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'Star Wars' Franchise Crosses $4 Billion, Eclipsing Disney's Lucasfilm Price (hollywoodreporter.com)

Combined, Disney and Lucasfilm's Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story and Star Wars: The Force Awakens have surpassed $4.06 billion in ticket sales at the worldwide box office. That's more than what Disney paid to buy George Lucas' Star Wars franchise. From the Hollywood Reporter: While an interesting benchmark, it doesn't, of course, account for the hundreds of millions spent to produce and market the trio of films, or the fact that Disney splits box-office grosses with theater owners. Conversely, Disney has minted additional money from lucrative ancillary revenue streams, merchandising sales and theme park attractions. Opening in North America on Dec. 15, The Last Jedi zoomed past the $900 million mark on Thursday, finishing the day with $934.2 million globally, including $464.6 million domestically and $469.6 internationally (it doesn't land in China until Jan. 5). The sequel to The Force Awakens was directed by Rian Johnson, and has dominated the Christmas corridor. The Last Jedi will jump the $1 billion mark over New Year's weekend on its way to becoming the top-grossing 2017 release, eclipsing the $1.264 billion earned by fellow Disney title Beauty and the Beast. In December 2015, filmmaker J.J. Abrams' The Force Awakens shattered numerous records on its way to grossing $2.068 billion globally, including an all-time best $936.7 million in North America, not accounting for inflation.

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  1. A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We can film whatever we want, slap Star Wars on it and rake in the cash."

    1. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We can film whatever we want, slap Star Wars on it and rake in the cash."

      The alternative was to let George Lucas continue to do the same thing.

      As bad as Disney may be, they ain't as bad as Lucas.

      Ewoks? "Jub jub!!!!"?!?!?!

      Greedo shot first?!?!?!

      Jar-Jar?!?!?!

      midichlorians?!?!?!

      The saddest thing is Lucas got $4 billion MORE to be made to go away.

    2. Re:A movie with a message by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The saddest thing is Lucas got $4 billion MORE to be made to go away.

      Yeah, well, where did the money really come from? Let's not blame people for being successful.

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    3. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't blame Disney. They are simply a corporation doing what a corporation does....making money.

      It's the general public that accepts this and are quite happy about handing over their money for this 'entertainment'. Given the profits Disney has made, the general public is fine with this arrangement. In short, no issue here.

    4. Re:A movie with a message by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Apparently. I loved the original trilogy back when, but all this new, ahem, "stuff" leaves me entirely cold. No soul left, just bad storytelling, generic "Star Wars" decor and CGI demos. No, thanks.

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    5. Re:A movie with a message by Excelcia · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm honestly now not sure if JJ or Lucas is worse. George Lucas, for all his (myriad) faults was at least original. JJ took the original trilogy and just put it in a blender and hit frappe. What came out was Star Wars for millennials.

      Empire vs Rebels
      Empire/First Order vs Resistance

      Force sensitive struggles to find himself on a journey to fulfill his birthright accompanied by cute droid.
      Force sensitive struggles to find herself on a journey to fulfill her birthright accompanied by cute droid.

      Evil shadowy overlord who in the past persuaded angsty rebellious jedi to betray the Jedi and destroy them, turning angsty rebellious jedi into evil sidekick.
      Evil shadowy overlord who persuaded angsty rebellious jedi to betray the Jedi and destroy them, turning angsty rebellious jedi into evil sidekick.

      Have to destroy death star in final battle to save rebel base.
      Have to destroy death planet in final battle to save rebel base.

      Yawn.

      Sure, the more control Lucas got, the worse his films got. Hands down awful. But at least the stupidity was his. I have to give him that. What was JJ's excuse?

    6. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucas was definitely making a mess, but I think Disney is doing far far worse, generic stories aimed purely to maximise profit with nothing unique about them. Yeah they are ok but they are really riding on the coat tails of peoples love of the franchise rather than improving it.

    7. Re:A movie with a message by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      JJ ruins things for me.

      Take, for example, the "mining ship" in Star Trek. No cargo hold for anything they mine, and a very impractical shape for anything that's doing mining. You can picture JJ in the boardroom, shouting "scarier, more menacing" and writing it in like a character. He ruined that when he wrote a hatch in dirt into Lost as a character. But the mining ship was stupid, for a mining ship. Every decision he makes is stupid, and designed to "entertain", not "tell a story". He should work for Cirque du Soleil. The other really stupid thing in Star Trek is the chase. Kirk is being chased by an instadeath. A larger creature (impractical for an ice planet), kills the creature and doesn't eat it. Picture a hunter out to kill a deer. It kills a deer. It notices the deer is chasing a mouse. The hunter ignores the deer he just killed, and chases after the mouse. That's the decision JJ made. It's stupid, and it ruins everything he touches.

      Some like that, and endless lens flare, but, personally, I find his obvious and deliberate decisions to be stupid and distracting.

    8. Re:A movie with a message by hey! · · Score: 1

      It really isn't true you can turn anything into a hit with marketing and branding. I think the truth is more like this: with a powerful brand, any reasonably solid installment is guaranteed to be a hit. That's why Disney wanted this brand.

      But solid isn't the same as perfect. Anything as complex as a movie is bound to have plenty of flaws you can latch onto. When Disney bought this brand they didn't put it into the hands of complete hacks, they put smart people on it, and the mistakes are the kinds of mistakes smart people make when they're trying to be clever. For example the movie deals with peoples' anxiety the Mouse Empire buying the IP rights to their childhoods by giving us a subplot with an anti-corporate theme. Now I think it's usually a good idea for a writer to have a strong point of view (even if I disagree), but this doesn't feel sincere. It doesn't have the bite of genuine anger, it's just some throw-away posturing.

      The script also struggles with the truth that franchise can't survive by serving the fans exactly what they want. That creative struggle bleeds through to all that "destroy the old" theme that runs through the movie. I thought that was overdone; it would have been wiser to pander to fans just a *little* bit more.

      But the biggest problem of this franchise is its biggest strength: people who've been fans since childhood. These fans bring an adult perspective that they didn't have when they imprinted on the franchise. I think Disney is right to pitch the films a bit more to the fans more adult selves, but there's also a built in futility to that.

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    9. Re:A movie with a message by bongey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Kathleen Kennedy's goal is to make 'The Force Is Female" , https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/def...
      Make weak males , Mary Sue females throughout the movies. Come on Luke Skywalker gets his ass beat by a girl who just a week later didn't even know what the force existed. Oh and she can lift more than Yoda with the force. So she is basically the most powerful Jedi after about a week.

    10. Re:A movie with a message by hey! · · Score: 2

      Oh, there was some bad storytelling back in the original trilogy.

      "A New Hope" was apparently a total mess in the rough cut; some radical and brilliant editing that cut out Lucas's flat-footed exposition and created the quick pacing we remember that film for. Lucas was largely absent from the second installment and returned to deliver a disappointing Return of the Jedi.

      Lucas has tried to blame the bad rough cut of New Hope on his first editor and take credit for the changes in the final theatrical cut, but many of the thing that were wrong with that rough cut returned in Phantom Menace, when Lucas had become too powerful to say "no" to.

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    11. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie was terrible, but it wasn't the mining ship that is to blame. Both Red Dwarf and the Nostromo are both comparably menacing designs for a mining starship. Pretty sure any starship capable of stripping bodies large enough to have their own gravity well must by necessity be a pretty intimating fucking vessel.

    12. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet the rebooted Trek movies are immensely more popular than the old one. And they attract a better audience too: face it, nobody wants their franchise associated with weirdos.

    13. Re:A movie with a message by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The Force, Jedi and Sith are three very different and distinct things - you don't need to be a Jedi or a Sith to be good in the force.

      When are people going to accept that? Anakin was an exceptional pod racer because he was a powerful force user, but he wasn't a Jedi until later on.

      Luke had fuck all training and yet it is accepted as a strong Jedi. He didn't go through an apprenticeship, had at most a few weeks of training with Yoda and yet apparently he's kick ass enough that being beaten by a girl who has a proven track record of using melee weapons is an impossibility.

    14. Re:A movie with a message by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, back then the Star Wars universe was fresh and that compensated for a lot and, as you say, editing saved a lot. I do agree that The Return of the Jedi fell short, I just did not know that George "Fuckup" Lucas was the reason. I had wondered why Episodes 4 and 5 were not affected so much by his lack of talent, but your explanation fixes that. Thanks!

      Now, the universe is not fresh anymore at all and the new trilogy just copies earlier stuff and does handover to younger actors.

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    15. Re: A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I hear the whole reason why the last Jedi was made is so that people would reconsider the prequels as no longer abominations compared that the new star wars dumpste fire. Really the last Jedi is a reclamation project for eps 1-3.

