wall with a view to impeding its construction. According to the courts, such actions qualify as "speech", and are protected under the First Amendment.
How many liberals do you know who bought one of the hundreds of thousands of t-shirts that say, "Kill them all, let God sort them out"? How many liberals do you know who fly planes into buildings? How many liberals do you know who left car bombs in front of government buildings in America, or murdered doctors who dared perform legal services for their patients "because religion"?
I'm sorry, my friend, but your statement is just plain false. Demonstrably false.
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When the Left you hate so much plant a bomb like right winger Tim McVeigh, or the ultra-conservative fundamentalist Muslims who took down the World Trade Center, maybe you can talk. Until then, you should probably just shut your yap before you look even more like an idiot.
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The main issue with the Israeli wall is the *massive* land grab that went with it - including the significant "no mans land" on the Palestinian side. The Palestinians lost a lot of arable land in that grab.
It's hard not to notice how angry conservatives get when people who don't agree with them exercise their First Amendment rights.
It's a tad better than arranging cry-ins because your candidate lost. I think this was the first US election where the universities held cry-ins about the result.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
LOL putting the Muslims on the same side as the American working class - nice one there. Yeah that's not going to work, pal.
Ever notice that Timothy McVeigh's bomb went off precisely two years to the day after the US federal government burned down the Branch Davdian compound in Waco, TX, killing all those poor people? A strange coincidence, one that is never remarked upon. And the bomb exploded in front of a US federal building. Huh. I wonder why that happened? Exactly the same day. Well, a coincidence, I suppose. Best not to point out inconvenient truths like that. Did you ever notice this before, or is this the first time you realized it when I just pointed it out?
None of which excuses today's violence by the Left that shuts down free speech. Just an exercise in whataboutism.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
>Does that 30% more to "charity" include tithes and other donations to their church? If so, then they are buying their places in heaven and donating to their local social club. A bit self serving in that type of charity.
Religious people donate both more to churches - no big surprise there - but also to secular charities at a higher rate than atheists.
Their goal was to prevent the wall being built, saving billions of dollars. If they can delay long enough Trump might run out of time or political capital to do it.
Est. $28B to build the wall one time expense. Costs $150B/yearly to deal with illegals in the US alone.
I'm sure you're lining up to get the wall taken down around Windsor Castle right?
Om, nomnomnom...
Apparently you have no family that either lived in east germany, or lived there and managed to escape to the west. It worked very well, they even managed to get around 98% of the tunnels used to smuggle western goods in and people out of the east. On top of that those walls and fences are working very well in eastern european countries and greece keeping 'migrants' from entering too. Also seems to have stopped all those palestinian suicide bombers from randomly walking in and blowing people up, or sniping at people along the main highways. And when was the last time you heard about a israeli family being butchered in their beds along with all the children after the wall was completed.
Walls don't work...sure...
Om, nomnomnom...
Religious people donate both more to religious charities and to secular charities.
https://www.hoover.org/researc...
Exactly the response I'd expect from a conservative coward. You should probably leave. Adults are present, and you don't belong.
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Conservatives are conservatives. The specific version of the delusion is irrelevant. There are moderate Muslims, but they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Centre. They were as appalled as everybody else at the act of the fundamentalist conservatives who pollute and pervert their faith.
Also irrelevant is your attempt to pretend any link between the Branch Davidians and McVeigh, if it even existed, somehow changes the fact that he was a self-confessed, proud member of the far right.
Nice try, though
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By that logic we shouldn't protest anything the government does because if it doesn't work out just wastes money.
Not even what I'm implying. Strawman arguments. This is why I never give you the benefit of the doubt. You purposely twist arguments in ways that are intellectually dishonest. I see it from a mile away.
Money is clearly the most important thing here, a few million in litigation tops out of the billions being pissed away on this thing.
The political will currently exists to get it done. It's not one of those things where forcing any litigation to stop it is going to work.
Or maybe we could go really nuts and claim it's a subsidy to Mexico. A 30ft high wall is a massive stimulus program for 31ft ladder manufacturers south of the border.
Look, another irrelevant statement to support your strawmanning!
