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Google News Will Purge Sites Masking Their Country of Origin (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Bloomberg: Google moved to strip from its news search results publications that mask their country of origin or intentionally mislead readers, a further step to curb the spread of fake news that has plagued internet companies this year. To appear in Google News results, websites must meet broad criteria set out by the company, including accurately representing their owners or primary purposes. In an update to its guidelines released Friday, the search giant added language stipulating that publications not "engage in coordinated activity to mislead users."

Additionally the new rules read: "This includes, but isn't limited to, sites that misrepresent or conceal their country of origin or are directed at users in another country under false premises." A popular tactic for misinformation campaigns is to pose as a credible U.S. news outlet. Russian Internet Research Agency, a Kremlin-backed organization, used that technique to reach an audience of nearly 500,000 people, spread primarily through Twitter accounts, Bloomberg reported earlier.

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  1. Just include in the byline by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

    This is not rocket science.

    1. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nature produces homosexual animals all the time. Maybe we should demand nature to stop making homosexual animals! Like it or not, it's a trait that you're born with; you cannot control who (or what) you are attracted to.

      Should we rally against people who are unable to have children or have voluntarily sterilized themselves, too? Evolution already favors those who are able to pass down their genes. Those who don't pass their genes on are of no threat to breeders. You are not entitled to resources just because you have babies. Earn it like everyone else does. I'm surprised anyone would want to fuck a person with such a limited, fundamentalist view of the world.

    2. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I love that leftists accuse conservatives of being nationalists (they often use the terms nationalist, white nationalist, and nazi interchangably so much that their labels have lost a good deal of meaning) out of one side of their mouths while crying about Russia (a nationalist stance) out of the other. I don't mind the extra information, but let's not forget this is because Google lost a lot of money on Clinton.

    3. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to list any examples of homosexual animals in nature? I'm aware of some that have no preference and so would be considered bisexual. But I cannot think of any strictly homosexual animals unless you include asexual animals like the komodo dragon.

    4. Re: Just include in the byline by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 0

      You know it's a slow night when I'm responding to an OT AC, but just anecdotally speaking most of the gay people I know have kids.

    5. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Harry the otter, and Fred the fret are known to be homosexuals. The list is much longer, but if youâ(TM)re interested I could name some more.

    6. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know it's a slow night when I'm responding to an OT AC, but just anecdotally speaking most of the gay people I know have kids.

      Yes, they really like children.

    7. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha say do svidanya to all Russian media then. No more Russian car crash videos or hot devushkas on youtube for you!
      Because that is what it boils down to. They don't want your preciously feeble mind exposed to anything that might cast doubt on the most benevolent and caring benefactors of mankind such as the US government. A government that can not do wrong, one that is morally forever pure and pristine, and is the very will of the Deity manifest in the lives of men through it as proxy. How can anyone resist bending down to get brutally sodomized by that? McDonald's for Breakfast, Starbucks lunch, Dinner at Denny's, cheap and good enough, and never mind what's on your phone, everywhere else you go you also only hear Google approved news.

      Fsck that.

    8. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is a "fret" and why are you talking about animals by giving them child book names?
      Yet another typical infantile liberal post.

    9. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Fuck Google. Nationalism, or love of one's country, is a great thing.

      Globalism, or dragging us all down to third world standards of living, not so much.

    10. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

    11. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are missing the distinction between nationality and state governments. It isn't helped by people being sloppy with terminology.

    12. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the lecture. Homosexsualism like any other sexuality is a social construct.

    13. Re: Just include in the byline by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      not new though.
      Google started dropping user generated content from all its services around the time google+ flopped.
      even a search for âoebeforeitsnews.comâ often returns links to CNN ffs. (although not at the moment it seems).

      then they crippled search suggestions by removing the most searched for words (like âstar wars torrentâ)

    14. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got that mixed up. There is no such thing as "bisexual". There is heterosexual and homosexual, that's it.

      "Bisexual" are just the labels that highly insecure losers who will sleep with anything give to themselves. They aren't attracted to both sexes, they are just so desperate for any human contact that they will take anything that they can get.

    15. Re: Just include in the byline by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The idea of clinging to your state government is a function of nationalism. This is what drove Brexit. To some degree, this also drives the idea of Federalism. We want to be distinct enough to control our own destiny and not be subject to the whims of idiots we don't agree with.

      You will whine about Russian meddling and then happily meddle in someone else's election in another state (like Alabama).

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    16. Re: Just include in the byline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My friends who are gay that are parents are very good parents. Some came out later in life, but have always been very good parents. The ones who had to adopt kids had to go through hoops that straight couples never had to. Put it this way, they are highly vetted, where as many straight couples are not.

  2. That's not enough... by bogaboga · · Score: 1, Troll

    "This includes, but isn't limited to, sites that misrepresent or conceal their country of origin or are directed at users in another country under false premises." A popular tactic for misinformation campaigns is to pose as a credible U.S. news outlet.

    How about 'home grown" internet sites that actually manufacture fake news? One such site was mentioned by our president recently.

    Now, to be fair, listen to this clip at the 1:38 mark.

    Then you wonder why the ordinary folk fee the way they do, about our media.

    1. Re:That's not enough... by quonset · · Score: 0, Troll

      How about 'home grown" internet sites that actually manufacture fake news?

      That would mean the Fox tabloid and the white supremacist web site Breitbart wouldn't get listings. Won't someone think of the children!

    2. Re:That's not enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about 'home grown" internet sites that actually manufacture fake news?

      That would mean the Fox tabloid and the white supremacist web site Breitbart wouldn't get listings. Won't someone think of the children!

      Right now we as a country don't particularly value investigative reporting, hence news is becoming more about splash than substance. My best guess for a solution is something like this:

      1. Taxes pay for local news services in some fashion.

      2. Every local news service is assigned at random to fact check and investigate the stories other services create. Give monetary bonuses for pointing out major problems and such.

      3. Do the same thing at different levels.

      In short we need to invest in accurate reporting. It would certainly be a hell of a lot better investment than this tax cut insanity. Each news service should be independent, other than fact checking each other. There should be some checks and balances in place so bad reporters or managers can be fired. In fact you would need to pay for enough redundancy that it is very difficult for lies to flourish.

      One of the first things they could do is open divisions to fact check existing news services and elected officials. Publish everything. Hell source control everything.

      Automation and such may eliminate many jobs but this is one we _have_ to get right for if we fail then there is not much hope for society here as a whole. Garbage in. Garbage out. If things like the presidents constant lying/projecting become even more common then I don't know if we can ever recover from that.

