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Trump Administration Prohibits CDC Policy Analysts From Using the Words 'Science-Based' (washingtonpost.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader hey! writes: On Friday the Washington Post reported that the Trump Administration has forbidden the Centers for Disease Control from using seven terms in certain documents: "science-based", "evidence-based", "vulnerable," "entitlement," "diversity," "transgender," and "fetus".

It's important to note that the precise scope and intent of the ban is unknown at present. Scientific and medical personnel as of now have not been affected, only policy analysts preparing budgetary proposals and supporting data that is being sent to Congress. So it is unclear the degree to which the language mandates represent a change in agency priorities vs. a change in how it presents itself to Congress. However banning the scientifically precise term "fetus" will certainly complicate budgeting for things like Zika research and monitoring.

According to the Post's article, "Instead of 'science-based' or 'evidence-based,' the suggested phrase is 'CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes."

The New York Times confirmed the story with several officials, although "a few suggested that the proposal was not so much a ban on words but recommendations to avoid some language to ease the path toward budget approval by Republicans."

458 comments

  1. They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who had to work with crassly incompetent bosses, too, I can feel for them. This must really be really painful. The best thing they can do is leaking every bullshit those Trumpist idiots are demanding and destroying to the press.

    1. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering the vast amount of non-scienced based evidence like anti-gmo, antivaxxers, chemtrails-believers, naturepaths, homeopaths etc that exists this is hardly buzz word bingo but precise and meaningful definitions.

    2. Re:They must go nuts by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How would the word "fetus" be part of "buzz word bingo"? It has a clear medical definition, and compelling legal definitions.

    3. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Alot of people, like myself, are anti-GMO because of the business practices and behaviors of this industry. I happen to think the science is quite sound. That's called ethics and is encouraged within science.

    4. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's scientific sounding. Conservatives call it a baby.

    5. Re:They must go nuts by LowestKey · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Evidence-based" is absolutely used in medical environments. Perhaps you shouldn't speak about things about which you are ill-informed.

    6. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      âoeEvidenced-based practiceâ is a phrase used in virtually every single nursing research article since world war 2.

    7. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just incompetent, these people are TRAITORS deliberately trying to undermine the rule of law and basic regulatory structures. They are criminals, not just morons.

    8. Re:They must go nuts by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1, Troll

      Politics.

      In Republican/Conservative land, the result of conception it a baby. It's a baby from day zero, and calling it anything else is just an attempt to deny reality and dehumanise the baby so you can kill it. Only Nazis say fetus.

    9. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Indeed. And those who put "choice" above the life of the unborn baby love such terms - they hide the fact that the "choice" is the "choice to kill" without repercussions.

      And don't give me this nonsense about how conservatives only care until the birth of the child. Just because we don't agree that the government is the right way to help people all the time doesn't mean that we don't act. Far more charitable giving and adoptions from conservatives. And - even if this were not the case, the liberal argument still boils down to, "You can't tell me not to murder because you won't take financial responsibility for my decision to have sex."

    10. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another dumbass conned by the lifelong con artist known as Trump

    11. Re: They must go nuts by Bartles · · Score: 0

      Why do they need the distinction? Are they using lots of language and terms that aren't evidence-based? If so, even more reason to update the style guide for government.

    12. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you're a vegetarian.

    13. Re:They must go nuts by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      And those who put "choice" above the life of the unborn baby

      Fetus, not baby. Historically, the idea of confusing the two is a very, very recent development.

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    14. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hope you don't honestly value animal life as highly as human life.

    15. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Politics.

      In Republican/Conservative land, the result of conception it a baby. It's a baby from day zero, and calling it anything else is just an attempt to deny reality and dehumanise the baby so you can kill it. Only Nazis say fetus.

      Mike Pence, is that you?

      I guess you flunked out of high school biology class. Zygote, embryo, and fetus are legitimate scientific terms. That you want to humanize a few cells (zygote) or an embryo that could not possibly survive independently outside a womb, speaks volumes about your own particular agenda. And once the "baby" becomes a fetus, it's pretty damn rare that it's "killed" or aborted. Only in cases where the mother's life is in jeopardy will a doctor consider aborting a fetus.

    16. Re:They must go nuts by Calydor · · Score: 1

      If the CDC can't say that a disease like HIV leaves the body VULNERABLE to other infections ... what should they call it?

      Why are they not allowed to talk about transgenders if it turns out having your gender changed leaves you, yes, vulnerable to a specific set of vir...ii?uses?

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    17. Re:They must go nuts by meglon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ....and those who put freedom and privacy above women being forces to be nothing more than breeding chattel...

      Fixed that for you. And yes, conservatives don't give a fuck about anything other than fetuses. You fucking self-centered pieces of shit can't even renew a childrens health insurance to save childrens lives. You're not pro-life... you're pro-reducing women to second class citizens, just like your patriarchal bastard parents were.

      Until a woman gives birth, that fetus is nothing more than a parasite. Because you don't have a fucking clue about reality doesn't make it any different.

      But let be real here.... conservative policy INCREASES abortions. Access to contraceptives, and actual sex education is what drives down unwanted pregnancy, and stupid fucking conservative douche bags like you do everything possible to make those things harder for people to get.

      Fetus is a scientific term... but as we see from this dipshit news, conservatives are too fucking stupid to understand anything past their anti-intellectual fantasy land.

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    18. Re:They must go nuts by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

      I guess you flunked out of high school biology class. Zygote, embryo, and fetus are legitimate scientific terms.

      I wonder if whoosh is also a scientific term.

    19. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken with all the vehemence of a true frothing-at-the-mouth fanatic. Well played!

    20. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      a fetus of less than 6 weeks is not yet a thinking, feeling person, because there is not yet a brian.

    21. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a question.

      Were you born this fucking dumb, or did it take years of hard work of drinking, bar room brawls, and beating your wife?

      Are you fucking kidding me. "science-based" and "evidence-based" are not buzzwords. Holy fucking hell.

    22. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a reason that throughout history killing a pregnant woman was worse than killing just the woman.

      But nice rewrite of history.

      Oh my, it sounds like you have some evidence then.

      What ancient cultures thought killing a pregnant woman to be worse then killing a non pregnant woman. Roman, Greek, Ethiopian, Aztec? Which ones?

    23. Re:They must go nuts by jeremyp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You think "fetus", "science based" and "evidence based" are buzzwords?

      You are part of the problem.

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    24. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ahh good old bartles, one of the resident dumbasses,

      Here Ill give you an example.

      The flat earthers do not have any evidence-based facts.

      There. That's how a scientific person would say flat earthers are pulling shit out of their asses.

      Now while I am all in favor of putting it plainly, there is a bit of decorum needed in the papers they write.

    25. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *slow clap*

    26. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice exercise in false equivalence.

    27. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's like being anti-electronics because Microsoft sucks. It's stupid. If your problem is with a corporation, or with corporations in general, then you should be anti-corporation, not anti-gmo.

    28. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not. Your analogy is terrible. It's like being anti-pesticise because the agricultural and chemical industries are irresponsible, and our government is subject to regulatory capture.

    29. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How in the holy hell do you get "absolutist" and "animal lives matter" out of "killing babies is wrong"? I sincerely hope you kept the receipt for your education.

    30. Re:They must go nuts by BronsCon · · Score: 1
      Sometimes, the argument is:

      "You can't tell me not to murder because you won't take financial responsibility for my decision to get raped."

      Because that's always a choice someone makes, right?

      I haven't seen blinders that work that well in a while; what brand are they and where can I buy a pair?

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    31. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Yes, that would be equally stupid. Again, you're opposed to a technology because you don't like corporations. If you don't see how foolish that is ... I really don't know how to dumb it down for you any further.

    32. Re: They must go nuts by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      So says the blind Zealot.
      http://responsibletechnology.o...

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    33. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >false equivalence.
      it would be as false a baby=fetus.

    34. Re:They must go nuts by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Funny

      This gives 'The Life of Brian' a complete new meaning!

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    35. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The butthurt, it is strong with this one.

    36. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're living in the forest on twigs, berries and whatever game you can catch, all food you eat is genetically modified by humans in some form or another.

    37. Re: They must go nuts by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      No, he's opposed to the technology because the major corporation pushing it are assholes who want to corner the market for a necessity.

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    38. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what I said.

    39. Re:They must go nuts by meglon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the difference between me and you, dickwad... i don't presume to tell a woman how to feel about anything, nor to i have the mental handicap of thinking i know what's best for them. Stupid fucks like you, on the other hand, if you're truly serious about reducing abortions.. then you would promote policies that do just that like better sex ed for teens, and easy access to contraceptives, not ones that do the opposite like the bullshit abstinence only.

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    40. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " what brand are they and where can I buy a pair?"
      Same places that sell MAGA caps & Trump ties.

    41. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being anti-gmo because corporations, well, that only makes sense if the only place selling gmos is corporations.

    42. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you would be happier for him if he was, rather, opposed to every instance of the technology employed by corporate entities of whom he disapproves?

    43. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Considering the vast amount of science based evidence like anti-gmo, antivaxxers....."
      There I fixed it 4 U.

      The "Department of Thruth" has fixed some snags in the New-Speak.

      Read 1984 you fuckning moron.

    44. Re: They must go nuts by unrtst · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I love this little thread! It seems to embody the discourse for many of this years issues.
      * Someone takes a side on something
      * Other people adamantly disagree
      * Others join first side, still no reasons presented
      * Second side states some nearly-fact, and references it as why they are correct
      * First side barely rephrases the same fact, and uses it to claim they are correct
      * A back and forth ensues, each saying, "no, it's because $same_fact"
      * Side note: one of the parties doesn't actually believe the fact, so they can't even fall back to agreeing on that

      Regarding that last point, it means the two sides here probably won't agree that Monsanto is awful and needs broken in a variety of ways, even though "big evil gmo company" is the shared fact.... though someone from both sides WILL agree to that, and it just leaves everyone frustrated, wondering how nearly everyone involved can be saying essentially the same thing and arriving an completely opposing opinions.

      FWIW, I blame language, or the poor or inaccurate use of it.

    45. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the medical treatments turning people into GMOs by silencing the gene for Huntingtons or adding in the gene that hemophiliacs are missing? I believe they also are supplied to the individuals treated by corporate entities.

    46. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why we must get back to remembering the real meaning of Xmas, the birth of Brian.

    47. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like being anti-electronics because Microsoft sucks. It's stupid. If your problem is with a corporation, or with corporations in general, then you should be anti-corporation, not anti-gmo.

      Well, he probably doesn't mind farmers breeding their own seeds. But industrial gene-splicing GMO is only sustainable in corporate contexts. Those work best when combining patents (and even copyright) with monocultures and herbicides making the soil unsuitable for anything but corporately controlled industrial agriculture for at least decades.

      They'll tell you how wonderful it is to breed, nay, fabricate soy seeds that will make the intestines of soy beetles melt. The problem is that soy beetles did not magically appear out of thin air when soy went into agriculture. Preexisting plant eaters become superpests because of monocultures creating large habitats where they flourish. That will not be different with GMO seeds. Wherever you draw the line, the pests will follow. Larger corporate-based monocultures are not the answer. They are the problem. And GMO seeds are a recipe for acerbating it.

    48. Re:They must go nuts by hey! · · Score: 1

      Rejecting the neutral "fetus" may be intended to force the use of a more loaded term, e.g. "unborn baby".

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    49. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A conservative uterus is like a Schrödinger's box: the baby is live and dead at the same time.

    50. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's your problem. Political party members don't have brains either... so you're not convincing either side about the difference, yet.

    51. Re: They must go nuts by DatbeDank · · Score: 0

      Meant to say: Jim Crow laws were made by Democrats.

    52. Re:They must go nuts by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      I guess you flunked out of high school biology class. Zygote, embryo, and fetus are legitimate scientific terms.

      I wonder if whoosh is also a scientific term.

      Yeah, it's for humor (often sarcasm) that went over someone's head :) What we have here is more a complete (deliberate or otherwise) failure to read the first 5 words of the post one is replying to.

    53. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because they are not babies. They are, you know, fetuses.

    54. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously the solution is simple, release two types of documents.

      The internal one for the censors and upper president offices presidenting hard busy with reading and intelligent stuff with all of terms censored with the word electrolytes.

      And the public non-official version.

    55. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Well, he probably doesn't mind farmers breeding their own seeds. But industrial gene-splicing GMO is only sustainable in corporate contexts.

      That's just total nonsense. There is absolutely nothing about gene splicing which requires corporations at all, let alone which would make it "only sustainable in corporate contexts".

      They'll tell you how wonderful it is to breed, nay, fabricate soy seeds that will make the intestines of soy beetles melt. The problem is that soy beetles did not magically appear out of thin air when soy went into agriculture. Preexisting plant eaters become superpests because of monocultures creating large habitats where they flourish.

      This is more nonsense. Pests don't just magically appear when we introduce monoculture. Do you know anything at all about ecosystems? About the history of farming? Pests, weeds, and blights have always existed and will always exist, regardless of the farming methods we employ. Monoculture may exacerbate the problem, but it doesn't create it. Even if it did, though, how in the world is that supposed to be an argument against creating BT producing crops?

      That will not be different with GMO seeds. Wherever you draw the line, the pests will follow.

      No shit. Kinda like wherever we draw the line when it comes to our health, viruses and bacteria will follow.

      Nature evolves, that's a given. And we keep improving our technology. What's your alternative, exactly? Some Avatar fantasy where if we are just really nice to the bugs they'll stop eating our crops? If we say kind words to the viruses, they'll stop ravaging our bodies?

      Larger corporate-based monocultures are not the answer. They are the problem.

      They are only a problem if your goal is mass starvation. "Larger corporate-based monocultures" have done more to elevate people out of poverty and starvation than any other technological improvement in history.

    56. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are you OK with Republicans being racist now, because Democrats were racist then? Does that give you sufficient excuse to support them?

    57. Re: They must go nuts by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      What I understood was hewas opposed to technology because people are stupid. Corporations being made up of people,...

      Which is more along the lines of being opposed to Microsoft and Apache, AND especially the credit system itself, because of Equifax.

    58. Re: They must go nuts by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Alot of people, like myself, are anti-GMO because of the business practices and behaviors of this industry.

      If that were the case, your movement would be for specified ethical standards in the genetic engineering business. Instead, you're anti-genetic engineering and you want all our food labeled to give people the impression that GMO is to be avoided..

    59. Re: They must go nuts by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      No, he's opposed to the technology because the major corporation pushing it are assholes who want to corner the market for a necessity.

      Then why do they also oppose golden rice, a GMO which is open source and designed specifically to feed the poor in starving countries? Here again, a rational movement would push for eliminating patent monopolies in the genetic engineering field. This would be a legal problem, not an engineering problem.

    60. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite a few adults aren't thinking, feeling persons, but we don't generally approve of killing them.

      I suppose next will be a charge of speciesism, but it's speciesist to kill mosquitoes, so good luck with that.

    61. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      > Jim Crow was a Democrat

      You're semantically-correct, but effectively wrong. Today's "Republican" and "Democratic" parties BOTH differ in important, fundamental ways from the parties bearing their names 50+ years ago. We've had at LEAST 2 or 3 MAJOR partisan re-alignments over the past 150 years where the names remained the same, but the members (and their personalities) got shuffled and switched around.

      Abraham Lincoln was most assuredly NOT a "limited-government states-rights evangelical conservative", any more than Thomas Jefferson was a welfare-state environmentalist who advocated the poor, powerless, black, or otherwise-disenfranchised.

      Both parties are volatile, fragile coalitions. In countries with proportional-representation parliamentary democracy, the coalitions are formed by elected officials after each election. In countries with first past the post elections (regardless of whether you call the resulting body a "congress" or "parliament"), you inevitably end up with 2 strong parties that shuffle back & forth, with a third group that occasionally coalesces into a stable third party, and the coalitions are effectively formed BEFORE the election.

      This is why Republicans in Congress keep ending up hamstrung by their most extreme right-wing members, instead of kicking them to the curb and forming working coalitions with the least-liberal Democrats. The leaders of BOTH parties know that the result would eventually be another reshuffling that would probably result in a hardcore right-wing evangelical party big enough to keep Rs and Ds from getting clear majorities, while the Rs and Ds themselves were BOTH dragged towards a more ambiguous center neither party WANTS to be at, with neither Rs nor Ds likely to achieve solid, stable majorities for a long time afterwards. So conservative-leaning Democrats are pressured into NOT forming coalitions with Republicans, and Republicans aren't allowed to even THINK about forming a temporary coalition with any Democrats, even if such a coalition could steamroll over the extremists in both parties... both parties will automatically sacrifice short-term victories for the sake of long-term stability.

    62. Re: They must go nuts by Twanfox · · Score: 1

      Oh, to see this post posted by an AC with no mod points to give in response to blind observance of history outside of context. Came here to post this very same idea (The 'Democrats' and 'Republican' parties are not immutable in ideals through history) and find this better explained lesson. Bravo.

    63. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "that fetus is nothing more than a parasite"

      Your post is a good example of why women are superior to men.

      You must be quite the booger picking nerd. Hopefully you haven't reproduced, but from the sounds of it, you haven't.

      Evolution says those that reproduce are the winners. That is science-based.

    64. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, am completely in favor of retroactive abortion, you insensitive clod.

    65. Re:They must go nuts by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      Very well said.

    66. Re:They must go nuts by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Insightful

      +1.

      Honestly, whether or not abortiion is "right" or "wrong" is utterly irrelevant.

      We should be using terms like "forced birthers" because that describes what so-called "anti-abortionists" are supporting. Not saving a fetus, but forcing a woman to give birth without her consent.

      Perhaps in 100 years, we will rightly refer to forced-birthers with a similar disdain that we currently reserve for rape supporters.