    16. Re:A movie with a message by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      You are citing the producer's t-shirt as evidence?

      When did Luke get beaten up by Ray? What movie were you watching?

      Ray basically failed in that movie, she didn't convince Luke to do all that much and couldn't turn Ren from the dark side either. In fact Ren used her to make himself supreme leader. Some Mary Sue.

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    17. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who would want to watch a movie about itself?

    18. Re: A movie with a message by KaLeVR1 · · Score: 1

      The worst alternative it's not George Lucas doing the same thing. It's the more likely alternative that he would spend another decade just sitting on it doing nothing, and then releasing a couple new remasterings or anniversary cuts just for a payday. At least Disney is making new films.

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    19. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Luke couldn't even deflect laser bolts from that little hoverbot. Anakin was force jesus, created by a sith lord to be some sort of force wonderchild. They had prophecies about how powerful and unique he was.

      ma-rei-sue could overpower a trained sith immediatly the day she found out the force existed. Could mind control people without even knowing that was a thing you could do, was a master of lightsaber combat as soon as she picked one up.

    20. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ma-rei-sue could overpower a trained sith immediatly the day she found out the force existed.

      Kylo Ren is not a "trained Sith."

    21. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just nitpicking here... Nostromo is a tug, not a mining ship.

    22. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anakin wasn't a powerful force user -- He was actually the living embodiment of the force. In theory (Star Wars theory) that would make him the most powerful Force user in the galaxy. After his conversion to Darth Vader, I can see there being a loss of "midichlorians" as he was no longer a completely organic being. He was able to still kill Palpatine.

      So according to existing "Force" rules, Rey can't be stronger than Luke unless she happens to be another Force miracle child. Or possibly the offspring of Luke and Leia (I don't think anyone is going to go for that one). The current ongoing rewrite that "anyone can be a super Force user if they just try" flies in the face of the previous existing material. Yes, that isn't popular with the snowflake crowd. That's why they are changing it.

      As for JJ, remember Lost? They absolutely aren't in purgatory (except that they are). This happens every time with JJ as well. Once you get past the "Hey, this would be cool." phase, JJ can't keep to or tell a story. Same thing with Alias. After the first season, they ran out of ideas so they based the entire franchise on a throwaway MacGuffin from earlier that season. And no, Alias never made sense after the first season.

    23. Re:A movie with a message by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's Rey, you stupid twat.

      Would you take someone's scholarly musings on Dickens seriously if he kept referring to "Nickolas Nickelby"? Actually, I doubt you'd notice.

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    24. Re:A movie with a message by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      Have to destroy death star in final battle to save rebel base.

      The rebel base facing eminent destruction was added with creative editing.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    25. Re:A movie with a message by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      What movie were you watching?

      The one that got covered in yucky girl cooties.

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    26. Re:A movie with a message by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That pretty much sums it up. The first three movies had less than 1 minute of dialogue by female characters other then Leia, who was damseled twice and the second time in a bikini. Now we have some movies with some women in better roles and it's an all out assault on men, an insult to the entire gender.

      In fact thinking any it, Rey is the only female force user we have seen for more than a moment on screen. Maybe that's what the shirt is referring to, given the title of the first movie in the new trilogy.

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    27. Re:A movie with a message by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If you can't defeat the message, attack the messeneger.

      At least it means that on a fundamental level you agree with AmiMojo and concede that his assessment was correct.

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    28. Re:A movie with a message by hey! · · Score: 1

      This is the problem with franchises. It's the promise of the same thing over and over again that brings fans back, but you can't really have the same experience over and over again. What you have to do is open up new facets of the story, the way the Battlestar Galactica reboot did, but even that you can't do that indefinitely.

      The problem isn't the universe, the problem is not having anything to add to it. I feel this way about steampunk novels. Using the standard tropes simplifies the writer's job, and return he ought to give us something extra: add new tropes to the trove, or have something interesting or even subversive to say. A story should offer more than watching someone play with this store-bought Star Wars play set does.

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    29. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. like trump voters, disney/star warz appeals to lowest common denominator. proving once again its just. about. money. Make 'murika Greedy Again.

    30. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The first three movies had less than 1 minute of dialogue by female characters other then Leia, who was damseled twice and the second time in a bikini. Now we have some movies with some women in better roles and it's an all out assault on men, an insult to the entire gender.

      Han Solo was literally Objectified. Luke needed saving on several occasions. Leia was always the leader. Her capture and display showed the depravity and barbarousness of the outer rim, it was a different place perfect for escapism. The franchise would have died in the 80's without it. The prequels showed women senators, queens, civilization in the Republic. The latest went back to the outer rim and we get...a high end casino with a police force that cares about parking regulations?

      Let's look at the characters of The Last Jedi.

      Rose's sister: Dies a hero.
      Rey: Beats everybody. Saves Luke from his passive self.
      Leia: Space superwoman. Unkillable. Everyone worships her.
      Rose: Saves Fin from himself. Makes Poe's plan possible. Saves animals in pens. Saves Fin.
      Holdo: Keeps everybody in the dark. Acts like a traitor. Saves the day.

      Hux: A complete failure through and through. Evil.
      Poe: Reprimanded by Leia and Holdo. Every decision he makes is a mistake. Needs to be saved by Holdo's plan.
      Kylo: Saved by then beaten by Rey. Evil.
      Fin: Coward. Runs and needs to be saved by Rose.
      Luke: Coward, isolationist. Beaten by Rey then saved by Rey.
      Codebreaker: Traitorous. Thief. Evil.
      Snoke: "Dies" like a bitch. Evil.

      Every woman a hero. Every man a fuckup that needs saving by a woman. Any man that has no woman to save them is evil.

      Yeah, it sounds like an insult to an entire gender. Especially coming from a franchise designed from the start to appeal to teenage boys, young men, and have been kept alive for decades by billions of dollars in disproportionate spending by them.

      Lighthearted note: best scene in the film was when BB-8 pretended to be a mouse droid (MSE-6).

    31. Re:A movie with a message by Northdot · · Score: 2

      When did Luke get beaten up by Ray? What movie were you watching?

      I believe it was right after Luke interrupted the finger sex scene. He walks away, she cracks him on the head with her staff, they tussle and she gets the best of him finally threatening him with the light saber. She beat up fricking Luke Skywalker. Because female.

    32. Re:A movie with a message by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      George Lucas was original? lolwut? He’s long admitted that Star Wars was highly derivative.

    33. Re:A movie with a message by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. On the book-side, it is not just steampunk, it affects every genre. Initially, even one of the "generic" ones may be fun, but after 2-3 you have seen it all and they become boring. Authors with original ideas and the talent to use them well are rare. And, unfortunately, authors with original ideas almost always seem to do significantly worse commercially that those producing generic re-hashes. Case in point: The Star Wars franchise seems to do very well commercially. Oh, well. At least with modern digital publishing on the book side, we get a lot of new authors that could not get their stuff published before and some are actually pretty good.

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    34. Re:A movie with a message by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Rey fighting Kylo Ren to a draw was something I could accept as fiction. The stormtrooper Fin fighting Kylo Ren with a lightsaber for more than a millisecond before being cut in half is what I couldn't suspend my disbelief for.

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    35. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you favor a moppet scrapper over a trained soldier in hand-to-hand combat, because The Force?

    36. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make weak males , Mary Sue females throughout the movies. Come on Luke Skywalker gets his ass beat by a girl who just a week later didn't even know what the force existed. Oh and she can lift more than Yoda with the force. So she is basically the most powerful Jedi after about a week.

      You're right! Hollywood got something wrong. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

      (For the sarcastically-impared, I'm not really shocked. Remember these are the same folks who'll happily re-write history to suit their story/agenda.)

    37. Re:A movie with a message by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      attack the messeneger.

      That's a bit racist. And I thought he was a nip?

      At least it means that on a fundamental level you agree with AmiMojo and concede that his assessment was correct.

      Not sure what logical system that's based on, but since you didn't deny that you're a complete waste of oxygen it means that on a fundamental level you agree with my assessment that you are one.

      P.S. Bizarre coincidence, you turning up.

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    38. Re:A movie with a message by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Ren was severely wounded during both of those battles, and Fin is a trained soldier who will have received hand to hand combat training - he was still having his arse kicked by Ren. Not that much of a leap, really.

    39. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess Jabba just strangled himself then...

    40. Re:A movie with a message by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      That's a bit racist.

      One thing I've noticed abut right-wingers is you all have serious trouble understanding basic words. "raist" is atually a speific word with a specific meaning, it's not simply a word meaning "stuff I don't like".

      It's kind of like monkey see monkey do.

      Speaking of monkey see monkey do, you've done a bit more:

      but since you didn't deny

      That's because until now it didn't come up. The big difference is that AmiMojo made a sound point and instead of addressing the point, you attacked the messenger.