Also, well done calling my post retarded. Really adds credibility to your argument-by-Trump "it will definitely happen, and it will be easy" narrative.
I dunno, maybe you should stop making retarded statements, stop strawmanning, stop adding useless rhetoric, and actually discuss what I'm writing and not what you think I might be writing to get into one of those "gotcha" moments.
The awesome thing about the wall is that it managed to stop suicide attacks before it was completed. It's still not quite complete, amusingly. It's almost as though Palestinians decided to stop the suicide bombings, and the Israelis just wanted more land....
Work like no one is watching. Dance like you've never been hurt. Make love like you don't need the money.
Pretend any link? What the fuck? His bombing was an act of revenge for the US federal government burning down the Branch Davidians. If the government didn't do that, there would never have been a bombing in the first place. The US government literally creates its own enemies. Did you seriously not know this before I just told you? Whaaa...? And you call other people uninformed and uneducated? You have a breathtakingly narrow view of the universes inhabited by others.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Actually yeah, that thing should be in public ownership and turned into a tourist attraction. Guillotines optional.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
It's easy to say that when churches are considered "charities" and the republicans actively court every church goer they can find.
This distortion is clearly evident from your own article, but ignored in your post. 40% of the way down the page is the breakdown, "Religion and Charitable Giving". The church-goers group gives slightly more than the non church goers to secular causes, but they dwarf everything else on the chart with their donations to the church.
Don't get all holier than though about charity when 70% of your "charitable" contributions went to a church.
So, by your own review, the Church-goers still 'win'. And to accept your 'point', you would have to imagine that Church contributions go only to fund church operations. They don't. Church raised funds also go to charity operations both directly (food banks, for example) and indirectly (providing a meeting space- and building heating- for local groups like boys and girl scouts, AA, etc.)
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
Your conclusion would make more sense if the suicide attacks that you mentioned were stopped before the wall was started, rather than before it was completed....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Nothing total and complete darkness wouldn't fix!
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Wait, you used the left wing website politifact to claim that Trump used hyperbole?
Pot, Kettle, Black.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
It's basically a bad knockoff of the old Steve Jackson game, Illuminati.
You have obviously never played either Card Against Humanity or the old Steve Jackson game (either one), Illuminati. Makes me wonder if you just didn't forget to log out and post as the usual shit posting AC.
"McVeigh was reprimanded by the military for purchasing a "White Power" T-shirt at a Ku Klux Klan protest"
Game. Set. Match. Now fuck off. I'm busy.
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Have you seen the members of the US Congress?!?! We basically pay them to twiddle their thumbs all day. Well ... that and take juicy donations from the private sector. Everything in politics is a money and time sink. Hypocrisy is the flavor of the day.
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The difference here is that in the end, they are SAVING the government money by not allowing them to build a big, dumb, ineffective wall. You say they are wasting the government's money by creating roadblocks. I say the government is wasting OUR money by trying to barrel through roadblocks. How about we stop building the wall and save everybody time and money?
Should the EFF stop their work because they are a "roadblock" to removing net neutrality? Maybe the ACLU and NAACP are also governmental roadblocks too? Get rid of them all and we have a well oiled machine that doesn't fail anybody!!!
I don't see where H1 is disagreeing that McVeigh committed the act because of the Branch Davidian attack. However, he notes quite accurately that McVeigh was a prime example of a far right conservative nutcase whose terrorist act can be laid at the door of the far right.
Your attempts to deflect are childish.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
McVeigh's bombing was revenge for the US government burning down the Branch Davidians. You think he just one day decided to blow up a federal building for kicks? On the anniversary of the mass murder? If the US government didn't burn all those people to death, McVeigh would be some nutbag with a tiki torch today. Get it?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
If the US government didn't burn all those people to death, McVeigh would be some nutbag with a tiki torch today.
Did you know the radical left did the same as McVeigh? Bombing not just once, but many many times over a period of years and decades? And we have completely forgotten about it today. Yup, it's true, this happened. And the people who did it are still alive and teaching kids today.
"People have completely forgotten that in 1972 we had over nineteen hundred domestic bombings in the United States."
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Donate a fish, and the poor will eat for a day. Giving them proper access to the pond however, seems to be a different thing.