    3. Re:That's not enough... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It's an interesting idea. May I remind you that the Egyptian goddess Maat, normally called the goddess of truth, was actually the goddess of the officially accepted belief. And would you consider the meaning of the Russian word "Pravda", which is, I believe, translated as "the official truth".

      I'm not real thrilled with corporate "truths", but they may be superior to political ones.

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    4. Re:That's not enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White supremacist web site? What the fuck are you smoking? Look, you may not like the site, but to mislabel it in your attempt to convince others to not like it as well is just dishonest and, well, "fake news".

    5. Re: That's not enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN wouldn't make it.

    6. Re:That's not enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Taxes pay for local news services in some fashion.

      I take it you work for the Ministry of Truth and are looking for more funding and expanding control.

    7. Re:That's not enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The important thing is you're accepting, and even justifying, lies.

    8. Re: That's not enough... by Bartles · · Score: 1

      How about, let's not support Google's censorship of the internet.

    9. Re:That's not enough... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Who do you trust to determine that something is a lie?
      It's quite reasonable for someone handing you a link to say "by the way, *I* wouldn't trust that" (or "*I* would"). That lets you decide how much you trust their evaluation. To just hide the data, however, marks *you* as untrustworthy even if the data *was* untrustworthy.

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    10. Re:That's not enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who do you trust to determine that something is a lie?
      It's quite reasonable for someone handing you a link to say "by the way, *I* wouldn't trust that" (or "*I* would"). That lets you decide how much you trust their evaluation. To just hide the data, however, marks *you* as untrustworthy even if the data *was* untrustworthy.

      I believe the main point was that there would be many independent sources of news that would be each checking each other randomly. In short you are not trusting any one person, but rather the collective.

    11. Re:That's not enough... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That's nice when you can manage it, but often there is only one original source for certain information. In that case, multiple sources pointing to the same original source don't help. And multiple sources editorializing about it, but not pointing to it are all untrustworthy.

      If you're a search engine, just give me the link, and if you want to tell me you don't trust it at the same time, that's fine. If I trust you, maybe I'll consider your opinion.

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  3. Aaand they're off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another arms race begins.

  4. ask me if I care about Google News . by swell · · Score: 1

    Let them do what they want- I won't be using Google News as long as they waste my screen space and my time. Why do they need three columns, two of which are mostly empty, for their presentation? Why do they need, in addition to the three columns, a header and a footer? Why do I only get 4 headlines per page-down, on a page 4 feet long?

    Yes Slashdot and many other sites are also guilty. But you might expect Google to be more thoughtful; to offer some design leadership.

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    1. Re:ask me if I care about Google News . by Mr307 · · Score: 1

      So much wasted space on this newest version of the google news site, the previous version was tolerable but this new version is stupid. I still look at it every so often to see if they pulled their head out of their ass but no not yet.

      The whitespace 'craze' is very overdone now, people didn't seem to catch the part where its a good technique to promote something special and have it stick out but to use it everywhere is dumb.

    2. Re: ask me if I care about Google News . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's because they're anxious to cram their bullshit down your throat in the hopes that if they saturate you with their crap, over the entire population they can measure some sort of result in their favor. Perhaps they think they can wear your subconscious down.

    3. Re:ask me if I care about Google News . by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      I had finally enough of google news and went to Bing news. Even though I hate Microsoft... this Google arrogance is really getting to me. Bing news format is a lot better, it presents a lot more articles, and it has a politics section, which is about the only thing I read these days.

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  5. Google translate by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I entered the OP text into "Google Translate", here's what I got:

    We're making a bunch of private rules which are ill-defined, fuzzy, and overly broad. We're going to couple these with selective enforcement backed by AI algorithms using a high false-positive rate, and use it to remove sites without warning or identifying what specific sections are in violation or what rules are violated.

    In that way, Google will strip out all fake news, ensuring that only true and correct news remains.

    1. Re:Google translate by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What is your alternative solution, or are you suggesting that they do nothing?

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    2. Re:Google translate by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not? Doing nothing is often the best solution, particularly if every proposed solution is a net negative.

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    3. Re:Google translate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's with the hate for this measure?

      Where I come from, virtually every product you can buy is required, by law, to be labelled with its country of origin. If you buy French cheese or German beer or Spanish olives, you can be confident that they really were produced in those countries.

      There's no restriction to freedom of speech involved here. If you want to produce a news page about events in, say, Egypt from the USA, you can do that. Or if you want to comment on US news from Moldavia, there's nothing to stop you. You just have to be up-front about where you're doing it from.

      What is wrong with requiring that pages not be actively mislabelled?

    4. Re:Google translate by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Doing nothing heavily favours the far right and general political instability, because that's the angle most of the fake news is pushing.

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    5. Re:Google translate by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      The far right is a disease. Diseases infect opportunistically. In a healthy democracy, the press is the immune system to such a disease. The flaws in our heavily consolidated media, with very strong pro-corporate values, have failed to function because they've prioritized access to politicians over their duty to hold politicians responsible. Congress has unbelievably low approval ratings, because they are accurately perceived as bought-off scumbags. And the media rarely bothers to press politicians to any real extent, even with some of the most egregious of cases.

      The reason that we are susceptible to fake news is because the mass of the fourth estate is having pleasant conversations with criminals, instead of doing their job and holding those criminals accountable. The solution isn't censorship, it's giving people a reason to have some faith in the 'legitimate' media. And no, it's not going to be fixed overnight, not with all the damage we've done.

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    6. Re: Google translate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not racist, it will allow the rest of the world to more easily avoid the sickening displays of moralistic hypocrisy and military worship which so much of the US media produces.

    7. Re: Google translate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There it is - "baaaw we have to do something because we're losing!"

      This has nothing to do with actual truth.

    8. Re: Google translate by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Sure it is. You've never heard the globalist organizations whine about how it's "discrimination" to put country of origin labels on food?

      As far as culture goes: Your hysterical ranting won't alter the fact that the US dominates global culture.

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    9. Re:Google translate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Things I don't like are a disease and should be purged' Summed up your statement for you.

    10. Re:Google translate by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      It's not about whether or not we should stop/fight the far-right. AmiMoJo already established that as something necessary. My point was that, if you think it's necessary to stop them, you should use methods that will actually work.

      Also, my solution is the very opposite of purging. I'm saying the way to stop alt-right false propaganda is with ACTUAL GODDAMN JOURNALISM. If CNN hadn't been complete horseshit for over a decade, we wouldn't be in this mess.

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  6. More of the same by Templer421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They already exclude anything to the right of Trotsky.

  7. A new age of internet by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's even worse than that.

    There are actual published papers, such as this one, that can't tell the difference between fake and real.

