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Republican's 'Net Neutrality' Proposal Called 'Bait and Switch' (techcrunch.com)
Remember that net neutrality legislation introduced by Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)? TechCrunch is calling it "half-hearted" -- and suspect.
It's not going to happen, it wouldn't help if it did and Blackburn isn't someone you want writing this kind of legislation. Among other things, she thinks it's the ISPs' job to police content, and voted to kill the Broadband Privacy Rule.
In fact, Blackburn's legislation would deal a "fatal blow" to net neutrality, argues Evan Greer, campaign director at the nonprofit Fight for the Future, writing in Newsweek: Already one of Big Cable's best friends in Congress, Marsha Blackburn, who has taken more than $600,000 from the industry, is pushing for legislation that would permanently undermine the FCC's ability to enforce open internet protections. This bait and switch has been in the works for months. The telecom lobby's end game is to use the crisis they've created to ram through legislation that's branded as a compromise but amounts to a fatal blow to net neutrality... We don't need legislation that's been watered down with kool-aid.
A better solution, he suggests, is pushing Congress to overrule the FCC with a Congressional Resolution of Disapproval.
In fact, Blackburn's legislation would deal a "fatal blow" to net neutrality, argues Evan Greer, campaign director at the nonprofit Fight for the Future, writing in Newsweek: Already one of Big Cable's best friends in Congress, Marsha Blackburn, who has taken more than $600,000 from the industry, is pushing for legislation that would permanently undermine the FCC's ability to enforce open internet protections. This bait and switch has been in the works for months. The telecom lobby's end game is to use the crisis they've created to ram through legislation that's branded as a compromise but amounts to a fatal blow to net neutrality... We don't need legislation that's been watered down with kool-aid.
A better solution, he suggests, is pushing Congress to overrule the FCC with a Congressional Resolution of Disapproval.
The only people objecting to it are pirates that download illegal files from The Pirate Bay. They are thieves that want to steal intellectual property, and they want unrestricted access to high speed internet without having to pay for it.
If you want to access the internet, you have to pay for it. If you want to access Facebook, you might have to pay a little extra. That's how things work in the USA.
It's not entirely unlike how if you want to watch HBO or Shoetime, you have to pay an extra fee to your TV service provider.
The internet is no different. Anyone who says differently is a racist. Argument over.
Already one of Big Cable's best friends in Congress, Marsha Blackburn, who has taken more than $600,000 from the industry, is pushing for legislation....
That's how our political system works. You need bribes, -cough- I mean campaign contributions, to get elected. Once elected, you have to do what your donors want you to do, even if it's at odds with the best interest of your constituents or the well being of the country. Conversely, if you're a special interest group and want to enact your agenda, you need to bribe, I mean make enough campaign contributions, to get your agenda passed into law. Who's bribing politicians on the behalf of net- neutrality???
Both parties are doing this, so this isn't a Republican or Democratic thing.
Having the FCC destroy the internet or let congress do it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
1) The differences between Title I and Title II?
2) Why the FTC and not the FCC should under current law handle internet regulation as such, and why no one is asking the FTC to do anything instead?
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Among other things, she thinks it's the ISPs' job to police content
Already one of Big Cable's best friends in Congress,
Aren't these two at odds with each other? ISPs have widely resisted such proposals.
Jesus, what a shithole USAmericans inhabit!
I call it flurghuzert.
So the new rules are "paid prioritization". https://arstechnica.com/tech-p...
And the concern is how to protect websites from being "down voted" out of existence, in respect to QoS priority, etc.
My concern is what is this going to do to VoIP providers. Aside from VoIP/SIP providers, I don't know what is latency sensitive. I actually don't give a rooty toot toot if a Facebook page takes a few seconds longer to load, or a video stream has to buffer a little longer before playing (as long as it doesn't buffer during the stream). VoIP prioritization, and video game lag are about the only things that concern me.
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So following a train of thought I just had. Fake news becomes harder to detect. "Paid prioritization" has an interesting feature of enabling the quarantining of localities.