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    67. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a fucking moron because GMO has been going on for literally millennia via forced selection breeding.

      You certainly have no fucking clue. You are probably the type that spreads that "Monsanto is banned in these countries, why not the USA?" meme when Monsanto isn't even close to being banned in those countries.

    68. Re:They must go nuts by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 1

      "Susceptible", perhaps.

    69. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bro, lay off of if, we get it, you love GMO food, and will defend it to the death of you. Christ sakes you are brainwashed.

    70. Re: They must go nuts by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      You are a fucking moron because GMO has been going on for literally millennia via forced selection breeding.

      There's a difference between natural forced selection breeding between plants GMO and Monsanto doing it in the lab at the molecular level breeding plants with spiders GMO.

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    71. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that your supposition that abortion is murder is correct. I don't agree with it, but just play along here.

      Which would you rather have, a quick death when you aren't capable of realizing what's happening, or thirty to forty years of starvation, disease, poverty, and hate, only to finally wind up in jail and die miserably anyway?

      You connservatives just don't get that an unwanted child makes life worse for everyone, including you. You also don't get that your argument isn't compassionate because it depends on people deciding to be charitable, rather than requiring a basic standard of living, meaning that it only requires one case of a neglected child being unable to receive charity before the whole argument falls apart.

      I, on the other hand, just don't get why a lifetime of torment is preferable to satisfy a questionable moral qualm about a chunk of biomass that can't think or feel even as well as a dog, a species we slaughter out of sheer convenience.

    72. Re: They must go nuts by meglon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fact: most of the judges on the supreme court who voted for roe vs wade were conservative.

      Fact: the supreme court is supposed to be non-political positions. Additionally, as you can see by the stance of the members currently, ALL of the conservatives are against the Roe v Wade decision.

      Fact: More Republicans voted in favor of the 19th amendment than democrats did.

      You're conflating "republican" with "conservative" here. In the 1920's, democrats were the more conservative party.

      Fact: Jim Crow was a Democrat.

      Again, trying to suggest that democrats of the time were progressives; democrats of this time were radically conservative. Even brain dead idiots know that.

      And to those [citation needed] tools, highlight the facts, right click on it, and select "search in google".

      Fact: the only tool i see here is you. It takes an idiot to think that the republican party of the early 1900's even remotely resembles the modern day republican party. Modern republicans are the anti-thesis to Lincoln and his progressive republican party.

      Bet you didn't know those inconvenient facts did you?

      Yeh... i've seen your form of stupidity before. You're like the morons who think the NAZI's were socialists just because that word was part of their name. .. or One Million Moms who's membership is, what... less than 200k (and that's being generous). You mooks believe everything your masters tell you.... it must hurt to go through life as stupid as you are.

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    73. Re:They must go nuts by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Troll

      It wasn't conservatives who located Planned Parenthood clinics in black neighborhoods. They bring to a stop 237 black lives every day. We're missing 2 million blacks today because of this. You going to applaud, racist?

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    74. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Makes sense. I'm personally opposed to fire because people are stupid and irresponsible and might burn down the forest. Why can't they just keep eating their meat raw dammit.

    75. Re: They must go nuts by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between natural forced selection breeding between plants GMO and Monsanto doing it in the lab at the molecular level breeding plants with spiders GMO.

      Except you just made that up. Monsanto has not put spider DNA into any plant based product that they sell.

      Can you cite a better example of what you are objecting to that isn't total BS?

    76. Re: They must go nuts by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1
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    77. Re:They must go nuts by ratpick · · Score: 0

      This expletive laced tirade was modded up to "5, Interesting"? WTF, slashdot readers? Please try think for yourselves instead of regurgitating whatever ideology the media is spoon feeding. While a schoolyard "us vs them" mindset may be satisfying to the small minded, it has no place in thoughtful discourse and claiming the intellectual high ground while doing so is absurd.

    78. Re: They must go nuts by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Access to contraceptives, and actual sex education is what drives down unwanted pregnancy,

      Abortions rose rapidly in the US in the late 1960â(TM)s, along with a massive ease of access to contraceptives and sex education. So the idea that âoeaccess to contraceptives and sex educationâ prevent abortions is foolish. Donâ(TM)t get me wrong: I think contraceptives should be widely available and everybody should know about what happens when a man sticks his dick in a woman. But the reason for the high rates of single motherhood, teenage pregnancy, etc. are clearly not ignorance; rather the opposite: women know very well how to get pregnant, they simply donâ(TM)t consider it a big deal anymore: there is little social stigma attached to it anymore, and there are almost no financial or medical consequences attached to an abortion or single motherhood anymore.

      and stupid fucking conservative douche bags like you do everything possible to make those things harder for people to get.

      The real problem is that since the 1960â(TM)s, the US has been massively subsidizing irresponsible sexual behavior and childbearing: families that canâ(TM)t afford to have children, single mothers, etc. And thatâ(TM)s the fault of people like you. And the amount of harm people like you have been causing to women and children is staggering.

    79. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And from the other end of the political axis, you get the non-science based evidence like "non-binary gender".

    80. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I don't think one needs to be a mind reader in order to read a Slashdot comment which says "I'm anti-GMO". Pretty sure we just call that "reading".

    81. Re: They must go nuts by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Are the corps claiming ownership of the patients and all their descendants in perpetuity?

      Not the same then, is it?

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    82. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope sire. Science is about understanding the World, not about advancing GMO or vaxxing agenda. Nor even about selling this or that brand of toothpaste. Nothing in Science is "science based" in the buzzword ad. sense, so Trump Administration is very very sound here. And good for Science as well for It is best for Science not to be dragged in into lay politics.

    83. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much food you are eating has parts of human DNA in it? With GMO there will be no difference between humans and food, soon you will see people eating people.

    84. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forbidding the thing altogether is a way of enforcing ethical standard. In fact it is the best way , the safest one, given very limited citizen control over the corporations (cf. the VW debacle).

    85. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, clearly it's the child's fault for being born. They should be punished with moral, financial, and legal repricussions because of something their mother (not their father, mind you!) did or didn't do.

      That worked well in China.

    86. Re: They must go nuts by mindwhip · · Score: 0

      Community standards will guarantee the spread of disease goes viral.

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    87. Re: They must go nuts by jbengt · · Score: 1

      No, he's opposed to it because the major corporations pushing it are assholes who will hide evidence about potential hazards to health and the environment if it might cost them a few dollars to admit.

    88. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the idea they're objecting to - it's the spelling. They want you to spell it 'foetus'.

    89. Re: They must go nuts by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Alot of people, like myself, are anti-GMO

      You should probably consider that you are driven by emotion and propaganda. Because that's how it looks to the outside world.

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    90. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Abortions rose rapidly in the US in the late 1960â(TM)s, along with a massive ease of access to contraceptives and sex education.

      You mean legal access to abortions meant they were being reported, and not hidden? Oh my.

      But actually, there were a lot of difficulties with access to contraceptives (Eisenstadt v. Baird wasn't decided until the 1970s), and even birth control. However...yep, these days, abortions are plunging. They're now lower than they were when Roe v. Wade was decided.

      And so is the birth rate among large swathes of the population for that matter.

      So the idea that âoeaccess to contraceptives and sex educationâ prevent abortions is foolish.

      Sorry man, but evidence indicates otherwise, what with the steadily dropping rate of unwanted pregnancy in this country.

      But the reason for the high rates of single motherhood, teenage pregnancy, etc. are clearly not ignorance; rather the opposite: women know very well how to get pregnant, they simply donâ(TM)t consider it a big deal anymore: there is little social stigma attached to it anymore, and there are almost no financial or medical consequences attached to an abortion or single motherhood anymore.

      Actually, in the US, teen pregnancy rates have been dropping, they're now half the rate they were two decades ago, let alone back in the 1960s(there was a peak in the late 1980s, back when good ole Reagan was pushing his evangelical agenda), and are now at an all time low. It's only in comparison to other nations that there's an elevation. So there's another error for you.

      Of course, there's also a problem with your analysis of single mothers, namely you're confusing unwed with the actual details of the relationship. A lot of people just reject marriage these days, and no, you can't blame it on Obergefeld v. Hodges.

      The real problem is that since the 1960â(TM)s, the US has been massively subsidizing irresponsible sexual behavior and childbearing: families that canâ(TM)t afford to have children, single mothers, etc. And thatâ(TM)s the fault of people like you. And the amount of harm people like you have been causing to women and children is staggering.

      Sure, oolorie, you haven't been hanging out with Judge Benningfield, have you?

      That's not good for you at all. It'll get you in trouble, and you don't even have to be a teenage girl in the Gadsen Mall.

    91. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And yes, conservatives don't give a fuck about anything other than fetuses.

      Not true. A lot of them also like little girls.

    92. Re: They must go nuts by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      How much food you are eating has parts of human DNA in it?

      All of it, apart form the fava beans and the chianti.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    93. Re: They must go nuts by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

      I feel like part of this is due to each side trying to establish their version of reality. Monsanto is bad. But if my goal is no GMO, and I'm trying to establish a future free of GMO, anything short of banning GMO is a compromise that I don't have to make.

    94. Re: They must go nuts by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      http://www.takepart.com/articl...

      1. Has nothing whatsoever to do with Monsanto.
      2. Not used in plants.
      3. Not a product, just R&D.

      Care to try again?

    95. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the objective fact is that a fetus is not a baby for any meaningful definition of the word "baby". Your have your feels which are formed at least in part by doctrine, and that's fine. You can even make a strong moral case that a fetus should be be treated LIKE a baby, and although I'd disagree I would still respect your position as genuinely held and worth debating.

      The problem is extremists want to broaden the legal definition of what is and isn't a baby in order to use the state's monopoly on violence to compel women to have unwanted pregnancies. This should be dismissed out of hand as being neither an objective or moral debate.

    96. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine, they should switch to "growing tissue mass".

    97. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fetus, not baby. Historically, the idea of confusing the two is a very, very recent development.

      I blame McDonald's. Their fetus burger wasn't selling, so they renamed it the Baby Big Mac.

      Everyone knows real babies are far more delicious.

    98. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You people are never so dumb as when you think youâ(TM)re being clever. Amazingly enough, biology is sufficiently complicated that there are hundreds of ways in which peopleâ(TM)s gender may not fit a neat category of male or female.

    99. Re: They must go nuts by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Then why do they also oppose golden rice

      How do you know what *he* opposes, you fat fairy-tale believing cunt? Mind reader, are you?

      The anti-GMO wackos didn't just protest golden rice, they went out to the test plots in the Philippines and uprooted the plants.

      Now that Duterte is in power there I would love to see his gunners mow down the next lot of anti-GMO wackjobs right there in the fields. Let them be fertilizer for the rice.

    100. Re: They must go nuts by meglon · · Score: 2

      Abortions rose rapidly in the US in the late 1960's, along with a massive ease of access to contraceptives and sex education.

      You mean... about the time it became legal, and started to be reported.... yeh, that kinda makes sense, doesn't it?

      So the idea that access to contraceptives and sex education prevent abortions is foolish

      ...except that the evidence disagree with you.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      https://rewire.news/article/20...

      ...and then there's this other side....

      https://mic.com/articles/98886...

      Abstinence education: There's almost no getting around it. States with abstinence-only education have the highest rates of teen pregnancies.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S.

      And let me fix this for you....

      The real problem is that since the 1960's, the US has been massively subsidizing irresponsible sexual behavior and childbearing: families that can't afford to have children, single mothers, etc. And that's the fault of people WHO TRY TO FORCE WOMEN TO HAVE CHILDREN WHEN THEY GET PREGNANT.... you know, the stupid fucking pro-forced-birth conservatives.

      And the amount of harm people like you have been causing to women and children is staggering.

      You don't give a fuck about women or children, only fetus's. The first fucking thing out of your mouth is a lie, followed by complaining about how much money it costs. Hey dipshit, read the article from Colorado. Fewer unwanted pregnancies = less cost and fewer abortions. Anyone with a fucking brain can look at the data and see that where abstinence only is the only thing taught, unwanted teen pregnancy is the highest. Colorado solved that... how? By make contraceptives available; and that also reduces abortions.

      You want to talk about harm done... stupid idiots like you, who can't live in reality and believe your bullshit fantasy... that's what's fucking up this country.

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    101. Re:They must go nuts by meglon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no possibility of thoughtful discourse when one side of the argument is intentionally choosing to be as ignorant as fuck. I'm not taking the intellectual high ground, i'm pointing out that reality says these people are fucking idiots and flat out wrong. You keep up your petty passive-aggressive insults, and try to feel morally superior... you ain't, you're just trying to look that way to gain whatever petty authority you think comes with it.

      Stupidity and liars should be roundly called out, criticized, belittled, and mocked until they quit being stupid, or till they quit lying. Why was this modded up? Who knows... maybe it's because people are fed up with the holier than though ignorant lying fucks that show up on these threads posting complete bullshit.

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    102. Re: They must go nuts by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Then why do they also oppose golden rice

      How do you know what *he* opposes, you fat fairy-tale believing cunt? Mind reader, are you?

      Because he says he's anti-GMO. Anti-GMO. That doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.
      He didn't say he's against GMOs put out by certain corporations with a history of bad ethics.
      Just anti-GMO, as if any one is just as bad as any other.
      Big name organizations and critics of GMO are usually dismissive of Golden Rice as well, including usual environmental frauds Greenpeace and Michael Pollan.

    103. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The debate about controlling women's sexuality would be much less antagonistic if we can just agree on terms.

      How about "guest operating system" instead of "fetus".

    104. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fire people" like Johnn Storm (a.k.a., the Human Torch) could accidently burn down the forest.

    105. Re: They must go nuts by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      What if EVERY single corporation using GMO's appear to be EVIL?

    106. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No there is not. There is no genders outside of grammar, and biology only knows sexes and their evolutionary strategies. There is no any hundreds of them. For example, being an effeminate gamma male hiding from the competition amongst the alphas harem is just one of the ages old strategies and does not require any grammatical genders at all to be involved.

    107. Re: They must go nuts by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

      and there are almost no financial or medical consequences attached to an abortion or single motherhood anymore.

      Are you kidding? You demonstrate an enormous ignorance of the world.

    108. Re: They must go nuts by Aighearach · · Score: 3

      And it make it funnier, now we have the rest of what would have been the original story if they had checked it before reporting, and there was no word ban, it was actually a meeting about how to write budget proposals using Republican talking points for the nefarious purpose of funding the CDC priorities while the Republicans control government. And slashdot is fighting over "something something fetus corporation something something sciencosity."

    109. Re: They must go nuts by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      So the idea that access to contraceptives and sex education prevent abortions is foolish

      ...except that the evidence disagree with you.

      No, it doesn't. Obviously, sex education and contraception can help reduce unwanted pregnancies, but you attributed high US pregnancy and abortion rates to their lack of availability in the US, and that explanation doesn't work.

      The real problem is that since the 1960's, the US has been massively subsidizing irresponsible sexual behavior and childbearing: families that can't afford to have children, single mothers, etc. And that's the fault of people WHO TRY TO FORCE WOMEN TO HAVE CHILDREN WHEN THEY GET PREGNANT.... you know, the stupid fucking pro-forced-birth conservatives.

      Abortion in the US is widely available and has been legal for forty years, so that argument also doesn't make sense.

      You want to talk about harm done... stupid idiots like you, who can't live in reality and believe your bullshit fantasy... that's what's fucking up this country.

      I think you just demonstrated who is "fucking up this country". You can't even have a rational argument with someone who is pro-choice without become abusive and hostile.

    110. Re: They must go nuts by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? You demonstrate an enormous ignorance of the world.

      No, I'm not kidding. Major complications after abortions are extremely rare. As for financial consequences, the proper comparison for a woman is joblessness without children vs joblessness with children, and the latter is clearly financially quite a bit better for the woman.

    111. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I don't get your point. Are you saying that you're confused about why a person can own a plant, but not own another person?

    112. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I once worked electrical construction. The journeyman assigned to me was... special.

      One day he told me that he wrote, "sheet rockers have shit for brains" on the outhouse wall.

      When I went in there, completely forgetting about what he said, I see written with a sharpie:

      Sheet rockers have SHIT for BRIANS!

      At least it was memorable.

    113. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      What if EVERY single corporation using GMO's appear to be EVIL?

      In that case:

      1. You should probably stop getting all your information on the subject from National News and various mommy blogs, and

      2. Even if every single corporation which did any kind of genetic engineering whatsoever actually were completely evil, it still would not be a valid reason to oppose genetic engineering or genetically modified organisms.

      I think every major ISP is pretty fucking evil, but I don't oppose the internet. Even if every single ISP in existence were completely evil, I would not be opposed to the internet. I might demand more government oversight, or even nationalisation of the infrastructure in the most extreme case, but I would still think that the internet is a pretty great thing to have.

    114. Re: They must go nuts by kenh · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      There's this "shocking" alternative wording proposed:

      According to the Post's article, "Instead of 'science-based' or 'evidence-based,' the suggested phrase is 'CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes."

      The difference between 'science-based' and 'bases it's recommendations on science' eludes me, and the added 'in consideration with community standards and wishes'? Seriously? That last bit gives CDC the ability to say things like 'everyone in this situation should have a blood transfusion, unless their religion instructs otherwise' or 'everyone should get inoculated unless they have strongly-held opinion not to'...

      What s complete non-story!

      The title should be "Career CDC leaders encourage staffers to use political talking-points in budget requests in hopes to secure higher funding levels in future budgets".

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    115. Re: They must go nuts by kenh · · Score: 1

      This is nothing more than career bosses suggesting that staffers pepper their budget requests with political talking-points to increase their likelihood of securing greater funding levels from republicans.

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      Ken
    116. Re: They must go nuts by kenh · · Score: 0

      We should be using terms like "forced birthers" because that describes what so-called "anti-abortionists" are supporting. Not saving a fetus, but forcing a woman to give birth without her consent.