      It's not a complicated concept, but then again it's you, so I have to adjust my expectations. It's kind of funny watching you flailing aronud with such a tenuous grasp of really rather simple topics. But please, do continue...

      P.S. Bizarre coincidence, you turning up.

      I've been a regular reader of slashdot for well over a decade, and I find it very entertaining when there are threads threads where a bunch of whiny manbabies think that a film that's not all about men all the time is somehow an attack on the whole male gender.

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    41. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a bit racist.

      One thing I've noticed abut right-wingers is you all have serious trouble understanding basic words. "raist" is atually a speific word with a specific meaning, it's not simply a word meaning "stuff I don't like".

      I think he was trying to make a "neger" joke out of your typo.

    42. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Fin is a trained soldier who will have received hand to hand combat training

      You mean like all those other stormtroopers that can't land a shot?

    43. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "raist" is atually a speific word with a specific meaning, it's not simply a word meaning "stuff I don't like".

      So, let's give you a little test. Can non-whites be racist against whites?

    44. Re:A movie with a message by Vastad · · Score: 1

      What came out was Star Wars for millennials.

      Dude, seriously, you're overusing that term for a cheap shot. Please stop.

      The New trilogy (Eps 1 -3) no matter how much we despise them, was amazing to anyone who happened to be between 6 and 9 years old when they saw Phantom Menace. The Disney Trilogy is aimed at the same age group ("moichondizing, moichondizing!" - The Great Yogurt).

      Those 6-9 year olds are going to get their own generational label.

    45. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A LOT of money for a slightly above average movie. I gave it a C+. When I watched Justice League the crowd applauded. When I watched Star Wars VIII crickets were chirping at the closing credits. Had about 3 really good scenes. The only ones repeating "I've got a bad feeling about this" were the audience about losing $14 for a so-so flick (plus popcorn).

    46. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say the prequels were actually pretty original. Of course, just because they were original doesn't mean they were well executed or very good.

      This is likely a big reason The Force Awakens was just a re-hashing of A New Hope - the prequels didn't go over so well so just go back to the original formula. They mixed it up a bit for The Last Jedi, and judging by the response they probably won't do that again. Now, especially with Disney in control, you can just expect an endless stream of derivative "safe" Star Wars movies until they've milked the franchise for all its worth.

    47. Re:A movie with a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You mean like all those other stormtroopers that can't land a shot?

      If they took off their helmets like Fin did, maybe they could hit the broad side of a sandcrawler...

    48. Re:A movie with a message by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      JJ makes interesting movies. Lucas makes repetitive tripe.

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    49. Re:A movie with a message by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Wait, you think you saw the whole mining ship? From the size of it (9,368.7 meters according to http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/...), I'm thinking you barely saw the bridge in the movie.

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    50. Re:A movie with a message by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Anakin was super powerful, Luke was not. There's also the possibility that fewer Jedi makes each individual practitioner more powerful.

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    51. Re:A movie with a message by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Your premise is wrong. Your logic is wrong. And so, your conclusion is flawed at best.

  2. All profit now? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Makes me wonder if Disney will reduce the amount of cash they put in from now on, while taking the profits from the next couple of movies.

  3. $4bn in ticket sales? thats very nearly $0 profit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    i bet all that money has evaporated somewhere to show a loss on the balance sheet seeing as Harry Potter, order of the phoenix took $612m across all formats but apparantly made a $167m loss

    http://deadline.com/2010/07/studio-shame-even-harry-potter-pic-loses-money-because-of-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting-51886/

  4. Re:Speaking of eclipses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Those links don't seem to work. Did you type them correctly?

  5. Ticket Sales != Profit by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

    No. Firstly, Ticket Sales does not equal Profit (Hollywood accounting will make very sure that "profit" looks nothing at all like reality in any case). Secondly, greed knows no bounds.

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    1. Re:Ticket Sales != Profit by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      It appears the "break even" amount for this film was 800 billion dollars.
      That is one huge marketing budget.

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  6. Re:$4bn in ticket sales? thats very nearly $0 prof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I bet all the money was processed in Ireland too. No tax, so sad.

  7. Get over yourselves by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm 50 years old. In 1977 I saw Star Wars in the theatre 13 times ("Star Wars" NOT "A New Hope").

    I bought the comics. I had the toys. I read "Splinter of the Mind's Eye." I loved everything Star Wars.

    Nevertheless.

    People need to get over themselves. These movies are not the second coming of Christ. They are *never* going to be able to live up to fanboy expectations, so let those expectations go. See the movies, have a good time, enjoy the light sabers and the Falcon but stop getting so worked up about a 2.5 hours of popcorn fun.

    1. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in my 30s.

      I barely watched the star wars movies. They have some ok parts, but mostly, it's a boredom inducing spectacle (and they killed Grievous - probably the coolest character they ever created - in a retarded way... assholes).

      The movies have almost 0 value to me.

      What I DO like about Star Wars is the Dark Forces games, the Jedi Knight games, Knights Of The Old Republic games, and, of course, the Tie Fighter/X-Wing series.

      The fun of Star Wars isn't sitting in front of a screen watching some barely coherent plot unfold before your eyes. The fun part is slicing people with a light saber, blowing stuff up and choking NPCs from a distance.

      The fun part is DOING all the cool stuff they do in the movies.

      Unfortunately, there hasn't been a decent Star Wars game for ages. The last really decent "Run around with a light saber and chop people up" game was Jedi Academy, and that thing is practically ancient history. It was amazing back in the da but I wish there was something, you know, better.

    2. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last game that I played was Jedi Knight II. Half of the servers EMPTIED when they fixed the light saber glitch. This was like '02. You know, the glitch where you are in medium stance and try to strike and hit some other key two or three times really quickly, so it acts like a parachute when you're in midair. You could use it to interrupt a jump (mostly useless) or if you had your light saber set right and someone force choked you over the edge, you could whish-whish-whish-whish-whish at like a 45 degreee angle to some invisible ledge and then take out an RPG and hit the guy who was REALLY annoyed that you just did that. And then you'd either be stuck on the ledge, or he would come back and figure out some way to hit you just in the right way that instead of him getting the point, you'd bounce off the wall and suicide.

    3. Re:Get over yourselves by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the plot that got me, it was the really bad (tactics/physics/etc) space battles. Star Wars practically defined impressive space battles. The latest one was... horrible. In ways avoided by earlier movies. Everything was done in 2D with spaceships effected by gravity. Dramatic concluding explosion with no forewarning that changed the in universe physics. The way that the bombs were released (in terms of the interior of the ship) made no sense.

      Also, some of the "jokes" they threw into the dialog... but bad dialogue is at least tradition.

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    4. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're bothered by unrealistic gravity (which I read as just using the internal gravity generators of the bomber to launch the bombs) and the series finally confronting the really obvious idea that FTL can be used as a weapon - but not the X-Wings flying like airplanes, sound in space, moon-sized space stations, and capital ships that move as if they're in an ocean?

      Really?

    5. Re:Get over yourselves by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      unrealistic gravity

      I actually meant the really horrific effect that the ships slowed down and listed/dipped (in the same direction!) as they were disabled. I don't really care about the bombs. I assume that they were just actively pushed down.

      the series finally confronting the really obvious idea that FTL can be used as a weapon

      Yeah, in a stupid way that was unnecessarily delayed (wait until 2 other capital ships are destroyed and like 1/2 the small escape pods). And there are no hyperspace torpedoes. Or otherwise weaponized versions. Better to just say "it's impossible cause of BS reason" than open a can of worms that badly.

      X-Wings flying like airplanes

      You mean in three dimensions? Or the wings? Cause the wings thing doesn't bother me (seems like a fine way to spread your weapons out.) Or... I'm actually not sure what you're complaining about..

      sound in space

      Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Cause, you know, movie SFX. It's not like there was a major plot point that hinged on hearing in space.

      moon-sized space stations

      I have 0 problems with that. Absent the prohibitive cost, I'm not sure of the issues.

      capital ships that move as if they're in an ocean

      I don't remember that being a big issue in the first three movies. But it certainly was an issue here.

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    6. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50 years old and all you care about is the pew-pew-pew?

      There's a reason you saw Star Wars in the theater 13 times in one year and you will be hard pressed to see The Last Jedi 13 times in the rest of your life.

    7. Re:Get over yourselves by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      There's a reason you saw Star Wars in the theater 13 times in one year and you will be hard pressed to see The Last Jedi 13 times in the rest of your life.

      Yes. In 1977 I was 10 years old.

    8. Re:Get over yourselves by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I put away 24 viewings of star wars in 18 weeks when i was 17.

      Now I've put away viewing of star wars for as long as they continue in this direction.