    The cited paper specifically calls out the infamous spirit cooking article from InfoWars.

    The problem is, although that article sparked a torrent of fake claims, everything actually presented in that article was verified. None of the "fakeness" came from the article, only by people repeating the information and adding hyperbole. John Podesta did get an invite, it was a spirit cooking invite, and Abramovic did in fact pose with a bloody goat's head. Nothing to do with Clinton, and Podesta declined the invite.

    That article was roundly derided on the internet because it went against the narrative. It's now enshrined as a classic piece of fake news simply because the informations presented were politically motivated and "inconvenient".

    It almost seems like we're entering a new age of internet news, where what is considered "fake" is judged by the consensus of likes and dislikes.

    1. Re:A new age of internet by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That's not that new an age. I grew up being assured of many things that were based on "fake news"...and that was over 50 years ago.

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    2. Re: A new age of internet by c6gunner · · Score: 1, Redundant

      I suspect you have a very funny definition of the word "verified".

    3. Re:A new age of internet by stephanruby · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      None of the "fakeness" came from the article, only by people repeating the information and adding hyperbole.

      Or it could be the other way around, the article isn't fake because it's actually repeating accurately the fake hyperboles and the tenuous associations made by others.

      For instance, take a look at this paragraph:

      Some are even linking the spirit cooking revelation to claims that the Podesta emails contain “code for child sex trafficking” that is hidden behind mentions of types of food.

      Is it false? Probably not. No doubt, some anonymous wacko on some right-wing bulletin board does believe this.

      Or what about this?

      Reports that FBI agents see Hillary Clinton as “the antichrist personified” now make a lot more sense.

      It even links to another article here: https://www.theguardian.com/us...

      But when you dig into that second article, the sources are:

      Current and former FBI officials, none of whom were willing or cleared to speak on the record...

      Which isn't to say that anonymous sources can't be used sometimes. Anonymous sources certainly do have a place.

      But usually, anonymous sources are used to confirm a statement of fact, not a personal opinion. Also, anonymous sources limit themselves to few select senior officials, or to people very close to those senior officials. After all, the FBI only has ~35,000 current employees (and who knows how many former employees). The way that quote is written, it could have been taken from any one of those former and current FBI people.

      And after a certain point, you have to admit that the article is just repeating gossip. And gossip is fine on page six of Gossip Girl, and it is fine on those papers you find at the supermarket checkout counter, but those papers aren't exactly delivering the news.

      And you don't have to take my word for it. Alex Jones himself, the official face for Infowars, admitted in his divorce proceedings that he was just playing a character on TV and that he didn't actually believe many of the things he was saying on InfoWars.

  8. not engage in coordinated activity to mislead.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so they're gonna block foxnews, infowars and breitbart? sweet. so i can use google news again. that's great!

  9. And international news organizations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Al Jazeera has an American office. Does that make their country of origin USA or Pakistan?

    China owns a good chunk of some of the US media companies now and others kowtow their message to Chinese interests or they'll be cut out of the China market. Do "American" media companies then get automatic verified even though they're majorly backed by Chinese interests? Y'know... like GOOGLE?!

    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/12/15/this-sputnik-moment/
    "The experience of New Zealand and Australia suggests that what begins with the cultural and social progresses to the political. In November, an Australian commercial publisher postponed its commitment to publish a book by a highly respected professor, Clive Hamilton, detailing China’s efforts to shape and censor public expression in Australia. The clumsy cave-in to China’s sensitivities, reflecting rising Chinese pressure on Australian publishers and media companies, outraged the Australian public and appeared to confirm the book’s title: Silent Invasion: How China is Turning Australia Into a Puppet State.

    More recently, as reported in the Telegraph this week, “An Australian MP was forced to quit over revelations he adopted pro-China positions after accepting donations from a wealthy Chinese property developer with links to China’s Communist Party.” As accounts have piled up of Chinese government-linked donations to Australia’s two major parties, Australia’s government has proposed legislation that would ban foreign donations to political parties and groups that lobby the government and institute a public register for foreign lobbyists. The political scandal—coming amid years of accelerating Chinese influence activities—may represent a “Sputnik moment” for Australia."

    Who watches the watchers?

    1. Re:And international news organizations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      al jazeera is qatari not pakistani

    2. Re:And international news organizations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mother is Pakistani.

    3. Re: And international news organizations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different country, same terrorism.

    4. Re:And international news organizations? by fubarrr · · Score: 1

      China owns Pakistan 3 times over

    5. Re:And international news organizations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember playing Qaboom on my Qatari 2600.

    6. Re: And international news organizations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct. Thank you for pointing that out.

  10. pick and mix by edittard · · Score: 1

    Stupid answer: in Soviet Russia, country of origin masks YOU!

    Slightly less stupid answer: it won't work. They'll find some flaw, bodge, frig or loophole.

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      In Soviet Russia, flaw loopholes you!

  11. I hope they coordinate with other sites. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    This is a very reasonable form of defense (this is information warfare after all) but I hope they coordinate with other sites too. Sure they know a bunch of Twitter accounts point to false/misleading news but will they then automatically alert Twitter so that they can investigate and possibly take down rings of accounts created to mislead or halt the links made by fooled bystanders?

    I know this is a dangerous technology because it can be misused but the same could be said about the internet but we still have it. Information warfare is real and we've already been lambasted. It's time to defend ourselves.

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    1. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a very reasonable form of defense

      Defense against what? Hackers that leak emails proving that the mainstream media is in bed with the DNC? Controversial trolls that force people to question the political dogmas? I think we need more of those, not less.

      In any event, Google can apply their biased filters as much as they want to promote their social agenda, all it will achieve is that people will realize that they are as dishonest and misleading as CNN. They're driving themselves into irrelevance.

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    2. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Holy shit. You did not get modded into oblivion. Slashdot is.......... back?

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    3. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by lucasnate1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I never heard anyone telling people to question dogma, only to switch from one dogma to the other.

    4. Re: I hope they coordinate with other sites. by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Defense against what?

      Liars and frauds. If you're pretending to be a large American company when you're a single guy in a basement in Minsk, we've already established that you're a liar. No need to give you any free publicity.

    5. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a very reasonable form of defense

      Defense against what? Hackers that leak emails proving that the mainstream media is in bed with the DNC? Controversial trolls that force people to question the political dogmas?

      No, defense against propaganda that is intended to intensify the divisions within out nation. What they do does not make people question their politics but rather harden people in their viewpoints. I'm all for exposing corruption but their goal is simply to cause civil unrest and promote political extremism to fuel that agenda.

      I very much want to what you are claiming they do but the fact is that they are making people more extreme in their viewpoints and normalizing that extremism.