      Riiiight... because every abortion is because the woman was either raped or experiencing an immaculate conception, 'a la the virgin mary'. She didn't consent to having the man engage in all the requisite steps to impregnate her - it just 'happened', she's a victim of her own completely unpredictable fertility cycle and some innocent sexual activity...

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    117. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you don't use the right buzz words, will you get funded? Chances are, probably not. Anyone in academia or who lives according to funding calls k ows this game and it isn't just Trump. During Obama we had to pick up things like "recovery" and "carbon neutral," but even those were no different than the "value added" words of old. This isnt really a Trump thing but just a government case of SNAFU.

    118. Re: They must go nuts by kenh · · Score: 1

      So you consider women to be nothing more than meat-based 'hyper-visors'?

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    119. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science has no ethics ... no values ... no concept of the virtuous middle. Only this: that prediction closest the data-points wins. Always. Even if it trashes equality, crushes fairness, rousts bleeding hearts and condemns greedy Semites and rancid Bantu to lives of screaming desperation. Or not. Kept me alive a lot longer than Gaia intended ... ain't science a bitch !

    120. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That last bit gives CDC the ability to say things like 'everyone in this situation should have a blood transfusion, unless their religion instructs otherwise' or 'everyone should get inoculated unless they have strongly-held opinion not to'...

      Well, that right there is the problem. It's a bit like the police saying "everyone should avoid drinking and driving, unless they really want to", or an air traffic controller saying "drop to FL 20 and reduce speed to 200 knots, unless your religion instructs otherwise".

    121. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A fetus is a fetus until it is born. You may be thinking of "embryo".

    122. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard "science-based" and "evidence-based" so often recently, that yes, I do feel that they are buzzwords. They don't really seem to add anything to most sentences.

      Fetus, OTOH... I don't understand that one.

    123. Re: They must go nuts by Kjella · · Score: 1

      You're semantically-correct, but effectively wrong. Today's "Republican" and "Democratic" parties BOTH differ in important, fundamental ways from the parties bearing their names 50+ years ago. We've had at LEAST 2 or 3 MAJOR partisan re-alignments over the past 150 years where the names remained the same, but the members (and their personalities) got shuffled and switched around.

      My impression of US politics is that one side finds out "Hey, we now only appeal to 45% of the population... what swing voters can we flip?" and then absorb some position regardless of any consistency with itself, ideology or the past. The names are just tags for a collection of policies that floats freely with the political currents. Here in Europe with proportional representation it's more about staying true to some group of voters, you have to renew yourself but you can't chase away the voters you have. If you try to broaden yourself in every direction you're more likely to end up as a leaky faucet as those you pander to aren't convinced and the core voters feel like you're abandoning them.

      Obviously you have the choice to sit on the fence in the US too. But far too many then feel that they're either not participating in choosing leadership and can't complain or that no matter how bad the candidate is, it's still better than the opposition. Quite a few people on both sides would hold their nose and vote for Hillary and Trump because (D) and (R). Though I suppose in a one-person race there can only be one winner, we but instead have a prime minister picked by those who form government. Typically that'd be the head of the largest party, with then lesser coalition members heading other departments. It's not just one executive running wild...

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    124. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does consent during sex have to do with anything in this conversation?

    125. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I blame language, or the poor or inaccurate use of it.

      I blame fake news, laziness, and stupidity. When people start ranting about Monsanto as a reason they think GMOs should be banned, it immediately tells me 2 things:

      1. They've heard all the usual bullshit about Monsanto, and either never bothered to try and verify it or don't know how to try and verify it.

      2. They think it's perfectly OK to eliminate an entire field of research and development based solely on the fact that they dislike some of the people who are involved in it.

      These are not language problems; these are problems created by misinformation and poor critical thinking skills.

    126. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't conservatives who located Planned Parenthood clinics in black neighborhoods. They bring to a stop 237 black lives every day. We're missing 2 million blacks today because of this. You going to applaud, racist?

      Oh is this another retread on the way to your false assertion that Planned Parenthood was formed to exterminate the black race, all while ignoring not only how it did not perform abortions for decades, the founder actually began a clinic in her own neighborhood first, then got asked by the religious leaders of Harlem to help them?

    127. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gender is a social construct, you fucking imbecile.

      When you are accusing others of being stupid, try to not say something stupid...

    128. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roman law considered the murder of a pregnant woman to be two murders... So did Hebrew law.

    129. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem absolutely fine telling hundreds of millions of women who are opposed to abortion what they should think and feel.. And if they don't agree with you, you insult them.

      You come across as an edgy teen faqqot regurgitating some propaganda talking points. Come back when you're an adult and have experienced something beyond your coddled childish existence.

    130. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the idea that access to contraceptives and sex education prevent abortions is foolish

      ...except that the evidence disagree with you.

      No, it doesn't.

      Yes, it does. It's right there in copious links you not so mysteriously excised from your reply:

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      https://rewire.news/article/20...

      ...and then there's this other side....

      https://mic.com/articles/98886...

      Abstinence education: There's almost no getting around it. States with abstinence-only education have the highest rates of teen pregnancies.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S.

      It's all there. You cut it out. That speaks volumes.

      Obviously, sex education and contraception can help reduce unwanted pregnancies, but you attributed high US pregnancy and abortion rates to their lack of availability in the US, and that explanation doesn't work.

      Except it does. Sorry, but the evidence already cited clearly shows that states with an adamant opposition to contraception and sex education are correlated with higher US pregnancy and abortion rates than the states that don't have such social policies.

      I know it's bothersome to you, that the actual evidence-based research indicates otherwise, but really, you should control your reactions and accept the reality of being wrong. All your blustering protests do is demonstrate your paucity of character, they don't create a grounds for dispute.

      Abortion in the US is widely available and has been legal for forty years, so that argument also doesn't make sense.

      Like it or not, the evidence indicates that it's the case. I know you're desperately protesting, but the very vacuousness of your reply demonstrates how fundamentally false your position is.

      You can't even have a rational argument with someone who is pro-choice without become abusive and hostile.

      No, you're a troll, oolorie, and that's entirely your own fault. Is it really surprising that people recognize your fallacious style of argumentation even if they don't know of you admitting to your behavior?

      Fundamentally, people are reacting to your deliberately obnoxiousness, and that's because your choice of method has a consequence.

      I know it's going to be hard for you to admit, but people are going to be repulsed by your lack of integrity. It's too obvious. The evidence doesn't lie. Your pustulence is just too odious.

    131. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that somebody opted to mod this up by one means somebody agrees with it. It explains so much of what's wrong with this world. Because you sir, are a bigot. Why? Because, who defines whats stupid? You I presume? Because I view of a lot of what you post as quite stupid.

      The world needs more civility, and you've got an entire post dedicated to why civility shouldn't be bothered with. You sir should spend some time contemplating the phrase "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".

    132. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they would just give fathers more rights, without infringing on the rights of women then we'd all be a lot better off.

    133. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing, it's a symptom of primary issue: Blaming the victim rather than trying to solve a problem.

    134. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like being anti-electronics because Microsoft sucks.

      Incorrect. It's connected with concrete policy positions like, "should farmers be allowed to label food 'non-GMO'?" The corporate position is that these claims imply the non-GMO food is safer, which is not evidence-based, so it's misleading and shouldn't be allowed on the package. Regardless of whether you think that's a good enough reason to regulate speech, forget that as it's not related to GP's argument. If you allowed that claim to prevail you wouldn't be able to boycott the industry you consider unethical because you wouldn't be able to find their food in the store amidst the others. Furthermore, labelling rules affect how food gets mixed together, like corn -> corn syrup -> brownies. With forbidden labelling, the corporations could sell their seed around a boycott by trickling it through other premade foods.

    135. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You all love to pretend that there was a Democrat and Republican switch up at some point, but there never was. Truth is the Democrats found out they can leech votes if they keep telling all of the minorities and niche groups that they're being destroyed and the only people that can help them is Democrats. You gave no real evidence, you simply called the other person an idiot for not believing the same thing you believe. Grow up.

    136. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much food you are eating has parts of human DNA in it?

      All of it, apart form the fava beans and the chianti.

      Well, thanks to GMO you can't be sure about that.

    137. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *we have a winner!*

    138. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My impression of US politics is that one side finds out "Hey, we now only appeal to 45% of the population... what swing voters can we flip?"

      Or "what can we do to lose the South for a generation".

    139. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why pick GMO? for all technologies there are companies with questionable motives, at least monsanto is feeding the hungry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice) and pushing to use less land for an ever growing population, we don't have the option of being picky. Also look into the fear mongering techniques used by the anti GMO movement, they are pretty despicable as well.

    140. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how the blind like to call other blind (I see my irony). You take the word of a man making profit off saying bad things without knowing how it works. You dont think any of the scientists would become whistle blowers? seriously, please, look at both sides and ask yourself honestly if what he says actually makes sense

    141. Re: They must go nuts by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, no, and NO, what part of "writing budget proposals" has to do with describing when people should get a blood transfusion? Spoiler: None

    142. Re: They must go nuts by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      This is the way Congress works, if the anti-abortion people get uppity and start calling in to AM talk radio, their congresscritter will hear it and oppose whatever it is. Using the wrong words in a budget proposal is exactly what will cause low-information voters to understand if they should be upset or not. They don't have a deeper understanding to lean on; which words are used and how emotive they are is very important.

    143. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're like the morons who think the NAZI's were socialists just because that word was part of their name.

      Hitler was a socialist - but a special kind of socialist. He was quite proud of his knowledge of Marx - there are a number of quotes showing that. People are confused by the fact that the National Socialists were quite willing to kill other socialists, and wrongly conclude from this that the Nazis were not socialist. But Hitler differed from the other socialists in that his socialism had a race element (like many in that historical era, and perhaps even today). He wanted the Germans to be on top in the new socialist world order, which made him opposed to those socialists who wanted to tear everything down and start over - the socialist-anarchists - so Hitler was willing to work with the industrialists while subverting them to the benefit of the whole. This is why so many ordinary people supported him - they recognized in the practical core of his socialism something very different from the nonsense promoted by other socialists. Hitler was prepared to negotiate on matter where other socialists were rigid. As a result, the working class made up the bulk of Nazi support - but that support cut across the economic spectrum.

      Being practical about the implementation of socialism does not magically make one not a socialist.

      "Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one's fellow man's sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income" (i.e. wealth from inherited capital)
      Adolf Hitler - Speech in Munich, 1920.

      Further, Hitler's legal policies before the war were things the leftists today would find quite familiar. He spent large amounts of money to mitigate the effects of the great depression, greatly expanding Germany's social support network in the process.

      You're probably confused by the fact that many ignorant people today use the term socialist to describe a capitalist welfare state: from a economics perspective they are two very different things. You are also confused by the fact that somebody with Hitler's reputation could be patient, willing to work internal change in Germany slowly instead of trying the usual socialist-anarchist tactic of immediate destruction of everything in the name of progress.

    144. Re: They must go nuts by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In other words, Republican legislators are believed, by leading medical authorities, to be allergic to science and evidence.

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    145. Re:They must go nuts by meglon · · Score: 1

      Everyone is ignorant, stupidity is not wanting to know or learn. Preferring to live in a fantasy instead of reality is stupid, and stupid should never be acceptable.

      But you're right, my post does explain much of what's wrong with this world... people who prefer to be intentionally ignorant, and liars. Next up would probably be the people who want to anonymously defend intentionally stupid people and liars. Past that... rap and country music, although that may just be my opinion.

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    146. Re: They must go nuts by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Because medicine hasn't been a real science. It's contained a lot of folklore. Doctors had differing opinions about things that were not backed by real evidence, partly on the basis of their own experience. Evidence-based medicine is more or less scientific, and the goal is to get one generally right answer.

      For example, consider the constriction of certain arteries in the brain. Neurosurgeons were sure their new stent would be the right answer, and neurologists preferred medical means (like maximum statins and blood thinners). They conducted a test and found the medical approach gave about a 10% better three-year survival rate than the surgical approach. Hence, the medical approach is favored for most cases (some are exceptional). That's evidence-based medicine.

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    147. Re:They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So fast to blame you didn't look hard enough to see that it came from career people within the CDC as guidance to get budget approval. It seems you learned well how to mimic your bosses.

    148. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His stupid ass argument is that fucking causes pregnancy so if you don't want to be pregnant, don't fuck. It's an appeal to abstinance which is religious based.

    149. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're agreeing with OP that the parties of the olden days are NOT the same as parties of today. Gotcha.

    150. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey fucknut, my state has THREE abortion clinics for several million people. Abortion IS NOT "widely available". My state is not alone in this situation. Some have only one.

    151. Re: They must go nuts by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      As an American, Britain's government is simultaneously fascinating & terrifying.

      On one hand, it usually behaves with a professionalism & responsibility that we can only envy.

      On the other hand, Britain's government seems to be TERRIFYINGLY vulnerable to the legal equivalent of a multi-stage malware attack (with Parliament passing a sequence of innocent-looking laws that lay the groundwork for the vulnerability, then triggering their viral legal payload to fend off opponents by neutralizing any laws that might be used to fight them in court).

    152. Re: They must go nuts by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Nobody has ever suggested that you can't put "non-GMO" on a product. You're horribly confused. The "labeling" debate was about the quacks trying to force companies to label "GMO" products.

      Also no part of your comment in any way supports or justifies an anti-GMO position.

    153. Re: They must go nuts by meglon · · Score: 1
      Hitler was a national socialist, which has different goals than a socialist, but i do understand, this is the dog whistle that really stupid (i'm sorry, really really uneducated... and proud of it) conservatives use to try to play down the fact that NAZI-ism is a far-right position just like straight fascism.

      You're probably confused by the fact that many ignorant people today use the term socialist to describe a capitalist welfare state

      No, i'm not confused by social democracies, i'm confused by how someone can elect to be as stupid as whoever wrote your post. What doesn't surprise me is you had to post it anonymously so people wouldn't know which stupid person to mock.

      https://www.indy100.com/articl...

      https://www.snopes.com/2017/09...

      http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-...

      ...or you can check out pretty much any site that isn't run by partisan hacks for the right-wingers lying through their teeth (i'm sure not all are lying, some might simply be too fucking stupid). Better yet, we can do an experiment... you go down to one of these alt-right neo-nazi group meetings, and you yell out at all these guys that they're nothing but a bunch of left wing socialists.... and we'll see how that goes for you. And do remember when they're curbstomping what's left of your skull into the concrete.. if you'd filled your head with something other than lies and bullshit, you wouldn't be getting that shit kicked out of you.

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    154. Re: They must go nuts by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Both parties are volatile, fragile coalitions. In countries with proportional-representation parliamentary democracy, the coalitions are formed by elected officials after each election. In countries with first past the post elections (regardless of whether you call the resulting body a "congress" or "parliament"), you inevitably end up with 2 strong parties that shuffle back & forth, with a third group that occasionally coalesces into a stable third party, and the coalitions are effectively formed BEFORE the election.

      I really like that interpretation. Too bad you're an AC. It makes me wonder what the flaw in your statement is and who you are trying to troll. it also upsets me that a Russian like yourself has such a better grasp of US politics than most Americans.

    155. Re: They must go nuts by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 1

      >Fact: Jim Crow was a Democrat.

      Fact: "Voter ID" is a nice way to say Jim Crow.
      Fact: "Voter ID" is being pushed by Republicans.

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    156. Re: They must go nuts by meglon · · Score: 1

      If a woman opposes abortion, then fine, she doesn't have to have one. It's her choice. What it shouldn't be, however, is a little ratfuck piece of shit like you having a say over what the women who choose an abortion, for whatever reason they choose it, can or can't do. Get it through your empty little head: women are not property. I get it, your mommy probably regrets not having one when you came along, but try not to be such a hateful little shithead. Seriously though, why is it you are so scared of women making their own choices? Why is it you hate for other people to have constitutional rights?

      Why don't you post with your name instead of being a fucking little bitch anon coward.. have a little conviction, if you can figure out what that word means.

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    157. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it does. It's right there in copious links you not so mysteriously excised from your reply:

      Those "copious links" do not show what you claim they show.

      Except it does. Sorry, but the evidence already cited clearly shows that states with an adamant opposition to contraception and sex education are correlated with higher US pregnancy and abortion rates than the states that don't have such social policies.

      Correlation does not show causation.

      I know it's bothersome to you, that the actual evidence-based research indicates otherwise, but really, you should control your reactions and accept the reality of being wrong

      How about you learn some basic science and statistics.

      Fundamentally, people are reacting to your deliberately obnoxiousness, and that's because your choice of method has a consequence.

      You aren't "people", you are simply you. And you are an angry troll.

    158. Re: They must go nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey fucknut, my state has THREE abortion clinics for several million people. Abortion IS NOT "widely available". My state is not alone in this situation. Some have only one.

      Several million people amounts to around a million women of childbearing age. At a rate of 5 abortions per 1000 women aged 15-44 per year (a rate common in smaller states), that means there may be 5000 legal abortions in your state per year, or about 1700 per clinic. At 260 work days, that amounts to less than 7 abortions per workday per clinic. Seems like the number of clinics is proportional to your population. So your implication that women can't get abortions because there aren't enough clinics is b.s.

    159. Re: They must go nuts by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

      The only thing than a libtard is a is a self loathing one.

      Keep on cucking fool and enjoy the child I'm giving to your wife.

    160. Re: They must go nuts by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

      Do us all a favor and get back in the kitchen. No one likes a soycialist.
      You might also do yourself a favor and clip off that oversized clit of yours.

      Sure it might decrease sensitivity, but it's obvious you're an abomination of nature anyway.

  2. Not surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you hate science because it conflicts with your religious beliefs, you probably donâ(TM)t want people using it to justify stuff.