      Restart from this dystopic mirror universe kelvin star wars and return to the extended universe version.

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    9. Re:Get over yourselves by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      And what I'm saying is- if this movie was good, I'd be seeing it a dozen times over the next couple months in my 50's.

      But crap is crap.

      If anything- I'm hoping for early onset senility so I can forget this.

      Fortunately, recent memories go first while long term memories stick around longer.

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    10. Re:Get over yourselves by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      Now...
      How did the bombers suddenly appear next to the lead ship without being noticed?

      Cloaked?

      Okay- so the First Order has anti cloaking technology but doesn't use it when they are in battle.

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      Looking at the rest... the bombs were rendered with gravity. it was dumb.
      The bombers were like tissue paper compared to B-52's. Bombers are normally built tough. That's their role- to slowly approach the enemy and then drop bombs.

      Tho to be honest- lack of missiles after 20 years of technological advance is a bit meh. It's like making a movie in the 2015's where the plot depends on the characters not being able to be able to get in touch with each other with.. cell phones.

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      They didn't address why the first order didn't pull in any other ships to cut off the rebel fleet.
      They didn't address how the republic went from being restored after the return of the jedi to having only 3 ships left after a series of movies showing tremendous victories.
      They didn't address where snope came from after palpatine died.
      They didn't address why the first order was so powerful after repeated losses.
      They didn't address how Rose could fall so deeply in love with Finn in 18 hours.
      They didn't address why finn wasn't blown to pieces in his approach.
      They didn't address why the guns melted and then all further damage to his incredibly rickety ship (falling apart- you could put your foot thru it) ceased.
      They didn't address how the rebel fleet was faster... and so the empire could only pace it-not slowly fall behind.
      They didn't address why the empire was suddenly so scared to lose a few tie fighters when they had literally hundreds (at least 70 on each star destroyer which are like mile long air craft carriers plus whatever was on the main ship). I mean send over a few score TIE fighters, take out even one engine and then you can catch up. It was "just so".
      I'll stop here.. but man, there are multiple plot holes you could put a star destroyer thru sideways.

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      The craptastic universe trope was what I disliked most. I would dislike it if it were a new film.

      EVERYTHING YOU DO IS WRONG.

      Choose to be nice to the aliens? They are killers and you should have killed them first.
      Choose to be mean to the aliens? They were nice and going to save you from a supernova and now you die because you attacked them.

      Go on a mission? It's pointless.
      Attack and win? Really that was a loss.

      It was that part that violated the basic message of hope that was always star wars.

      I'm old and not a huge fan (saw the movies- read a half dozen books- never played the mmorg- etc.) but it's not just old people. It's not just men. You can see a wall of videos from people on Youtube of all genders and ages who really hate the film.

      It's some new dystopic film (like man of steel/batman v superman) with a star wars theme slapped over it. If it didn't have a star wars theme, it would have made Valerian look like a blockbuster.

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    11. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why the fuck would you simulate the dropping of a bomb with artificial gravity when you could just fire it like a torpedo?

      It's just another example of the stupidity of the writers and apparently the viewers.

    12. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "People need to get over themselves."

      How dumb and/or arrogant of you to say such a thing, as if you would know what I NEED.

      You sir sounds like a bullshitter!

    13. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, I have to like the movie because it says "Star Wars" somewhere on the package?

      Listen, I like logical internal consistency. That's why I like Dune and not the Dune prequel novels. You slap a label on it and expect me to like it because "Hey, it says Dune on the tin!". The complete backstory of the Dune universe as rewritten in a way that simply doesn't make sense compared to the original novels.

      No, I don't like the idea of midichlorians but they could also be retconned into the previous movies and did explain why some people are Force users and others are not. It also came from the author.

      Also, if you read Splinter of the Mind's Eye you should recall the whole thing as creepy incest after you see the second movie. Yeah, that's sort of why you need to have a general idea of where you are going before start driving.

    14. Re:Get over yourselves by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      t was that part that violated the basic message of hope that was always star wars.

      Wait, you seem to have missed that this is Act 2. They were trying to pull an Empire Which had hope but was all setbacks for the heros.

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    15. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are *never* going to be able to live up to fanboy expectations, so let those expectations go. See the movies, have a good time, enjoy the light sabers and the Falcon but stop getting so worked up about a 2.5 hours of popcorn fun.

      This is only because they refused to use the material that was in the books, in the Expanded Universe.

    16. Re:Get over yourselves by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      So, I have to like the movie because it says "Star Wars" somewhere on the package?

      No, you don't have to like the movie.

      But you do have to get over the fact that it didn't live up to your expectations. It's just a movie. If you didn't enjoy it, stop watching them and go for a walk instead.

    17. Re:Get over yourselves by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      An act two presents challenges. Things look dark.

      But they don't leave the hero a quadriplegic in a bed with all her limbs cut off with no hope of regeneration while her husband has sex in the room with the woman who cut her limbs off because it turns out the hero molested the woman's son.

      I doubt I will spend a penny on star wars I.P. the rest of my life.

      And the box office returns are showing half the audience isn't going to the film. For the first 11 days, even without adjusting for 4% inflation, TLJ has pulled in 399 million while TFA pulled in 579 million. Almost 200 million less for the first 11 days alone. With marketing costs, industry analysts say TLJ needs to pull 800 million to break even.

      After opening at 104 million (down from 119 million for TFA), it has subsequently dropped for 9 of the following 11 days. It was up 1 million one day, but down 27 million the day before that (day 10).

      When I went on day 14 at 8pm, the theater was basically empty. No one wants to rewatch this film except youtube reviewers.
      It's not popular with most the fans and the casual people who are okay with it are seeing it a second time.

      But the real stake is that merchandising orders are down 47%. Star Wars merchandise is going unsold and appearing in dollar stores (where you can pick up some nice ATAT models for a buck).

      The data's all there on MOBI and there are multiple youtubers reporting the decline now.

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      I'm so negative.. I should say what would have fixed the movie

      1) TFA didn't state that the resistance was down to 3 ships. That was a huge mistake. This film should have had a healthy republic in the background with the jedi activity being the focus but non-jedi characters being heroes too.

      2) Give Rey a real training montage (3 minutes). Hell, the ACTRESS trained more than Rey did.

      3) The Kylo/Rey story was interesting. The one good part of the movie (except for the wierd never before seen force telepathy). Kylo is an actual character with flaws who is well acted and reasonably well written. He should have absolutely broken Rey's heart in this film.

      4) Lay out the "force balances things" in big bold statements clearly for the audience. Luke: "This doesn't make sense, your power is greater than any I've ever seen. How did you get so much power?" Rey: "I don't know- I didn't know my parents". Luke: "With training, you may be one of the most powerful jedi ever."

      5) Get a basic plot mechanic to fix all the gaping plot holes you could drive a star destroyer thru sideways.
      * Why were the bombers able to magically appear right next to the main ship. No one saw them coming?
      - Instead show them coming- under heavy fire and taking heavy fire.
      - Explain why the entire bomber fleet mutineed when Poe turned off his personal Comm.
      * Think about why the ATAT would attack the big wall when it's surrounded by and set in soft rock.
      * Why can't they scan for cloaked ships?
      * Why can only one of them track things?
      * Given that only 1 ship is being tracked- why can't the hospital ship and frigate hyperspace away?
      * Why can't the rebels hyperspace away in small groups?

      6) Not have the slowest chase ever portrayed in history.

      7) Drop the entire codebreaker line.

      8) Not introduce hyperspace attacks into the films because you know now they will never use them again when logically it should be a huge focus of military development.

      9) Not kill Admiral Ackbar out of hand.

      10) Drop the "Skywalker would sacrifice his life to save his father but he'll kill his nephew at the drop of a hat.

      11) Pay for much of this by dropping the entire casino planet- we care more about horses than human slaves storyline. God what a waste of 30 minutes of screen time.

      12) Get one of the best editors in hollywood and tighten this thing up.

      13) Don't replay Hoth. Or *use* actual Hoth as the abandoned base.

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    18. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, right? I enjoyed the movie, but when they talked about bombers, I thought, "Surely they can't literally mean bombers? That makes no sense in space!"

    19. Re:Get over yourselves by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      "Surely they can't literally mean bombers? That makes no sense in space!"

      There's plenty of gravity in space. What do you think keeps the moon from flying away? And it's 250,000 miles out there.

    20. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot.

    21. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey CohibaVancouver, I have an opinion on the internet! Oh no, are you going to cry?

      captcha: whimper

    22. Re:Get over yourselves by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      This is only because they refused to use the material that was in the books, in the Expanded Universe.

      How exactly was that supposed to work, Anonymous Coward?

      The EU picks up not long after ROTJ. TFA was filmed 32 years after ROTJ.