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    6. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Let's be clear, you are talking about random blogs and fake news that you feel should be more prominent because you believe them for some reason.

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    7. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Let's be clear. The same rationale from the same company has already been extensively to undermine independent left media. It stands to reason that the same would probably happen here. Blame it on the weakness of algorithms or blame it on the influence of large media corporations, but that's what happened before, and that's what will likely happen again.

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    8. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Do you have examples of this?

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    9. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by lucm · · Score: 1

      No, defense against propaganda that is intended to intensify the divisions within out nation. What they do does not make people question their politics but rather harden people in their viewpoints

      Take a chill pill, then look at what you're saying. It is absurd. In terms of paranoia and conspiracy theory, it's getting closer and closer to the level of David Icke and his lizard overlords.

      You are merely repeating a narrative that has been cooked up to keep you distracted from the DNC leaked emails and that somehow turned into a shitstorm because clickbaiting has replaced journalism. It's not a conspiracy, it's a perfect storm of political meddling, opportunism, greed and short-term thinking. It's Wag the Dog happening for real.

      Stop listening to that bullshit and stop repeating it. Stop clicking on those clickbait links. Stop paying attention to fake news. Walk away from the mass hysteria. Enjoy the holidays with your family and let's all start the new year with just a small dose of common sense. News lately are like a bad tv show; if you stop watching for a while, your emotional brain goes through withdrawal, and quickly you see things clearly, you realize how thin the plot was.

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    10. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Everything in TYT Network, David Pakman, Humanist Report. They all have videos discussing it, and if you dig through them, you'll get mentions of a fair number of others.

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    11. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      You are merely repeating a narrative that has been cooked up to keep you distracted from the DNC leaked emails

      So they cooked up Russian interference that was being investigated before the election? Let me guess, the "deep state" is now protecting the DNC? No conspiracy though, right?

      Stop listening to that bullshit and stop repeating it.

      Since when did factual information count as "bullshit"? I think you should start examining the facts before discounting the conclusions.

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    12. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I had a look but couldn't see any evidence in those cases, even an serious allegations. In fact it seems like all of them benefitted greatly from exposure through Google services like YouTube.

      Do you mean the recent YouTube monetisation issues?

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    13. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a look but couldn't see any evidence in those cases

      And yet you're so certain Google was hitting left leaning accounts, on behest of 4chan... without providing any evidence of either claim.

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Classic typical doublestandards AmiMojo

    14. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The Humanist Report isn't a news source, though; it is a podcast. "TYT" (The Young Turks) is a youtube (google) channel that is also on some cable networks. David Pakman is a TV and internet video commentator.

      None of that is crap that would be on Google News. The Google News format is that of an aggregator of internet newspapers. They then also link videos related to the story. The videos linked are generally news videos, not commentary.

      I understand, you only watch and listen, you don't read. But still, you should recognize that Google News just isn't the type of thing you want, and you don't know the details of what it is. Because it isn't the internet version of AM radio so you didn't pay attention.

    15. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Youtube monetization issues. Taking away the majority of the money they receive would be undermining them. They sold that bullshit with the exact same pitch as this, so I expect similar results.

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    16. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I didn't say "news source," I said "independent left media." All of those are independent left media. I didn't say that those particular people would be hit by this, but that the niche of "left-wing media that doesn't constantly suck off corporations" would probably be collateral damage under this change, just like they were under the adpocalypse.

      No, we don't have an example of how censorship would play out here, because they haven't done this kind of censorship yet. But because I'm not naive, I realize that censorship is almost never a net positive, and always creeps outside of the specific niche that was nominally the target.

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    17. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, things that are not news are not part of news aggregation will not be "collateral damage" under these changes. Is that actually hard? Are you sure that you're not naive? I mean, imagine how embarrassingly credulous you would have to be for it to be all that, with no contribution from naivete! You're not doing yourself any favors with that argument.

    18. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I'm naive for thinking that a censorship move is going to favor big players over little ones, like it has in the entire history of censorship.

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    19. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you can't tell what censorship is, then it should be no surprise at all that some of things you falsely regard as "censorship" do not affect people in the ways that real censorship is believed to. Duh.

      For example, if a person thought that removing wrong answers from math tables was censorship, and they started talking about the effects of removing those wrong answers, they might be very surprised to learn that nobody else can perceive anything but positive results from the change! Even though all the same people agree that censorship includes negative affects.

      It isn't really that surprising. For readers, anyways; you're aliterate though, so your disability prevents you from resolving the conflict.

    20. Re:I hope they coordinate with other sites. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      If you had a real argument, you wouldn't need to be such a condescending cunt. You have the same kind of undeserved hubris that managed to lose a general election to a moron with no frontal lobe inhibition. You could have reasonably accuse me of being overly paranoid, but then it would point out the idiocy of your previous naivety claims, since I have the cynicism high ground, by far.

      So now, you've got to claim that I don't read, with the only evidence being that I brought up Youtube users over Youtube's soft censorship to explain how this would likely play out regarding news sources under Google News's hard censorship (albeit it currently limited in scope).

      And you have the balls to claim that what is obviously a "kill the Russian fake news" effort is not censorship. You can argue that it's justified censorship, but then you have to have an uphill, adult conversation about how such a policy will not creep or be abused.

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  12. Otlychnaya novosti! ;)) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Preved medved, rebyatki. Nakonets-to v google news budet menishe derima iz prokremlevskih smi.
    Spasibo, Gugl!

    1. Re: Otlychnaya novosti! ;)) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ãzà verÃur Ãtrýmt. JÃrÃin verÃur aà vera hreinsuÃ. allir Ãvinir verÃa eytt.

    2. Re: Otlychnaya novosti! ;)) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  13. "intentionally misleading readers" by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

    Presumably Google AI is now able to read the minds of people posting articles to know their intention they harbor in their hearts with over 98% accuracy. Sometimes even when even the said people are completely unaware of it!

  14. Translation by slshdtisctrldbysjws · · Score: 1

    Google will stretch forth its will to censor and arbitrate discourse supported by brainless illiberal leftists

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    1. Re:Translation by lucm · · Score: 0

      Red Scare is the new Racism.

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    2. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off ivan

    3. Re:Translation by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, if people don't like it, they'll switch to some other search engine. Like Bing.

      If you believe in the free market, this isn't something you should complain about, and if you believe in monopolies this isn't something you should complain about. It's only reasonable to complain if you believe that the government should micromanage the economy.

      Oddly enough, despite the preceding paragraph it does bother me. I *want* them to post "informational decals" on the web page searches, like "we judge this site to be fake news", "we judge this site to be clickbait", etc., but not to delist them.