    1. Re:Not surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe in the religion of Linux, with the Gospels of Red Hat and Ubuntu and Debian, and the Prophet Torvalds.

    2. Re:Not surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work in a scientific field and I consider myself to be a religious person. I don't think this is inherently a conflict. I think what most people have a problem with is the behavior of some loud followers of the Abrahamic religions (specifically Christianity and Islam). I don't see Taoists, for example, or Hellenic Reconstructionists causing all these problems.

    3. Re:Not surprised... by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      If you hate science because it conflicts with your religious beliefs, you probably donâ(TM)t want people using it to justify stuff.

      That's why "faith based" is still permitted.

    4. Re:Not surprised... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      That's why "faith based" is still permitted.

      Maybe that's the workaround: describe everything like "bases its recommendations on science, not that faith-based bullshit, in consideration with scientific community standards".

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    5. Re: Not surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe not currently because of the very small minority, but the religion the âoeHellenic reconstructionistsâ are reconstructing was brutal, sacrificial, and not very open to other religions to say the least.

      Might makes right no matter what the religion is supposed to espouse.

    6. Re:Not surprised... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      What difference would the lack of technology make?

      Or do you seriously think that all religious people are incapable of both understanding or even developing their own technology?

      And building boats is not exactly rocket science. At best, your suggestion may achieve your desired ends for a few months.

    7. Re:Not surprised... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      At best, your suggestion may achieve your desired ends for a few months.

      I'm fairly certain that, absent the god-botherers, we could a shitload done in just a few months. I'll take it.

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    8. Re:Not surprised... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly certain that even without them, there is enough bureaucracy, greed, and even stupidity left over that there would be no perceptible difference.

    9. Re:Not surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can blame it square on the Protestants. That Martin Luther was a mean muthafucka!

    10. Re:Not surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an engineer, based simply on the number of mormons I work with, I'm guessing if you got rid of them, the tech world would slow down significantly.

    11. Re:Not surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must be fun being a warrior against imaginary enemies. Always have something to do. Nobody "hates science", science rarely conflicts with religious beliefs, and virtually every branch of science was founded by religious people.

      You have trite notions of causality and a thoroughly refuted (by Logical Positivism) conflation of science and reality. Which, well, it would take five minutes to reveal you as a lifelong willing idiot in your ADD dedication to a kindergarten-level scoping of "science", and "reality".

      So, according to science, which encompasses everything, who is the better group, Coldplay or Led Zeppelin? Demonstrate the correct answer scientifically. Nothing else exists, right?

  3. That's OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    China will.

  4. She's a witch! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to the Post's article, "Instead of 'science-based' or 'evidence-based,' the suggested phrase is 'CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes."

    So if the community standards and wishes means they prefer to rely on religion, superstition and other make-beliefs mumbo-jumbo, science has to stand aside?

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    1. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's how I read it too. I wonder why they don't just say that in plain language?

    2. Re:She's a witch! by KiloByte · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So if the community standards and wishes means they prefer to rely on religion, superstition and other make-beliefs mumbo-jumbo, science has to stand aside?

      Well yes, you have "gender studies" taught in schools. All that changes is which religion gets to get taught.

      My wild guess is for Christianity to have slowed scientific progress by ~1500 years. Leftist ideologies are much younger, but already have overtaken Christianity's death count (180M to 100M) -- but then, if you take together the sum of Abrahamic faiths, the race is about neck-to-neck.

      Flags and slogans change, sanctimonious self-righteous anti-scientific ideologies continue to rule.

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    3. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "gender studies" is not a religion.
      Leftist ideology is not a religion.

      FYI.

      AC

    4. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Except that it is only the Judaeo-Christian worldview of objective truth and beleif of a knowable universe that drove science. Not Islam with its capricious Allah, not the Eastern religions that argue that there is no objective truth, not tribal and pagan religions. Only Christianity and Judaism maintain that God created a material reality that was (1) separate from Him, and (2) knowable.

      Worldviews matter. You may disagree about the cross, but to argue that Christianity held science back is to ignore the very fact that it was this Christian worldview that drove the development of science as such (as opposed to alchemy and its ilk) in the first place.

    5. Re:She's a witch! by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "gender studies" is not a religion. Leftist ideology is not a religion.

      They merely don't identify as a religion.

      Let me tell you my biggest childhood formative moment. It was triggered by banner shapes.

      Communism in Poland fell when I was in early elementary school, yet I still got to be forced to attend a Labor Day parade. By then, even the threat was degraded (instead of "anyone missing without a valid excuse will be expelled from school" it was down to "will have semester's grade lowered") but we still had to go. Then, a few years later, there were Corpus Christi parades. By the letter of law not mandatory, but a kid who didn't attend still received strong verbal chew-out. Both parades looked the same: a guy blabbing something through loudspeakers, the public chanting slogans, dozens of people carrying banners of a specific shape. The very same shape, only the images and texts changed.

      Scripture? Check (works of Marx, Engels and Lenin). Clergy? Check. Rituals? Check. Portraits of prophets and saints everywhere? Check. Proselitysm? Check. Hatred for unbelievers? Big fat check.

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    6. Re:She's a witch! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      It works for California... After all, didn't we just have an article here at /. about cell phones and cancer and California, based upon wishful thinking/community standards?

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    7. Re: She's a witch! by Bartles · · Score: 0

      Then why has the majority of the technological advances that benefitted humanity come from nations with their roots in Christianity?

    8. Re:She's a witch! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Only Christianity and Judaism maintain that God created a material reality that was (1) separate from Him, and (2) knowable.

      LMAO. Trends come and go in all religions. The Islamic Golden Age was a time of amazing scientific and philosophical progress, but they gave it up. Catholics rejected science, then eventually came to embrace it. Protestants loved science, then modern evangelical sects came to despise it.

      I was raised Southern Baptist, but wholly abandoned it because of their insane insistence that reality was wrong. When a man tells you the sky is green and Jesus rode a dinosaur, it's awfully hard not to laugh at his opinions on anything else. Whatever else I might think about their organization, the Catholic church seems to be pretty good about science these days. I don't hear anything bad about the scientific beliefs of mainstream protestant groups (that is, ones that aren't American extremists). That said, Hindu and Taoist countries are doing lots of amazing science, and the OECD says that lots of barely religious countries are beating the US in science education.

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    9. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Witch hunts are very much alive in 2017. #metoo

    10. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, the extreme right is now in power in the US - which is a situation the extreme left has never had...

    11. Re:She's a witch! by pots · · Score: 0

      I am vary curious about this place where you grew up, where parades are dependent on both the economics of Poland and a town in Texas. Or was that some kind of "labor day is communist" thing? (it's not communist)

      Your list of what constitutes a religion is also pretty arbitrary. Is breakfast cereal a religion? Scripture? Check (I read the holy texts printed on the box every day). Clergy? Check (Pastor Crunch is a moving speaker). Rituals? Check. Portraits of prophets and dead saints? Check (undead counts, right?). Proselytism? Huge advertising budget. Hatred of unbelievers? Well. I'm willing to hate you if it means that you'll consider ideas based on merit instead of concocting excuses to dismiss them.

    12. Re: She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The English civil war (along with revolutions elsewhere) put paid to the link between religion and state, which then allowed for further industrial development, leading to the industrial revolution. Christianity has no direct cause to this, except to keep writing and education going in the days after the Roman Empire.

    13. Re: She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of two things. You've been indoctrinated with a cultural bias that your ignorance of the greater scope of the world's history of technological invention and a shocking inability to recognize how things are invented despite the entrenchment of anti-scientific dogma. See Tennesee v. Scopes, then go watch June Griffith on Youtube.

    14. Re: She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why has the majority of the technological advances that benefitted humanity come from nations with their roots in Christianity?

      I think the majority of technological advances that benefited humanity came before 0 (Examples include the fire, stone working, bronze working, iron working, pottery, masonry, cities, agriculture, astronomy, the wheel, currency, trade, ship building, roads, mathematics, laws, and philosophy).

      Then there are the ones discovered in heathen lands (like printing, the compass, and algebra).

      Then there are the ones discovered in nations that have had a long Christian history, but whose roots are decidedly non-Christian (e.g. the Nordic countries. One may argue that several other European nations (as in group of people) have their roots as pagans).

      So the correct question is:

      Then why has the majority of the technological advances that benefited humanity during the last five centuries come from nations with Christianity as their religion?

      This is easier to answer: The Mongols.

    15. Re:She's a witch! by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am vary curious about this place where you grew up, where parades are dependent on both the economics of Poland and a town in Texas. Or was that some kind of "labor day is communist" thing? (it's not communist)

      In Poland, International Worker's Day (May 1st) is known as "Labour Day." And the Polish People's Republic made full use of the propaganda opportunity.

      Corpus Christi is a Catholic Feast Day-- the Thursday of the 9th week after Easter. And it's a state holiday in Poland.

    16. Re: She's a witch! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Then why has the majority of the technological advances that benefitted humanity come from nations with their roots in Christianity?

      Because they had to come from somewhere. You may as well ask why the majority of technological advances came from countries where people have white skin, or from countries which descended from the Roman Empire. You're confusing correlation and causation.

    17. Re:She's a witch! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My wild guess is for Christianity to have slowed scientific progress by ~1500 years.

                During Christianity's existence, we have gone from the vast majority of the human population living at a subsistence level and using beasts of burden like they did for the previous 10,000 years, to creating economic systems that results in growing far more than enough food to feed everyone, raising the standard of living by orders of magnitude for virtually everyone, putting men on the moon, stamping out slavery and indentured servitude, wiping out most of the omnicidal maniacs that plagued humanity from the start of the agricultural revolution. The only remaining omnicidal maniacs left are those who actively see this tremendous advancement as a threat to their psychotic vision, which it is.

                So, tell me genius, the vast, vast majority of the founders of modern science were Christians, Newton and Descartes being particularly notable for their rather extreme views even in their day. Why is it that modern keyboard warriors who have accomplished *nearly nothing* in their lives aside from snarky comments about other people on the internet feel in any way qualified to pass judgement on the world's largest religion?

    18. Re:She's a witch! by arobatino · · Score: 2

      Leftist ideologies are much younger, but already have overtaken Christianity's death count (180M to 100M) -- but then, if you take together the sum of Abrahamic faiths, the race is about neck-to-neck.

      Shouldn't the death count be measured as a percentage of population? Otherwise, reducing the death rate is penalized.

    19. Re:She's a witch! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      I would not call those countries 'barely religious', particular not Spain, Portugal and Greece. AFAIK scandinavia is quite religious still, no idea about Finland and Estonia in particular, though.
      Germany is mainly atheist, but many atheists join church rituals out of habit, e.g. marriages, baptizings etc.

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    20. Re: She's a witch! by Bartles · · Score: 1

      No. It's not confusing correlation with causation. That's a stupid cliche used to avoid making an argument. Theres been a 500 year trend of advancement coming from Christian western societies. 500 years of correlation is not a random coincidence.

    21. Re: She's a witch! by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Theres been a 500 year trend of advancement coming from Christian western societies. 500 years of correlation is not a random coincidence.

      There's been a 500 year trend of non-advancement coming from nations where most people have black skin. I guess that's not random coincidence either, eh?

      I love that you started off by saying that you're not confusing correlation with causation, and then went on to demonstrate that you're doing exactly that.

    22. Re:She's a witch! by pots · · Score: 1

      Oh, neat. I did do a quick search for Corpus Christi, in case there was some meaning I hadn't heard of, but I didn't find that. Probably should have looked harder.

      I get it now. I guess. Maybe they do parades differently in Poland, but around here parades are all virtually the same, with minor differences in theme.

    23. Re: She's a witch! by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Nations where the majority have black skin don't have a 1000 year history of Christianity. Your point is ridiculously off base.

    24. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      everything is known to cause cancer in california

    25. Re:She's a witch! by hey! · · Score: 1

      In a word, yes. In a democracy, public opinion doesn't change facts, but it sure as hell changes policy.

      The contempt people have for politicians is both self-serving and ultimately self-defeating. The real problem is *us*. If we were better people, we'd have better politicians. That's the single biggest drawback to democracy: voters suck.

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    26. Re: She's a witch! by c6gunner · · Score: 0

      Ah, so clearly having black skin causes people to not be Christians. 1,000 years of correlation can't be a coincidence!

    27. Re: She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, like Arabian mathematics (with roots in Babylonian and Egyptian math) that progressed while Christianity indulged in the Dark Ages and people were burnt at the stake for claiming the Earth revolved around the Sun?

    28. Re:She's a witch! by hey! · · Score: 1

      Which is just another way of saying they represent opinions.

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    29. Re: She's a witch! by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Lol, wut?

    30. Re: She's a witch! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      That was actually my reaction to your previous comment, but I thought I would have one more try at explaining correlation vs causation to you.

      Apparently the effort was wasted.

    31. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scripture? Check (works of Marx, Engels and Lenin). Clergy? Check. Rituals? Check. Portraits of prophets and saints everywhere? Check. Proselitysm? Check. Hatred for unbelievers? Big fat check.

      God(s)? Bzzt. Heaven / hell, afterlife, reincarnation? Not so much. Supernatural beings who actually care? Nope. Sorry, dude. Not religions.

      FYI.
      OP AC

    32. Re:She's a witch! by Megol · · Score: 1

      I could point out a lot of illogical things here but choose one thing: you obviously don't know what leftism is, not even the use of the word in the US.

    33. Re: She's a witch! by tepples · · Score: 1

      You're confusing correlation and causation.

      Then what is the common cause of the two observations?

    34. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I like how it's labeled "Islamic Golden Age". They went out and conquered a bunch of lands, and basically took over ownership of the progress that was going on in those lands, and for the next few centuries slowly snuffed that progress out. #thanksislam

    35. Re: She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. You just failed to read the court documents.

      It's fine, nobody expected you to do so anyway.

    36. Re:She's a witch! by Megol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No religion also have common definition(s) and this is obviously not a proper use of the term. Stop making up things and use the right words, you are on a technology orientated website and _should_ know the value in proper use of terms when communicating.

      So you don't like gender studies. Okay. What makes that a religion rather than a science-based thing (coupled with philosophy in many cases)?
      You can go about it and say the studies that have been made are weak, done in the wrong manner, have biases etc. and that would be proper. But there are studies done. Some may be wrong (I don't care and have not read any so have no idea) but that doesn't make it religion.
      You may not agree with some of the philosophy and again criticism would be proper - however not making the field into a religion.

      But the "standard" of expression of genders etc. isn't fixed either in local history or as seen globally. That means the field is a proper one to study and reason about.
      Personally I don't give a crap - people can feel think and act as they want as long as they behave respectfully towards others.

    37. Re:She's a witch! by Megol · · Score: 1

      This isn't relevant and you should know that.

    38. Re:She's a witch! by Megol · · Score: 1

      From wikipedia:
      Norway: 22% believes in a god.
      Sweden: 18% believes in a god.
      Denmark: 28%.

      Finland: 33% (optional)

      The numbers are higher if including spiritual beliefs. There are many scientific oriented atheists that call some part of their world-view spiritual so hard to see it as religion as such.

    39. Re: She's a witch! by Megol · · Score: 1

      Because that idea is wrong and well documented wrong. Learn some history.

    40. Re: She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we have a new slashdot troll boys.

      Check c6gunners history, he just shitposts and argues with anyone he can.

    41. Re:She's a witch! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'd love to get a big fat check. Where do I sign up?

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    42. Re:She's a witch! by pots · · Score: 1

      Which isn't relevant, and why should I know that?

      My post was not actually about breakfast cereal, you understand.

    43. Re: She's a witch! by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Thanks for a valuable reminder comrade.

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    44. Re:She's a witch! by eddeye · · Score: 1

      They merely don't identify as a religion. Scripture? Check (works of Marx, Engels and Lenin). Clergy? Check. Rituals? Check. Portraits of prophets and saints everywhere? Check. Proselitysm? Check. Hatred for unbelievers? Big fat check.

      That's zealotry not religion. Many religions have zealotry. So does politics (right wing as much as left). So does technology (Apple vs Android, Windows vs Linux, etc).

      Religion is set of beliefs about life and often the afterlife. That's it. Nothing more required. Just because some asshats use it to shove conformity down your throats doesn't mean everything shoved down your throat is religion. Intolerance is a fundamental problem across all human endeavors.

      Words mean things. Learn to use them properly so you don't sound like an idiot.

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    45. Re: She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In astronomy, 60% of stars with proper names have Arabic names.

      Christianity didn't and doesn't have a lock on science.

    46. Re: She's a witch! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      You tell me.

    47. Re:She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you brought up that "gender studies" bugaboo shows your true colors despite your detached thinker airs.

      There are no "gender studies" taught in schools. Some people naively tried to open the children's minds to quite interesting perspective about how someone's identity and consciousness comes into being instead of blocking them in some metaphysical idiocy like "men and women are inherently different" or "things are the way they are because God made them so".

      That happened in France, some years ago. Religious scum (both Catholics and Muslims) immediately latched into it and turned the "gender studies" phrase (unstranslated from English) into a trigger for right-wing mass hysteria. From there it spread like wildfire through Eastern Europe, up to the point that parents were severly scolded by relatives when they let toddler girls play with car models or boys with dolls. The social consensus over here is that homo- and transsexuality are taught, and that there is a Soros-backed agenda to promote them. Of course, the irony of pretending that gender identity is both definingly immutable and at the same time highly fluid (to the point that a boy could be transformed into a girl by propaganda in media or in school) is completely lost.

    48. Re:She's a witch! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      People there are still quite religious, but it has less effect on their politics than in the US.