      Would you have a scroll that is ten minutes long explaining about Grand Admiral Thrawn and Jaina and Jacen (in their late 30s)? You'd have a 50 year old force ghost Mara Jade walking around with Leia?

    23. Re:Get over yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Star Wars" NOT "A New Hope"

      You realise that is a distinction without a difference, don't you?

      In 1977 there was only one Star Wars movie, which is the one we now refer to as "A New Hope".

  8. That's nice and all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But that doesn't make these good movies.

    1. Re:That's nice and all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rogue One was boring as hell and a repeat of the previous Death Star movie and it made a billion. I guess the "Star Wars" brand is responsible for the huge ticket sales.

  9. Shit, that's almost as much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as creimer makes from one YouTube video.

  10. Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There was a whole universe of non-Lucas Star Wars that was what made it enjoyable to me. They shit all over the intricately woven story spanning dozens of authors that had been wrought over the 15ish years that Lucas had sat idle before crafting another film, and between him and now Disney, have managed to shit all over those stories such that a fictional schism is the only way to resolve it, much like with the TOS vs TNG trekkies, those who were into the FASA/Starfleet Battles Klingons and assorted races, versus those who followed TNG and company when they changed them into an almost unrecognizable race.

    For hardcore fans both of these events were slaps in the face. As I have said previously, the only real way to work around it is to boycott both universes and collaborate on new sci-fi universes owned and controlled by the fans, with restrictions/gentlemen's agreements on who does what with which characters, and on what are acceptable worldchanging events to weave into storylines. The potential is there, but for whatever reason, people seem to prefer to sheeple around the biggest assholes creative works, rather than banding together and forging their own, even if they will band together and forge derivative works of other's proprietary works to the same degree of effort.

    1. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1, Interesting

      but for whatever reason, people seem to prefer to sheeple around the biggest assholes creative works, rather than banding together and forging their own

      Because I have a life. I have a family. Kids. A job. I loved Star Wars as a kid, and enjoy it as an adult, but it's just some movies - Not a hokey religion.

      Every year I go to a Star Wars movie and enjoy AT-ATs and Chewbacca and X-Wings and everything else and then I go back to my life. I few months later I buy the Blu-Ray and my kids enjoy it again.

    2. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There was a whole universe of non-Lucas Star Wars that was what made it enjoyable to me. They shit all over the intricately woven story spanning dozens of authors that had been wrought over the 15ish years that Lucas had sat idle before crafting another film, and between him and now Disney, have managed to shit all over those stories such that a fictional schism is the only way to resolve it, much like with the TOS vs TNG trekkies, those who were into the FASA/Starfleet Battles Klingons and assorted races, versus those who followed TNG and company when they changed them into an almost unrecognizable race.

      For hardcore fans both of these events were slaps in the face. As I have said previously, the only real way to work around it is to boycott both universes and collaborate on new sci-fi universes owned and controlled by the fans, with restrictions/gentlemen's agreements on who does what with which characters, and on what are acceptable worldchanging events to weave into storylines. The potential is there, but for whatever reason, people seem to prefer to sheeple around the biggest assholes creative works, rather than banding together and forging their own, even if they will band together and forge derivative works of other's proprietary works to the same degree of effort.

      Wow.

      You seem to take make-believe stories a bit too seriously.

      Did you actually stuff "real way" into that fantastical rant? For some reason, I don't think reality intrudes too deeply into your life.

    3. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds to me like the SW expanded universe is what you really liked, not SW itself. The good news is that none of that stuff was banned or destroyed, you can still go and read it.

    4. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Don't feel bad. The new movies also shit over the old movies, their choices, their ethics, and their fundamental character traits.

      So they are not just attacking the books. (Disney pretty much just handwaved all that canon out of existence anyway.).

      Won't be getting more of my money.

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    5. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Wraithlyn · · Score: 2

      They shit all over the intricately woven story spanning dozens of authors that had been wrought over the 15ish years

      OMFG you precious entitled snowflake.

      You can still enjoy all those stories.

      The Expanded Universe was *never* the same level of canon as the films, and it would've been an idiotic decision on their part to be slavishly beholden to decades of EU stories. Do you actually think Lucas would've let new story ideas be rigidly boxed in by the EU if he had made these new films instead of Disney? Are you fucking high?

      Although George Lucas permitted the Expanded Universe to run parallel to his personal Star Wars creations, he never considered its stories to be part of his official canon.

      - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki...

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    6. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by bongey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Kathleen Kennedy's goal is to make 'The Force Is Female" , https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/def... make all future men in Star Wars weak and have Mary Sue females throughout the movies. Come on Luke Skywalker gets his ass beat by a girl who just a week later didn't even know what the force existed. Oh and she can lift more than Yoda with the force. So she is basically the most powerful Jedi after about a week.

    7. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pointing out that someone fucked up a franchise does not make them a "snowflake" or "entitled", and calling them that just makes you look like a little tosser desperate to sling an insult.

    8. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Let's be honest here. The originals had bad dialogue and average acting. Yeah the effects were ground breaking at the time but the story itself isn't original either.

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    9. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      The originals had Lucas' vision, and his ex Wife and some awesome editors to save it.

      As lucas filmed it, it was a clunky piece of crap- but it was a diamond in the rough and as a group they made it something special.

      The originals had the type of flaws every film has. Films are not reality. People rarely talk in reality like they do in films (not as quick witted for one thing- no second takes in real life either).

      I agree entirely- the originals had bad dialogue and the acting was average. But there was chemistry between the main three leads and that made up for a lot. And in the market it appeared in, it was fresh again (after a nearly 30 year break from that style of story).

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    10. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh and she can lift more than Yoda with the force.

      Yoda's power to lift heavy objects is basically unlimited, as is EVERY OTHER force user. If you'd actually payed attention to Yoda's lessons in the the original trilogy you'd understand that physical mass of an object is irrelevant to the force strength required to move it. Your only limitation is your confidence in your ability to move it. And Rei pretty full of herself, unlike Luke.

    11. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Come on Luke Skywalker gets his ass beat by a girl who just a week later didn't even know what the force existed."

      Wow, with verb tenses and grammar like that, I'd say you're a creimer sockpuppet!

    12. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You spammed this comment twice in this thread. It's not even accurate.

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    13. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not accurate? The new movies have 'girl power!' written all over them. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

      Can you imagine the royal hissy fit women would throw if Lucas walked around wearing a shirt that said "The Force is male" ?

    14. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      and it would've been an idiotic decision on their part to be slavishly beholden to decades of EU stories.

      Really? I realize that the EU stories were getting to the point of where the actors were currently aging too, but they still could have kept a lot of EU, declared the last few years of EU as non-cannon, and have kept most of it. I think that would have been a wonderful decision because then hardcore fans would have loved it all the more.

    15. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no problem with strong female leads (Leia was a great example), I have a problem with this affirmative-action shit that says we need to reverse the dynamic to rectify past injustice.

      I notice you didn't address the second point. "The Force is female" is okay but "The Force is male" would be sexist, chauvinist, misogynist?

    16. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      I notice you didn't address the second point. "The Force is female"

      That's because I don't know what you're talking about, Anonymouse Coward. I've only seen the movie once, but nevertheless I don't recall any dialogue talking about the gender of the force.

      ...and even if I did, I wouldn't care. The fact that a mythical made up fairy tale 'force' has a gender doesn't affect me, or any man, in any way. Feeling threatened as a man by something like this is ridiculous.

    17. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That's because I don't know what you're talking about, Anonymouse Coward.

      Because you didn't bother to read up the thread, where bongey posted this photo:
      https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/04/archerfilmfestival-web-img_4330_-_h_2017.jpg

      > Feeling threatened as a man by something like this is ridiculous.

      Are you invalidating my feels?

    18. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Your masculinity threatened by some humorous non-canon T-Shirts, Anonymous Coward? Unbelievable.

    19. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that... in the name of equality, I now get to tell women their "femininity is threatened" whenever they complain about an all-male cast etc. and dismiss them by saying "unbelievable."

    20. Re:Not worked up, just frustrated. by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      they still could have kept a lot of EU

      They can if they want to, EU is available to writers as a resource.

      According to Lucasfilm senior editor Jennifer Heddle, the Expanded Universe now exists as a non-canon resource for Star Wars authors, who may use any Expanded Universe subject in a new canon work, subject to approval by the Lucasfilm Story Group. In the event an Expanded Universe subject is referenced in a new canon work, that subject becomes official canon once again.

      (Same link as above)

      I would love to see more EU stuff. I understand Thrawn has shown up in one of the animated series, I hope we see more of him.

      But allowing themselves the flexibility to pick and choose what they want from the EU is the only sane choice.