If local businesses, government, or organizations suffer from the effects of "paid prioritization", a solution is to make it so those are within the local network, before hitting a major ISP pipeline. That way locals would have access, but anyone outside the local community wouldn't have access because "paid prioritization" would consume all available bandwidth across the national pipelines. Then some vague "other" or "they" get blamed for a site being inaccessible.
The results are two-fold. One, foreign powers wouldn't likely be granted paid prioritization to influence elections. Two, if there is any meddling or fake news, foreign or domestic, there wouldn't be a nation wide internet to corroborate or collaborate to identify and challenge the "fake news".
It only covered the bottom 3 MEDIA layers of the OSI model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model#Description_of_OSI_layers but not content providers up in the FINAL TOP layer(s)!
(Thus, so they could censor or delete anything they don't like & promote their own BULLSHIT instead - yes, that includes /. folks (or Google + FakeBook (especially these latter 2 ala facebook's "political arm" of bots trolling for them https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/12/21/2033245/how-facebooks-political-unit-enables-the-dark-art-of-digital-propaganda/)).
I am ALL for everyone travelling @ the SAME EQUAL SPEED based on what you pay your ISP for - that's potentially NOW not the case. It was abused before too:
E.G. - Comcast throttled NetFlix vs. THEIR COMPETING OFFERING to outcompete it - THAT IS LAME, LOW & WRONG (f'ing cheating is more like it).
* Under OLD "net neutrality", content providers are notorious for this to promote "their own agenda" (as /. does for OpenSORES, Google or Facebook + SJW material more often than not as the content here vs. the past being solely on tech almost) & THIS YEAR, whipslash & his moderators here have been DELETING POSTS when it's widely KNOWN & SAID "but, But, BUT... /. doesn't DELETE posts" - bullshit. /. is NOT what it once was... period.
Now, I am also ALL for everyone being able to FREELY SPEAK (by all means) - but "the truncheon gets used in lieu of conversation" where discussion, facts & logic would ultimately triumph otherwise - no, instead, the "banhammer" is used! That's bullshit & denies freedom of speech (a basic principle of U.S. Society + an inalienable right).
AGAIN & MOST IMPORTANT - See the Facebook link again https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/12/21/2033245/how-facebooks-political-unit-enables-the-dark-art-of-digital-propaganda/ to see HOW IT WAS USED AGAINST YOU & TO STOP THEIR CRAP BEING EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS (censoring anything that exposed their CROOKED AGENDA)
APK
P.S.=> The OLD net neutrality was done by some SNEAKY BASTARDS using 1/2 truths & NOT telling ALL THE FACTS of how it worked - now, above, YOU HAVE FACTS & SOLID VERIFIABLE UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of how it actually "worked" (worked against you to promote bogus agendas unfairly is more like it)... apk
Keep in mind that the 2015 approach to "net neutrality" is woefully incomplete. It only covers the bottom 3 of the 7 layers of the OSI model of networking. That means it applies neutrality to only about 43% of the layers!
Neutrality at the packet level is not enough. We need 100% net neutrality, which means that all 7 layers of the OSI model are included.
Having neutrality at the Application layer, where social media providers like Twitter, Facebook, Hacker News and even Slashdot would be classified, is just as important as having neutrality at the Network layer.
Both ISPs and social media platforms are very similar. They're both conduits, where something is inputted, and we expect it to be delivered to the destination(s) in a fair and neutral manner.
ISPs transmit IP packets between computers.
Social media platforms transmit ideas, usually in the form of submissions and comments, between people.
Neither should inhibit the flow of data through their systems based on the content of said data.
Neutrality at the Application layer means that social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter couldn't delete, hide, delay, or otherwise censor any legal comments and content.
It also means that social media platforms couldn't ban, shadow-ban, silence or otherwise censor users who are acting legally.
Basically we need to hold social media providers to the same standard that we're holding ISPs and other telecom providers.
Restricting neutrality to the bottom 3 layers of the 7-layer OSI model, while ignoring the top 4 layers, is pointless.
Regardless of your political stance, and regardless of what political party or parties you support, what we need is full, 100% net neutrality covering all network layers.