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    49. Re:She's a witch! by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      Trends come and go in all religions

      Most religions outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition do not posit creation at all. The universe is said to be eternal, without beginning or purpose, and never having been created, it has no creator. From this view, the universe is a supreme mystery, inconsistent, unpredictable, and perhaps arbitrary. For those holding this view, the only paths to wisdom are meditation or inspiration - there being nothing to reason about. But if the universe was created in accord with rational rules by a perfect, rational creator, then it ought to yield its secrets to reason and observation. Hence, the scientific truism that nature is a book ment to be read.

      As for the Greeks, many of them also regarded the universe as eternal and uncreated - Aristotle condemned the idea "that the universe came into being at some point in time... as unthinkable" Indeed, none of the traditional Greek gods would have been capable of such a creation. But, worst of all, the Greeks insisted on turning the cosmos, and inanimate objects more generally, into living things. Consequently, they attributed many natural phenomena to motives, not to inanimate forces. Thus, according to Aristotle, heavenly bodies moved in circles because of their affection for doing so, and objects fall to the ground "because of their innate love for the centre of the world."

      As for Islam, the orthodox conception of Allah is hostile to the scientific quest. There is no suggestion in the Quar'an that Allah set his creation into motion and then let it run. Rather, it is assumed that he often intrudes into the world and changes things as it pleases him. Thus, through the centuries, many of the most influential Muslim scholars have held that all efforts to formulate natural laws are blasphemy in that they would seem to deny Allah's freedom to act.

      Catholics rejected science, then eventually came to embrace it.

      Would you elaborate? Is this a reference to the Dark Ages or Galileo?

      The Islamic Golden Age [wikipedia.org] was a time of amazing scientific and philosophical progress, but they gave it up

      With respect to progress doubly so for Europe. Education, Art, Science, Architecture, Music, Farming, Astronomy there were massive advancements.

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    50. Re: She's a witch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, so clearly having black skin causes people to not be Christians. 1,000 years of correlation can't be a coincidence!

      Ah, I see!

      Religion and genetics are spread in a correlated way. For example, people breed with others who look like themselves, then spread their religion to those others, so you have "Black denominations" within Christianity inside the US, even though most Black people wouldn't use denomination as a reason someone couldn't marry their daughter. People marry within their religion, so Jews still have recognizable genetic markers. It looks like Christianity is causing progress, but in fact it's just entangled with genetics that code for high IQ, conscientiousness, organised violence, inclination to plan families around nurturing resources, or some other set of traits that's competitive at producing the form of progress we recognise today (or at suppressing it in others globally somehow (wars, banking tricks, etc.)). But genetics are on the causal chain while religion is just correlated with it---that is your claim?

      This claim seems like semi-good use of statistical inference, but less good at integrating useful stereotypes into a just-so story that could spawn hypotheses. You've left too much out.

        - navel-gazing questions: what is "progress"? our impression seems clouded by preoccupation with power, but I am not the only one less than unilaterally satisfied by what we've achieved considering the storytelling urge people have to escape into the past. Lists of achievements like "penicillin" and "Bach," the usual way this gets settled, is a sort of cherry-picking that risks missing the point.

        - hidden assumptions: it is something about people themselves that causes wealth/power. It's not something that emerges from structures of people (history) in a more complex way than simple inertia. This is really the controversial part of the discussion, and you're silently settling it on one side---it's only about the people themselves plus inertia---then shifting the argument to details.

        - proximate causes. You do not propose any. Even if we guess at some, correlation vs. causation is not black and white when the effect is an aggregate and the proposed "causes" are multiple and ill-defined like "conscientiousness." I could imagine a hypothetical smoking gun, like around the "family planning" proposed cause, a single allele that adds an influence to when one feels like reproducing, but I think it more likely the causes are a fog.

    51. Re: She's a witch! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I enjoyed your comment, but you really need to fix your sarcasm detector.

    52. Re: She's a witch! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Theres been a 500 year trend of advancement coming from Christian western societies.

      And, before that, over a millennium of a serious lack of scientific advancement, while the Arab world and China made some major developments. Once science caught on, it was adopted by people of every religion without compromising their beliefs. Since we had science arise only once (it nearly did in Greek times), attributing some sort of inherent superiority to where it started is really iffy.

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  5. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you are making a scientific report and are saying "science based," you're doing it wrong.
     
    I'd rather let them slip in stupid monickers and trendster terms like "science based" and "evidence based" to allow the writers to make fools of themselves.

    1. Re:So what? by hey! · · Score: 1

      If you are making a scientific report and are saying "science based," you're doing it wrong.

      You seem to have no idea why the term is needed. It is needed because science isn't the only guide people have to behavior. It's not even the only legitimate guide. There's personal experience. There's tradition. There's cultural norms.

      You can easily see this in how medical practices vary from country to country; culture plays a huge part. In France wine is sometimes prescribed by doctors. Is there any point? In Germany physicians often prescribe traditional herbal medicines alongside regular drugs. Do any of those treatments help or hurt? In the US physicians order more tests much more aggressively than doctors in other parts of the world. Does that do any good?

      You need evidence-based approaches to answer those questions. While uniformly across western medicine there is an ideology of science-based treatment, some of it is more "science-y" than "science-based". By which I mean many practices are emotionally impressive rather than justified by their outcomes (e.g. more tests, robotic surgery in some cases).

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  6. In others words, a Christian Taliban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Authorized clerics have the final say on what is true and proper in our society.

  7. Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Making America Great Again!

  8. Work-around by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since "fetus" is banned, they will now use "small Trump-like being" in its place. Hand size is about right, also.

    1. Re:Work-around by DogDude · · Score: 2, Funny

      That doesn't quite work. A fetus is usually something a woman wants in her ladyparts.

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    2. Re: Work-around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go get a fetus and ask ladies to stick it up their vagina. I donâ(TM)t think youâ(TM)ll get any takers.

    3. Re: Work-around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      whoosh

      No, not every woman wants a fetus in their womb. But I bet the set of women that would tolerate that is greater than the set that would tolerate Twitler's hands in the vicinity.

    4. Re:Work-around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't work. In the womb a fetus has potential for growth and development.

  9. Re:In others words, a Christian Daesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Authorized clerics have the final say on what is true and proper in our society.

    FTFY

  10. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Think Bill Nye will have enough time to be outraged? He's got sex chromosomes to deny and ice cream to turn bisexual. SCIENCE!

    1. Re:Heh by Hal_Porter · · Score: 0, Troll

      Back in 1996 Bill Nye was saying, correctly, that sex is determined by chromosomes

      http://thefederalist.com/2017/...

      By 2017 he was teaming up with Rachel Bloom for this masterpiece about gender fluidity

      https://genius.com/Rachel-bloo...

      The 1996 chromosomes was removed from the version of the show on Netflix, who claim it was delivered that way by Buena Vista. Basically it wasn't politically incorrect to say that sex is determined by chromosomes then, but it is now.

      http://freebeacon.com/culture/...

      A segment saying that chromosomes determine one's gender on an episode of the educational children's show "Bill Nye the Science guy," is cut out on the Netflix version.

      Netflix did not edit Bill Nye The Science Guy. The series was delivered that way by Buena Vista TV, according to a Netflix spokesperson.

      In the original episode, titled "Probability," a young woman told viewers, "I'm a girl. Could have just as easily been a boy, though, because the probability of becoming a girl is always 1 in 2."

      "See, inside each of our cells are these things called chromosomes, and they control whether we become a boy or a girl, " the young woman continued. "See, there are only two possibilities: XX, a girl, or XY, a boy."

      But in the version of the episode uploaded to Netflix, the segment has been cut entirely. While noncontroversial at the time, the 1996 segment appears to contradict Netflix's new series "Bill Nye Saves the World."

      The new show endorses a socially liberal understanding of gender, under which gender is defined by self-identification rather than genetics and there are more than just the two traditional genders.

      Other science that liberals want removed from TV and the Internet includes race differences in mean IQ or indeed anything, or anything that casts doubt on the catastrophist view of global warming.

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    2. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're confusing sex and gender. Sex is determined by chromosomes, gender is a social construct and can be fluid in some individuals.

    3. Re: Heh by Bartles · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, when applied to living things gender is synonymous to sex. It's only in the last decade or so that the left has subverted and destroyed the meaning of yet another word to advance it's idiotic socio-political goals.

    4. Re: Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we live in a post truth world, so why canâ(TM)t we redefine anything we want... Ergo, Politicians are not lying when their lips move, itâ(TM)s us that needs a bit of re-education.

      That and these attempts at re-defining reality never end well.

    5. Re:Heh by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Q: How do I know when my gender fluid needs changing?

      A: When the tranny starts to make an irritating noise.

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  11. The summary contradicts itself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is obviously partisan hyperbole.
    A.) There is no "ban".
    B.) The summary itself states the reason for the guideline is to make passage of legislation easier to get past Republicans in congress.

    The idiots on the left and the right will believe just about anything if it makes the other side look evil. Meanwhile the rest of us are getting caught in the middle and will ultimately have to pay the price for their partisan moral grandstanding.

    1. Re:The summary contradicts itself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The character assassination campaign keeps marching on.

    2. Re:The summary contradicts itself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, then the solution isn't to disallow certain words. The solution is to get rid of the Republicans in Congress.

    3. Re:The summary contradicts itself. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      [quoteblock]The summary itself states the reason for the guideline is to make passage of legislation easier to get past Republicans in congress. ...
      The idiots on the left and the right will believe just about anything if it makes the other side look evil.[/quoteblock]

      So you're saying that if this isn't an attempt at suppressing phrases by Republicans, but instead a suggestion (presumably from non-Republicans) to avoid using those words because they're going to trigger a predictable response from enough Republicans to be a problem... yeah, evil Republicans.

      Either way, the Republicans are definitely the bad guys in this case.

  12. Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So where are the Slashdot editors...

      Where they've always been, komrade. Anyone who's been here for more than three minutes knows that /. editors don't fact check. Or spell check.

    2. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...has forbidden the Centers for Disease Control from using seven terms in certain documents...

      Quick, give me a single context in which it makes sense for CDC to avoid the words "science-based" or "evidence-based".

      Time's up. I know that wasn't long, but I thought I'd save you the wasted effort of spending more than 2 seconds looking for something that doesn't exist. If the CD-freaking-C writes "For science-based work" in the memo field of your paycheck, it's appropriate because that's the whole reason they exist.

      Any restrictions on this are nothing but political posturing. That Slashdot, WaPo, NYT, or any other group would be calling it out doesn't mean they're wrong.

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    3. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and if you bother reading more than the summary, you'll find out that IT ISN'T EVEN A MANDATE.
       
        Slashdot: Passing off he said-she said hearsay as news since 2016.

    4. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by PoopJuggler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Call it whatever you want, it's still an officially sanctioned endorsement of double-speak at a scientific health department at the top level of the government. That should fucking worry you.

    5. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 0

      I don't know if the original news is true (hard to know these days), but assuming things happened exactly as reported, #nofilter (which is fairly unlikely), let me be the devil's advocate and give you a context: "evidence-based reasoning suggests that trans fats are not as bad as has been previously thought." If you have to emphasize that your line of deductive reasoning is "science-based" is a little bit like North Korea having to emphasize that it's a Democratic People's Republic.

      That said, I think banning words is idiotic, if the report is true.

    6. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had already thought that everything that Trump go started with "Once upon a time there was a handsome president with a bigly IQ and beautiful daughter...."

    7. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by mbkennel · · Score: 1

      > Quick, give me a single context in which it makes sense for CDC to avoid the words "science-based" or "evidence-based".

      This is precisely the context of the article and the motivation.

      The point is that CDC using words like that will jeopardize funding from a Republican Congress in 2018 and they want to avoid doing so.

    8. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      This mandate is taken out of context.

      Is it? Because it sounds like a foundation that on its own website has the word "Science" written immediately under "About CDC" was being told to not use the word science-based in certain documents.

    9. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      As has slashdot.

      Sure, but this is a relatively large-scale crowdsourced operation. It takes a peculiarly twisted individual to spew that much BS all by himself. It's so bad that it has become a newsworthy rarity for a significant truth to come out of that corner.

      Think of it, most people willfully avoid being caught spewing patently wrong information in public for reasons such as dignity, self-esteem, standing with others,...

    10. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you that for a scientist talking to another scientist, calling some finding "science-based" when that's obvious is so pointless as to provoke questions about the integrity of the work. However, when refuting a claim made by someone's astrologer, that same person calling that same thing "science-based" is quite appropriate.

    11. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call it whatever you want, it's still an officially sanctioned endorsement of double-speak at a scientific health department at the top level of the government. That should fucking worry you.

      If you weren't worried long before we got to this point, well you may want to change the channel.

      Some of this was seen in Babylon 5 link in 1995.

      Of course that would hardly be the first time fiction became reality, even on this topic...

    12. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prepare to be modded down for this insolent comment, FOOL.
       
      Here's some nonworking goatse link to drill home the point.

    13. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Simply put, it's "politically correct," a concept that the Pussy Grabber promised to eradicate.

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    14. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by ratpick · · Score: 1

      Using "science based" and "evidence based" is lazy at best, and passive voiced phrases masquerading as science and evidence at worst. The terms "science based" or "evidence based" are unnecessary if one refers to the science and evidence directly instead of churning out mindless fluff that assumes the arguments it's supposed to be making.

    15. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should worry you? What about all the science speak that is used to put children on speed, to cause the heroin epidemic with giving narcotics out to everyone, putting elderly and everyone on anti-psychotics, etc. Anything to make a buck. Science is used to commit fraud, routinely. Just because something is "Science" Based doesn't mean it's right.

      Stop being hysterical. There's a different president. He's going to try some different things. We can go back to our nation being run by George Soros in 4 or 8 years and all the brainwashed left-wing radicals can be happy watching Fake News and CNN or whatever, and demanding we have no borders and skyrocket our electricity bill so billionaires can make more money. It's not that long of a wait. Calm down.

    16. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      science-based research predicts more Americans will vote Democratic in 2020.

    17. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its really only appropriate in a summary like "and you-know-who refuted the astrologer's claim with scientific evidence", not in the refutation itself.

    18. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by laird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not just changing the words, it's changing the meaning. They are saying that decisions can't be 'science-based' or 'evidence-based,' but instead must be 'based on science in consideration with community standards and wishes." It's a way to force the CDC to do things (like perhaps denying global climate change, pretending lots of people aren't dying from gunshots, etc.) because saying those things would upset some "wishes".

      More than anything, this reminds me of the batshit crazy way the USSR politicized science, forcing people to do do insane things because they were ideologically correct, enforced by not just defunding research, but eventually imprisoning and executing thousands of scientists. This led to crop failures and famine, among other horrors, and of course derailed Russia science (and to a lesser degree, Chinese science) for decades. Details at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .

    19. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trotsky-ite Demorats infiltrated CDC & NIH & EPA etc. pimping "science-based" terminology for pure political/agenda ansatz. Abortion-on-demand , AGW and affirmative action being three prominent examples. Trump slapped them down ... and continues slapping them down hard. Resistance creates targets bitch! If the yeomanry is required to patrol the nations 3-letr agencies and smash-face agitprop-spewing molish progressive sluts so be it. Locked-N-loaded bitch.

    20. Re: Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trotsky-ite Demorats infiltrated CDC & NIH & EPA etc. pimping "science-based" terminology for pure political/agenda ansatz. Abortion-on-demand , AGW and affirmative action being three prominent examples. Trump slapped them down ... and continues slapping them down hard. Resistance creates targets bitch! If the yeomanry is required to patrol the nations 3-letr agencies and smash-face agitprop-spewing molish progressive sluts so be it. Locked-N-loaded bitch.

      You are insane.

    21. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by MxMatrix · · Score: 1

      ... hey do you know the black plague? and the medieval times in Europe medical knowledge? its the usa future.

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    22. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I'll bite -

      Saying a regulatory decision or suggestion is "science-based" or "evidence-based" means nothing. It is an attempt to lend said decision or suggestion scientific credibility, and how dare you question my decision or suggestion when it is so clearly backed by science and evidence even though I don't tell you how!

      On the other hand, listing _specific_ evidence as justification for a decision or suggestion accomplishes what I imagine you would consider to be a "science-based" argument and fulfills the administrations direction.

    23. Re:Mentally unstable people run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What science is that? We haven't seen a single-term president since Bush senior, the incumbent has the advantage in most elections, and even now there's a significant portion of voters still in Trump's pocket willing to support his lunacy through thick and thin (and would probably be fine with their corpses being used to vote for him after the coming nuclear war). That, or Democrats will be so thoroughly mind-fucked after 3 more years of this rollercoaster of madness that they'll either switch sides to make the pain stop or die of aneurysms.

  13. Is "superstition-based"... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Are "superstition-based", "cult recommended", or "not superstition based" permitted?

  14. less and more than meets the eye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First a careful reading to the end of the WAPO article shows it's a bit of a headline. There's no written ban. There were some edits to a document. And while I've not seen the sentences edited I could easily believe that a phrase like "Evidence based" is highly redundant in a sentence citing some policy of fact. I could easily believe that some use of the word "Vulnerable" might be drawing a conclusion rather than citing a case.

    Furthermore the other words one the so-called "ban", were conveyed in word anonymously not in a policy document. SO this is a bit thin.

    THe end of the article reveals this:
    Kelly told the analysts that “certain words” in the CDC’s budget drafts were being sent back to the agency for correction. Three words that had been flagged in these drafts were “vulnerable,” “entitlement” and “diversity.” Kelly told the group the ban on the other words had been conveyed verbally.

    However, I will admit this is chilling. I've seen this happen in other scientific publications where words like "evolution" or "fossil fuel" are removed when they are entirely appropriate. So I'm quite concerned the WAPO is completely correct in it's seemingly unders ourced claim. It could very well be happening. I'm just not sure it wasnt' just some single idiots doing rather than top-down policy

  15. wtf by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the fuck does "community standards and wishes" have to do with scientific evidence.