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  11. Re:$4bn in ticket sales? thats very nearly $0 prof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll never know how much is spent on advertising for these Star War movies. But my expectation is 10 digits...

  12. They're coasting on fumes by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    it won't last forever. Eventually the mediocrity will catch up to them and folks just won't care. Did you see all those ads they did encoraging parents to share star wars with their kids? That was desperation. The product couldn't stand on it's own without nostalgia. When those kids grow up in 10 years and are movie going teenagers their remember star wars as that funny little movie dad liked.

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    1. Re:They're coasting on fumes by mlyle · · Score: 1

      The product isn't bad. I've enjoyed the movies, and I was never a Star Wars dork growing up.

      And believe me, for my 8 and 6 year old, and the kids in their class, they are anything but "that funny little movie dad liked." Ditto for their older cousins.

    2. Re:They're coasting on fumes by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Oh, c'mon! You think the occasional stinker (even if this was, I don't know, the numbers speak more loudly than the critics) is going to cause a panic in the boardroom? I doubt the new tax bill eliminated those deductions...

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    3. Re:They're coasting on fumes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've already reached that point - I'm going to wait to rent the latest Star Wars. Disney's attempt to "extort" more money out of theatre owners pissed me off and revealed them for what they really are - greedy SOB's (as if I needed even more evidence). I plan on staying away from their streaming service too, whenever that comes out.

    4. Re:They're coasting on fumes by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I thnk of tihs movie as the "Batman vs. Superman" step.

      I won't be paying for the next movie unless my friends see it first and are raving about it.

      This was a terrible movie.

      Bad pacing, editing, meaningless storylines, change to a craptastic universe (where every choice you make is wrong), bad writing.

      The acting was decent.
      The look and feel was good.

      It reminds me of the DCU and the Kelven Star Trek lines.

      It destroys a ton of existing extended universe canon and even effectively destroys a fair amount of "movie only" canon.

      Basically, if it wasn't Star Wars- it would have been a bomb.

      It's down to 51% on RT and even the critical rating is dropping now that critics who had to pay to see the film and didn't have early access are weighing in which means they are almost all negative.

      I went the day after christmas. The theater parking lot was packed. We had 15 people in the star wars showing at 8pm. Everyone was seeing other films.

      I won't be seeing the next films unless my friends are raving about what a good movie it is. Notably, no one had anything good to say about it.

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    5. Re:They're coasting on fumes by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But some General and Vice Admiral got to lecture the audience and cast.
      The really bad casino people and freedom for the "horses".
      Can an entire franchise be supported by more and more virtue signalling?

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    6. Re: They're coasting on fumes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rent? You have video hire shops?
      They all died around here when Netflix came.
      Strong in the force is Netflix. Bring balance to the evil MPAA it will. Yeeees.

    7. Re:They're coasting on fumes by Time_Ngler · · Score: 1

      Explain Transformers, then.

    8. Re: They're coasting on fumes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can rent movies online now through a variety of services like Google Play, XBox, and Amazon Video.

    9. Re:They're coasting on fumes by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      How quickly you forget the original trilogy. It's always been the evil faceless Storm Troopers, the cute and native Ewoks struggling against the technologically advanced invaders, the immortal bounty hunter and slave owner getting their just rewards...

      Anyway, those scenes served an important purpose. They set up the last film, the new rebellion made up of the oppressed who can see the injustice around them.

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    10. Re:They're coasting on fumes by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      But some General and Vice Admiral got to lecture the audience and cast.

      As opposed to a puppet?

      The really bad casino people and freedom for the "horses".

      Yeah the whole casino sequence sucked. It really was the weakest bit of the film by far.

      Can an entire franchise be supported by more and more virtue signalling?

      Oh looks like you're virtue signalling to the anti-SJW crowd about how you hate all the right things. Does the reflected virtue fillyou with warmth?

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    11. Re:They're coasting on fumes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the universe would have gone differently after "return of the jedi"
      then Organa would probably be running a composting farm for poop from
      the dinosaur seen in the "sleepy-head awakens" movie?
      "it's the berries, dummy"

    12. Re:They're coasting on fumes by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      It destroys a ton of existing extended universe canon and even effectively destroys a fair amount of "movie only" canon.

      Are you talking about The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi? Because it was The Force Awakens that destroyed the EU.

  13. Re:Speaking of eclipses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    watch more nasa tv. they broadcast iss 24/7. tell this to your friend trump, too.
    tell him california was burning all autumn, why does he want more global warming!?

  14. Re:On midichlorians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    HUGE misconception and misunderstanding:

    [Deluded defense of deus ex machina BULLSHIT redacted]

    Deus ex machina BULLSHIT is still BULLSHIT.

    Yes - midichlorians are a BULLSHIT deus ex machina contraption that solves nothing. Worse, they reduce the entire struggle in the Star Wars universe to a pissing contest between the genetically-chosen few.

    Yoda's instruction of Luke in The Empire Strikes Back shows where this could have gone.

    Instead Lucas reduced his universe to a series of conflicts between genetically-endowed Übermensch, no better in concept than Highlander II: The Quickening.

  15. I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by sandbagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Last Jedi apparently died in Return of the Jedi.

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    1. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      These Disney Star Wars films are so focus group tested they've lost anything that made them special. Just like the recent Marvel movies, so incredibly tuned to maximize revenue across the widest cross section of people, they've become ... boring.

    2. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      No, not like the recent marvel films.

      More in common with Kelvin star trek and DCU movies.

      Marvel is very popular with the fans with consistently high audience ratings on all RT, MC, IMDB, and CinemaScore.

      And, it's also pretty good to excellent with critics.

      The critical ratings (and delay of ratings) for DCU movies and the critical ratings for the last jedi have me deeply suspicious that with a 500+ million dollar marketing revenue and the carrot of early access to the movie (and hence Youtube revenue) that the large corporations have coopted the critical reviewing community.

      I only trust reviews made after the movie opens by critics who paid to see the film now.

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    3. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't seen the Last Jedi yet, but what I have been waiting for the franchise to deliver is on the prophesy of the "one that brings balance to the force." Anakin clearly wasn't it. I'd like that to be the mythical, uplifting backbone of the series, but that's just me.

    4. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > prophesy of the "one that brings balance to the force." Anakin clearly wasn't it.

      Unless the Force was tilted toward the light sight during the heyday of the Jedi and the Old Republic?

      Anakin balanced it with a heaping helping of dark side!

    5. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      The Last Jedi apparently died in Return of the Jedi.

      I was watching Return of the Jedi with my six year old last night, and something that stuck out to me was when Yoda declared Luke the last Jedi. So if you take the phrase "the last Jedi" as a title then the movie title The Last Jedi works as a way to say "Luke Skywalkers Movie."

    6. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the issue is regarding objective vs subjective reviews. Professional reviewers are more likely to be objective. I know of plenty of reviewers that aren't but they are a minority. An objective review will not take fandom into account. Only some consideration will be given from previous films. An objective reviewer will not necessarily take into account all the questions from a previous film in the same franchise. On the other hand, a fan (and therefore subjective reviewer), will go into a new film in a series with a hundred questions from the previous film. Reys parentage, Snoaks back story, what Luke did to Ben Solo, etc.

      I enjoyed the Last Jedi. I think the professional reviews overblow it slightly but not by a huge amount. For me there were story elements that didn't really make enough sense and were too contrived, mainly to allow the various character side stories to take place. On the other hand, I agree that there are many questions not yet answered, some probably won't be. Snoak now appears to be substantially less important than previously expected. Reys parentage not appears to have been irrelevant. I actually don't mind. I don't want this trilogy to be a repeat of the original stories. We already had too many similarities between a New Hope and the Force Awakens. The last thing I want to see is a story too similar to the Empire Strikes Back. I'm glad that Snoak is not going to turn into this trilogies 'emperor'. I'm also very tired of listening to comments on why the physics don't make sense (mines should drop) in a universe that has never been particularly scientifically accurate except when it suites the story.

    7. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't be a repeat of the first stories.

      To be satisfying, it should be the conclusion of the epic trilogy of trilogies.

      I.e.
      1 hero
      2 hero shows flaws
      3 hero fails
      4 new hero
      5 hero fails- low point of the entire story.
      6 new hero redeems himself- back to 4 but with rising action/hope
      7 new hero- things get better
      8 new hero- failure things get worse but not as bad as 5.
      9 resolution of the story, delivery of the epic's message. back to 1 or almost back to 1 (perhaps with insight as to why 1 wasn't perfect and now things are more mature).

      This story takes a left turn at 7. After 8, there is *no way* to come to a reasonable conclusion by 9.

      it only makes sense structurally if there are going to be 5 trilogies.

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    8. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I would guess that the Marvel movies do well with the fans that still go to see them, as everyone else has tuned them out by now. They've got the formula finely tuned now - the people who were bored by them stopped going years ago, leaving just the hardcore fanbase.