We should reject any attempt at net "neutrality" that's so woefully incomplete that it only covers 43% of the layers involved with a modern network.
We should reject the failed 2015 attempt at net "neutrality" because it's incomplete. We can do better. We can do 100% net neutrality.
Look at it from the telcos point of view, they get to sell customers internet connections, then resell those customers to websites, who then have to find a way to dump that cost back onto the customers. So customers ultimately pay for this via hidden costs.
That will work only in areas with terrible monopoly/duopoly internet access. If you have choice, costs can't be loaded because you risk the screwed internet companies making it clear costs are being loaded on by their telco.
Look at the voting demographic for Republicans and it's middle America, the same people who are going to get screwed senseless by the telcos. Because they're the ones with limited choices for internet access, they're the ones Chairman Pai is screwing over. It's Karma.
It's like Obamacare, it rewards older people with pre-existing conditions with protection from insurance sharks, it penalizes younger healthy people who could skip the insurance with a (finger-crossed) hope of staying healthy for the moment.
So who is getting screwed when Trump refuses to pay out premiums he's legally obliged to pay, or Congress spikes the mandate?..... Fat old white men with diabetes who watch Fox and vote Republican. Karma.
And who is getting rewarded by the ability to skip insurance payments and take the risk? Younger, healthier, largely Democrat voters.
Karma.
They won't get coal jobs, Ford is still making the Mexico car plant, they'll just be a bit poorer than their fellow Americans as a consequence of their blind team flag following.
Either a new bill is fair and includes Net Neutrality or it isn't. That doesn't mean all bills on the subject will be horrible. I don't get the give up mentality by this writer. The point is to make a law about Net Neutrality so we don't have votes made of 5 people making important decisions, but congress. Hell you could make it an amendment to the constitution, it might be that important.
Lets not make a law overly complex by introducing legistlation that involves a lot of opinion. Keep "Net Neutrality" to the lower levels, and craft some free speech laws to govern the higher levels of the OSI model.
It's got what the internet craves. You didn't see anyone in that movie use much of anything that resembles the current internet.
That only works if all the towns only have municipal broadband that is entirely autonomous and locally administered. But the reality is that most people's Internet access are controlled by national networks. Paid prioritization just makes it easier for foreign powers to target the national network and spread fake news to the entire country of people.
How do you suppose you got your Internet access?
I once had a signature.
Shorter Anonymous Coward: "We want to keep spewing our alt-right bullshit on social media without the owners of the platform deciding they don't want to be associated with literal Nazis".
Paid prioritization only enables foreign powers if there is no patriotism in the ISPs.
Otherwise local municipal broadband is the end result of "paid prioritization".
Though "Paid Prioritization" might work, if it is limited to blocks of time, say two hour intervals. This allows entertainment companies to buy blocks of time during "prime time", keeping business and educational costs down for SIP service, etc., during business and school hours. It should also enable a window of opportunity for minorities or other smaller groups to carve out niches in bandwidth being financially supported by major players.
Everyone's getting nuts over speeds, and money. The real problem is that eventually it will result in a whitelist, where sites need to be approved by the service provider......
Common carrier status was the point all along. Simple Trojan horse meant to tag along with a popular idea. Donâ(TM)t tell me that you had no intentions of implementing all the restrictions and powers of Title 2 to allow Google Et al to regulate and control at will and then cry bloody murder when your same issue gets solved by altering the current status. Just another set of laws promised not to be implemented until some civil servant decides otherwise.
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Even if all ISPs are completely patriotic, it's hard to distinguish foreign interference from grassroots movement. You only need to look at a few recent examples, e.g. Heart of Texas. Before ISPs and Facebook realize that they have been foreign sponsored, it would have been too late after the damage is done.
And seeing how the ISPs are able to lobby the government to abolish net neutrality, they now have enough monopoly and power so that they don't have to pretend to be patriotic anymore. In many municipalities, the telecom companies have exclusive access to the utility poles so even Google Fiber can't build new Internet access. Let alone common folks like you and me. And Municipal Internet is just not happening. Here is the list of states with conditional or total ban, or minefield in their laws.