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    4. Re:Translation by slshdtisctrldbysjws · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between believing in the free market as a concept and believing that the western economy is a free market. It is not. It's a corporate welfare state. The government is identical with publicly traded companies and it does micromanage the economy. What is the Federal Reserve Bank?
      We have been invaded and the vast majority of people who have stood up against the invaders since the Civil War (English or American, either is applicable) have been demonized and everyone who falls for the narratives has their rational mind and their spirituality ripped out of their being.

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    5. Re:Translation by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It is only reasonable to disagree if you believe something absurd, so agree with me I demand it

      No, actually, that is totally whack and you're full of shit. What news is on which aggregator has nothing to do with the gubermint, and nothing to do with "managing the economy."

      No surprise that you then want people to re-post propaganda they know is propaganda. There is nothing odd about it at all, just look at the rest of your statement. But they're not going to do that for you; that would be stupid. For them. And not because of complicated things like lizard people controlling the gubermint. Because it is just plain stupid to post false data after you know it is false. Why would they? You'll never say your real reasons, because you'd have to pull your neckbeard up out of your shirt to explain it.

  15. faux news is still safe... by aepervius · · Score: 0

    They are not trying to mask their country of origin, so they can still spread falsehood and mislead people to their content.

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    1. Re: faux news is still safe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clinton lost to quite a lot of inconvenient truths. Labelling country of origin is not going to protect your investment in corrupt politicians.

  16. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    You should get the Blinkers browser extension. You tell it whether you're a Republican or Democrat and it filters out any sites that might cause you unpleasant cognitive dissonance and only shows you stuff you'll agree with.

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  17. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    so they're gonna block foxnews, infowars and breitbart? sweet. so i can use google news again. that's great!

    Google. Helping you build your liberal echo chamber since 1998, one biased filter at a time.

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  18. Ah, another failed attempt at being Vulcan by fyngyrz · · Score: 0

    Procreation is essential to the survival of any species, yet homosexuality precludes those individuals from doing so.

    No, it doesn't. Homosexuality indicates that they enjoy sexual activity with the same sex. It doesn't mean they can't procreate, or that they won't. Nor does it mean that the homosexual cannot, or will not, adopt. If they are prevented from adopting, that's a social issue — not a sexual one.

    Turn in your Vulcan card as you leave the building, thanks for playing. There's a helpful novitiate at the door who will help you pull T'Pau's boot from your nethers.

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    1. Re:Ah, another failed attempt at being Vulcan by HiThere · · Score: 0

      Actually, I believe that homosexual males are less likely to procreate themselves, but are more likely to have older brothers who are not homosexual. I could have read the statistics slightly wrong, as I wasn't that interested. It's from the current issue of New Scientist, but they were referring to a study somebody (I don't remember who) did. So if you're interested follow it up there.

      OTOH, there's a lot of cultural influence. During the classical period most male citizens of Sparta were homosexuals, and *did* reproduce...if they didn't die fighting.

      FWIW, it seems as if there are lots of genes that have a slight influence on sexual nature in various indirect ways, and some combinations tend to produce homosexual males...but there's also evidence that the mother's immune system has an effect. Possibly it's a bug in the program, but it exists across multiple mammalian species, so it's either not one that's strongly selected against, or the heterogeneous phenotypes have a large advantage. (Hey, it worked for sickle cell anemia...that's not the only place it could happen.)

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  19. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Bamfarooni · · Score: 0

    You guys bitch when Google doesn't do anything about the fake news and political hacking, and then bitch more about when they do. I'm beginning to think you just like bitching about things.

  20. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Serbian scammers sculpting scandalous scoups sucks!

  21. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by lucm · · Score: 2, Informative

    You guys bitch when Google doesn't do anything about the fake news and political hacking

    This has never happened. You're the one posting fake news.

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  22. So they have to exclude all American media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they intend to stick to their own words.

  23. Fake news isn't the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fake news isn't the problem, it's the idiots in this country who believe it.

    We should not be astonished that there is a full court press against education, science, and independent thinking in this country.

  24. Better idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Strip from search results all of the companies that use domain hiding services, like Domain By Proxy. Force them to post their real contact information which gets you to a live human.

    That will stop plenty of scammers, and unscrupulous companies, much better than what they currently propose.

  25. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has never happened. You're the one posting fake news.

    da Komrade. You are the one who has right. All the other ones are Sovietski fake sources.

  26. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one has EVER bitched about "fake news" other than people who desperately need a scapegoat for Trump's victory, and these people's desperation is opening a massive gaping hole for the tech giants who control an ever-increasing amount of all human communication to start Ministry-of-Truthing the internet.

    There's been bullshit floating around the internet for 30+ years and we've never needed big brother to help us sort through it before now.

  27. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey buddy, do you watch porn like that - only stuff you hate, and find unpleasing?

    What people do is read opinion pieces about analysis of events, now some are very biased and and blind agendas, some might expose others bias, or their coverups.

    Like wise, do you personally go out and read hours of anti-semitic stuff, just because its unpleasant cognitive dissonance and it doesnt agree with your truths? No you dont.

    Everyone will read stuff they mostly agree with, or to find out who doesnt agree with you.

  28. I'll bet you they don't apply this to US sites! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When US government-sponsored and corporate-sponsored/owned media target the population in countries where the US and its allies have certain political interests, you can bet they don't tout their US backing. Hell, even CNN doesn't make it clear that "we are from the US" in the international/non-English versions of their channel and website. Not to mention the fact that Facebook, Twitter, and Google News themselves originate in the US, and since they filter their content - anything they present is effectively US-origin material.

    So, I'm pretty sure the only thing that's going to happen basically is that Google censors RT (http://www.rt.com) and independent progressive anti-establishment news sites (like The Intercept, WikiLeaks, AlterNet, World Socialist Website News, Counterpunch and so on) - most of which have already suffered demotion / erasure from search results.

  29. In the height of irony . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . Slashdot has censored the "censorship" tag on this story.

  30. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who needs a scapegoat? The responsibility for Trump's election is obvious. A faulty electoral system and an entrenched partisan division that would lead to a pair of space aliens being the leading contenders if they had the proper letter across from their names.

    There's no desperation, except by those who are frenetically in denial that their standard-bearer is a corrupt, lying, fraudulent, pompous, charade of a man, and the fact is, we have needed help to sort through the lies, that's why dozens of websites exist for the express purpose of identifying them.

    I mean, you could just assume if their lips are moving, that a politician is lying, but then we'd run out of rope.