      With Disney's plan to crank out Star Wars movies at a rate of 1 per year, perhaps the Star Wars franchise will suffer the same fate. As long as they can crank out safe, derivative Star Wars movies for less than they'll bring in from their dedicated fanbase, they'll keep doing it.

    9. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well, in the prequels, you got the bit about how there's always two Sith, a master and apprentice. They didn't say it, but with all the talk about balance, that implies there should be only be two Jedi also. So at the end of the prequels, we got just that - all the Jedi were gone except Obi-wan and Yoda, and we had two dark-side users, Palpatine and Vader. After this, it seems that things tend to head to this equilibrium. If it's too out of whack, the force will even go so far as creating powerful force users out of seemingly nowhere (see: Snoke and Rey) to bring the balance back.

      That's one of things I wondered about Luke in the latest movie. It's almost like he realized that so long as there are Jedi around, there will always be powerful darkside users around to create balance, and if there's not, the force will just create new ones until the balance is once again restored. He thus realizes it's a fight they cannot ever win, but by not playing (no more Jedi) then perhaps the force will end up balanced with no corresponding strong darkside users. This kind of makes sense from Luke's perspective - he saw that Obi-wan knew he had to get out of the way for Luke to become a Jedi. And then once Yoda was gone, the balance was upset with the result being the dark side in Vader was weakened enough that he was able to turn him back.

      The next movie will be interesting just to see if this theory holds.

    10. Re:I never thought I'd say it but I miss Jar Jar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking about the balance as something within a single force user, merging the light and dark path into one individual ((g)ray path ;)) and making him or her a whole person and so enable resemblance of whole human experience with its emotional scale. This walker of the gray path could use the both sides of the force with full potential, without submitting to either side. It would be the next evolution of life taking control the force instead of it taking control of its users.

  16. The expanded universe still exists. by Lallander · · Score: 2

    If the recent movies have left you dissatisfied go check out some of the novels from the expanded universe. The new movies may ignore them, but they still exist. Some of them are absolutely fantastic. Maybe some day we'll see them made into films. We can hope at least.

    1. Re:The expanded universe still exists. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      The Admiral Thrawn books by Zahn were simply spectacular.

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    2. Re:The expanded universe still exists. by fox171171 · · Score: 1

      If the recent movies have left you dissatisfied go check out some of the novels from the expanded universe.

      There were a few stinkers in the Expanded Universe, but I really enjoyed the majority of the novels.

  17. Ticket revenue splits by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    or the fact that Disney splits box-office grosses with theater owners.

    How many times have I read that the reason for the very high food prices is that the theaters don't get keep revenue from the ticket sales? Is this not true? Have we been lied to and the reason the food prices are so high is simply that people will pay the absurd prices?

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    1. Re:Ticket revenue splits by pots · · Score: 1

      The revenue split is complicated. Studios take something like 90% of tickets sales for the first week, 80% for the second, etc. (I don't know the actual numbers, but it's something like this). I've been told that it averages out to something like a 50/50 split most of the time, but Disney has leveraged their position to force theaters to agree to something closer to a 60/40 split in some cases.

      This is one of the criticisms of the Disney/Fox merger, incidentally. It would give Disney control of roughly 40% of the film industry, and allow them to do a lot more of that sort of thing.

    2. Re:Ticket revenue splits by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Also the theater gets to take their operating costs, the "House Nut" (their term, go google it), from the gross receipts before the split is calculated. So the studio gets a cut of the net profits, not total ticket sales.

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    3. Re:Ticket revenue splits by magarity · · Score: 1

      or the fact that Disney splits box-office grosses with theater owners.

      How many times have I read that the reason for the very high food prices is that the theaters don't get keep revenue from the ticket sales? Is this not true? Have we been lied to and the reason the food prices are so high is simply that people will pay the absurd prices?

      As an example, Regal Cinemas: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/e...
      Admissions (ticket sales) was $1,454M while Film Rental was $785M. So out of ticket sales, they kept slightly less than half. Concessions was "only" $553M. But the whole business, after all the expenses, made $175M. On $2,158M total revenues that's just 8%. So, yes, theatres turn a profit but at 8% they aren't exactly fleecing viewers with absurd prices.

    4. Re:Ticket revenue splits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the business might have reported $175M in profits, that is AFTER paying salaries and bonuses to upper management. AFTER deducting any possible corporate jet costs.

      With incoming revenue of $1454+$553 M and film rental of $785M that leaves $1222M for other costs (land rental + cost of maintenance + salaries etc.) Let me assure you that a large part of that 1222 went into corporate upper-management salaries/bonuses and perks. Don't believe all those sob stories of companies not making profits.

    5. Re:Ticket revenue splits by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      That deal isn't as good as it seems.

      The day after christmas, with a parking lot full of cars, the 8pm showing of TLJ was practically empty.

      Essentially Disney puts the movie in so many theaters that everyone who wants to see it, sees it the first few days.

      This movie has zero reviewing potential among half the audience (they hate it), zero reviewing potential among another quarter to a third of the audience (they are casual and just don't care), and apparently 3-4 reviewings among youtube reviewers and 1-3 viewings from people who liked it.

      It's box office dropped 78% in one week. That's some kind of record.

      So theaters will get 50% of nothing and 10% of the first week.

      So they need the food sales.

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    6. Re:Ticket revenue splits by pots · · Score: 1

      Yeah the big blockbusters aren't the real money-makers for theaters, as I understand it. Because of the week-by-week nature of the revenue split, it's the sleeper hits that do really well for them. I've been told that There's Something About Mary saved a lot of franchises, thanks to its longevity.

      I keep saying "I'm told" or "I've heard" - I'm getting all of this from a hazy memory of a conversation that I had with a friend of mine who worked as a projectionist. I'm just hedging in case someone comes along to correct me: I am not claiming expertise.

  18. ABC helps by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Of Course, the fact that they have ABC to pitch SW in just about every show and segment doesn't hurt....

    1. Re:ABC helps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all that marketing money going out one pocket and into another of the same pants.... that's how disney makes extra profit while sinking the books on the actual production.

    2. Re:ABC helps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of Course, the fact that they have ABC to pitch SW in just about every show and segment doesn't hurt....

      And that's fine. If you think about it, the kind of people that are dumb enough to sit around watching shows on ABC are probably also dumb enough watch a Disney Star Wars movie.

  19. The message of the last movie by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    The key message of the last movie was the violent young white man learned the lessons of the brave older white women in the end. He was enlightened.

    1. Re:The message of the last movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Star Wars movie, where a young pilot learns a life lesson from Princess Leia...sounds shocking.

    2. Re:The message of the last movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Star Wars movie, where a young pilot learns a life lesson from Princess Leia...sounds shocking.

      I thought he was referring to Laura Dern.

  20. Star Wars: The Worst Kind Of Franchise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Star Wars is only relevant because it's Star Wars. That's it. It's middling at best.

    How much longer will we deny the fact that Empire is all there is? I didn't want to admit it to myself. History has proven Empire wasn't so much part of an excellent *series* as it was part of excellent resurgence in cinema of the late 70s early 80s, which gave us stone cold classics like Empire, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Blade Runner, E.T.

    Bottom line: I have felt completely gipped leaving the theatre after episodes 1,2,3,6,7,8. I can't stop slamming my fingers in the doorjamb, it seems.

  21. Re: On midichlorians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gonna put my penis in your butt now

  22. Re:On midichlorians by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Troll

    Some people have argued (especially most of the movie journalists) that the Midichlorian thing ruined the "Force" concept. They said that it took away the mystisism and the whole magic. This is not the case! These people and I'm sure most people in general didn't understand what the Midichlorians were all about. The magic and the mystic setting of the Force has not been diminished one bit. The whole issue has actually been brought to a more detailed level that makes us understand how the whole thing works. Lets continue...

    Dude, you need to get laid.

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  23. but.. but.. but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i thought films were slumping at the box office and pirates were 'stealing" movie company profits?!?!

  24. What are the great one liners... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...from the new movies?

    Star Wars and Empire are incredibly quotable, the dialogue is part of pop culture. Nothing I've seen from any of the new stuff bears repeating.

  25. just like the star trek reboots by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    I imagine there will be a huge splash and a instant halt with the modern take on interesting movies meshed with modern visual and audio noise that tires easily

    I just cant stand any modern action movie, its just an assult of noise on every sense the medium allows, and there's nothing to take away form it other than how shit the local cinema's sound system is along with low FPS flickery blury shit video

    1. Re:just like the star trek reboots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine there will be a huge splash and a instant halt with the modern take on interesting movies meshed with modern visual and audio noise that tires easily

      I just cant stand any modern action movie, its just an assult of noise on every sense the medium allows, and there's nothing to take away form it other than how shit the local cinema's sound system is along with low FPS flickery blury shit video

      I don't really understand what the fuck your saying.
      I think I probably agree with you though.