"If the US government didn't burn all those people to death, McVeigh would be some nutbag with a tiki torch today."
Let me guess...you know this because he was your good buddy and chose you to confide in before they stuck the needle in him? LOL
All I ever said is that he is a right wing terrorist. You're trying to argue what specific variety of right wing terrorist he is. The fact remains, though. He was a child-murdering, ultra-conservative right wing terrorist.
I'm sure such creatures are thankful for your continued support, and your constant attempts to excuse their conduct. You make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside when they're planning their next mass murder of women and children. Have they thanked you personally yet, or are you still waiting for a card?
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There's a generation of people born in Israel, it is their country now, deal with it.
Avantgarde Hebrew science fiction
Do you really think it is sensible for two people born somewhere to just leave everything away in the name of justice? When has that ever happened without a fight? (This is true for palestinians as well as for us since both sides stole lands at some point)
Avantgarde Hebrew science fiction
I think that the smart thing for Israel to do was to treat it's christian/muslim arab citizens as equals from the start, that would eventually make them hate the palestinians. Did you know that in the beginning of Israel there was a fear that arab jews (a.k.a. mizrahis) would join the other arabs against Israel? This was prevented by making them feel a part of the Israeli state and using propaganda to make everyone hate the Palestinians.
The best bets for Israel in general are imho two:
1) Keep holding to the occupation and hope that the world will become more right wings and allow us to be more of a jerks.
2) Become a theocracy and somehow merge with the muslims into two theocracies with western culture as a common enemy.
Note that these are the best options for Israel, not the best options for it's citizens. Frankly, unless you are religious, I think your best option in Israel, whether muslim or jewish, is to leave.
Avantgarde Hebrew science fiction
That is because political correctness IS left wing.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Religious people donate both more to religious charities and to secular charities.
https://www.hoover.org/researc...
Interesting. Thanks. I've seen several studies that say the opposite, so clearly I need to dig deeper into the question to identify the differences in methodology. Unfortunately, the article you link is very light on methodological detail and it's not clear if the author has even published that information.
One guess, though, is that I think the other studies measured non-religious giving in dollars, while the author appears to have measured the probability of giving something. So, religious people who donate thousands to their church and a few dollars to the local homeless shelter vs non-religious people who donate hundreds to the homeless shelter and nothing to the church would fit.
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I couldn't care less what your opinion of me happens to be.
However, what you have demonstrated is that dishonesty comes naturally to you. This is not surprising, since you are one of the late-comer conservatives who are attempting to take over this site. Of course the idea that somebody might comment incognito, then respond to their own anonymous remark, would come easily to you. It's something you would do, because you are fundamentally dishonest and unethical.
People like me, who have been participating in discussions on this site for years, have no need to engage in such foolishness. Neither do we have any tolerance for bottom-feeding scum to whom such behaviour is even conceivable, much less justifiable.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Oh...you have a really, really early number you just don't use anymore.
Yeah, right.
As mentioned elsewhere, science and technology are deemed "political" by the conservatives attempting to take over this place. Science and technology are their enemies.
And to reiterate: it takes a special kind of bottom-feeding scum to think about intentionally deceiving people here in some kind of perverted effort to score political points...the kind of bottom-feeding scum who would claim they have been a member here for years and years, but just don't use the number that would prove it. Maybe if you somehow manage to trick your daddy out of his password you can actually get access to it.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
You confuse vehemence with a rational decision to publicly correct a lying cheat, and let him know he's fooling nobody. However, I have no more time to spend on an Anonymous Coward. It appears that my friends and I need to celebrate the victory of Doug Jones in Alabama.
Kissy-kiss, bottom-feeder. Have a lovely evening.
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Which is the purpose of the wall anyway - killing poor brown people.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Bullcrap. God cannot be bought, and heaven is not for sale. The Bible does not link money to admission or spiritual power. In fact, attempts to do so fall under the sin of Simony.
Might there be a some corrupt people thinking that way? Sure. But don't paint everyone with such a broad brush of corruptible, self-serving behavior. The Church has many true believers with good hearts and cheerful, selfless givers.