I still want to know how you got your Internet. You seem ingenuously optimistic.
I once had a signature.
If a municipal internet is not possible, then a monopoly is likely the alternative. Otherwise you are pressed to pay premiums to access a website hosted literally across the street, because it has to be routed through a peering arrangement out of state, which prioritizes other traffic above your local infrastructure.
It's amazing to me how many people think that the US was this backwater, third-world country before 2008.
I keep pointing out that if the federal government has more control over the internet, it's only a matter of time before people like Jeff Sessions or this other wanker trying to get ISP's to police content, will start latching on to whatever controls the FCC has in place.
I can't fathom why on earth every single technical person with an ounce of sense is not SCREAMING to prevent any government involvement of the internet, full stop. Or have you forgotten the clipper chip? Or Tipper Gore / Hillary Clinton and the Video Game Witch Hunt??? Why would you want anyone stupid enough to become a politician overseeing something we all value so much?
The best solution is the one we have already - no rules in place for politicians to attach conditions to, with an FCC ready to step in if an ISP gets out of line. That is the bets role of government, as watchdog and referee, not the ones managing what the ISP's can actually do directly.
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Stop voting Republican. It's already been pointed out that they're the ones behind this. And vote in your primary. Voting doesn't do any good if your just voting for Republicans running with a D next to their name (Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelocy, I'm looking at you).
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The real issue is MASS SURVEILLANCE.
Net neutrality is a non-issue. It's just an argument over which plutocratic faction gets to anally rape your freedom before the other. But be assured, both get their turn.
Google vs ISPs, whose do you prefer up yours in which order?
Plain and simple, net neutrality is a distraction to bury conversation about mass surveillance. Stop letting the media decide your subjects of conversation for you.
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As with all bills, we need to know who wrote the bill for the congressperson, and who the bill writer is working for. It wasn't the congressperson who wrote it. There is no ethical reason why this information should be hidden from the public.
Find out who payed for its creation, and you'll know the motivations behind it.
Verizon? Comcast?
It only covered the bottom 3 MEDIA layers of the OSI model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model#Description_of_OSI_layers/ but not content providers up in the FINAL TOP layer(s)!
Thus, so they could censor or delete anything they don't like & promote their own BULLSHIT instead - yes, that includes /. or Google, YouTube + FakeBook!
(Especially these latter 2 ala facebook's "political arm" of bots trolling for them https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/12/21/2033245/how-facebooks-political-unit-enables-the-dark-art-of-digital-propaganda/ ).
I am ALL for everyone travelling @ the SAME EQUAL SPEED based on what you pay your ISP for - that's potentially NOW not the case.
It was abused before too:
E.G. - Comcast throttled NetFlix vs. THEIR COMPETING OFFERING to outcompete it - THAT IS LAME, LOW & WRONG (f'ing cheating is more like it).
* Under OLD "net neutrality", content providers (like /., facebook, & google) are notorious for this to promote "their own agenda"!
(As /. does for OpenSORES, Google or Facebook + SJW material more often than not as the content here vs. the past being solely on tech almost)
&
THIS YEAR, whipslash & his moderators here have been DELETING POSTS https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11509041&cid=55776597/ when it's widely KNOWN & SAID w/ SLASHDOT BRAGGING "but, But, BUT... /. doesn't DELETE posts" - bullshit. /. is NOT what it once was... period.
Now, I am also ALL for everyone being able to FREELY SPEAK (by all means)!
HOWEVER as you can see with proofs above?
"The downmod OR delete truncheon gets used in lieu of conversation" where discussion, facts & logic would ultimately triumph otherwise!
(No, instead, the "banhammer" is used! That's bullshit & denies freedom of speech (a basic principle of U.S. Society + an inalienable right & THEY ARE HOSTED IN THE USA)).