  26. Re:On midichlorians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can think of a few reasons why he's not getting laid enough.

  27. Re:$4bn in ticket sales? thats very nearly $0 prof by hey! · · Score: 1

    Most of the money in the franchise is in toy licensing.

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  28. Re:On midichlorians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not enough midichlorians in his bloodstream, perhaps?

  29. Re:On midichlorians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The dude sounds like a closet phrenologist. Maybe he needs to get laid, but nobody deserves the job of getting him there.

  30. Grumpy cat = porg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder, just how original are the 'porgs'?

    Is it maybe entirely coincidental that a frowny porg looks like grumpy cat? I don't think so.

  31. LUCAS'S WIFE ONLY RECUT ONE SCENE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This rumor that has been spread online about A New Hope being some disaster, that was only saved by Marcia Lucas coming to the rescue and re-editing into a classic film is FALSE.

    As Lucas was shooting the film in England and Tunisia, an assembly edit was done by an editor. Lucas didn't get to see it, as he was shooting every day and seeing only dailies at night. That was typical of film making in those days, as the film had to go to a lab and be processed before it could be seen or cut. When shooting was done, Lucas was shocked to see the initial editor had cut the material in a very different way from what he intended. He went out and hired Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew to work on re-cutting the reels to HIS specifications. As some time had been lost with the assembly edit having to be thrown out, they were getting close to the end of the schedule. Lucas edited a portion of the film himself, though he didn't take a credit for it, and he asked his wife, who was an editor he trusted, to come in and help out with the last reel. Hirsch and Chew, who he also trusted, were too busy to get to it at that point. Marcia Lucas edited a large portion of the final space battle. Her edit was based on an edit Lucas had put together himself for ILM, using WWII fighter plane footage, to map out the battle shot by shot. That is the only part of the film she worked on. The film, although difficult to make, was never almost a disaster. That is an urban legend, that started when people were hating on old George for the prequels, and looking for a reason to say the same guy couldn't have possibly made the first trilogy. But hey, the same guy who made the Godfather I and II, also made The Godfather III. Artists get older and change. You can't make SW of GF by accident. You have to have the vision. Stop spreading this foolish urban legend. End rant.

  32. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Milk that goyim nostalgia until no fond memory is left untainted.

  33. Smoking by Max_W · · Score: 1

    Cigarettes are also popular, bring a lot of money to their creators, but it does not mean that they are good.

    I did not see this particular Star War movie, but i doubt that it is a cinematographic art. Frankly, I think it is a set of dorky cliches for kind of naive children and adults.

    I may be wrong, but it is my impression.

  34. SJW Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A new meme for snowflakes is born as the franchise dies

  35. Duh, it's profitable by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

    Repeat what Mark Hamill said.... A good movie isn't one because of it's content but rather from it's box office profits.

    God has blessed that man. In the future he is going to make millions for a days work just by being a force Ghost.

  36. Why even bother discussing this crap by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 1

    Disney has minted additional money from lucrative ancillary revenue streams

    Disney is a huge toy company that uses really expensive movies to promote their stuff. The Porg creature is a good example, how much money they are going to make from this character alone.

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  37. Re:Speaking of eclipses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Fire is hot, it must be caused by glowball warming!"

    The fires in California are for three reasons. One, modern humans love to suppress fires because, you know, they burn stuff. Two, wildfires also burn up the "fuel" on the ground, dead wood and leaves and stuff, so there is a lot more unburned fuel for later fires when you put them out. Three, the Santa Ana winds are really good at providing fresh air to give the fires more oxygen. You know, like how a blacksmith bellows works?

    Now you have all three parts of the fire triangle, heat (just needs a little spark like some asshole flicking his cigarette butt out the car window because he's too fucking lazy to empty an ashtray), fuel (lots of crap on the ground, plus even though they were banned years ago, there are probably still a lot of wood shingle roofs out there), and oxygen (winds).

    No climate bullshit needed. Just keep putting out fires year after year until there's enough flammable crap on the ground to make the fire too big to put out.

  38. Re:Star Wars: The Worst Kind Of Franchise by Megane · · Score: 1

    Bottom line: I have felt completely gipped leaving the theatre after episodes 1,2,3,6,7,8.

    I didn't. Oh, wait, that's because I never watched any of them. When Episode 1 came out, I waited, saw what people were saying about it, then didn't go. Most of what I know about Episode 1, I learned from that Weird Al song. No Jar Jar, no annoying little kid, no recycled "it's yet another death star all over again" plots, no SJW bullshit. I've heard that 2 and 3 weren't as bad as 1, but I'll pass.

    I still like the original trilogy, but mostly the first movie, which is rough but fun. And I don't go out of my way to re-watch it.

    I also gave up on Star Trek with not watching the "reboot" of a few years ago (I'm still cool with ZQ as Spock), but I had stopped watching that long before, back when UPN meant that I could only see it if I signed up for cable TV (I became a cord cutter back in 2001), because the only UPN station was in the next market over, just out of antenna range.

    At least The Orville is coming back for another season. Time to put a bigger hard drive in my MythTV.

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  39. Translated by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    While an interesting benchmark, it doesn't, of course, account for the hundreds of millions spent to produce and market the trio of films, or the fact that Disney splits box-office grosses with theater owners.

    In other words, nebulously defined value passes arbitrary round figure; no actual story here.

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  40. Pointless Metric "$4 Billion" by Neuroelectronic · · Score: 1

    Last Jedi has grossed ~$360m at this point, $220m opening weekend so 140 since then. i.e. ticket sales are decelerating so fast they might not even hit $500m. This has been a flop, financially.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/w...

  41. Re:On midichlorians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He spends too much time sucking dicks at Apple HQ?

  42. He should have charged more. by jason777 · · Score: 1

    I always thought that George Lucas should have asked for a couple billion more. Why did he sell so low?

    1. Re:He should have charged more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucas wanted to avoid taxes, and so sold when he did. How many people have enough money to purchase starwars? Star wars hadn't made a movie in a long time, there was some risk to it.

  43. Might be downhill from here by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    The Last Jedi sucked. It really sucked bad in every way. The entire mythos has been ruined. All the characters I cared about have been ruined. And the new feminist crapfest has not come up with anything compelling.

    I have watched every Star Wars, in theaters, since the first Star Wars in 1977. I doubt I will every watch another. I don't care what happens any more.

    1. Re:Might be downhill from here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have watched every Star Wars, in theaters, since the first Star Wars in 1977. I doubt I will every watch another. I don't care what happens any more.

      Same here, and since we know Leia is going to die (or disappear, only appearing via footage already shot) and Han is dead, what's left to see in Episode IX? Chewie growling and a fanservice glimpse of C3PO and R2? Luke as a Force Ghost?

      Sorry, but Fin, Poe, Rey and Kylo Ren are not interesting enough to bring me back for another film.

  44. Re:Star Wars: The Worst Kind Of Franchise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I have felt completely gipped"
    "Gipped" is a racial slur against gypsies. I stopped using that word when I learned this.

  45. Re:Star Wars: The Worst Kind Of Franchise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > "Gipped" is a racial slur against gypsies. I stopped using that word when I learned this.

    "Gypsies" is a racial slur against the Roma. I stopped using that word when I learned this.

  46. Ticket sales are only 1/5th the take... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will make a fortune on toys, franchising deals, Happy Meals, and they will continue to use and expand their starwars experience at theme parks to draw in park goers who will pay $$$$$$ to get into those parks to see StarWars stuff. Not everybody can stomach disney princesses for more than a couple visits. StarWars is timeless.

  47. Re:On midichlorians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes - midichlorians are a BULLSHIT deus ex machina contraption that solves nothing.

    I don't think "deus ex machina" means what you think it means. If the midichlorians had somehow saved our heroes from nowhere, that would make sense.

    What they are is retcon.

  48. Re:On midichlorians by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    > I don't think "deus ex machina" means what you think it means

    He is using it properly. Although it's typical usage is a system to solve plots, that is not its only use, and today it basically means anything that you pull out of your ass and stick in the story.

    > What they are is retcon.

    I can be more than one thing.

  49. Re:On midichlorians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is using it properly. Although it's typical usage is a system to solve plots, that is not its only use, and today it basically means anything that you pull out of your ass and stick in the story.

    Then the term has been corrupted by people who have used it without understanding it, so it's now effectively useless.

    I can be more than one thing.

    Can you be an alien space bat?

  50. Best thing about Disney Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that they brought appreciation to the prequel trilogy. It really takes something powerful to make me nostalgic about THAT.