  31. So, all US local news sites then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, over and over again I'll follow a link to some local news site, and not once do they say on the story page what city their site or the story is in. You have to dig around on their site for some kind of address, and even sometimes that fails and you have to look them up on google or wikipedia. Those news sites have no clue how to manage presence in an international medium.

  32. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A faulty electoral system

    What is the Connecticut Compromise? California knew the rules in 1850; no one was forcing them to apply for statehood.

    Also, anyone bitching about the electoral college who isn't simultaneously bitching 100 times as hard about the Senate is, once again, selectively outraged and fishing for excuses.

    There's no desperation, except by those who are frenetically in denial that their standard-bearer is a corrupt, lying, fraudulent, pompous, charade of a man, and the fact is, we have needed help to sort through the lies, that's why dozens of websites exist for the express purpose of identifying them.

    "The sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically. He was an object of hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia. But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day, and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were—in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less."

  33. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A faulty electoral system

    What is the Connecticut Compromise?

    A flawed and broken idea that was so badly done it was revised within years(seriously, by the second real election under it, the protocols were obviously faulty), and still fails us(after four documented examples), but we struggle onward with it(because we can't bother to do things right).

    California knew the rules in 1850; no one was forcing them to apply for statehood.

    Actually, the rules changed in the 1920s. That's when they stopped apportioning the House with new members, but forced a squeeze play, and back then, California was barely in the top 10. And Florida, well, Florida was still under a million.

    Also, anyone bitching about the electoral college who isn't simultaneously bitching 100 times as hard about the Senate is, once again, selectively outraged and fishing for excuses.

    Not only do I have little respect for the current legislative system, I've bitched about the apportionment in the House, and the nonsense that is the map of states as well. I know you can't know it, but I know what I've done, so I'm covered, thank you very much.

    There's no desperation, except by those who are frenetically in denial that their standard-bearer is a corrupt, lying, fraudulent, pompous, charade of a man, and the fact is, we have needed help to sort through the lies, that's why dozens of websites exist for the express purpose of identifying them.

    "The sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically. He was an object of hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia. But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day, and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were—in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less."

    Oh my, you can quote 1984.

    But can you quote something like:

    There were two things, they told Doremus, that distinguished this prairie Demosthenes. He was an actor of genius. There was no more overwhelming actor on the stage, in the motion pictures, nor even in the pulpit. He would whirl arms, bang tables, glare from mad eyes, vomit Biblical wrath from a gaping mouth; but he would also coo like a nursing mother, beseech like an aching lover, and in between tricks would coldly and almost contemptuously jab his crowds with figures and facts—figures and facts that were inescapable even when, as often happened, they were entirely incorrect.

    But below this surface stagecraft was his uncommon natural ability to be authentically excited by and with his audience, and they by and with him. He could dramatize his assertion that he was neither a Nazi nor a Fascist but a Democrat—a homespun Jeffersonian-Lincolnian-Clevelandian-Wilsonian Democrat—and (sans scenery and costume) make you see him veritably defending the Capitol against barbarian hordes, the while he innocently presented as his own warm-hearted Democratic inventions, every anti-libertarian, anti-Semitic madness of Europe.

    Give us something that expresses the real nature of the problem, not your badly veiled references to Antisemitism. That's just lazy. Lazy and shallow thinking.

  34. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A flawed and broken idea that was so badly done it was revised within years(seriously, by the second real election under it, the protocols were obviously faulty), and still fails us(after four documented examples),

    It only "fails" if you assume in advance that it's supposed to be doing something it's explicitly not designed to do.

    Actually, the rules changed in the 1920s. That's when they stopped apportioning the House with new members, but forced a squeeze play, and back then, California was barely in the top 10. And Florida, well, Florida was still under a million.

    The rules for changing the rules were also part of the rules.

    the while he innocently presented as his own warm-hearted Democratic inventions, every anti-libertarian, anti-Semitic madness of Europe.

    You're seriously calling the biggest shill for Israel in recent memory an anti-semite? Do you even know how upset the (extremely few) real nazis are with Trump because of stuff like, for example, hiring Kusher and keeping him around despite being mostly useless? Every time a liberal starts frothing at the mouth about some potential scandal involving Kushner I just laugh at how clueless they are.

    Give us something that expresses the real nature of the problem,

    "The program of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Goldstein was not the principal figure."

    not your badly veiled references to Antisemitism.

    Lolwut? Did I miss the news where Trump convert to judaism?

    That's just lazy. Lazy and shallow thinking.

    Says the one whose entire case against Trump amounts to litanies of single-word insults.

  35. Then purge Cloudflare sites. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pirates and evil sites use Cloudflare to mask their origin. Remove them.

    https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/focus-android/issues/1743

  36. Google Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google masks its own country of origin. And for good legal reasons.

    Pi Ca Chew

    Ha ha
     

  37. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Speaking of which, they haven't blocked Fox or Brietbart either, that was just the paranoid ranting of a /. AC. You reacted like it had already happened.

    Fake news indeed.

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  38. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    so they're gonna block foxnews, infowars and breitbart? sweet. so i can use google news again. that's great!

    Google. Helping you build your liberal echo chamber since 1998, one biased filter at a time.

    Thanks for your opinion, Ivan.

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  39. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I go and listen to what liberal cunts have to say because it's so insane, over the top cut loose from all reality and they take it seriously and really mean it which makes it absolutely hilarious.

  40. RT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why is RT still in Google News?

  41. the birth of of nation by lucm · · Score: 1

    I never heard anyone telling people to question dogma, only to switch from one dogma to the other.

    That's how America worked since the Mason-Dixon line. But recently a few big tech companies and the mainstream media have decided that one of the dogmas didn't deserve to be discussed anymore, discarding the fact that 49% of the population thinks otherwise, and they have used their power to push their agenda.

    We need (at least) two points of view. But real ones. You know what I want for Christmas? Politicians who actually represent the values of their party and who go head to head on real issues, instead of having crooks and sociopath paving the way to WWIII in their scheming to get or keep power. Can you imagine having a Sanders / Romney debate? A debate where Sanders doesn't have to pretend he's in favor of unchecked immigration and where Romney doesn't have to pretend that he's opposed to abortion and gay marriage?

    But no. Let's keep looking at $50,000 worth of foreign ads in a campaign where Trump/Clinton spend 80 millions and pretend this has changed the outcome, and let's also keep looking at a $2 million donation from Putin's cronies to the Clinton foundation to get a business deal approved by Clinton. As if the world didn't have more important issues to address.
     

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    1. Re:the birth of of nation by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      That's how America worked since the Mason-Dixon line. But recently a few big tech companies and the mainstream media have decided that one of the dogmas didn't deserve to be discussed anymore

      Sure thing, let us pretend mccarthy never happened.