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    1. Re:wtf by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      What the fuck does "community standards and wishes" have to do with scientific evidence.

      It doesn't; they're in opposition to each other. For instance, if religious morons insist that the world is ~6,000 years old, science (aka "facts") isn't allowed to contradict that. Or global warming. Or anything else inconvenient to the non-thinking small-minded.

    2. Re:wtf by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's codespeak for 'popular oppinion.'

      If scientific evidence says that telling teenagers not to have sex doesn't actually work while condoms generally do, but popular opinion says that telling teenagers how to use a condom promotes sin and will send them all to burn in Hell, then both views are now given equal validity in the decision-making process.

    3. Re:wtf by hey! · · Score: 2

      Weighing politics as well as evidence in policy is nothing new. As Otto von Bismarck remarked, “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best”. Evidence leads you to what the best policy would be; community standards limit what you can actually achieve.

      What's unusual about the present is that we live in an age which uniquely devalues expertise. Fifty years ago expertise was arguably fetishized; but today people view it as just another opinion. And never before have we been so able to wrap ourselves in such an impervious blanket of social reinforcement when it comes to our opinions.

      This makes "evidence" threatening, whether it bears on vaccines causing autism or anthropogenic climate change -- this is *not* an exclusively right-wing phenomenon. Someone claiming to have "evidence" claims a privileged position from which he can contradict what you "know" to be true.

      Most people seem to be jumping to conclusions on this story, fitting it into what they "know" about Trump -- and they may be right. But sticking more closely to the facts, what we have here is a contemporary list of political dirty words. It's obvious why "fetus", "entitlement", "diversity" and "transgender" are on the list, but what's novel is that "science" and "evidence" are also seen as controversial.

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    4. Re:wtf by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We should condemn both these actions and the state of California for FUD, but for different reasons. California is just trying to self-perpetuate, the Trump administration is trying to alter facts.

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    5. Re:wtf by Kohath · · Score: 1

      What the fuck does "community standards and wishes" have to do with scientific evidence.

      Community standards and wishes are what government exists to serve. If a community wants to form a government to act as the community wishes, science has zero authority over what the community decides.

      Scientific evidence is just information. It has no vote and no authority.

    6. Re:wtf by derdesh · · Score: 1

      Your .sig says "Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy." Exactly like the original. Understanding that souls are not a thing is a step on the path to Enlightenment.

    7. Re:wtf by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised I think. Many like to think that science exists in a vacuum and is totally empirical, clinical, and devoid of all humanity. It isn't.

      I used to have to explain this geological map to people who would assume that everything in it was sacrosanct. However at the core it is based on survey's, by different people, over many decades, using different methods, much of which had to do with what communities were around at the time, and how easy the terrain was to access (i.e. roads etc...), and much of it came from water drilling core sampling, and the types of deposits that were identified and categorized were ones of what they were looking for at the time, and were interested in, and things like ease of access both in location, and in strata would have impacts on how it was prioritized, etc... More than just a bunch of numbers and figures on a map. It is all about data and how it is collected. Most of what most people call scientific method is how that data is interpreted, however it is the data itself at the core which is more fundamental to it's potential use.

      That said, it is important to look at what we call things and in what context. It was only a few months ago there was the big stories about people using some pretty specific "scientific" wording in regards to admissibility of "bite mark" , "hair analysis" and other sorts of "evidence"... we we now all know what a complete load of unscientific garbage.

      Not totally defending Trump, as what he is likely doing is just ideological partisan BS to pander to his base, but it is good to review what we call things in the scientific community from now and again. At the very least this likely ill conceived idea will force people to take a longer stronger critical look and be forced to defend their assertions that it should be called something, which isn't all a bad thing (as Trump will eventually be gone... we assume anyway).

    8. Re:wtf by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Absolutely nothing, friend, absolutely nothing at all.
      Trump isn't about truth or justice, he's a narcissistic 5-year old who thinks being POTUS is equivalent to being crowned King, he thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants, facts don't matter, truth sure as hell doesn't matter, logic and reason don't matter, only what Donny wants, and nobody better contradict him or he'll throw a hissy-fit like the 5-year old egotist he is inside, and he'll have your head chopped off. He has to be stopped, one way or another, before he finishes dragging the U.S. back a hundred years (or more). Mueller needs to step it up, be sure he gets it right, and gets this orange-headed embarassment out of office, and into a jail cell.

  16. Convenient omission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "in official documents being prepared for next year’s budget"

  17. Draining the swamp, and MAGA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's becoming clearer and clearer that Twitler's plan all along was to be so fucking bad that the Dems and Undeclared voters will be highly motivated to turn out and vote in the next elections. Base in point: Alambama's recent special election.

    And when that happens, you can bet your bottom dollar he'll actually try to claim credit for it.

    In the mean time Madame Defarge is keeping track of all the nazis who have been supporting him.

  18. And yet... by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Go into any big office or typical start up and say that someone does not change gender by identifying as another gender (including "non-binary" genders) or going through a "transition" and you'll be treated far worse than this.

    Because it's bigotry to say that gender dysphoria is a mental illness wherein the brain does not recognize the material truth represented in one's genetic code and post-puberty sexual characteristics.

    1. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's also what people thought, back in the 1950s, before anyone had actually looked at the phenomenon, and discovered that it appeared to be a real thing - very unlike delusional illnesses in prevalence, mechanism, associated illnesses etc.

      Just to fill you in, human development is complex and genetic codes influence but do not define the phenotype. An awful lot happens during foetal development - mother's hormonal levels, presence of androgenic or anti-androgenic or oestrogenic chemicals all have an effect at various times.

      I think it counts as bigotry to cling on to an archaic, uninformed model when it is used to rationalize the speaker's general opinions. Is that the case in your situation? Sounds to me like you're an "armchair psychologist" - unencumbered by actual experience, learning or awareness of the literature... would I be right?

    2. Re:And yet... by DogDude · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It costs you nothing to refer to somebody with the words they prefer. Just shut the fuck up and stop being such an asshole to other people.

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    3. Re:And yet... by Orgasmatron · · Score: 3, Informative

      In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

      Theodore Dalrymple

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    4. Re:And yet... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      So if I decide to say I'm a doctor and dress as one, I get to perform surgeries? Or if that mental hospital inmate tells you he's Napoleon Bonaparte, should he get to rule France?

      Call a spade a spade. Appeasing delusions of someone with working long-term memory is never the right thing to do.

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    5. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asshole = you. You know the difference already. doctor, engineer...people's lives depend on their qualifications. Calling someone a male or female doesn't.

      Gender identity is largely a result of gender bigotry in society. If someone likes to dress up in "female" clothes and act "female" and want to be called female how does that harm anyone in the work place? I mean, are you going to argue that there is a difference between "natural" radiation and "artificial" radiation too?

      Gender identity != physical gender

      If you want to be an asshole that forces people into gender roles then so be it.

    6. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It costs you nothing to refer to somebody with the words they prefer.

      It costs you your freedom. You may consider that worth nothing, but I do not.

    7. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confusing biological gender ( note, this isn't as straightforward as male/female either), gender role/identity, and being a straight up asshole like yourself.

    8. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this really your defence?

      FOR GOODNESS SAKE

    9. Re:And yet... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      So if I decide to say I'm a doctor and dress as one, I get to perform surgeries?

      It's very telling that you equate someone wishing to change gender (a personal decision) with doing harm to other people. I guess you feel the need to dictate to others so strongly that the idea of people not conforming to your world view feels harmful to you.

      Or if that mental hospital inmate tells you he's Napoleon Bonaparte, should he get to rule France?

      Can he manage to rule france without harming anyone?

      Appeasing delusions of someone with working long-term memory is never the right thing to do.

      If you insist on calling them delusions, then why not?

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    10. Re: And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if I identify with an Alien species, can I argue to have that species included on census forms? Before you jump on me, I do actually feel this way.

    11. Re:And yet... by Megol · · Score: 1

      So not only are you racist but an idiot.

    12. Re:And yet... by Megol · · Score: 1

      Some people do research. Some post ignorant shit they just made up on /.

      I believe the people that do research.

    13. Re:And yet... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      So not only are you racist but an idiot.

      Please look up the word "racist" in a dictionary. It would be also nice if you looked up "idiot", and researched cases when use of this word in a discussion is appropriate.

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    14. Re:And yet... by DogDude · · Score: 1

      No, douchebag, that's not what I said at all. Try reading again. I don't know why you insist on being such an insufferable asshole to other people that have no bearing on yourself. You must have a tough life.

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    15. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to be an asshole that forces people into gender roles then so be it.

      Seems the asshole is the one who is requiring others to bend to their will.

  19. KISS by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes.

    I'm sure that's the same community that would wish for Pi to be 3.0 to make life easier...

  20. Use God too by AndyKron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And when asking Republicans for budget money use the word "God" a lot. They like God. Finding a Bible verse to back you up is pure gold.

    1. Re:Use God too by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That is why I like to mock people by asking: which god?
      And if they say 'my god' to often or even 'Oh My God!' I reintroduce myself: 'Just Angelo, for you just Angelo'.

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    2. Re:Use God too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything.

    3. Re:Use God too by derdesh · · Score: 1

      Obviously "God" means Your god. The one *You* believe in. What else could it mean? That's sarcasm, for the humor impaired.

  21. Dolts by rnturn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Science does not care about your "community standards", your religious viewpoints, or any other fantasies you believe in this week.

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    1. Re:Dolts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Science does not care about your "community standards", your religious viewpoints, or any other fantasies you believe in this week.

      Unless the science contradicts progressive dogma, in which case faith starts to trump science as well. The Republicans don't have a monopoly on approved thinking.

      Both sides need a reality check in the form of a hard brain-kick.

    2. Re:Dolts by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      But "community standards", your religious viewpoints, or any other fantasies you believe in this week can indeed affect reality, since a good portion of our human-scale reality is political.

      For instance, any social issue where a solid statistical analysis shows that you can reduce a problem with something that goes against people's gut feelings. Abortion and birth control access would be the first two I'd suspect the right would go after. Crime and punishment would be a close second. In both cases we have good evidence that the emotional response is counterproductive to a happier society, and the people having the strongest emotional responses... don't care.

      Now you have a government that is saying it doesn't either.

    3. Re:Dolts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people keep talking about science, reality, etc in this thread? This is a policy decision. If you this new mission for the CDC isn't what you want to pay taxes for, perhaps you should vote.

    4. Re:Dolts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science does not care about your "community standards", your religious viewpoints, or any other fantasies you believe in this week.

      Science cares about funding for experimental validation and publication. Funding depends on community standards and religious viewpoints and any other fantasies of decision makers.

      That's why voting fuckwits into office is bad for science.

    5. Re:Dolts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think everyone can agree that they don't want their money spent on stuff they don't agree with. However, they often also agree that government programs they agree with should get more funding. Yet no one seems to want to subject their funding to a vote. This is the "flaw" in democracy and why we have a republic, yet when on the losing side of and issue the first cry is that it is "undemocratic"... Uh Duh...

  22. Well, it right up the lefts alley. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It must be feelings based.

  23. It's important to know some context here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not defending this nonsense, just putting some context here.

    Often times the whitehouse or other agencies will identify politically charged phrases to avoid within proposals. I've never been part of the process myself but many scientific organizations do this to "help the chances of your proposal being accepted". Of course, as the Trump administration is apt to do, they bungled this as well.

    I swear most of these people seems to have gotten their degrees "online" with how they perform.

  24. Banned words on Slashdot by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I've gotten the list of words that will be banned on Slashdot in 2018:

    - cryptocurrency
    - malware
    - systemd
    - unicode
    - diversity
    - indochimp
    - Russia
    - artificial intelligence

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    1. Re:Banned words on Slashdot by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      also:

      - virtual reality - net neutrality - drone - hackers - ecosystem

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    2. Re:Banned words on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      diversity unless poster eq 'theodp'

      ftfy

    3. Re:Banned words on Slashdot by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yesss.

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  25. Irony is decomposing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is coming from the politically incorrect administration.
    Then again, they already use "politically incorrect" in place of "sexist" and "racist".

  26. Something Odd by Shogun37 · · Score: 1

    I've noticed, over the time I've been active on this site. In areas of technology and science, it's possible to get some real good information. In ANY circumstance where the story is about how people interact, especially politics, it rapidly devolves to kindergarden-level arguments. If this site is supposed to represent the best and brightest, we're screwed.

    1. Re:Something Odd by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      If this site is supposed to represent the best and brightest, we're screwed.

      We're not screwed then.

      Edit: Just before hitting the submit button I realised I committed a logical fallacy, namely assuming (P implies Q) implies (not P implies not Q). In fact, we might be screwed but it is not because Slashdot represents the best and brightest, which is clearly a false premise.

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    2. Re:Something Odd by Shogun37 · · Score: 1

      I do apologize, I left off the sarcasm sign./s Thank you for reminding me, you insensitive clod!

  27. Obligatory Feynman by Rollgunner · · Score: 1

    "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

    1. Re:Obligatory Feynman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, for successful technology. But what about successful something else?

      Suppose you wanted to transform the mission of the CDC from fighting disease to making the president feel good. Might this not be a reasonable way to accomplish the goal?

    2. Re:Obligatory Feynman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course Feynman also said that scientists have the duty to be extra honest.

      I'm talking about a specific, extra type of integrity that is not lying, but bending over backwards to show how you are maybe wrong, that you ought to have when acting as a scientist.

      I don't think that quality appears enough in the politicization of science today...

  28. Dystopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we heading for a world somewhere between George Orwell's 1984 and Thomas Disch's 'On Wings of Song'?

  29. In other words, "PC ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    " Instead of 'science-based' or 'evidence-based ,' the suggested phrase is 'CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes."

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    1. Re:In other words, "PC ... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      The problem with that replacement phrase is that it is a literal implementation of a policy of 'feelz over realz'.

      "In consideration with community standards and wishes" translates to, "if we don't like the results of the scientific process, we'll override them".

    2. Re:In other words, "PC ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't read the whole list, but this one that everyone is raging about actually sounds like an admission that scientific studies are influenced by the experimenters and funders.

      Seeing how stupid many who "believe in science" are, a little admission of fallibility would be a vast improvement.

  30. The list is bad but "science-based" sucks by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I think the list is a stupid idea, especially not using the word "fetus" in an environment where you may be talking about Zika for example...

    But here's the thing - why complain specifically about "science-based" when the replacement is "science"? "Science-based" is a terrible word, the most waffly term ever. You could argue an e-meter is "science-based" because it relies on conductivity of wiring. I hate the term so much if they had just banned that word, I think I might actually support the list...

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    1. Re:The list is bad but "science-based" sucks by Leuf · · Score: 1

      The replacement isn't "science" it's "science in consideration with community standards and wishes". "Science-based" implies that science is the only consideration. The replacement implies that the science is only to be used when it backs up what the people in charge wanted to do in the first place.

    2. Re:The list is bad but "science-based" sucks by hey! · · Score: 1

      "Science-based" means something different than science when used as an adjective. Consider:

      (1) Science policy -- principles which govern your support of science;

      vs.

      (2) Science-based policy -- positions on *anything* which are chosen because of scientific evidence.

      An example of science policy would be favoring fundamental over applied research -- as did the Reagan administration. They did this for ideological reasons (which doesn't make the reasons *bad*): they thought the government shouldn't do anything the private sector might be interested in doing. An example of science-based policy would be to not underwrite flood insurance that allows rebuilding in areas threatened by floodplain expansion. It's not that science says you should or shouldn't pay to have the same house rebuilt over and over again; it just tells you that if you don't want to do that you have to draw lines somewhere.

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  31. All Fetus are Babies by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 0, Troll

    And yet a fetus is a baby, just still in the womb. If you remove the baby from the womb, it is still a baby, thus all fetus are babies, but according to the pro baby killers, fetus are not babies and that distinction in language has made the murder of millions of babies easier to get away with by calling them fetus, parasites and blobs of tissue instead of what they are, babies.

    100 years from now abortion will be viewed as we today view slavery, with horror and disbelief that a civilized society could condone and legalize the murder of their own children for the sake of convenience. Savages and the ancient world did this, but our society is no better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Babies in the womb are genetically distinct, living humans, who while being dependent on their mothers for nutrients and protection, meet every criteria of a living organism and while a blastocist 20 days after fertilization is clearly not a baby, at 10 weeks (prior to 99% plus of all abortions, excepting the morning after pill, which has the same effect of preventing implantation as most birth control pills and clearly does not kill a baby) the baby is clearly identifiable as such by any 6 year old. https://www.babycenter.com/ims... Regardless of how anyone feels emotionally about this issue, unless you can refute the above, abortion is demonstrably the murder of a baby. Unless you start defining personhood by location, intelligence, ability, method of feeding, or some other arbitrary factor, the personhood of the unborn baby is undeniable.

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    1. Re:All Fetus are Babies by meglon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No.

      Murder is legal definition, and until recently had never been applied to fetus... and the only reason it is now, in a few places, is because conservative con artists prey on the lack of intelligence of religious extremists and idiots like you to get into office, so they blur the line between your bullshit fantasy and reality... EXACTLY as this article points out they're doing now.

      If you want to see the cause of many more abortions, look at the worthless cocksuckers refusing to teach sex ed to teens so they can make better choices, and making contraceptives even harder to get so unwanted pregnancies can be avoided. Those are the worthless fucking baby killers... cunts like you.

      So, what we've shown is you know nothing about science, and nothing about the law... you're completely fucking worthless in this conversation.

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    2. Re:All Fetus are Babies by dryeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's easy to tell the people who don't want abortions happening, they try to prevent them through education, making birth control available and empowering women to say no.
      Then we have the average right winger who really wants to dominate women, keep them ignorant, impregnate them as early as possible, throw a big guilt trip on them to make them go through with the pregnancy and then put them down for being a single mother.
      You're right, the repression of women will be compared to slavery, just not for the bullshit reasons that you give.