AGAIN & MOST IMPORTANT - See the Facebook link again https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/12/21/2033245/how-facebooks-political-unit-enables-the-dark-art-of-digital-propaganda/
Just to see HOW IT WAS USED AGAINST YOU & TO STOP THEIR CRAP BEING EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS (censoring anything that exposed their CROOKED AGENDA)
APK
P.S.=> The OLD net neutrality was done by some SNEAKY BASTARDS using 1/2 truths & NOT telling ALL THE FACTS of how it worked - now, above, YOU HAVE FACTS & SOLID VERIFIABLE UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of how it actually "worked" (worked against you to promote bogus agendas unfairly is more like it)... apk
It only covered the bottom 3 MEDIA layers of the OSI model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model#Description_of_OSI_layers/ but not content providers up in the FINAL TOP layer(s)!
Thus, so they could censor or delete anything they don't like & promote their own BULLSHIT instead - yes, that includes /. or Google, YouTube + FakeBook!
(Especially these latter 2 ala facebook's "political arm" of bots trolling for them https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/12/21/2033245/how-facebooks-political-unit-enables-the-dark-art-of-digital-propaganda/ ).
I am ALL for everyone travelling @ the SAME EQUAL SPEED based on what you pay your ISP for - that's potentially NOW not the case.
It was abused before too:
E.G. - Comcast throttled NetFlix vs. THEIR COMPETING OFFERING to outcompete it - THAT IS LAME, LOW & WRONG (f'ing cheating is more like it).
* Under OLD "net neutrality", content providers (like /., facebook, & google) are notorious for this to promote "their own agenda"!
(As /. does for OpenSORES, Google or Facebook + SJW material more often than not as the content here vs. the past being solely on tech almost)
&
THIS YEAR, whipslash & his moderators here have been DELETING POSTS https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11509041&cid=55776597/ when it's widely KNOWN & SAID w/ SLASHDOT BRAGGING "but, But, BUT... /. doesn't DELETE posts" - bullshit. /. is NOT what it once was... period.
Now, I am also ALL for everyone being able to FREELY SPEAK (by all means)!
HOWEVER as you can see with proofs above?
"The downmod OR delete truncheon gets used in lieu of conversation" where discussion, facts & logic would ultimately triumph otherwise!
(No, instead, the "banhammer" is used! That's bullshit & denies freedom of speech (a basic principle of U.S. Society + an inalienable right & THEY ARE HOSTED IN THE USA)).
AGAIN & MOST IMPORTANT - See the Facebook link again https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/12/21/2033245/how-facebooks-political-unit-enables-the-dark-art-of-digital-propaganda/
Just to see HOW IT WAS USED AGAINST YOU & TO STOP THEIR CRAP BEING EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS (censoring anything that exposed their CROOKED AGENDA)
APK
P.S.=> The OLD net neutrality was done by some SNEAKY BASTARDS using 1/2 truths & NOT telling ALL THE FACTS of how it worked - now, above, YOU HAVE FACTS & SOLID VERIFIABLE UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of how it actually "worked" (worked against you to promote bogus agendas unfairly is more like it)... apk
Yeah mod this down, your privacy against one company and ability to download cat videos without paying extra really matters in the face of the TOTAL SURVEILLANCE STATE.
I think the Donald Trump election has completely broken the minds of the majority of the leftist side. They have been trained to let the media directly into their inner circles of thought based on the echo chamber they've been provided for "NOT MY PRESIDENT".
So when the media champions a cause they are inclined to, they just let in all the assertions brainlessly and never even begin to evaluate the wider context and so miss the question of whether or not the topic at hand is actually relevant.
Brainless, emotional animals. Frontal lobe pruned by classical conditioning. Leftists will be the death of us all if we don't stop them very, very soon. See what happened with communism. That's what's in store for us. Genocide against the intelligent, whole people as the leftists take revenge for their personal failures.
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Who could have ever conceived that a politician could lie to the electorate in a cynical ploy to obtain their votes.
I. AM. SHOCKED. Shocked, I say.
What's next? Doctors who prescribe expensive medical procedures/tests just so they can generate more revenue?
Face it. Nice guys finish last for a reason. To be successful, you have to be a sociopath.