    2. Re:the birth of of nation by lucm · · Score: 1

      That's how America worked since the Mason-Dixon line. But recently a few big tech companies and the mainstream media have decided that one of the dogmas didn't deserve to be discussed anymore

      Sure thing, let us pretend mccarthy never happened.

      Do you know these people?

      Edward J. Hart
      John Stephens Wood
      Francis E. Walter
      Edwin E. Willis

      Those are Democrats who were chairmen of the House Un-American Activities Committee during the McCarthy era.

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    3. Re:the birth of of nation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are Democrats who were chairmen of the House Un-American Activities Committee during the McCarthy era.

      And yet it's Republicans who insist they're the ones who defended us as the stalwart opponents of Communism.

      Funny that.

      Seriously though, are you confusing your political dogma and political party again? Back in those days, Reagan was a bonafide Democrat. You might as well be citing the political platform of Andrew Jackson or Franklin Pierce.

  42. get real by lucm · · Score: 1

    Google, Facebook, Twitter are actively engaged in pro-liberal agendas. CNN, The New York Times and the Washington Post as well.

    There is a reason why over the last century or so the first thing that leaders of military coups used to do was to take control of national radio, newspapers and later tv stations. It's because when you control information, you control people.

    Yes, there's breitbart and fox news and a few others, but they're a drop in the bucket compared to the giant liberal players. I don't know how things are in UK, maybe you can tell us, but here in America there is a de facto liberal monopoly over news, and it's not even difficult to see it.

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  43. Yay! More censorship! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just love big companys making the decisions about what i'm allowed to see.

    captcha:democrat (lol. really.)

  44. Mislead users? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    So deranking search results informs users?
    How about going back to been a search engine and not just adding more SJW guidelines.

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    1. Re:Mislead users? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you ever learn to read, check back and consider: this isn't about search results.

    2. Re:Mislead users? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      A search engine that actually searches for the news and terms, topics ..
      How innovative that would be to get real news results that have not been altered by SJW...
      No deranking, no censorship, no removal of news. Let the user find what they want with a new search engine that works as it should ...

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  45. Not sure that's what they intended by that... by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

    the search giant added language stipulating that publications not "engage in coordinated activity to mislead users."

    That would get rid of most mainstream media, no?

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  46. i don't care about clinton by aepervius · · Score: 2

    What I do care on the other hand is that fox news is spreading blatant lies. People keep complaining about "fake news" but the reality is one of the biggest purveyor was not the russian (which *maybe* did it for the election) but fox news which does it 365 days/year. They distort most of the time and outright lies sometimes. That may be my scientific training, I can't stand such bullshitter attitude.

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  47. Who are those magical credible news outlets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest question is "CNN is on that list?" if it is the I will be laughing. Google is Pravda :-)

  48. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear you loudly demanding the tyranny of the majority, while at the same time absolutely denying that trump won because the Clinton DNC proudly betrayed the working class and Trump gave them a voice. He's not a republican. The republicans don't like him. However, the middle class voted against shrill bitches in the political parties.

    this can be easily fixed by throwing out the corporate overlords and going back to a party that actually represents the working class, but the political overlords won't let that happen,mans the progressives would riot.

  49. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A flawed and broken idea that was so badly done it was revised within years(seriously, by the second real election under it, the protocols were obviously faulty), and still fails us(after four documented examples),

    It only "fails" if you assume in advance that it's supposed to be doing something it's explicitly not designed to do.

    So you don't care that by its very nature, it doesn't work properly and effectively in giving America confidence in a meaningful election system, but instead papers up an excuse for a system that accomplishes nothing in any particularly meaningful way and tends towards a haphazard result that tends to fail with some regularity.

    Well, if you accept that, then your standards are low enough why are we to give your opinion any consideration whatsoever?

    Actually, the rules changed in the 1920s. That's when they stopped apportioning the House with new members, but forced a squeeze play, and back then, California was barely in the top 10. And Florida, well, Florida was still under a million.

    The rules for changing the rules were also part of the rules.

    Nope. They're not in the rules at all. It's an absence of contrary authority that lets the principles of sound governance be subordinated. That lack is yet another section of the problem. Long-established as recognized, but still, like so many things, nobody nerves themselves up to admit it.

    Hence, of course, your protestation that the rules were set before the institution of a particular state (the choice of which reveals more of your own desire to stigmatize and scapegoat), which rather puts you in the place of your own words being faulty expressions of the reality of the situation on that basis alone. So no great shock what strenuous efforts you go to ignore any form of the iniquities in flawed governance.

    A flaw, instituted by ignorance, warped by malice, as deeply offensive as could be. Yet you spend considerable effort to sputter and rage at the indignity at the mere thought of criticism of it. Mysteriously, of course, when it comes to your own, however, I suspect you are sharply insistent upon them being respected.

    And hey, you left out part of my post:

    Not only do I have little respect for the current legislative system, I've bitched about the apportionment in the House, and the nonsense that is the map of states as well. I know you can't know it, but I know what I've done, so I'm covered, thank you very much.

    Tisk-tisk. I wanted to add a bit, namely about how Puerto Rico remains a second-class stepchild, the remaining remnant of American Colonialism. Now I have to add it in! It's ok, I'll also add in the quote you cut rather than read the whole.

    There were two things, they told Doremus, that distinguished this prairie Demosthenes. He was an actor of genius. There was no more overwhelming actor on the stage, in the motion pictures, nor even in the pulpit. He would whirl arms, bang tables, glare from mad eyes, vomit Biblical wrath from a gaping mouth; but he would also coo like a nursing mother, beseech like an aching lover, and in between tricks would coldly and almost contemptuously jab his crowds with figures and facts—figures and facts that were inescapable even when, as often happened, they were entirely incorrect.

    But below this surface stagecraft was his uncommon natural ability to be authentically excited by and with his audience, and they by and with him. He could dramatize his assertion that he was neither a Nazi nor a Fascist but a Democrat—a homespun Jeffersonian-Lincolnian-Clevelandian-Wilsonian Democrat—and (sans scenery and costume) make you see him veritably defending the Capitol against barbarian hordes, the while he innocently presented as his own warm-hearted Democratic inventions, every anti-libertaria

  50. Corporate Censorship vs State Censorship by Shogun37 · · Score: 1

    Why not let me decide what news is "fake" or fake? Censorship is a very slippery slope, and what starts as a well-meaning effort always ends up getting taken over. Let me inform myself and choose which source can be trusted and which ones need to be tossed out. I realize that Google can choose what sources it puts up on its website, and the criteria does make sense. But where does it stop?