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    3. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If you remove the baby from the womb, it is still a baby

      wrong, you will have a dead piece of flesh.

    4. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And yet a fetus is a baby, just still in the womb. If you remove the baby from the womb, it is still a baby, thus all fetus are babies, but according to the pro baby killers, fetus are not babies and that distinction in language has made the murder of millions of babies easier to get away with by calling them fetus, parasites and blobs of tissue instead of what they are, babies.

      100 years from now abortion will be viewed as we today view slavery, with horror and disbelief that a civilized society could condone and legalize the murder of their own children for the sake of convenience.

      You are aware that quite consistently the abortion rates are lowest in non-conservative countries like the Netherlands where the legal and social barriers against abortion are lower that in countries like the U.S.?

      Treating women as breeding cattle not permitted to control their own body results in less rather than more responsible behavior. Puritans have much higher abortion rates than atheists. Your ways don't work. And upping the punishment for being a woman doesn't work.

    5. Re: All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, dude, but the real horror is ignoring anything except the coercive mandate to keep your forced baby factories in line. Even the snowflakes insisting we bring every clump of cells to full development is merely inane in comparison.

      We've tried making birth control and condoms available, to give women the choice to get pregnant or not, but despite a century of effectiveness the mendacity of the right still continues to spread. They're the onea fixated on their misrepresenting the real situation as they succumb to a false self-righteousness that blemishes the whole discussion.

      Like six year olds, they are so subject to errant thought and lack of ability to engage in rationale discussion that their participation in matters of import is a hindrance. Except they shoud be able to recognize their criminal behavior so we cannot dismiss their responsibility.

      Besides, you can't actually stop abortions, there are simply too many means to induce them.

    6. Re:All Fetus are Babies by quonset · · Score: 1

      And yet a fetus is a baby, just still in the womb.

      Where for nine months a woman can legally poison that "baby" through smoking, excessive drinking and drug use, not to mention cause it to have deformities by the woman being obese.

      Where are the laws fining women for poisoning their "baby" while in the womb? Why isn't the religious right up in arms women can poison their "baby" without repercussions? Where are the laws forcing women to undergo twice monthly exams to verify they aren't poisoning their "baby"?

      They're nowhere because people like you are hypocrites. You want to tell a woman what she can do with her body, claiming it's for the "child's" protection, yet don't bat an eye while she poisons her "baby" because that would be too intrusive.

      If the idea is that a fetus is a living person then there is no excuse for not making it illegal to poison that "baby" while in the womb. Either put up or shut up.

    7. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > And yet a fetus is a baby, just still in the womb.

      This is not reflected by the legal or medical definitions. Merriam's Dictionary publishes this:

      * Definition of fetus
      * an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically
      * a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth — compare embryo 1b

      Note, in particular, that "fetus" may not mean a human baby. This has medical and legal distinctions.

    8. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      There are some such laws. Tennesse, for example, has laws specifically targeting pregnant women for illegal drug use while pregnant. The purpose seems to be to provide grounds for getting the mother off the streets and into treatment or a controlled environment where the illegal drugs are not available. The damage to a fetus can be very real, and the state is claiming a strong interest in preventing a child being ill and requiring extensive social and medical support from birth.

    9. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Puritans have much higher abortion rates than atheists. Your ways don't work. And upping the punishment for being a woman doesn't work."
      On the plus side, the conversatard crowd made it possible for horny teen boys to talk girls wanting to "stay pure" into anal sex much more easily.
      If I could do over my teen years, I'd be the most-bible-thumping zit-faced zealot offering to "pray" with impressionable Christian girls & encouraging them to think outside the "box"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    10. Re:All Fetus are Babies by mbkennel · · Score: 1

      > Either put up or shut up.

      Don't forget to add 9 more months of Social Security and Medicare.

      The set of their arguments and actions are incoherent nonsense, unless you understand the core single truth: they know an unwanted child in an unsuitable family situation is intensely undesirable---the purpose is to punish women for sex. That one supposition explains nearly all the observations.

    11. Re:All Fetus are Babies by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Note the first four words of my post: I was not advocating the position myself, I was only stating how the situation might be viewed by someone of that alignment.

    12. Re:All Fetus are Babies by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Wow, dehumanizing language and homophobic slurs. Why does anyone listen to bigoted freaks like the parent poster? Why's this abusive post modded up? Shame, Slashdot.

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    13. Re: All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wasn't replying to you I don't think.

    14. Re:All Fetus are Babies by meglon · · Score: 1

      Yah know DNS, you've been a whiny little bitch every time i've posted anything for weeks now... ever since it was pointed out to you that your notion that the "lefts" only goal is to destroy this country is so full of shit it's the only thing keeping your ears apart. How about you grow up and quit being a little hypocrite. You hate having to be politically correct, and then you whine like a whipped bitch when people "just tell it like it is" with opinions you don't agree with.... so, fuck off if you can't grow up. You treat people like shit, eventually that's going to come back to you...quit fucking whining about it, hypocrite.

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    15. Re: All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you can prove that a fetus removed from the womb after ten weeks can survive on its own without artificial means, that does NOT count as an independent organism. If it did, every miscarriage would be murder.

    16. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very emotional, but please refrain from using the C word. It is a poor choice to use it in your argument and remain validated.

    17. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse, it's not even an accurate use of the word. The people refusing to teach sex ed have probably never given fellatio in their life.

    18. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! Thank you for that. It was cathartic.

    19. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Argues that it's not a medical definition. Goes to a dictionary instead of a proper human embryology reference.......

    20. Re:All Fetus are Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Murder is legal definition,...

      Kind of a chicken and egg issue, whether the laws reflect the concept or the concept reflects the laws.

      In terms of the concept of murder, it's something along the lines of killing a person without a sufficiently good reason. Of course, people have all kinds of reasons for killing each other: soldiers in a time of war (this one can even win you awards), self defense, turning off life support in a hospital, accidents, armed robbery gone wrong, crimes of passion (man catches wife in bed with another man), and even serial killers who just enjoy killing. So "murder" is killing a person when you shouldn't. Of course, the definition of a person is also a continuum - there's full humans and then there are other species that are closely related to humans. And even for human organisms there are all different levels of being alive (aliveness is also a multidimensional continuum).

      So, anyway, even before you get into the abortion question, the concept of "murder" is quite complicated and uncertain.

    21. Re:All Fetus are Babies by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Quoting AC who said it well:

      "Argues that it's not a medical definition. Goes to a dictionary instead of a proper human embryology reference......."

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    22. Re:All Fetus are Babies by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      So you cite criminal behavior (child abuse in most states if the mother takes illicit drugs while pregnant) and think that is justification for an unborn baby not being a person?

      As stated by others, there are many laws that make it illegal for pregnant women to abuse their unborn child by using drugs etc.

      There is also plenty of judicial precedent for charging the mother with child abuse for such acts, but as with all crime, we punish the crime after it is committed, not before in our free society, which is why we don't have mandatory maternal monitoring...

      There are also laws and judicial precedent for charging anyone who commits homicide on a pregnant woman with two counts of homicide. If the unborn child is not a person, how would this be justified?

      How about you cite some actual, medical evidence for how a 20 week unborn baby is not a distinct person... "Put up or shut up?" Oh please, try and string together a few medical facts and some logic...

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    23. Re:All Fetus are Babies by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      > Either put up or shut up.

      Don't forget to add 9 more months of Social Security and Medicare.

      The set of their arguments and actions are incoherent nonsense, unless you understand the core single truth: they know an unwanted child in an unsuitable family situation is intensely undesirable---the purpose is to punish women for sex. That one supposition explains nearly all the observations.

      I honestly cannot see a single fact or piece of rational logic in this entire statement. I couldn't even figure out which side of the issue you were arguing for until the bit about punishing women for sex... Are you an idiot? Are you a space alien? Here on this planet we have a bunch of different contraceptives, including pills, condoms, morning after pills and the list goes on all of which do not stop a beating heart or terminate brain activity of distinct, unique human beings. I get that this debate is all emotion for many people, but the science is pretty clear if you are willing to look at it. Either way it has nothing to do with punishing women for sex, which can be safely had using contraceptives. It has to do with protecting an innocent human being who is currently in danger of being murdered because it's existence is inconvenient. There are thousands upon thousands of people waiting to adopt healthy babies, so the unwanted argument is not even legitimate. It is just inconvenient for the mother for about 7 months...

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    24. Re:All Fetus are Babies by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      LOL the sock puppet mods are out in force today +5 for that alt left drivel is laughable. From the last few months, it is clear that most of the real abuse of women happens on the far left, not the far right (Harvey Weinstein and 50:1 of the rest of the woman molesters were far left guys, not "right wingers"). Hell, Bill Clinton straight up raped several women and you elected him president twice where he sexually harassed an intern in the oval office... It is surprising to me how often the left projects their own shortcomings onto the right. Conservatives are not perfect, but the facts are what they are.

      Personal responsibility and morality have nothing to do with punishing women (or men for that matter) but are pre-requisites for a healthy society. All of this male hating alt left propaganda is going to backfire massively. Women in the US are on parity for men across the board socially (and in the work place once you control for hours worked, time off and job commitment). Compare that to the third world or the Muslim world and get yourself a reality check. The Judeo Christian philosophy, western civilization and chivalry have afforded modern women more freedom than any other force in history bar none and now you spit on it because you want the right to murder your children because it is inconvenient to have a baby. The fact that you hate the very institutions that have freed you and attribute repression of women to them is a sick joke.

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    25. Re:All Fetus are Babies by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      No.

      Murder is a moral definition that also happens to have a legal definition. The concept of murder far predates law (see Cain and Able), but the immorality of murder as a concept is fairly easy to grasp: the un-justified taking of another person's life. Killing someone because their life is inconvenient to you is clearly immoral, yet that is exactly what abortion on demand is. (We are not talking about the 0.1% of abortions that are performed to save the life of the mother, which most people don't have an issue with, because saving a life where two lives would be lost is justifiable morally, but the pro abortion crowd always trots out because that is literally all they have at this point, where babies are viable after about 22 weeks and science shows them to be a person at around 10 weeks.)

      Your devolution into an obscene ad homonym tirade only underscores your weak position with no actual facts to support it. You may want to try going for a walk, getting some fresh air and maybe a little perspective, I wouldn't want you to die of a heat attack from all the stress that your irrational beliefs are clearly causing.

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    26. Re:All Fetus are Babies by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Watch out DNS, I suspect that meglon is running some sock puppets to dish out his "social justice". Sad but apparently true.

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    27. Re:All Fetus are Babies by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So, it's OK to use homophobic slurs? Seriously? This sort of thing gets people fired from their jobs and it's acceptable to do it openly?

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  32. Fetus? by aglider · · Score: 1

    Fetus! Fetus! Fetus!
    Ban me now, Don!

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  33. He forgot by aglider · · Score: 1, Informative

    "Donald Trump's is an idiot"!

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    1. Re:He forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surprised he didn't add "russian" as well. I guess he assumed people would know in advance to avoid that.

      You people really need a way to test the quality of the people you let run for office.

    2. Re:He forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Donald Trump's is an idiot"!

      The people that voted for him are congenital idiots.
      And considering that's almost 40% of the American electorate it doesn't bode well for your country. You have a problem that cannot be fixed with the 2nd amendment.

    3. Re:He forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the original, the nomenclature was "fucking moron".

    4. Re:He forgot by aglider · · Score: 1

      40% of those who voted, maybe.

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  34. Don't want your religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your religious beliefs, made law, impinge upon my freedom. Why can't you live your own life, mind your own business, and leave the rest of us alone? You've already proved that you don't really believe what you espouse(voting for Roy, etc) so please don't force your so-called beliefs on the rest of us.

    1. Re: Don't want your religion by ooloorie · · Score: 0

      Social conservatives and anti-abortion foes hardly have a monopolly on impinging on peopleâ(TM)s freedoms. Your beliefs about social justice impinge upon my freedom. Your beliefs about who should pay for illegitimate children or the consequences of your gluttony also impinge upon my freedom.

      Democrats, Republicans, progressives, âoeliberalsâ, social conservatives, and religious conservatives are vying with each other about who can screw people who disagree with them the most; the only thing they disagree over is the specific oppressive policies they want to impose on others.

    2. Re:Don't want your religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Abolitionism was steeped in religious imagery. If you look at contemporary abolitionist pamphlets, you'll see they lean heavily on arguments about being good Christians - "what you do to the least of my brothers", etc.

      So what you say to a Southern slave owner who said "Your religious beliefs [about the humanity of blacks], made law, impinge upon my freedom [to own slaves]. Why can't you live your own life, mind your own business, and leave the rest of us alone [in our owning of slaves]?"

      Hopefully you can now understand why someone who rejects your premise (that fetuses aren't people) might disagree with your statement.

    3. Re:Don't want your religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right, don't let your religion get in the way of my freedom to end a life!

      Or maybe it's not as black and white as that...?

    4. Re:Don't want your religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Preventing me from making you live by my religious beliefs is an impingement of my religious freedom, I can not understand why you fail to grasp this obvious fact.

  35. It reminds me of a comedy bit by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    by George Carlin.

    The Seven words you can never say on television.

    Which fits, sadly, since our government has become one long never ending stream of stand up comedy :|

    1. Re:It reminds me of a comedy bit by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      by George Carlin.

      The Seven words you can never say on television.

      For those unfamiliar: Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television. You can Google "seven words carlin" to find clips and transcripts of the actual monologue.

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  36. You do know that Soviet style communism by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    isn't leftist, it's authoritarian/fascist. Look to the Scandinavian countries, France and when they're not taking after the USA Britain for leftist ideals.

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    1. Re:You do know that Soviet style communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cool the usual talking points rsilver. This is not even a no true scottsman. It's a concentrated effort to rewrite history such that leftism can absolve itself of all it's wrongdoing. Not even republicans do that.

      Leftism is often called "tyrrany of the majority" by academic scholars with very convincing evidence.

    2. Re:You do know that Soviet style communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah. like sweden. who just raised the retirement age to pay for their invaders...

      lol

    3. Re:You do know that Soviet style communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was reading about the early Weimar republic this weekend, and Lenin's oppression of various left wing groups and banning of strikes caused a rift with the SPD (liberal Marxist) party, which then led to the formation of the KPD (Communist) party in Germany. Note I am using the term liberal in its classical meaning as non authoritarian.

    4. Re:You do know that Soviet style communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tyranny of the majority" is a criticism of direct democracy, not "leftism". Leftism is practically the opposite of a tyranny of the majority, protecting minority groups is nearly a fundamental part of it.

    5. Re:You do know that Soviet style communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, that's sweet, you think the left can't be authoritarian/facist. I guess you're going to next argue that communism isn't really left. The sooner people like you figure out that authoritarian/facist are on a different axis from left/right the sooner you'll figure out that both the left and the right can both be facist assholes, and the sooner maybe we can start improving things. People like you who truly believe you can't be facists because you're on the left are the biggest problem we have today.

    6. Re:You do know that Soviet style communism by david_thornley · · Score: 0

      Communism is part of the authoritarian left. Considering left-wing ideology Communism is precisely as fair as considering general right-wing beliefs (even not including the alt-right) as fascism. There are authoritarian idiots on both sides. Western Europe is considerably more to the left than the US, but it isn't authoritarian.

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  37. Theocracy??? by stedlj · · Score: 1

    Trumps first steps towards a Theocracy!!

  38. Not religious by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    If you hate science because it conflicts with your religious beliefs...

    I don't think this has anything to do with religious belief. I think it is due to a dangerous mix of ignorance (partly willful and partly due to lack of intellectual capacity) and short-sighted financial self-interest. If Trump and co were capable of understanding science and were open-minded enough to realize that there is a lot of money to be made developing green technology they would be cheering science on, not desperately trying to hide and/or ignore the truth of it.

    1. Re:Not religious by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      If Trump and co were capable of understanding science and were open-minded enough to realize that there is a lot of money to be made developing green technology they would be cheering science on, not desperately trying to hide and/or ignore the truth of it

      Why ? Trump already used science to fool millions and win a Presidential Election. What is in it for Trump to cheer science now ?

      Are you trying to suggest Trump wants to make America great again ? If so, please provide evidence.

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  39. Thats the rule of the majority, for ya! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teeming masses of people are religious/superstitious.

    These people don't understand the word "science" as all-and-only that which relates to the scientific method. They don't understand why science has a better claim to truth than their superstition, and they never will. They react to scientific terminology when they hear it, because to them it is an attempt at stifling the truth.

    And they outnumber you. Hugely.

    This isn't a problem had by a few politicians. The religious voters demand politicians that will pander to their religious biases.

    You can't win this fight by explaining why science is objective. It doesn't matter how right you are. This isn't an honest intellectual analysis of how to determine truth from falsehood. This is the power of the lowest-common-denominator of human intelligence forcing the truth aside in favor of the superstitions that make them feel safe.

  40. Obviously to dumb it down for them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The GOP does not know words, the best words.

  41. If abortions become illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fucking morons that don't want the word fetus used do not understand is that making abortions illegal will increase the number performed. There are options available, readily available outside the U.S., that would make it simple to set up an illegal service & charge much less that is currently charged. Abortion drugs are already being used in many places, like Texas, where it's nearly impossible to get an abortion.

    FUCKING UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE NOW? Make it illegal & it will become easier to get one. It was easy to get one when it was illegal in states before row-v-wade & it will be quite a bit easier if you outlaw safe abortions today. You want less abortions? Me too. Avoiding unwanted pregnancy is the how it's done. If you wanna spread your "morality" go right ahead. As long as we also make birth control easily obtained.

  42. This is a great idea by slshdtisctrldbysjws · · Score: 1

    It should be applied to everyone in the government.
    It might force them to make a rational argument instead of appealing to their own authority.