  51. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear you loudly demanding the tyranny of the majority,

    I notice you randomly inserting pet phrases without actually seeking substantial validation beforehand.

    You really need to do less regurgitation and more cogitation.

    while at the same time absolutely denying that trump won because the Clinton DNC proudly betrayed the working class and Trump gave them a voice.

    Yes, yes, I see you insisting that the working class was betrayed by the Clinton DNC, and Trump gave them a voice. Hardly.

    Trump is the one who has been betraying, exploiting, and disadvantaging them for decades, he's merely shouting more vehemently in his promises. But then I already quoted it.

    There were two things, they told Doremus, that distinguished this prairie Demosthenes. He was an actor of genius. There was no more overwhelming actor on the stage, in the motion pictures, nor even in the pulpit. He would whirl arms, bang tables, glare from mad eyes, vomit Biblical wrath from a gaping mouth; but he would also coo like a nursing mother, beseech like an aching lover, and in between tricks would coldly and almost contemptuously jab his crowds with figures and facts—figures and facts that were inescapable even when, as often happened, they were entirely incorrect.

    But below this surface stagecraft was his uncommon natural ability to be authentically excited by and with his audience, and they by and with him. He could dramatize his assertion that he was neither a Nazi nor a Fascist but a Democrat—a homespun Jeffersonian-Lincolnian-Clevelandian-Wilsonian Democrat—and (sans scenery and costume) make you see him veritably defending the Capitol against barbarian hordes, the while he innocently presented as his own warm-hearted Democratic inventions, every anti-libertarian, anti-Semitic madness of Europe.

    Nonetheless, he actually made minimal gains, if any, and sometimes suffered losses as he underperformed George W. Bush in some places. Not exactly the hordes of support he believed, even aside from his fault claims about a rigged election or swarms of illegal voters.

    He's not a republican. The republicans don't like him.

    True, he's got no sense of support for a republic, but would prefer his own populist tyranny. That many of his erstwhile followers will loudly cheer as he insists on the need to unquestionably follow in his leadership is hardly surprising though, they don't understand the concept of a republic.

    However, the middle class voted against shrill bitches in the political parties.

    Nope. The top two got their votes, just as expected. Wasn't even a meaningful protest like good ole Ross Perot managed back in the days of the dinosaurs.

    At most, you can say more people didn't vote, but what's that really mean?

    Not so much. Really, you need to look at the data, and it doesn't show what you want at all.

    this can be easily fixed by throwing out the corporate overlords and going back to a party that actually represents the working class, but the political overlords won't let that happen,mans the progressives would riot.

    Yes, yes, the Democrats need to change, meanwhile the great Trump proclaims that their socialist perfidity is the greatest terror of it all, meanwhile, well...oh wait, I already quoted it.

    Sorry man, but you've got it all backwards and wrongheaded. The corporate overlords are the ones who got the riotous masses to throw them in, and of course, Trump's bold proclamations of his overweening popularity and tide of support are clear indicates that the people want his strong authoritarian rule.

    Or maybe not.

  52. LOL, and Google has the nerve... by Bartles · · Score: 1

    ...to support net neutrality. Now that Google is editing the internet it's time to swing the anti trust hammer.

  53. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislea by Bartles · · Score: 1

    What explains this fetish for the working class? What is the working class?

  54. Re: not engage in coordinated activity to mislead. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    > You guys bitch when Google doesn't do anything about the fake news and political hacking, and then bitch more about when they do. I'm beginning to think you just like bitching about things.

    You are conflating two entirely different groups with two entirely different ideas about how to deal with contrary viewpoints.

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    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  55. Just a thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the problem is on the consumer end?

    Does Google have any journalists on its payroll? No? Then, why the fuck is anyone looking to Google for news?

    People who rely on tech companies like Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. for news are the problem. Social media is just that. It is social. In other words, it is gossip. And, gossip is rarely, if ever, driven by facts. It is almost ALWAYS driven by an agenda, by someone with an axe to grind. Don't like someone, spread nasty gossip about them.

    Do you call your plumber when you want to have a pizza delivered? If you want news, real news, do NOT look to Silicon Valley. Look to the few remaining, decent journalism outlets. Support them before they go bust. Maybe, just maybe, the species can be saved.

  56. Not the answer by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    Censorship is rarely if ever the answer. The fact that a giant alt left company is doing it does not make it better. The solution to propaganda and disinformation is more accurate, factual information, and historical perspective.

    The reason we are in this mess to begin with is the news media degenerated from it's original goal of reporting "Just the facts, mam." to actively shilling for the alt left and the Democrats, often using he said/she said with no underlying facts or background on the parties involved or deeper investigation into the truth.

    Thus, about 65% of the country (the 35% alt left don't even notice the echo chamber) have lost confidence in the MSM to give them the truth on any kind of contentious situation or topic. This was a long slide for the MSM, from the rise of talk radio in the 90s through to the foundation of online only outlets like Breitebart and The Drudge Report. At this point, the majority of people in the US spend more hours online than watching TV and it is just a natural extension that they would rather get their news online than listen to the alt left propaganda coming out of the MSM.

    Russia is just the latest foreign power to recognize this trend and utilize it to spread their propaganda. People who get their "news" from Facebook or Google are at the same level as those who get it around the water cooler, as it is essentially gossip and not much more. Facebook and Google want it to be more, but until they start to honestly and impartially vet sources across the ideological spectrum, they are nothing more than another alt left gossip rag.

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    If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
  57. Go Ogle thinks I'm French, Polish and Norwegian... by Smask · · Score: 1

    I'm getting loads of of French and Polish spam on my gmail accounts. Go Ogle wants to serve Norwegian ads on my phone when I'm connected on my Wi-FI network. I live 80 miles from the Norwegian border the way bird flies. My landlord is getting the Internet and IP-television from Viasat, a Norwegian company.

  58. For the love of Pete ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    For the love of Pete ... we didn't need Russian "fake news" to not want to vote for Hillary. (Nor did most of use even see any, but whatever.)

    No, really, we didn't. It's a great story to tell yourself, but we didn't. She was no-votable all by herself. With stuff she really did and said. Really.

  59. +6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this

  60. Jump to a solution, any, right now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jump to a solution, any, right now!

    Don't think, be stupid!

  61. Stop the internal propaganda first, k? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop the internal propaganda first, k?

  62. This would be easy to defeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting as AC to keep my mods. What Google is proposing seems to be technically impossible. If you're running a crew of Russian sockpuppets, you just buy a couple of dozen shell companies in the US, staff them with a few technicians who will keep their mouths shut, and send your content to the shell companies to post. It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing this already.

  63. Cognitive biases by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Can Google News filter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
    I don't think so.