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  43. Christianity largely responsible for science by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    My wild guess is for Christianity to have slowed scientific progress by ~1500 years.

    Really? Back in the day science was a product of Christianity. The belief that nature was all ruled and ordered by god lead various clergy to look for that order which in turn lead to the development of science. Many early scientists held religious positions since, unless they were from a wealthy family, this was the only way to get the education and the time and support required to be able to perform their studies.

    For example, Oxford and Cambridge dons were all originally clergy and when they retired they took up positions as vicars around the UK. Bacon, who gave us the very idea of the scientific method, was a staunch Christian and Newton even wasted time trying to figure out the date of the rapture from the bible (IIRC he came up with 2060 so we haven't got too long to wait! ;-).

    Christianity may have restricted and held back some areas of science in the past but let's not forget that its overall impact on science has been such a positive one that it is not even clear that we would have a modern concept of science without it. The conflict between religion and science in modern times is fuelled by an ignorance of both and seems to be primarily a US-based phenomenon although it is sadly starting to spread.

    1. Re:Christianity largely responsible for science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christianity was the de facto standard. Just because people pursued science despite their environment doesn't mean christianity had anything to do with it, they would have anyways regardless of the dominant superstition.

    2. Re:Christianity largely responsible for science by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      I agree with your point that Christianity at the time was a de facto standard and everyone pretty much had to be Christian on the surface in order to function. However, this does not explain why, out of all the myriad religions in the world at the time, did only Christianity foster the development of science?

      Technologically Europe was behind both the Muslim and Chinese and yet not only leapt past them but did so spectacularly that they have only just caught up recently. It's hard to believe that the education, free exchange of ideas and work ethic that Christianity enabled and encouraged had nothing to do with this.

    3. Re:Christianity largely responsible for science by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Science was developed once. There's no reason to think it had to be in Europe or in any Christian area, just that it happened there.

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  44. Missed two by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Does that mean we will be allowed to start using 'emacs' and 'vi' again?

    1. Re:Missed two by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Does that mean we will be allowed to start using 'emacs' and 'vi' again?

      Yes, but only as the punchline to a joke.

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    2. Re:Missed two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So like this?

      Emacs and Vim walk into a bar. The bartender tries to quit.

      Knock, knock. Whoâ(TM)s there? vi. vi who? vi arenâ(TM)t you using emacs!?

      How do you generate a random string? Put a Windows user in front of vi and tell them to exit.

      Thank you, thank you. My joke process is now terminating, but since was written in Java it'll be here all night.
      Be sure to C-x M-c M-Tip your waitress.

  45. The Seven Dirty Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He baby! How about using the word 'terrorist' to dehumanise and criminalise people (esp. foreigners and muslims) who oppose the United States?

    "community standards and wishes". You mean the President's wishes and prejudices? Maybe the 'Scientific American' magazine should be renamed the 'Communist Republican'?

    Some seven years ago I asked a British colleague which are the seven words the English language considers dirty in order to avoid them, but now I know his answer was less than thruthful.

  46. Yes there is a reason by mbkennel · · Score: 1

    It is the de-Christianization of the Renaissance, followed by the more clearly anti-clerical Enlightenment philosophy of Europe. These philosophies were unique in the world. Europe was the wealthiest region at the time, and Isaac Newton was English. Newton is to my mind the most important human ever to have lived.

    1. Re: Yes there is a reason by Bartles · · Score: 1

      What is "it"? Your are confusing dechristianization of government with dechristianization of society and culture.

  47. Oh, I see... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    "a few suggested that the proposal was not so much a ban on words but recommendations to avoid some language to ease the path toward budget approval by Republicans."

    Might I also suggest:

    - Ample usage of drawings and kindergarten level explainers - McDonald's Happy Meal style;
    - "It's in the Bible";
    - "It was reported on Fox and Friends", "there was an article on Breitbart about it";
    - Some choice quotations from Mein Kampf, Charles Davenport, Paul Popenoe and Henry Goddard;
    - Other choice quotations from Schopenhauer's "On Women";
    - Eliminating everything that might be miscontrued as "the reds" aka socialism, or liberalism;
    - Concluding the analysis with "Wake up sheeple!", "give up we won", "MAGA", etc.

  48. Trump is against political correctness by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

    Oops, forgot the sarcasm tag

  49. WTF? What you do is, you leave! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... his imploding ball of cancer and insanity called "Murica".

    I cannot be saved. There is no point either, since it is much more efficient, to just take the good bits with you, let the bad bits implode, and come back later, to reclaim the land, when the radiation and toxic waste have worn off.

  50. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Science has too much of a liberal bias. How many more examples of biased science do we need? Global warming? Evolution? Smoking causes "cancer"? Leaded gasoline being "bad"? Hoax after hoax after hoax has done nothing but discredit science and scientists who demand to impose their liberal agenda on the rest of us.

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. I did not know that "liberal" was a synonym for "intelligent" or "sane" until you so adeptly pointed it out.

  51. No, you just moved further left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I agree with you that authoritarianism is the main problem, both Communism and Socialism were always leftist political groups. The fact that people today have moved even further left, making everything but what they believe "rightist" does not change the fact that most leftist experiments with Communism and the like have devolved into dictatorships. It generally fails when you run out of other people's money to spend.

    The reason is simple and economical. Norway is able to sell oil (as did Venezuela for a time) to provide for all its people. They were also smart enough to invest the money rather than relying only on oil, which along with corruption, led to the collapse of Venezuela. The other experiments simply decided to rob the rich and turned out about like you'd expect, failing when they destroyed their own means of income while blaming other countries for not surrendering their goods for worthless paper from a country with nothing they wish to buy.

    Norway too will collapse ,should it mismanage its investments and run out of oil. Hopefully they're smarter than that, but no doubt should it happen, those like you will then blame whatever evil bankers decided not to give them money for nothing and the cycle will repeat. Future leftists will say that their problem was being too rightist, I mean, they made investments and had deals with banks. Surely those are the issue and not the fact that they no longer produced anything of worth to others. Only by going further left into the realm where nobody has to do anything but plunder the work of others can we find utopia!

  52. Welcome to the Dark Ages Take 2 by jerry33 · · Score: 1

    It took 800 years to recover from the last Dark Age. It should take much longer this time.

  53. You can't just waive a Scottsman around by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Troll

    every time somebody lies. Stalin and Mao where not Communists. Not even a little. At no point did they relinquish power to the proletariat. At no point was actual ownership given to the proles. They just traded one aristocracy for another.

    Also, while we're on the subject of logical fallacies nice appeal to authority.

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    1. Re:You can't just waive a Scottsman around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are less educated than you sound. An appeal to authority is only a fallacy when the person being appealed to does not have legitimate authority.

      Given that scholars spend their lives studying their subject, we should defer to their expertise in the same way that people should defer to professional scientists when talking about science or medical doctors when talking about healthcare.

      What is with bringing up scottsman. I already said your reasoning was so bad it did not even measure up to that ignoble standard.

  54. People forget the extent of Venezuela's poverty by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    when they point to them as a failing of socialism. Venezuela is a country that lived through nearly two hundreds years of abject poverty. Then for a very brief time had the resources to function as a first word country. It's a testament to their government's decency that they didn't just pocket all the money for themselves like most do. What I'm saying is that it's unreasonable to expect them to solve decades and decades of systemic poverty with 20-30 years of usually high oil profits.

    And you're completely missing my original point: What we call communism isn't. It's authoritarianism that borrows communist rhetoric. Kinda like those preachers who buy private jets with the money they fleece out of people. They're not really men of God. People _can_ lie. They can misrepresent themselves. Dr Nick Riviera is not, in fact, a Doctor. In the same vein Stalin and Mao weren't communists. They were basically kings who seized the thrown with violence.

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    1. Re:People forget the extent of Venezuela's poverty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What we call liberal isn't. It's authoritarianism that borrows liberal rhetoric.

      Leftism today is a push away from tolerance, liberalism, democracy, and the greater good in favor of hard social norms, reduction in self-determination, "individualism" when it's approved by the state, deference to authority, and putting the well being of people that do not contribute ahead of ourselves or our own families.

    2. Re:People forget the extent of Venezuela's poverty by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Rightism today is a push away from tolerance, liberalism, democracy, and the greater good in favor of hard social norms (Protestant Christianity, etc.), reduction in self-determination (by allowing corporations to do as whey will), "individualism" when approved by the state (generally when it's making money), deference to authority (as long as the authority is right-wing, such as a Republican politician in power or an evangelical pastor). Neither side puts the welfare of those who do not contribute ahead of those who do. Leftists do want to help people contribute, while rightists tend to Social Darwinism.

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  55. 1984 by Thanatiel · · Score: 1

    Censorship.
    Suppression of words.
    Forbidden ideas.
    That's where the USA are going.

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  56. Opposite Day again I see by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    "Science-based" implies that science is the only consideration.

    What? It implies exactly the OPPOSITE, It implies something that is based PARTLY on science, but not wholly or it would be "science" not "science-based".

    Only it doesn't say how much it is based on science, but when you heard marketing terms like "science-based" you know the actual science involved will be very thin to non-existent.

    The replacement term is also kind of wishy-washy but at least it does not hide what is going on the way the term "science-based" does. However like I said, the list is a stupid idea and the replacements are also stupid. I am not arguing for any aspect of the list, just saying that the revelation they would regularly use the term "science-based" is disturbing on the face of it.

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  57. Easy to solve! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just spell it out - like f-e-t-u-s. See?

    We use this with our kids all the time. She didn't get her nap, so she's v-u-l-n-e-r-a-b-l-e. They don't understand a word, I guarantee you, it works.

  58. the intent of the ban is known by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    The extent and intent of the âoebanâ is known: itâ(TM)s about the budget proposal. Using terms like âoefetusâ or âoetransgenderâ or âoescience-basedâ is going to cause pushback from conservative representatives in Congress, and since these are in the majority now, if Trump wants his budget passed, he wants to avoid those kinds of controversies. Given a Republican majority in both houses, that is what an administration has to do. If Hillary were president, sheâ(TM)d have to do the same thing if she didnâ(TM)t want her budget sent back to her.

  59. Would it help to denumber the dead accounts? by shanen · · Score: 0

    Just joking. At this point I'm convinced nothing can help Slashdot and the dead accounts represent the most reasonable people. Why hang around to watch the system continue dying?

    I really had high hopes for this topic. High activity and target rich for humor, but not a SINGLE visible comment moderated as funny. The first "insightful" comment was an AC comment that didn't even make sense (though it had been heavily moderated into visibility). When I opened the Parent to get the context, there was a bit more meat underneath, but it had been heavily moderated downward (presumably by the usual suspects AKA trolls).

    If Slashdot didn't have so many #1 problems, then the broken moderation would be one of them.

    Oh yeah. Where did the subject come from? From noticing that the hidden-by-moderation context was from a 4-digit ID AKA an oldtimer (unless it's just another dormant account that's been hacked by another you-know-who). As a lowly 6-digit ID, I've gotten to wondering where I would be if they started shuffling things around with the dormant accounts getting high user numbers and the people above them getting an option to slide down to the more "prestigious" low numbers... I suspect the number of active users of Slashdot these years is less than 10,000, so all of them could have 4-digit IDs if they wanted them.

    Me? I'd prefer a prime ID number. Mathematical superstition?

    Oh yeah. What about the story? Well, if we can't use any of the words the story is about, then we can't talk about that story anyway. All heil Herr #PresidentTweety! Zdravsvtvuyte, Comrade! (Why does Slashdot reject the Cyrillic form? Unicode violation?)

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  60. Leftists have very, very little power by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    By leftists you really mean radical feminists. Aside from occasionally making you take a dumb gen Ed class they have little or no day in public policy. Evangelicals OTOH have massive power. They own the South and thanks to our Senate have veto power over just about any law (save for the ones really calling the shots want a e.g. the billionaire aristocracy). What I'm saying is, you're wasting time and energy worrying about a total non threat. You might just as well rail against the scourge of the Amish...

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  61. The replacements by felix+rayman · · Score: 2

    The officially sanctioned replacement terms:

    "science-based" -> "theoretical"
    "evidence-based" -> "alleged"
    "vulnerable" -> "lazy"
    "entitlement" -> "waste, fraud and abuse"
    "diversity" -> "discrimination against white men"
    "transgender" -> "Bay Area resident"
    "fetus" -> "0 year old"

  62. 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Newspeak was designed not to extend but to diminish the range of thought, and this purpose was indirectly assisted by cutting the choice of words down to a minimum."

    --The Principles of Newspeak,"1984," by George Orwell

  63. Trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After the Jerusalem thing, it's clear that Trump is just a troll.
    He's not serious, he's fucking with your heads.
    Just don't feed him.

  64. Apocalypse Cults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ultimate goal of Christianity, Judaism and Islam (all of them), is the complete annihilation of the human race. They want this so they can go to their imaginary heaven and everyone else goes to their imaginary hell.

    How is this acceptable in the 21st century? Why do we allow it? Mass mental illness that threatens the very existence of our species must be stopped.

    The terrible truth is that the solution has to be a "final solution". These people cannot be fixed, they are broken forever and they will kill us all if we do not do something about it.

  65. The b.s. is stacking up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is only so much that can be taken.

  66. science based is a generalism by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    I prefer scientifix method based. That would save a lot of budget by not funding "research" that claims that this and that happened millions of years ago without any glimpse of hope for verification or falsification.

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  67. competing dogmas leave people confused by js290 · · Score: 0

    Renowned cancer scientist was paid by chemical firm for 20 years https://www.theguardian.com/sc... Nutrition Has a Consensus to Use Bad Science: An Open Letter to the National Academies https://www.realclearscience.c...

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  68. We use to have free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now we have communism without calling it that.

  69. OK, take a deep breath... by surfcow · · Score: 1

    As I read it, this was someone offering advise on how to write research funding requests to members of congress, including Republican members.

    Writing for your audience is not a new concept.

    I despise Trump as much as any sentient being,
    but there are better examples of anti-science policy decisions.

  70. How about "Creation-based"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, come on, we all know that science is made by people, who themselves ... got Created! So, "Creation-based": What's wrong with that?!

  71. And so it begins by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    The emperor will not tolerate dissent.

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  72. False equivalence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not talking about the dusty old past my friend, I'm talking about right now. There are numerous non-religious arguments that can be brought to bear against the tyranny of slavery.
    The United States were founded upon religious freedom which does not leave room for one religious group to enact their beliefs as law over others.

  73. Self-inflicted by CDC? by kenh · · Score: 3, Informative

    So I read the summary with a critical eye and this jumped out at me:

    although "a few suggested that the proposal was not so much a ban on words but recommendations to avoid some language to ease the path toward budget approval by Republicans."

    That tells me the heads of CDC most likely came up with this set of "recommendations" because they think it will help them get a larger budget.

    This doesn't read as the Trump Administration banning words, it sounds like career staff has an insulting view of the politicians that determine their funding level.

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    1. Re:Self-inflicted by CDC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I read the summary with a critical eye...

      That's your problem right there. You tried to introduce reason into a political debate.

  74. Okay, I'll bite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hypothetically if say some group of people (Irish, Native American, etc) were found scientifically to be more susceptible to a condition like alcoholism (I know of no science but it seems plausible). And we have a study that tries to determine the benefits of wine on inflammation response (there are studies like that). And there was potentially a recommendation to drink wine because of this study a slam dunk correlation, but there were only a small number of susceptible subjects in the study. Do you just stick with the "science" and recommend drinking wine. OR do you go with additional non-science wording that gives additional warning for potentially susceptible individuals even if you have no science in hand to support it because the community wishes to add those warnings OR do you simply withhold the study results until more susceptible subjects can be studied because the community wishes it.

  75. 'CDC bases its recommendations on science in consi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By community standards and wishes, does that mean the standards as suggested by the current party in power and their wishes?

    Oh boy, you guys are going downhill fast.

    Glad am half way across the world from you guys......

  76. Fake news on /.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that what really matters?

  77. "Based on a true story" by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ever see that line before a movie? Lots of people will think that what follows actually happened. No, it didn't. It was cherry-picked for a few details to make it seem real but it's mostly B.S. Ergo, science-based should be treated the same way. People have gotten into the habit of using the word "science" as a trump card, no pun intended, when the reality is that a) they don't know what they're talking about and b) whomever they are quoting is probably full of crap but expects to be taken as gospel because, you know, they are scientists.

  78. Fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fake News!!!

  79. They are trigger words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those words are trigger words. Microaggressions against right wing believers. Actually, now that I think about it, many of them are just bullshit buzzwords that are a "dog-whistle" to left-wingers, and usually mean nothing. Well, except for "fetus."

  80. The CDC needs the phrase 'Science-based' by Ulfilas2000 · · Score: 1

    The CDC needs to differentiate between their completely speculative and politically biased communication, and that politically biased communication which appeals to a scientific study, and hence is 'science-based'. I suppose they could switch to the boolean opposite, which is 'horseshit based' for everything they publish which does not directly conjecturally apeal to a scientific study for backing.

  81. Slashdot continuing to repost 'Fake News' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cdc-director-says-there-are-no-banned-words-at-the-agency

  82. First Amendment Issue by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I am not at ALL sure the "Trump Administration" (whatever that LEGALLY means!) can actually "Ban" (whatever THAT means!) a Government Agency from the exercise of Free Speech.

    For example, certain Protections, such as Copyright, do not apply to the Government. Afterall, just WHO is the Government going to enforce that Copyright AGAINST?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    But, apparently, Federal Agencies, like the CDC, do NOT have First Amendment rights against the Federal Government:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    Oh well, it was worth a try...

  83. Did this really happen? by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Just wondering.

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  84. No, HHS Did Not ‘Ban Words’ by js290 · · Score: 0
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